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2013-06-01 12:43:09 PM  
His leaving is why I stopped watching the show.  Last episode I watched was the last one he was involved with.
 
2013-06-01 12:51:20 PM  
Nope.
 
2013-06-01 01:13:16 PM  
Who else read that as 'rectum'?
 
2013-06-01 02:22:12 PM  
Um, my anti-virus kicked in when I tried to click the link.  "Phishing URL".  I don't know what that means, just saying.
 
2013-06-01 02:24:40 PM  
No.  Nothing can save it now.
 
2013-06-01 02:33:56 PM  
With him taking a year of, Sony executives maybe giving him a bit more control, and no Chevy antics to distract him, it could turn out really great.  Or terrible.
 
2013-06-01 02:42:38 PM  
I've always liked Community. I still watch it, and enjoy it. But it should've been cancelled last season. Not anything to do with Harmon or Chase or any of that drama. It's just run its course.
 
2013-06-01 02:59:25 PM  
I thought last season was enjoyable. I try not to overanalyze a show, it can just take all of the fun out.

I'm happy to hear Harmon is coming back though, the first three seasons were very solid. Is it five seasons that are needed for syndication deals usually? This would be five, so hopefully it can live past this one.
 
2013-06-01 03:11:10 PM  
Awesome! Love this show.
 
2013-06-01 04:35:41 PM  
So glad he's back. Last season was just off. There were a few bright spots, but it just felt like they were trying too hard and failing. The finale especially showed this, because they somehow managed to bring back the darkest timeline AND paintball and somehow it wound up being painfully unfunny. It was like a Stepford Wife of the show.
 
2013-06-01 04:37:10 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I thought last season was enjoyable. I try not to overanalyze a show, it can just take all of the fun out.

I'm happy to hear Harmon is coming back though, the first three seasons were very solid. Is it five seasons that are needed for syndication deals usually? This would be five, so hopefully it can live past this one.


My Name Is Earl is syndicated on TBS, and it only ran four seasons.
 
2013-06-01 04:40:49 PM  
Now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder if Harmon will reset things by explaining that last season was a "wrong" timeline.
 
2013-06-01 05:34:33 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: TuteTibiImperes: I thought last season was enjoyable. I try not to overanalyze a show, it can just take all of the fun out.

I'm happy to hear Harmon is coming back though, the first three seasons were very solid. Is it five seasons that are needed for syndication deals usually? This would be five, so hopefully it can live past this one.

My Name Is Earl is syndicated on TBS, and it only ran four seasons.


Isn't that they don't go by seasons but they go by the number of episodes and so many episodes have to be made before it gets syndicated?
 
2013-06-01 05:36:44 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: TuteTibiImperes: I thought last season was enjoyable. I try not to overanalyze a show, it can just take all of the fun out.

I'm happy to hear Harmon is coming back though, the first three seasons were very solid. Is it five seasons that are needed for syndication deals usually? This would be five, so hopefully it can live past this one.

My Name Is Earl is syndicated on TBS, and it only ran four seasons.


Isn't it 100 episodes? Community's short seasons might have affected that.

Anyway, I hope his return works out. After this season I'm having trouble remembering why I even like the show.
 
2013-06-01 05:39:40 PM  
I hope his return works out, but I really don't think the last season would've been much better even with him on board.  At best, there wouldn't have been any of the awkward growing pains that was the first half of the season.
 
2013-06-01 05:41:22 PM  

A Terrible Human: AdolfOliverPanties: TuteTibiImperes: I thought last season was enjoyable. I try not to overanalyze a show, it can just take all of the fun out.

I'm happy to hear Harmon is coming back though, the first three seasons were very solid. Is it five seasons that are needed for syndication deals usually? This would be five, so hopefully it can live past this one.

My Name Is Earl is syndicated on TBS, and it only ran four seasons.

Isn't that they don't go by seasons but they go by the number of episodes and so many episodes have to be made before it gets syndicated?


