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(The Atlantic)   Remember that story about the IRS commissioner signing in for 157 visits to the White House in Obama's first term? Yeah, just kidding it was actually 11   (theatlantic.com) divider line 298
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2013-05-31 01:45:57 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Watching the Obama presidency crash and burn is damn entertaining. Not nearly as good as a new episode of Game of Thrones, but equal to a new episode of The Big Bang Theory at least.


Annnd, *plonk*.
Farking trolltards.

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2013-05-31 01:46:41 PM  
Damn guys, I'm sorry, didn't mean to rustle some Jimmies. I like Obama, but you have to admit, there's some very questionable shiat going on in his administration.
 
2013-05-31 01:47:06 PM  
What, is 0bummer too good to meet with his IRS honcho from time to time? Could only clear his busy schedule of golf and Hawaiian vacations eleven times in all these years? Who's driving this boat, anyway? Who's minding the henhouse?(Oh, that's right - eggs and chicken are food, so that's MooChelle's department.) Damned uppity layabout can't be bothered to do a damned thing except put his feet up on the that desk and ruin everything forever.
 
2013-05-31 01:47:16 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Watching the Obama presidency crash and burn is damn entertaining.


obama's approval rating since the "scandals" broke: up
the GOP's approval rating since the "scandals" broke: down

yup, sounds like crashing and burning to me...
 
2013-05-31 01:48:16 PM  

Car_Ramrod: studs up: I was told yesterday that it was great for him to be there that often because Obamacare needed that level of interaction. I was actually OK with that, because, that's a lot of bureaucracy to handle. Now I'm told he hardly ever visits, so....now what? No interaction required?

FTA:

He was cleared 40 times to meet with Obama's director of the Office of Health Reform, and a further 80 times for thebiweekly health reform deputies meetings and others set up by aides involved with the health-care law implementation efforts. That's 76 percent of his planned White House visits just there, before you even add in all the meetings with Office of Management and Budget personnel also involved in health reform.

The vast majority of Shulman's scheduled meetings were to take place in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building -- 115 of them. Another three were slated for the NEOB. That leaves just 25 percent of the meetings in the White House itself, or on its South Lawn.

One of the points of the article is that we can't know for sure how many times he was at the White House COMPLEX, which includes non-White House buildings. But a conclusion we can draw from the given information, is that a wide majority of the visits he was scheduled for were with people involved in Obamacare implementation. Which is what you were told yesterday. So, there's that.

Oh, and most of the scheduled meetings weren't even in the White House itself.


Yeah, I got all that. But, the terms bolded are not saying anything at all. Cleared, slated, "were to" don't really mean anything. Did anybody answer how many Obamacare meeting were held by anyone with the IRS in this time frame? I'm hoping a lot, but, I'm not seeing a definitive (or even reasonably close) number.
 
2013-05-31 01:48:37 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Damn guys, I'm sorry, didn't mean to rustle some Jimmies. I like Obama, but you have to admit, there's some very questionable shiat going on in his administration.


Can you give details instead of just vague allegations?

And if you like Obama why do you call the "scandals" "entertaining"?
 
2013-05-31 01:50:14 PM  

FlashHarry: obama's approval rating since the "scandals" broke: up


Why would you lie about something that was so easy to fact check.
 
2013-05-31 01:50:45 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: I heard he was there over 9000 times. WHY 0BAMA WHY


And they were all raping children.
 
2013-05-31 01:51:26 PM  

skullkrusher:

His name is Popcorn Johnny... Popcorn Johnny. Almost as bad as people to respond to LeTrole

There ARE no trolls here, didn't you know that?

Just people with a difference of opinion.


*ahem*




i865.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-31 01:51:53 PM  
Obama only has to meet the guy once to use his slick, Chicago, political power to order the guy to illegally audit the taxes of millions of Right-wing patriots, right?  Right?

