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(Chicago Trib)   New Chicago loop intersection will test "pedestrian scramble" theory. No word on whether Yakety Sax will be played at all crosswalks   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 47
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2013-05-31 10:13:38 AM
It's like a big game of whack a thug.
 
2013-05-31 10:17:55 AM
www.c64-wiki.com
 
2013-05-31 10:23:13 AM
Giving pedestrians a fighting chance is a novel idea, Just give each pedestrian a baseball that they are allowed to swing at anything that won't slow down.
 
2013-05-31 10:23:48 AM
*baseball bat

//Not enough coffee.
 
2013-05-31 10:24:48 AM
This is how intersections work in my neck of the woods.

All traffic is given the red, and the intersection is fully opened to pedestrians.

You may have to wait a little bit longer for the walk signal, but then you are more "protected" while crossing.
 
2013-05-31 10:25:08 AM
Oh ya! Becuase the city with one of the highest rates of vehicle/pedestrian accidents is exactly the place to do some experimentin'!
 
2013-05-31 10:25:23 AM
the full stop of all traffic will probably make the biggest difference. Takes the guess work out of it for everyone.
 
2013-05-31 10:26:41 AM
Given the number of people who are trying to get into/out of the loop at peak times, it actually makes sense to make it as big a pain in the butt as possible to drive.  I like it.
 
2013-05-31 10:26:53 AM
Her name was wang...
 
2013-05-31 10:29:02 AM
If they add Brother Jed Smock, it'll be just like being back in college.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-31 10:30:25 AM
they work in san francisco, where i have to go a lot.  the only thing that the majority of pedestrians do there is not jaywalk--i know that they do a lot of that in chicago.
 
2013-05-31 10:32:25 AM

bopis: Oh ya! Becuase the city with one of the highest rates of vehicle/pedestrian accidents is exactly the place to do some experimentin'!


Yes, yes it is. Only a brain-dead twat would think the solution is "leave it alone, don't try and make it safer for everybody"
 
2013-05-31 10:37:02 AM
WOW arent you a big internet tough guy.
Experimenting , is not the same thing as making improvements.
 
2013-05-31 10:38:37 AM

bopis: WOW arent you a big internet tough guy.
Experimenting , is not the same thing as making improvements.


Except it's not exactly an experiment given that the idea is 70 years old and is used across the country to great success.
 
2013-05-31 10:42:51 AM
Testing? It's a fairly well-proven strategy that's been in use around the world for decades.

2.bp.blogspot.com

You don't see many of them in the US because a**hole planners and engineers like Robert Moses were all about suburban sprawl and automobile traffic and screw anyone so poor they had to walk or take public transit. Glad to see the trend is reversing.
=Smidge=
 
2013-05-31 10:45:22 AM
What's the point of doing it every second light cycle? Pedestrians aren't going to wait around for it.
 
2013-05-31 10:48:27 AM
The busiest intersection for pedestrians in Washington D.C. (7th and H NW, next to the Chinatown arch) was using this system the last time I went by. No diagonal crosswalks... but all traffic is given the red for at least 15 seconds every single cycle.
 
2013-05-31 10:49:55 AM
This is why when I need to go diagonal at an intersection I make sure to hit all of the crosswalk buttons. This works on a bike, too.

/build the right infrastructure or i'll just continue to make my own
/car infrastructure is the biggest govt subsidy ever
 
2013-05-31 11:06:48 AM

Russ1642: What's the point of doing it every second light cycle? Pedestrians aren't going to wait around for it.


Its chicago.
 
2013-05-31 11:17:24 AM
They aren't gonna wait around for it for the first one either.
Trust me driving downtown is not at all in favor of the car.
 
2013-05-31 11:19:36 AM
Narrowing down streets, bus rapid transit... I'm surprised they didn't try to bring back the disastrous State Street Mall. That was a classic example of urban planning suckage.

/no longer works downtown
//5-minute commute is like have two more hours a day
 
2013-05-31 11:34:10 AM

Smidge204: Testing? It's a fairly well-proven strategy that's been in use around the world for decades.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x256]

You don't see many of them in the US because a**hole planners and engineers like Robert Moses were all about suburban sprawl and automobile traffic and screw anyone so poor they had to walk or take public transit. Glad to see the trend is reversing.
=Smidge=



We have some in Los Angeles, especially in the Westwood area.
 