It used to be 100 episodes for local affiliates (FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS), but with the explosion of cable channels they can syndicate whatever they want.  Hell, Firefly was in syndication on Sci-Fi and it only had 12 episodes.
 
2013-06-01 05:48:00 PM  

Lsherm: A Terrible Human: AdolfOliverPanties: TuteTibiImperes: I thought last season was enjoyable. I try not to overanalyze a show, it can just take all of the fun out.

I'm happy to hear Harmon is coming back though, the first three seasons were very solid. Is it five seasons that are needed for syndication deals usually? This would be five, so hopefully it can live past this one.

My Name Is Earl is syndicated on TBS, and it only ran four seasons.

Isn't that they don't go by seasons but they go by the number of episodes and so many episodes have to be made before it gets syndicated?

It used to be 100 episodes for local affiliates (FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS), but with the explosion of cable channels they can syndicate whatever they want.  Hell, Firefly was in syndication on Sci-Fi and it only had 12 episodes.


Firefly is kind of a weird case, since it's treated more as an event series (and earns less syndication income accordingly).

88 is usually the magic number now for stripped syndication, though even that's pretty fungible.  Community's at 84.
 
2013-06-01 05:48:09 PM  

Lsherm: A Terrible Human: AdolfOliverPanties: TuteTibiImperes: I thought last season was enjoyable. I try not to overanalyze a show, it can just take all of the fun out.

I'm happy to hear Harmon is coming back though, the first three seasons were very solid. Is it five seasons that are needed for syndication deals usually? This would be five, so hopefully it can live past this one.

My Name Is Earl is syndicated on TBS, and it only ran four seasons.

Isn't that they don't go by seasons but they go by the number of episodes and so many episodes have to be made before it gets syndicated?

It used to be 100 episodes for local affiliates (FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS), but with the explosion of cable channels they can syndicate whatever they want.  Hell, Firefly was in syndication on Sci-Fi and it only had 12 episodes.


Oh no you didn't. 12?
 
2013-06-01 05:51:24 PM  
Glad to see this, last season was pretty bad.
 
2013-06-01 06:00:19 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder if Harmon will reset things by explaining that last season was a "wrong" timeline.


TFA mentions him possibly pulling a Bobby Ewing, so who knows.
 
2013-06-01 06:01:18 PM  
outside of a few episodes, I'm also really not understanding why anyone would think Harmon had his shiat together during season 3.
 
2013-06-01 06:14:04 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: outside of a few episodes, I'm also really not understanding why anyone would think Harmon had his shiat together during season 3.


I don't understand the hate for season 3. Objectively speaking, it had just as many weak episodes as any of the other seasons and had some of the strongest.

#sixtimelinesandadice
 
2013-06-01 06:18:51 PM  

imgod2u: FeedTheCollapse: outside of a few episodes, I'm also really not understanding why anyone would think Harmon had his shiat together during season 3.

I don't understand the hate for season 3. Objectively speaking, it had just as many weak episodes as any of the other seasons and had some of the strongest.

#sixtimelinesandadice


S3 was a hell of a lot stronger than S2 was. I remember enjoying every minute of S1, then some of S2, then S3 started bad but got way way better.
 
2013-06-01 06:24:31 PM  
No.

Season 3 was the reason Season 4 was off. There was a fork. Either TPTB could have continued the Harmonesqe storytelling or walked back the Flanderization that happened in late Season 2 and all of 3. TPTB chose the latter - IMO, for the better - but it didn't capture any of the magic of Season 2. I don't think I'll bother with Season 5, because I've hung in there for 1.5 seasons and the one season got progressively worse and the .5 was meh..

And syndication only works for shows people want to watch and if the last four years are any indication I really doubt after the Comedy Central deal many networks are going to be looking at the show.

In other words, this is the darkest timeline.
 
2013-06-01 06:25:48 PM  
As long as we get MOAR CHANG. Can't get enough of Chang. Changnesia is pretty damn funny. As was Dictator Chang and Chang living in the air ducts.

Community needs changing and the solution is more Chang!
 
