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(Buzzfeed)   Army medic Nicholas Walker returned home from Iraq after 250 combat missions, traumatized and broken. His friends and family couldn't help him. Therapy couldn't help him. Heroin couldn't help him. Pulling bank heists helped him   (buzzfeed.com) divider line 138
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2013-05-31 03:22:09 PM
Being in the Army doesn't automatically mean you are a good person.
 
2013-05-31 03:30:37 PM
adrenaline is a hell of a drug
 
2013-05-31 03:38:41 PM
Was he all whacked off of Scooby Snacks?
 
2013-05-31 04:00:03 PM
That was one of the saddest things I've ever read. We (the USA) don't really serve our soldiers well after we're done using them, do we?

Glad he took responsibility and hope he is getting some obviously needed help.
 
2013-05-31 04:14:48 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Being in the Army doesn't automatically mean you are a good person.


I was in the Army.
 
2013-05-31 04:16:28 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Being in the Army doesn't automatically mean you are a good person.


Using PTSD as an excuse for your bad behavior doesn't work either
 
2013-05-31 04:16:39 PM
Guilt can express itself in an infinite number of ways.
 
2013-05-31 04:19:16 PM
Pretty sure they already made that movie.
 
2013-05-31 04:20:39 PM
Well, it's nice to see that he eventually got help.
 
2013-05-31 04:20:42 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Being in the Army doesn't automatically mean you are a good person.

I was in the Army.


yourenothelping.jpg
 
2013-05-31 04:22:46 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Being in the Army doesn't automatically mean you are a good person.

Using PTSD as an excuse for your bad behavior doesn't work either


Excuse? No.  Explanation? Absolutely.
 
2013-05-31 04:23:04 PM
"he moved nervously"

*on Prozac*? ffs.
 
2013-05-31 04:25:15 PM

humanshrapnel: Excuse? No.  Explanation? Absolutely.


"I felt like it" is an explanation as well.
 
2013-05-31 04:25:57 PM
I wonder if he'd been able to use marijuana to treat his PTSD if the outcome might have been different. Apparently Oregon just added that as a permitted condition...
 
2013-05-31 04:27:07 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Being in the Army doesn't automatically mean you are a good person.


Hey, my dad was in the Army.  He used to take me along to bars when I was little.  That right there means he's a great guy!
 
2013-05-31 04:27:51 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: adrenaline is a hell of a drug


done in two
 
2013-05-31 04:28:51 PM
MDMA would have worked better for PTSD.
 
2013-05-31 04:28:52 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Being in the Army doesn't automatically mean you are a good person.

I was in the Army.


I'm shocked!
 
2013-05-31 04:29:02 PM
If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find him, maybe you can hire...
 
2013-05-31 04:29:52 PM

humanshrapnel: Tat'dGreaser: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Being in the Army doesn't automatically mean you are a good person.

Using PTSD as an excuse for your bad behavior doesn't work either

Excuse? No.  Explanation? Absolutely.


Perhaps. Perhaps he joined the Army to escape a life of bad decisions as well. PTSD is a serious issue affecting many, but we don't often hear about the countless soldiers who come home to lead happy, crime-free lives.
 
2013-05-31 04:30:16 PM

flynn80: MDMA would have worked better for PTSD.


This. Should be prescribed.
 
2013-05-31 04:30:17 PM

Tat'dGreaser: humanshrapnel: Excuse? No.  Explanation? Absolutely.

"I felt like it" is an explanation as well.


Say that AFTER you saw the kind of shiat this guy did.
 
2013-05-31 04:30:22 PM

Kimothy: That was one of the saddest things I've ever read. We (the USA) don't really serve our soldiers well after we're done using them, do we?

Glad he took responsibility and hope he is getting some obviously needed help.

 
2013-05-31 04:30:27 PM
Just claim you're a politician from Greece and call it a day.
 
2013-05-31 04:31:00 PM
It being buzzfeed, does anyone have a link to the original, better story?
 
2013-05-31 04:31:37 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Being in the Army doesn't automatically mean you are a good person.

Using PTSD as an excuse for your bad behavior doesn't work either


What about blaming Asperger's?
60% of all internet users are self-diagnosed with it.
 
2013-05-31 04:32:30 PM
That was very sad.
 
2013-05-31 04:32:31 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Perhaps. Perhaps he joined the Army to escape a life of bad decisions as well. PTSD is a serious issue affecting many, but we don't often hear about the countless soldiers who come home to lead happy, crime-free lives.


