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(WTKR)   Navy says it will return to fire-resistant uniforms after learning sailors are sparking mad   (wtkr.com) divider line 81
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2013-05-31 09:02:04 AM
The decision comes after tests revealed that current uniforms 'will burn robustly until completely consumed' and also melt

...and also randomly explode. Really, we don't know what we were thinking when we bought these.
 
2013-05-31 09:28:37 AM

Sybarite: The decision comes after tests revealed that current uniforms 'will burn robustly until completely consumed' and also melt

...and also randomly explode. Really, we don't know what we were thinking when we bought these.


Although they said that the utilities/cotton khakis weren't flame retardant either, so there wasn't a change.  What do I know, though?  I wore poopie suits underway, as a member of the "everything's better, down where it's wetter" club.
 
2013-05-31 10:41:43 AM
I cant believe the fire paranoid navy got rid of them in the first place.
 
2013-05-31 10:45:05 AM
Bah.  If they are on fire just dunk them in the water.
 
2013-05-31 10:45:24 AM
You know, it there was *something* the Navy had around them that could be useful in case of a *fire* to...well...come on guys, help me out here......
 
2013-05-31 10:48:25 AM
The new navy utility uniform, the blue cammie one, is the dumbest idea for a uniform ever.
 
2013-05-31 10:49:25 AM

Sybarite: The decision comes after tests revealed that current uniforms 'will burn robustly until completely consumed' and also melt

...and also randomly explode. Really, we don't know what we were thinking when we bought these.


People spontaneously combust all the time. It's just not widely reported.
 
2013-05-31 10:50:20 AM
Jesus christ, really?

The idea of clothing someone in meltable, burnable fibers when they are expected to not only operate in a combat environment, but also around highly explosive and flammable materials, and pick up a fire hose and act as damage control at any moment didn't occur as  stupid to anyone with a star on their shoulders?
 
2013-05-31 10:51:59 AM

hardinparamedic: Jesus christ, really?

The idea of clothing someone in meltable, burnable fibers when they are expected to not only operate in a combat environment, but also around highly explosive and flammable materials, and pick up a fire hose and act as damage control at any moment didn't occur as  stupid to anyone with a star on their shoulders?


Military Intelligence
 
2013-05-31 10:51:59 AM

factoryconnection: Although they said that the utilities/cotton khakis weren't flame retardant either, so there wasn't a change.


But at least cotton won't melt.  It just burns.  There is perhaps nothing worse than a military uniform that turns into napalm when it comes in contact with flame.
 
2013-05-31 10:53:18 AM
But they told me it was inflammable!

<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO3Wfenv4Mo">Inflammable means flammable? What a country!</A>
 
2013-05-31 10:53:36 AM

neversubmit: hardinparamedic: Jesus christ, really?

The idea of clothing someone in meltable, burnable fibers when they are expected to not only operate in a combat environment, but also around highly explosive and flammable materials, and pick up a fire hose and act as damage control at any moment didn't occur as  stupid to anyone with a star on their shoulders?

Military Intelligence


No, that sounds more like the bean counters in Logistics.
 
2013-05-31 10:54:43 AM

ChipNASA: You know, it there was *something* the Navy had around them that could be useful in case of a *fire* to...well...come on guys, help me out here......


Too much water in boat is bad.
 
2013-05-31 10:54:55 AM
issue.... meaning we purchase... since the current uniform we knew when bought were not flame retardant...
 
2013-05-31 10:55:57 AM

dittybopper: neversubmit: hardinparamedic: Jesus christ, really?

The idea of clothing someone in meltable, burnable fibers when they are expected to not only operate in a combat environment, but also around highly explosive and flammable materials, and pick up a fire hose and act as damage control at any moment didn't occur as  stupid to anyone with a star on their shoulders?

Military Intelligence

No, that sounds more like the bean counters in Logistics.


Yes, but that's not funny and I was trying to be funny.

/sigh
 
2013-05-31 10:58:00 AM

sailors are sparking mad


What the hell is "sparking mad"??

Subby, if you're going this route at least try to use a phrase that's in somewhat common use, like "one-legged man reportedly hopping mad".

In this case you could have used "...after learning sailors are hot under the collar".
 
2013-05-31 11:00:30 AM
You know, I never had the poopy suit catch on fire, despite the firefighting we did in it.  Maybe it was the accumulated layers of amine.
 
2013-05-31 11:03:06 AM
Every sailor is a fireman, so let's not give them flame retardant clothing.

/checks out as Navy logic.
 
2013-05-31 11:04:11 AM

Frank N Stein: The new navy utility uniform, the blue cammie one, is the dumbest idea for a uniform ever.


Sure, it catches on fire and melts to the skin, but at least it camoflages you in the water if you fall overboard!
 
2013-05-31 11:04:57 AM
Now that DADT is gone, you'd expect a lot more flamers in the military...
 
2013-05-31 11:05:59 AM
They should be allowed to wear pajamas in the meantime.
 
2013-05-31 11:06:41 AM
The good news is that our new Navy uniforms are 100% fireproof!
The bad news is, they melt in salt water.
 
2013-05-31 11:06:52 AM
Flame-retardant pajamas are responsible for the increase in Aspergers over the last 40 years.
 
2013-05-31 11:09:25 AM
came here to say fire on boats is bad.

/ not a sailor, navy person, or really much of a boat person
// take a class on admiralty law and the professor was a former submariner.  he said the scariest thing he ever saw while in a submarine was a fire.  second scariest was trying to find a steam leak.  apparently the steam that comes out of nuclear subs is rather hot and invisible.  he gave a quick description of what to do to find a leak, and my memory says he said that you walk around the walls with a piece of paper or something in front of you, real slowly, until the air destroys the paper.  or you lose body parts.
 