2013-06-01 06:32:07 PM  
Only if "Community" turns into a 30-minute Alison Brie variety show.
 
2013-06-01 06:37:26 PM  

hundreddollarman: Only if "Community" turns into a 30-minute Alison Brie variety show.


cdn.uproxx.com

Run on loop. Record ratings!
 
2013-06-01 06:38:12 PM  

imgod2u: FeedTheCollapse: outside of a few episodes, I'm also really not understanding why anyone would think Harmon had his shiat together during season 3.

I don't understand the hate for season 3. Objectively speaking, it had just as many weak episodes as any of the other seasons and had some of the strongest.

#sixtimelinesandadice


I wouldn't go that far. Season 1 pretty consistently strong, if a little slow to start. Season 2 started great, but kind of sagged in the middle when it got a little too up-its-own-ass over praise on its intelligence. Despite having some great episodes, Season 3 just kind of took a dive in the second half and ended it a bit half-heartedly.
 
2013-06-01 06:38:48 PM  
I have enjoyed every episode.

Of course, I don't overanalyze and I don't watch with commercials so that probably helps. A few unfunny minutes are no problem.
 
2013-06-01 06:39:36 PM  

imgod2u: #sixtimelinesandadice


#sixtimelinesandadie

/no such thing as "a dice"
 
2013-06-01 06:58:02 PM  
tribute:
And syndication only works for shows people want to watch and if the last four years are any indication I really doubt after the Comedy Central deal many networks are going to be looking at the show.

In other words, this is the darkest timeline.


Firefly is in syndication. I'm sure some channel will pick up Community.
 
2013-06-01 07:00:43 PM  
The only thing I enjoyed about this season of "Community" were a solid crop of Alison Brie .gifs.

She's giving you the eyes!

Evil Annie is the best Annie

Repeat: Evil Annie is the best Annie
 
2013-06-01 07:24:57 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: imgod2u: FeedTheCollapse: outside of a few episodes, I'm also really not understanding why anyone would think Harmon had his shiat together during season 3.

I don't understand the hate for season 3. Objectively speaking, it had just as many weak episodes as any of the other seasons and had some of the strongest.

#sixtimelinesandadice

I wouldn't go that far. Season 1 pretty consistently strong, if a little slow to start. Season 2 started great, but kind of sagged in the middle when it got a little too up-its-own-ass over praise on its intelligence. Despite having some great episodes, Season 3 just kind of took a dive in the second half and ended it a bit half-heartedly.


Oh really? Feast your ears on these memory pops:

1. Football episode. Aside from setting up some character progression (which got dumped within 2 episodes) it was just a drag of an episode.
2. Jeff is homeless episode. Half good (Jeff is homeless and Britta is guilted into helping), half terrible (Annie pines over Troy some more).
3. Jeff and Chang buddy episode. Ughh
4. Shirley preaches episode.
5. Troy loves dancing
6. Family Day
7. Britta Britta's a prank
8. Duh duh duh doy and Jeff tries to sleep with some annoying high school kid's mom.

I'm going to leave love triangle episode out of it because I give season finales a pass if they're not horrible.

Compare that to:

1. Chang becomes a detective. A fairly weak subplot but "No offense Todd" was a good half of that episode.
2. Abed gets into debt. Jeff narcissism is a silver lining.
3. The entirety of Annie and Abed in the Dreamatorium (although the gif that came out of the bloopers was gold).
4. 2 of the Chang takes over episodes.
5. But the group gets therapy episode was awesome.

I think people just remember season 3 as being bad because their bad episodes were almost 100% bad. Most of the weak spots in the first and second season were spread out. Each episode had its own merits as well as its annoying/boring subplots.

Season 3 featured either sheer utter brilliance (FINE: #sixtimelinesandadie, 8-bit study group) or utter failures (Chang dynasty). So the bad stands out more.
 
2013-06-01 07:27:16 PM  
I've moved on to a little show called Legit.

You've probably never heard of it.
 