There are no number of meetings the Republicans will accept as the responsible number of meetings a Democrat president should have with the I.R.S. commissioner.  1, 10, 100, it doesn't matter.  It's not about the number, it's that whatever the Democrat did was wrong, and he should be investigated and impeached for it.  And, no, Democrats have not behaved the same way when the president was a Republican.
 
2013-05-31 01:52:40 PM  

studs up: I was told yesterday that it was great for him to be there that often because Obamacare needed that level of interaction. I was actually OK with that, because, that's a lot of bureaucracy to handle. Now I'm told he hardly ever visits, so....now what? No interaction required?


11 is still 11 times more than the IRS commish visited Bush.
 
2013-05-31 01:52:44 PM  
So he was in the White House more that Obamma??
 
2013-05-31 01:53:41 PM  
When this story first came out and I heard it reported on NPR and based on their coverage I was thinking, that's pretty farked up going after your political opponents like that, I hope that it is delt with in a way that makes this kind of stuff more difficult. Now after a couple weeks of right wing spin it has become just another communist muslim kenyan usurper witch hunt. So even if you think something bad happened pushing for something to be done now just makes it a win for republican derpers and nothing more. So fark em, sorry.
 
2013-05-31 01:54:58 PM  

Maud Dib: skullkrusher:

His name is Popcorn Johnny... Popcorn Johnny. Almost as bad as people to respond to LeTrole

There ARE no trolls here, didn't you know that?Just people with a difference of opinion.
*ahem*


[i865.photobucket.com image 519x224]


Since when is Fark concerned with the nuances of reality?
 
2013-05-31 01:55:51 PM  

Maud Dib: skullkrusher:

His name is Popcorn Johnny... Popcorn Johnny. Almost as bad as people to respond to LeTrole

There ARE no trolls here, didn't you know that?Just people with a difference of opinion.
*ahem*


[i865.photobucket.com image 519x224]


a little from column A and a little from column B
 
2013-05-31 01:56:28 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Damn guys, I'm sorry, didn't mean to rustle some Jimmies. I like Obama, but you have to admit, there's some very questionable shiat going on in his administration.


You're too young to have lived through Nixon, Iran-Contra, the Iran hostage crisis, the 1972 Munich massacre, and so much more, aren't you?

If you honestly think this, or any of the other trumped up scandals the conservatives have vomited up in the last four + years is 'questionable', I suggest you stay inside, lock the doors and cower in fear until your mama comes home.
 
2013-05-31 01:56:44 PM  

karmaceutical: So he was in the White House more that Obamma??


You either need to stop taking drugs or take drugs, I can't tell which.
 
2013-05-31 01:56:48 PM  

randomjsa: So basically Atlantic has no more idea than anyone else does and is just spewing liberal talking points to help cover up another Obama administration scandal.


Nobody really knows how many times the IRS commissioner visited the White House based on the gate records, therefore Obama directly ordered him to audit your taxes.
 
2013-05-31 01:57:40 PM  
And what would have happened if Obama meet him a small amount of times?

"OMG Obama is never meeting these people he has no idea what is going on!!! He is just an empty suit!!"

Hourly (or at the same time) Republicans change from allegations that Obama is this devious mastermind villain  controlling all parts of the government to attack his political enemies to Obama is this empty suit with no clue what anyone is doing in his administration.

It shows you are being dishonest and partisan switching between those two positions but I see it every day.
 
2013-05-31 01:57:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: studs up: I was told yesterday that it was great for him to be there that often because Obamacare needed that level of interaction. I was actually OK with that, because, that's a lot of bureaucracy to handle. Now I'm told he hardly ever visits, so....now what? No interaction required?

11 is still 11 times more than the IRS commish visited Bush.


Yeah true, but, the IRS under Bush wasn't dealing with implementing Obamacare, right? Doesn't seem equitable.
 