2013-05-31 11:40:02 AM
Was in Las Vegas end of January and I think this idea should have been used on the strip there, rather than the ridiculous bridges which make you walk half a block out of your way to get on/off of.
 
2013-05-31 11:43:46 AM
In before some driver flips their shiat upon seeing people in the middle of the road and hits the gas because their destination is more important than anybody else's life.

/impatient drivers be crazy
 
2013-05-31 11:44:56 AM

bopis: WOW arent you a big internet tough guy.
Experimenting , is not the same thing as making improvements.


What are your suggestions for them then, O Traffic Genius?
 
2013-05-31 11:56:22 AM

Smidge204: Testing? It's a fairly well-proven strategy that's been in use around the world for decades.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x256]

You don't see many of them in the US because a**hole planners and engineers like Robert Moses were all about suburban sprawl and automobile traffic and screw anyone so poor they had to walk or take public transit. Glad to see the trend is reversing.
=Smidge=


Yep, I've seen them in intelligent cities around the world and now we know the rest of the USA story.  BTW I love to walk.  I wish where I lived 'NOW' they made cities for people and not cars
 
2013-05-31 12:02:39 PM
They used to have these in Denver. When I was back last year, it looked like they'd taken them all out and I couldn't figure out why. Seemed to work pretty well.
 
2013-05-31 12:03:37 PM

Smidge204: Testing? It's a fairly well-proven strategy that's been in use around the world for decades.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x256]

You don't see many of them in the US because a**hole planners and engineers like Robert Moses were all about suburban sprawl and automobile traffic and screw anyone so poor they had to walk or take public transit. Glad to see the trend is reversing.
=Smidge=


Yes, thats exactly it.   The world is full of evil moustache-twirlers.   How miserable you must be.
 
2013-05-31 12:08:43 PM
This has worked fine in downtown Denver for the past 30-odd years.
 
2013-05-31 12:12:07 PM

bopis: Oh ya! Becuase the city with one of the highest rates of vehicle/pedestrian accidents is exactly the place to do some experimentin'!


Actually, Chicago has an extraordinarily low rate of vehicle/pedestrian accidents.  There's a PDF on CDOT's web site I looked at this morning and Chicago is somewhere down around 15th among America's big cities.

The Chicago Architecture Blog has already been out there this morning. Here's a pic from its web site:

blog.chicagoarchitecture.info

According to the CAB article, 40,000 pedestrians use that intersection each day.  I think Michigan and Chicago would be a better candidate, though, because of all the tourists.

Here's CAB's  full story with video
 
2013-05-31 12:14:31 PM

Smidge204: You don't see many of them in the US because a**hole planners and engineers like Robert Moses were all about suburban sprawl and automobile traffic and screw anyone so poor they had to walk or take public transit. Glad to see the trend is reversing.


Be careful what you wish for. Philly nearly killed a thriving Chestnut St by making it mass-transit/pedestrian only in 1976. It still hasn't recovered from that.

http://philly.curbed.com/archives/2012/07/18/cornerspotted-the-chest nu t-street-transitway.php
 
2013-05-31 12:22:33 PM
Can't let a thread like this go by without a mention of The Scramble Light at Ball State.

cms.bsu.edu
 
2013-05-31 12:33:35 PM

reaperducer: I think Michigan and Chicago would be a better candidate, though, because of all the tourists.


But then the tourists would win!
 
2013-05-31 12:56:17 PM

bopis: WOW arent you a big internet tough guy.
Experimenting , is not the same thing as making improvements.


Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and agree with the "brain-dead twat" comment.
 
2013-05-31 12:57:12 PM

MemeSlave: Smidge204: Testing? It's a fairly well-proven strategy that's been in use around the world for decades.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x256]

You don't see many of them in the US because a**hole planners and engineers like Robert Moses were all about suburban sprawl and automobile traffic and screw anyone so poor they had to walk or take public transit. Glad to see the trend is reversing.
=Smidge=

Yes, thats exactly it.   The world is full of evil moustache-twirlers.   How miserable you must be.


Pretty sure he wasn't saying it was some nefarious plan, but rather extremely shortsighted and bullheaded.
 
2013-05-31 01:07:55 PM

johndalek: they work in san francisco, where i have to go a lot.  the only thing that the majority of pedestrians do there is not jaywalk--i know that they do a lot of that in chicago.