2013-06-01 07:48:50 PM  
POP, POP!
 
2013-06-01 07:49:02 PM  

lovefirststool: Lsherm: A Terrible Human: AdolfOliverPanties: TuteTibiImperes: I thought last season was enjoyable. I try not to overanalyze a show, it can just take all of the fun out.

I'm happy to hear Harmon is coming back though, the first three seasons were very solid. Is it five seasons that are needed for syndication deals usually? This would be five, so hopefully it can live past this one.

My Name Is Earl is syndicated on TBS, and it only ran four seasons.

Isn't that they don't go by seasons but they go by the number of episodes and so many episodes have to be made before it gets syndicated?

It used to be 100 episodes for local affiliates (FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS), but with the explosion of cable channels they can syndicate whatever they want.  Hell, Firefly was in syndication on Sci-Fi and it only had 12 episodes.

Oh no you didn't. 12?


12, 14, whatever.
 
2013-06-01 07:53:57 PM  
30 minutes of Alison Brie in a bikini making candlesticks out of clay might save the show.  Maybe.
 
2013-06-01 07:58:43 PM  

imgod2u: FeedTheCollapse: imgod2u: FeedTheCollapse: outside of a few episodes, I'm also really not understanding why anyone would think Harmon had his shiat together during season 3.

I don't understand the hate for season 3. Objectively speaking, it had just as many weak episodes as any of the other seasons and had some of the strongest.

#sixtimelinesandadice

I wouldn't go that far. Season 1 pretty consistently strong, if a little slow to start. Season 2 started great, but kind of sagged in the middle when it got a little too up-its-own-ass over praise on its intelligence. Despite having some great episodes, Season 3 just kind of took a dive in the second half and ended it a bit half-heartedly.

Oh really? Feast your ears on these memory pops:

1. Football episode. Aside from setting up some character progression (which got dumped within 2 episodes) it was just a drag of an episode.
2. Jeff is homeless episode. Half good (Jeff is homeless and Britta is guilted into helping), half terrible (Annie pines over Troy some more).
3. Jeff and Chang buddy episode. Ughh
4. Shirley preaches episode.
5. Troy loves dancing
6. Family Day
7. Britta Britta's a prank
8. Duh duh duh doy and Jeff tries to sleep with some annoying high school kid's mom.

I'm going to leave love triangle episode out of it because I give season finales a pass if they're not horrible.

Compare that to:

1. Chang becomes a detective. A fairly weak subplot but "No offense Todd" was a good half of that episode.
2. Abed gets into debt. Jeff narcissism is a silver lining.
3. The entirety of Annie and Abed in the Dreamatorium (although the gif that came out of the bloopers was gold).
4. 2 of the Chang takes over episodes.
5. But the group gets therapy episode was awesome.

I think people just remember season 3 as being bad because their bad episodes were almost 100% bad. Most of the weak spots in the first and second season were spread out. Each episode had its own merits as well as its annoying/boring subplots.

Season 3 featured either sheer utter brilliance (FINE: #sixtimelinesandadie, 8-bit study group) or utter failures (Chang dynasty). So the bad stands out more.

 

You're going to have to redefine "objectively" because I just don't agree with you on most of that. I liked a lot of season 3 (though not as much as either season 1 or 2) but none of those episodes are ones I would choose as standout episodes from the season. In fact I like a some of the "bad" episodes you listed from season 1 a lot more than those you listed from season 3. Britta Brittaing a prank is one of my favorite episodes from that season because it has Annie and Shirley as buddy cops which was fantastic. I thought the Troy and Britta dance class episode was great as well.

So I guess you don't get the hate for season 3 because your tastes vary significantly from the people who don't like season 3.
 
2013-06-01 08:00:57 PM  

imgod2u: FeedTheCollapse: imgod2u: FeedTheCollapse: outside of a few episodes, I'm also really not understanding why anyone would think Harmon had his shiat together during season 3.

I don't understand the hate for season 3. Objectively speaking, it had just as many weak episodes as any of the other seasons and had some of the strongest.