I have one buddy who is all PTSD'd out. Jail time, ex wives yadda yadda. Everyone goes "ohh it's so sad how the government doesn't care about these guys".

I say "yea, well he was an alcoholic before he went over there"

The more you eat the more you fart: Say that AFTER you saw the kind of shiat this guy did.


I know plenty of guys who saw worse and they didn't go rob a bank and stick a gun in some women's face
 
2013-05-31 04:32:54 PM
"Jacking up banks. I can see how a fella'd derive a whole lot of pleasure and satisfaction out of it."
 
2013-05-31 04:33:14 PM
Everyone knows austerity doesn't work.
 
2013-05-31 04:33:19 PM

Begoggle: What about blaming Asperger's?
60% of all internet users are self-diagnosed with it.


Ohhhh I like the cut of your jib sir
 
2013-05-31 04:33:37 PM
Before I read the whole thing is this a person recognized for heroism or is he the "hero" because he was in combat in a combat zone?

If it's the former it may be an interesting read, if it's the latter it's really no surprise.
 
2013-05-31 04:33:53 PM
FTA:

Many veterans of America's wars never do get out. A 2010 estimate found that every day as many as 22 veterans kill themselves, many of whom suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder. More U.S. Army soldiers committed suicide in 2012, in fact, than all U.S. military personnel killed in the line of duty in Afghanistan in the same time frame. And yet for all that, veterans continue to face extreme challenges getting help when they return. Veterans Affairs offices across the country have been the subject of repeated and damning exposés detailing the shortcomings soldiers face upon returning home, including drastic time lags in receiving care, no follow-ups, and misdiagnoses. PTSD has been called by many the "signature wound" of America's wars.


   I am as anti-war as it gets....but jesus h tapdancing christ that's throwing folks under the f*cking bus....
 
2013-05-31 04:34:40 PM
Sad that people are buying his excuse. PTSD doesn't cause you to rob banks. Being a criminal assholes does
 
2013-05-31 04:35:15 PM
Can we get a "BOOK" tag for articles with more than 20K words please?  This article is a good read, but it's huge.
 
2013-05-31 04:35:20 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Being in the Army doesn't automatically mean you are a good person.


No kidding.  Lifers are like flies, they eat sh*t and bother people.
 
2013-05-31 04:36:28 PM
♫ There's a hole in daddy's arm bag where the money goes. ♫
 
2013-05-31 04:36:32 PM
My cousin got out the navy and started smacking up his wife. His father made him move to another state hoping it would help, but nope he's a stalking.
 
2013-05-31 04:37:02 PM
I read that as Army medic Nicholas Cage.
 
2013-05-31 04:39:46 PM
PTSD is wack. You know he's a good person because he only hurt himself (prob scared some other folks pretty good though) during his breakdown. Once life puts you through a shiat storm and you end up in that grey zone where nothing makes sense and pretty much everyone is a randomly sparking meatsack animal of no especial intrinsic value, all you really want is a reaction. Feeling anything is better than feeling nothing.

Honestly, I think you're better off clinically depressed. than with sever PTSD you have the same emotional dead zone but unlike depression, you don't run out of energy or motivation. Its just a constant never ending emotional hamster wheel.  Just look at how it affected another person we thought was a heroic soldier and veteran: John James Rambo. That didn't go to well either.

He's got a nice cozy decade to work it out though, and that's about how long it takes when you decide to get better, too. Hopefully he's in country club fed hotel, not PMITA fed max.
 
2013-05-31 04:40:32 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Being in the Army doesn't automatically mean you are a good person.

Using PTSD as an excuse for your bad behavior doesn't work either


Did you read the article???

...There were strips of fat glued to the seat, and he balled them up and threw them in the nearby sewage canal. All of the men's penises had been burned off. Covered in blood, soot, sewage, and human body parts, Walker turned and staggered down the road away from the wreck, a vision that had "walked straight out of hell," he said.

I think its fair to say when you see shait like that, you may have trouble reintegrating into society.
You know... the S and D resulting from the T.

The real tragedy here is that he came back to the states in 2006, but did not go to a therapist until 2010.
He was prescribed plenty of drugs in that time period, but no one said "hey, sit down... let's talk about this"

/Have a friend who came back with major PTSD from the war... it's been 6 years for him and he's come a long long way, but  he still can't enjoy fireworks, or hang out in a crowed area for too long before he gets nervous and weird.
 