2013-05-31 01:57:59 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Indeed, of the 157 events Shulman was cleared to attend, White House records only provide time of arrival information -- confirming that he actually went to them -- for 11 events over the 2009-2012 period, and time of departure information for only six appointments.

Oh my god. Oh my god, do you know what this means. Shulman is still in the White House! HE'S STILL IN THE WHITE HOUSE. GET OUT, GET OUT NOW


You brilliant bastard. I laughed so hard, I had to change my undies.
FU
With love
 
2013-05-31 01:58:43 PM  

studs up: cameroncrazy1984: studs up: I was told yesterday that it was great for him to be there that often because Obamacare needed that level of interaction. I was actually OK with that, because, that's a lot of bureaucracy to handle. Now I'm told he hardly ever visits, so....now what? No interaction required?

11 is still 11 times more than the IRS commish visited Bush.

Yeah true, but, the IRS under Bush wasn't dealing with implementing Obamacare, right? Doesn't seem equitable.


Why not? He was cleared for a bunch of other meetings that were not on the White House proper. Do you think he needs to work with Obama on every single aspect of that implementation? If so, why?
 
2013-05-31 01:58:53 PM  
I have a Facebook friend who is going to be absolutely crushed that his latest rant has proven to be just more of the same bullshiat.
 
2013-05-31 02:01:07 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I like Obama, but you have to admit, there's some very questionable shiat going on in his administration.


i agree that extrajudicial executions via drone strikes is troubling. i assume that's what you were referring to and not these fake "scandals" that the GOP have ginned up.

that was what you were referring to, wasn't it?

or are you just another concern troll?
 
2013-05-31 02:02:43 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I have a Facebook friend who is going to be absolutely crushed that his latest rant has proven to be just more of the same bullshiat.


No, he won't be.

Doublethink, Comrade.
 
2013-05-31 02:03:23 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Damn guys, I'm sorry, didn't mean to rustle some Jimmies. I like Obama, but you have to admit, there's some very questionable shiat going on in his administration.


You sound concerned.
 
2013-05-31 02:03:30 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: FlashHarry: obama's approval rating since the "scandals" broke: up

Why would you lie about something that was so easy to fact check.


that's funny, gallup has him up. i guess it's easy when you cherry-pick.
 
2013-05-31 02:03:35 PM  

FlashHarry: Popcorn Johnny: I like Obama, but you have to admit, there's some very questionable shiat going on in his administration.

i agree that extrajudicial executions via drone strikes is troubling. i assume that's what you were referring to and not these fake "scandals" that the GOP have ginned up.

that was what you were referring to, wasn't it?

or are you just another concern troll?


Obama needs to get court approval for military strikes? Or because it's a drone not a missile it has some magical extra judiciary unicorn magic?
 
2013-05-31 02:05:02 PM  

Deucednuisance: AdolfOliverPanties: I have a Facebook friend who is going to be absolutely crushed that his latest rant has proven to be just more of the same bullshiat.

No, he won't be.

Doublethink, Comrade.


And doubling down.
 
2013-05-31 02:05:42 PM  

studs up: Car_Ramrod: studs up: I was told yesterday that it was great for him to be there that often because Obamacare needed that level of interaction. I was actually OK with that, because, that's a lot of bureaucracy to handle. Now I'm told he hardly ever visits, so....now what? No interaction required?

FTA:

He was cleared 40 times to meet with Obama's director of the Office of Health Reform, and a further 80 times for thebiweekly health reform deputies meetings and others set up by aides involved with the health-care law implementation efforts. That's 76 percent of his planned White House visits just there, before you even add in all the meetings with Office of Management and Budget personnel also involved in health reform.

The vast majority of Shulman's scheduled meetings were to take place in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building -- 115 of them. Another three were slated for the NEOB. That leaves just 25 percent of the meetings in the White House itself, or on its South Lawn.