#sixtimelinesandadice

I wouldn't go that far. Season 1 pretty consistently strong, if a little slow to start. Season 2 started great, but kind of sagged in the middle when it got a little too up-its-own-ass over praise on its intelligence. Despite having some great episodes, Season 3 just kind of took a dive in the second half and ended it a bit half-heartedly.

Oh really? Feast your ears on these memory pops:

1. Football episode. Aside from setting up some character progression (which got dumped within 2 episodes) it was just a drag of an episode.
2. Jeff is homeless episode. Half good (Jeff is homeless and Britta is guilted into helping), half terrible (Annie pines over Troy some more).
3. Jeff and Chang buddy episode. Ughh
4. Shirley preaches episode.
5. Troy loves dancing
6. Family Day
7. Britta Britta's a prank
8. Duh duh duh doy and Jeff tries to sleep with some annoying high school kid's mom.

I'm going to leave love triangle episode out of it because I give season finales a pass if they're not horrible.

Compare that to:

1. Chang becomes a detective. A fairly weak subplot but "No offense Todd" was a good half of that episode.
2. Abed gets into debt. Jeff narcissism is a silver lining.
3. The entirety of Annie and Abed in the Dreamatorium (although the gif that came out of the bloopers was gold).
4. 2 of the Chang takes over episodes.
5. But the group gets therapy episode was awesome.

I think people just remember season 3 as being bad because their bad episodes were almost 100% bad. Most of the weak spots in the first and second season were spread out. Each episode had its own merits as well as its annoying/boring subplots.

Sea ...


I didn't think any of those were bad episodes.  A 'bad' episode of Community is still better than 90% of what else is on TV.  I'd rather support a creative show like Community over yet another by the numbers CSI/police procedural clone.
 
2013-06-01 08:06:47 PM  

odinsposse: You're going to have to redefine "objectively" because I just don't agree with you on most of that. I liked a lot of season 3 (though not as much as either season 1 or 2) but none of those episodes are ones I would choose as standout episodes from the season. In fact I like a some of the "bad" episodes you listed from season 1 a lot more than those you listed from season 3. Britta Brittaing a prank is one of my favorite episodes from that season because it has Annie and Shirley as buddy cops which was fantastic. I thought the Troy and Britta dance class episode was great as well.

So I guess you don't get the hate for season 3 because your tastes vary significantly from the people who don't like season 3.


That's fair. But I will offer this challenge: list the episodes you found "bad" from each season and tally the count. Exhaustively, not just "hey, this comes to mind". I think you'll be surprised.
 
2013-06-01 08:18:37 PM  
I am hoping that he just ignores all of this past season that never happened and we get a reset to the end of the third season, except Pierce dies off-screen and everyone gets over it in like five seconds.
 
2013-06-01 08:19:56 PM  

imgod2u: odinsposse: You're going to have to redefine "objectively" because I just don't agree with you on most of that. I liked a lot of season 3 (though not as much as either season 1 or 2) but none of those episodes are ones I would choose as standout episodes from the season. In fact I like a some of the "bad" episodes you listed from season 1 a lot more than those you listed from season 3. Britta Brittaing a prank is one of my favorite episodes from that season because it has Annie and Shirley as buddy cops which was fantastic. I thought the Troy and Britta dance class episode was great as well.

So I guess you don't get the hate for season 3 because your tastes vary significantly from the people who don't like season 3.

That's fair. But I will offer this challenge: list the episodes you found "bad" from each season and tally the count. Exhaustively, not just "hey, this comes to mind". I think you'll be surprised.


As <B>TuteTibiImperes</b> said there are very few episodes of Community that I think are outright bad but almost all of them are in seasons 3 and 4. Because I'm a huge nerd I have gone though the seasons counting up which episodes I thought were great rather than just good and season 3 doesn't really measure up to seasons 1 or 2.

Also, I just remembered that the Jeff being homeless episode was also the episode with Vaughn and "Getting Rid of Britta" so I loved that as well.
 