2013-05-31 04:41:15 PM

New Age Redneck: FTA:

Many veterans of America's wars never do get out. A 2010 estimate found that every day as many as 22 veterans kill themselves, many of whom suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder. More U.S. Army soldiers committed suicide in 2012, in fact, than all U.S. military personnel killed in the line of duty in Afghanistan in the same time frame. And yet for all that, veterans continue to face extreme challenges getting help when they return. Veterans Affairs offices across the country have been the subject of repeated and damning exposés detailing the shortcomings soldiers face upon returning home, including drastic time lags in receiving care, no follow-ups, and misdiagnoses. PTSD has been called by many the "signature wound" of America's wars.

   I am as anti-war as it gets....but jesus h tapdancing christ that's throwing folks under the f*cking bus....


I'm not saying it isn't a problem but the phrase "as many as" can be very misleading. That's saying "up to 22" which means anywhere from 0 to 22 and really doesn't give a fair representation of how big a problem it is.
 
2013-05-31 04:41:55 PM

New Age Redneck: FTA:

Many veterans of America's wars never do get out. A 2010 estimate found that every day as many as 22 veterans kill themselves, many of whom suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder. More U.S. Army soldiers committed suicide in 2012, in fact, than all U.S. military personnel killed in the line of duty in Afghanistan in the same time frame. And yet for all that, veterans continue to face extreme challenges getting help when they return. Veterans Affairs offices across the country have been the subject of repeated and damning exposés detailing the shortcomings soldiers face upon returning home, including drastic time lags in receiving care, no follow-ups, and misdiagnoses. PTSD has been called by many the "signature wound" of America's wars.

   I am as anti-war as it gets....but jesus h tapdancing christ that's throwing folks under the f*cking bus....


Knowing what angry and displaced war veterans tend to do otherwise, I have to wonder if some part of this treatment isn't intentional.

/If you want it to stop, list them as war casualties and demand compensation for the family.
/No bureaucrat will care unless we make this into a bean he has to account for.
 
2013-05-31 04:42:51 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Perhaps. Perhaps he joined the Army to escape a life of bad decisions as well. PTSD is a serious issue affecting many, but we don't often hear about the countless soldiers who come home to lead happy, crime-free lives.

I have one buddy who is all PTSD'd out. Jail time, ex wives yadda yadda. Everyone goes "ohh it's so sad how the government doesn't care about these guys".

I say "yea, well he was an alcoholic before he went over there"

The more you eat the more you fart: Say that AFTER you saw the kind of shiat this guy did.

I know plenty of guys who saw worse and they didn't go rob a bank and stick a gun in some women's face



I'm not saying give the guy carte blanche out of pity for him having to see that stuff, but I AM saying that seeing people die in terrible ways DOES change your forever.

I haven't seen anything like people being blown up, but I HAVE seen some pretty horrible things (guy missing his face after face-planting and skidding on said face for a good 50 meters on a motorcycle and gurgling blood during his last "breaths" while his lidless eyes stared at me and his), etc.  The life of a trauma nurse I guess...but still...it changes you.

It's not stuff you forget anytime soon, and it DOES change you.  Of course, I never went and robbed a bank at gunpoint either, but I didnt see that mess on a daily basis for a year straight either.

What I'm saying is that instead of treating him like a hardened criminal, walk a mile in this guy's shoes first, and realize that he (and the rest of society) would probably be best served by getting the guy some help instead of putting him behind bars for 15 years.

Sounds to me like he just snapped under the stress of seeing terrible things on a daily basis for a prolonged period of time.
 
2013-05-31 04:44:21 PM
None of the robberies mentioned amounted to much of a "heist," did they?
 
2013-05-31 04:45:06 PM
The guy claims he went without sleep for 21 days.  I'm no physician, but I'm pretty sure that would be fatal.
 
2013-05-31 04:45:43 PM
This kind of thread always devolves into three camps:

1. No excuses.
2. Blame society.
3. Personal anecdotes

Only the last has anything interesting to say.
 
2013-05-31 04:47:43 PM
To the Army, the act of soldiers who are no longer useful killing themselves is not a 'problem' but rather a 'solution.' It's much easier to out-process a corpse than a person, and there is negligible investigation into why a soldier committed suicide. To the Army, soldiers who kill themselves are just pieces of equipment that have the 'decency' to dispose of themselves once they're broken.

And don't you dare try to lay the blame for suicide on the soldier, when they've been indoctrinated into a culture where your only value is what you contribute to the unit.
 
2013-05-31 04:47:46 PM
Kudos on the copy-and-paste headline, subbo.
 
2013-05-31 04:48:24 PM
That article was WAAAY too long.  Can someone tell me how it ends?  How does he finally die?
 
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