One of the points of the article is that we can't know for sure how many times he was at the White House COMPLEX, which includes non-White House buildings. But a conclusion we can draw from the given information, is that a wide majority of the visits he was scheduled for were with people involved in Obamacare implementation. Which is what you were told yesterday. So, there's that.

Oh, and most of the scheduled meetings weren't even in the White House itself.

Yeah, I got all that. But, the terms bolded are not saying anything at all. Cleared, slated, "were to" don't really mean anything. Did anybody answer how many Obamacare meeting were held by anyone with the IRS in this time frame? I'm hoping a lot, but, I'm not seeing a definitive (or even reasonably close) number.


What does that have to do with anything? Or are you just asking questions?
 
2013-05-31 02:05:49 PM  

Corvus: Obama needs to get court approval for military strikes? Or because it's a drone not a missile it has some magical extra judiciary unicorn magic?


sorry, i should have added OF AMERICAN CITIZENS.

i thought most people were aware of the controversy.
 
2013-05-31 02:07:25 PM  

Maud Dib: skullkrusher:

His name is Popcorn Johnny... Popcorn Johnny. Almost as bad as people to respond to LeTrole

There ARE no trolls here, didn't you know that?Just people with a difference of opinion.
*ahem*


[i865.photobucket.com image 519x224]


well to be fair I definitely don't agree with people who frequently submit lying right wing propaganda headlines, and think that the president should be lynched
 
2013-05-31 02:07:57 PM  

FlashHarry: Popcorn Johnny: Watching the Obama presidency crash and burn is damn entertaining.

obama's approval rating since the "scandals" broke: up
the GOP's approval rating since the "scandals" broke: down

yup, sounds like crashing and burning to me...


Obama is such a failure, he can't even crash and burn correctly.
 
2013-05-31 02:08:30 PM  

FlashHarry: Corvus: Obama needs to get court approval for military strikes? Or because it's a drone not a missile it has some magical extra judiciary unicorn magic?

sorry, i should have added OF AMERICAN CITIZENS.

i thought most people were aware of the controversy.


Yes. It was still a military strike.

Are you saying if it's a US citizen in the "battlefield" (somewhere you can't get them and arrest them) and they are siding with the enemy against the US, we have to have a trial for them and have to have have arrested them?
 
2013-05-31 02:09:19 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: studs up: cameroncrazy1984: studs up: I was told yesterday that it was great for him to be there that often because Obamacare needed that level of interaction. I was actually OK with that, because, that's a lot of bureaucracy to handle. Now I'm told he hardly ever visits, so....now what? No interaction required?

11 is still 11 times more than the IRS commish visited Bush.

Yeah true, but, the IRS under Bush wasn't dealing with implementing Obamacare, right? Doesn't seem equitable.

Why not? He was cleared for a bunch of other meetings that were not on the White House proper. Do you think he needs to work with Obama on every single aspect of that implementation? If so, why?


um, what?
Do I think that the people in charge of taking over Obamacare should be having a lot of meetings (BHO not required, but, somebody at the WH needs to be there) to ensure the implementation of a new bureaucracy runs smoothly? Yeah, I think that's important.
That's not the point of the post you made about comparing the visits of the IRS with the Bush WH v. Obama WH though, is it? I've noticed you often like to red herring a discussion when an "uncomfortable" question is asked or point is made. I'm sure they taught you how to re-frame the question in sophistry 101 but you know everyone can see right through that, don't you?
You are just not a person to be taken seriously at all.
Enjoy your day.
 
2013-05-31 02:09:22 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Subby. No it wasn't just 11
Re-read tfa


NO U.

Shulman was cleared primarily to meet with administration staffers involved in implementation of the health-care reform bill. He was cleared 40 times to meet with Obama's director of the Office of Health Reform, and a further 80 times for the  biweekly health reform deputies meetings and others set up by aides involved with the health-care law implementation efforts. That's 76 percent of his planned White House visits just there, before you even add in all the meetings with Office of Management and Budget personnel also involved in health reform.