2013-06-01 08:22:25 PM  
Also, in my view, season one of this show is kind of a charming mess, just like most comedies that end up being great to be honest (compare how It's Always Sunny is merely above-average in its first season compared to where it was even one season later, for another contemporary example). I pretty much never watch it anymore even though I have it on DVD. Season two is where the show grows the beard and season three was very good, too.
 
2013-06-01 08:33:44 PM  

odinsposse: imgod2u: odinsposse: You're going to have to redefine "objectively" because I just don't agree with you on most of that. I liked a lot of season 3 (though not as much as either season 1 or 2) but none of those episodes are ones I would choose as standout episodes from the season. In fact I like a some of the "bad" episodes you listed from season 1 a lot more than those you listed from season 3. Britta Brittaing a prank is one of my favorite episodes from that season because it has Annie and Shirley as buddy cops which was fantastic. I thought the Troy and Britta dance class episode was great as well.

So I guess you don't get the hate for season 3 because your tastes vary significantly from the people who don't like season 3.

That's fair. But I will offer this challenge: list the episodes you found "bad" from each season and tally the count. Exhaustively, not just "hey, this comes to mind". I think you'll be surprised.

As <B>TuteTibiImperes</b> said there are very few episodes of Community that I think are outright bad but almost all of them are in seasons 3 and 4. Because I'm a huge nerd I have gone though the seasons counting up which episodes I thought were great rather than just good and season 3 doesn't really measure up to seasons 1 or 2.

Also, I just remembered that the Jeff being homeless episode was also the episode with Vaughn and "Getting Rid of Britta" so I loved that as well.


I came at it from the "season 3 was pretty bad" angle. That is to say, list all of the bad parts of it. I make the claim that you can go through each season and find the same.

Listing great ones is not quite the same. It may show that seasons 1 and 2 hit the mark more often -- and I can certainly accept that. But it in no way demonstrates season 3 as some kind of Britta of seasons.
 
2013-06-01 08:49:12 PM  
The show just wasn't the same without him. I think he could bring it back to the show it still can be.
 
2013-06-01 08:58:22 PM  

Carth: tribute:
And syndication only works for shows people want to watch and if the last four years are any indication I really doubt after the Comedy Central deal many networks are going to be looking at the show.

In other words, this is the darkest timeline.

Firefly is in syndication. I'm sure some channel will pick up Community.


Yeah, a lot can be said for a cult following. Firefly is sort of a head scratcher though (if true, which I don't doubt that it is). Most of the people who they are going after probably own the DVDs (I do) so what possible reason would there be to watch? Deluded megafans who think if they watch, maybe, just maybe FOX will bring it back?

I said CC picked up Community, but the local markets - I just can't see many giving a season look. I guess Sony thinks so, so we shall see.
 
2013-06-01 09:05:03 PM  

tribute: Carth: tribute:
And syndication only works for shows people want to watch and if the last four years are any indication I really doubt after the Comedy Central deal many networks are going to be looking at the show.

In other words, this is the darkest timeline.

Firefly is in syndication. I'm sure some channel will pick up Community.

Yeah, a lot can be said for a cult following. Firefly is sort of a head scratcher though (if true, which I don't doubt that it is). Most of the people who they are going after probably own the DVDs (I do) so what possible reason would there be to watch? Deluded megafans who think if they watch, maybe, just maybe FOX will bring it back?

I said CC picked up Community, but the local markets - I just can't see many giving a season look. I guess Sony thinks so, so we shall see.


For whatever reason Community reminds me a lot of Scrubs.  Scrubs did well in syndication outside of CC, so, there's certainly a chance Community can as well.
 
2013-06-01 10:26:35 PM  
Wonder if Community will retcon the last season now that Dan is back and can we do another season 1? Not over the top but not cliche either?
 
2013-06-01 10:38:55 PM  
Let Jim Rash write/direct more episodes. Of course Dan's such a control freak asshole, I doubt that will happen.
 
2013-06-01 10:39:36 PM  
No.
 
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