They really don't jaywalk in San Fran.  That seems so odd to those of us who live in places like Philly.  My recent San Fran visit may constitute the only time in my life that I used the crosswalks exclusively for four days straight.
 
2013-05-31 01:26:17 PM

MemeSlave: Smidge204: Testing? It's a fairly well-proven strategy that's been in use around the world for decades.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x256]

You don't see many of them in the US because a**hole planners and engineers like Robert Moses were all about suburban sprawl and automobile traffic and screw anyone so poor they had to walk or take public transit. Glad to see the trend is reversing.
=Smidge=

Yes, thats exactly it.   The world is full of evil moustache-twirlers.   How miserable you must be.


Read up on the history of mass transit in Los Angeles. The world might not be full of evil moustache-twirlers, but it sure as hell feels like it sometime.
 
2013-05-31 01:52:07 PM

LavenderWolf: Pretty sure he wasn't saying it was some nefarious plan, but rather extremely shortsighted and bullheaded.


That too, but Robert Moses really was a complete dick and it's hard to see many of the choices he made as being anything other than deliberately callous towards the poor and minorities.

You ever play Sim City, and just bulldoze residential neighborhoods on a while to build a new highway? Pretty much exactly what he did through the Bronx. It's like that scene at the beginning of the Hitchhiker's Guide with the bulldozer and the notice at the planning office. Residence of the apartment buildings to be demolished were given 90 days notice and demolition often started while the buildings were still partially occupied.

And the bridges on the parkways he built are all too low for city buses to get through. Until I495 was built you only had the trains to get east of the city, and no way to get to the long island beaches, unless you owned or could afford to hire a car.
=Smidge=
 
2013-05-31 02:14:44 PM
Done in two.
 
2013-05-31 02:19:31 PM

Snakeophelia: johndalek: they work in san francisco, where i have to go a lot.  the only thing that the majority of pedestrians do there is not jaywalk--i know that they do a lot of that in chicago.

They really don't jaywalk in San Fran.  That seems so odd to those of us who live in places like Philly.  My recent San Fran visit may constitute the only time in my life that I used the crosswalks exclusively for four days straight.


In Portland and Seattle it's even more like that than here.  Bonus, many people queue up at crosswalks there.  It's like I'm in Sweden or something.

By the way, they don't have these crosswalks anywhere else?  Really?  Huh.
 
2013-05-31 02:34:31 PM
FTA:  Beverly Hadley, 57, a paralegal who works downtown. "People will get confused. I know it works well on paper and in Europe, so we'll just have to see."

Goddammit so much America. "Science says it works and in practice it works, but I think us Americans are maybe too stupid."
 
2013-05-31 03:46:06 PM

Scrotastic Method: FTA:  Beverly Hadley, 57, a paralegal who works downtown. "People will get confused. I know it works well on paper and in Europe, so we'll just have to see."

Goddammit so much America. "Science says it works and in practice it works, but I think us Americans are maybe too stupid."


They always have to find that one curmudgeon to give a debbie downer quote to every article, no matter how innocuous.
 
2013-05-31 06:01:15 PM
Tokyo has had them forever... but hey, even in DOWNSTATE Illinois they've been around for years. Welcome to modernity, Chicago.
 
2013-05-31 06:28:56 PM
Just call them 'Freedom Crossings'
 
2013-06-01 12:16:42 AM
+10 internets to subby. I immediately got a vision of John Cleese executing very fast silly walks through a circular busy intersection populated exclusively with classic minis.
 
2013-06-01 12:18:17 AM

Coastalgrl: +10 internets to subby. I immediately got a vision of John Cleese executing very fast silly walks through a circular busy intersection populated exclusively with classic minis.


All to the aforementioned song.

Which is now stuck in my head

It's late.
 
2013-06-01 04:03:45 AM

foxyshadis: Scrotastic Method: FTA:  Beverly Hadley, 57, a paralegal who works downtown. "People will get confused. I know it works well on paper and in Europe, so we'll just have to see."

Goddammit so much America. "Science says it works and in practice it works, but I think us Americans are maybe too stupid."

They always have to find that one curmudgeon to give a debbie downer quote to every article, no matter how innocuous.


Gotta balance that fairness.
 
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