Complicating the picture is the fact that just because a meeting was scheduled and Shulman was cleared to attend it does not mean that he actually went.


How many did Shulman actually attend? 11.

i48.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-31 02:09:53 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Link


Interesting.
 
2013-05-31 02:10:34 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Indeed, of the 157 events Shulman was cleared to attend, White House records only provide time of arrival information -- confirming that he actually went to them -- for 11 events over the 2009-2012 period, and time of departure information for only six appointments.

Oh my god. Oh my god, do you know what this means. Shulman is still in the White House! HE'S STILL IN THE WHITE HOUSE. GET OUT, GET OUT NOW


www.esplatter.com
 
2013-05-31 02:10:49 PM  

FlashHarry: Corvus: Obama needs to get court approval for military strikes? Or because it's a drone not a missile it has some magical extra judiciary unicorn magic?

sorry, i should have added OF AMERICAN CITIZENS.

i thought most people were aware of the controversy.


So I have a question.

Lets say I am on the battlefield and someone says "Hey wait I am an American" are we no longer allowed to attack them until we verify they are not an American?

Or how about the legal challenges that were brought up against Lincoln that he was attacking Americans without a trial? (you are familiar with those right?)

You think those should have gone through and Lincoln could be on trial for targeting US Citizens without a trial?
 
2013-05-31 02:11:17 PM  
THEN WHO WAS WHITEHOUSE??!?
 
2013-05-31 02:11:53 PM  

Corvus: Are you saying if it's a US citizen in the "battlefield" (somewhere you can't get them and arrest them) and they are siding with the enemy against the US, we have to have a trial for them and have to have have arrested them?


are you defining battlefield as "somewhere you can't arrest" someone? that's pretty much the entire globe outside the US. that's the trouble with the war on terror. it's perpetual war on a global scale, which gives extraordinary power to the president.

that being said, i do trust that the americans who were killed were actively plotting against the US, but would i trust a president romney? a president santorum? a president palin with that same power? no farking way.
 
2013-05-31 02:12:42 PM  

Corvus: Lets say I am on the battlefield and someone says "Hey wait I am an American" are we no longer allowed to attack them until we verify they are not an American?


is a car a battlefield? is an apartment building?
 
2013-05-31 02:15:16 PM  

FlashHarry: Corvus: Are you saying if it's a US citizen in the "battlefield" (somewhere you can't get them and arrest them) and they are siding with the enemy against the US, we have to have a trial for them and have to have have arrested them?

are you defining battlefield as "somewhere you can't arrest" someone? that's pretty much the entire globe outside the US. that's the trouble with the war on terror. it's perpetual war on a global scale, which gives extraordinary power to the president.

that being said, i do trust that the americans who were killed were actively plotting against the US, but would i trust a president romney? a president santorum? a president palin with that same power? no farking way.


Have you read what the AUMF has defined as the "enemies" and where that is?

So if you don't want the president with WAR POWERS don't give them WAR POWERS but don't try to pretend war powers are not war powers like you are doing right now.
 
2013-05-31 02:15:18 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: FlashHarry: obama's approval rating since the "scandals" broke: up

Why would you lie about something that was so easy to fact check.


and the other half:

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Republicans in Congress are handling their job?"

Approve: 24%
Disapprove: 67%
Unsure: 9%

keep farking that chicken, republicans!

 
2013-05-31 02:15:31 PM  

Corvus: FlashHarry: Corvus: Obama needs to get court approval for military strikes? Or because it's a drone not a missile it has some magical extra judiciary unicorn magic?

sorry, i should have added OF AMERICAN CITIZENS.

i thought most people were aware of the controversy.

Yes. It was still a military strike.

Are you saying if it's a US citizen in the "battlefield" (somewhere you can't get them and arrest them) and they are siding with the enemy against the US, we have to have a trial for them and have to have have arrested them?


Just like we would have done for any American who joined the Viet Cong, or fought for North Korea, or defended Saddam Hussein's palace in Baghdad.

American citizenship is apparently a force-field of magic - but Obama's voodoo is penetrating it to make them vulnerable to attack..

How about if we know an American is in a certain terrorist base and then attack the base and just so happen to kill the American? Is that OK? Or does an American's presence create a human shield that we just can't breach? If so, Bin Laden royally farked up by not having any close American friends.
 
2013-05-31 02:15:35 PM  

studs up: That's not the point of the post you made about comparing the visits of the IRS with the Bush WH v. Obama WH though, is it? I've noticed you often like to red herring a discussion when an "uncomfortable" question is asked or point is made. I'm sure they taught you how to re-frame the question in sophistry 101 but you know everyone can see right through that, don't you?
You are just not a person to be taken seriously at all.
Enjoy your day.


Huh? What did you think my point was, exactly? I think you just misunderstood me in order to feel superior.
 
2013-05-31 02:15:41 PM  

theknuckler_33: studs up: Car_Ramrod: studs up: I was told yesterday that it was great for him to be there that often because Obamacare needed that level of interaction. I was actually OK with that, because, that's a lot of bureaucracy to handle. Now I'm told he hardly ever visits, so....now what? No interaction required?

FTA:

He was cleared 40 times to meet with Obama's director of the Office of Health Reform, and a further 80 times for thebiweekly health reform deputies meetings and others set up by aides involved with the health-care law implementation efforts. That's 76 percent of his planned White House visits just there, before you even add in all the meetings with Office of Management and Budget personnel also involved in health reform.

The vast majority of Shulman's scheduled meetings were to take place in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building -- 115 of them. Another three were slated for the NEOB. That leaves just 25 percent of the meetings in the White House itself, or on its South Lawn.

One of the points of the article is that we can't know for sure how many times he was at the White House COMPLEX, which includes non-White House buildings. But a conclusion we can draw from the given information, is that a wide majority of the visits he was scheduled for were with people involved in Obamacare implementation. Which is what you were told yesterday. So, there's that.

Oh, and most of the scheduled meetings weren't even in the White House itself.

Yeah, I got all that. But, the terms bolded are not saying anything at all. Cleared, slated, "were to" don't really mean anything. Did anybody answer how many Obamacare meeting were held by anyone with the IRS in this time frame? I'm hoping a lot, but, I'm not seeing a definitive (or even reasonably close) number.

What does that have to do with anything? Or are you just asking questions?


It has to do with the actual number of meetings that the IRS had with the WH regarding Obamacare? It's a fairly large bureaucratic change that probably requires quite a lot of oversight. I'm assuming that would mean a good number of meetings to ensure a smooth implementation. I honestly asked if anyone had the actual number of meetings (visits, Skype, whatever) anywhere.
Or are you just obtuse for the sake of "my team"?
 
2013-05-31 02:15:52 PM  

FlashHarry: Corvus: Lets say I am on the battlefield and someone says "Hey wait I am an American" are we no longer allowed to attack them until we verify they are not an American?

is a car a battlefield? is an apartment building?


Depends on what country it's in.

Now are you going to answer my questions?
 
2013-05-31 02:16:58 PM  

Corvus: Have you read what the AUMF has defined as the "enemies" and where that is?

So if you don't want the president with WAR POWERS don't give them WAR POWERS but don't try to pretend war powers are not war powers like you are doing right now.


did you read my post earlier? the one in which i said, "that's the trouble with the war on terror. it's perpetual war on a global scale, which gives extraordinary power to the president."

the AUMF is bad policy. obama himself has said so recently.

my point is, the drone thing is a real controversy and worthy of discussion. this other stuff isn't.
 
2013-05-31 02:17:10 PM  

studs up: I honestly asked if anyone had the actual number of meetings (visits, Skype, whatever) anywhere.


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