2013-05-31 11:11:00 AM
Link to Navy Times is 404.  Anyone know if sailors have been injured due to this idiocy?
 
2013-05-31 11:13:20 AM
i'm glad i served when i did.

back in the dark ages of  cotton and wool.
 
2013-05-31 11:13:55 AM
We (as in Sweden) did the same mistake back in -85 when I was in the Swedish navy. Exchanged our old trusty cotton uniforms for some plastic crap that was cold in the winter and hot as hell in the summer. It also burned nicely like napalm (a mate found out the hard way in a firedrill) Not only that, they were also treated with some nasty nasty chemical which meant we were only allowed to wash them once every 6 months (I kid you not). We were given 2 pairs of trousers which we then had to wear for 3 months straight unless something really bad happened to them. In which case you had to make do with the other pair for the remainder of those months.
It was just a lame attempt at saving the local clothing industry anyway, and that failed miserably with the advent of cheap asian clothing.
 
2013-05-31 11:16:17 AM

doyner: Frank N Stein: The new navy utility uniform, the blue cammie one, is the dumbest idea for a uniform ever.

Sure, it catches on fire and melts to the skin, but at least it camoflages you in the water if you fall overboard!


1. Catch on fire
2. Cloths start to melt on your skin
3. Jump overboard in a panic
4. Drown because the uniform blends into the water and rescue crew can't find you in time

Navy logic
 
2013-05-31 11:18:10 AM
But are they still ugly? Which is the primary requirement of all Navy Uniforms.
 
2013-05-31 11:18:25 AM
Burnability aside, I don't understand the Navy camouflage.  If I were on a ship in the middle of the ocean and then subsequently fell off and into said ocean, camouflage would be the last farking thing I'd want to be wearing.
 
2013-05-31 11:19:23 AM

Frank N Stein: doyner: Frank N Stein: The new navy utility uniform, the blue cammie one, is the dumbest idea for a uniform ever.

Sure, it catches on fire and melts to the skin, but at least it camoflages you in the water if you fall overboard!

1. Catch on fire
2. Cloths start to melt on your skin
3. Jump overboard in a panic
4. Drown because the uniform blends into the water and rescue crew can't find you in time

Navy logic


The worst part of it is that they came into existence almost entirely because the other services got new uniforms and we "needed" new uniforms too.
 
2013-05-31 11:19:52 AM

Digitalstrange: But are they still ugly? Which is the primary requirement of all Navy Uniforms.


Nope. They're going with a retro styling.

www.costumelicious.com
 
2013-05-31 11:22:42 AM

Digitalstrange: But are they still ugly? Which is the primary requirement of all Navy Uniforms.


Pipe that, swabby.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-31 11:23:32 AM

hardinparamedic: Jesus christ, really?

The idea of clothing someone in meltable, burnable fibers when they are expected to not only operate in a combat environment, but also around highly explosive and flammable materials, and pick up a fire hose and act as damage control at any moment didn't occur as  stupid to anyone with a star on their shoulders?


I'm sure it did. However, which ever Peter Principle promotee got picked to head the task force on uniforms didn't like their tone or the way they were trying to muscle in on his turf--He's a real admiral too! So he doubled down on idiocy and decided that he would just ORDER the people wearing them not to catch on fire.
 
2013-05-31 11:23:32 AM

Bryntryst: Burnability aside, I don't understand the Navy camouflage.  If I were on a ship in the middle of the ocean and then subsequently fell off and into said ocean, camouflage would be the last farking thing I'd want to be wearing.


From what I've read, they don't need to be laundered as often. And, supposedly, if you brush up against wet, grey paint you can still wear the uniform.
 
2013-05-31 11:23:53 AM

Bryntryst: Burnability aside, I don't understand the Navy camouflage.  If I were on a ship in the middle of the ocean and then subsequently fell off and into said ocean, camouflage would be the last farking thing I'd want to be wearing.


Exactly.  Shipboard Navy uniforms should be blaze orange or flourescent yellow.  Something that stands out in the ocean.
 
2013-05-31 11:24:10 AM

Digitalstrange: But are they still ugly? Which is the primary requirement of all Navy Uniforms.


Not all. Dinner Dress Blues are pretty hot.
 
2013-05-31 11:26:24 AM

shintochick: Digitalstrange: But are they still ugly? Which is the primary requirement of all Navy Uniforms.

Not all. Dinner Dress Blues are pretty hot.


Yeah, they're pretty cool.  But the dinner dress whites are a little...flamboyant.
 
2013-05-31 11:27:45 AM
Why not just issue the squids camo that blends in with fire?
www.darthscreencapture.com
That way, if they are on fire, they'll still be hard to see.
 
2013-05-31 11:28:01 AM

Frank N Stein: The new navy utility uniform, the blue cammie one, is the dumbest idea for a uniform ever.


No, the mix-n-match half brown and black are the FUGLIEST. I saw a guy in one and I was about to tear into him for mixing up his uniforms.
 
2013-05-31 11:29:26 AM

ChipNASA: You know, it there was *something* the Navy had around them that could be useful in case of a *fire* to...well...come on guys, help me out here......


Marine Corps dip? I hear they have that all over Navy ships
 
2013-05-31 11:30:02 AM

log_jammin: I cant believe the fire paranoid navy got rid of them in the first place.


THIS.  I was Army, but when I worked with Navy guys it struck me that fire was a really big thing with them.  Sensible when you thing about it: on a boat containing a fire and letting it burn itself out isn't a good plan.  I'm going to assume that guys who work around super flammable things wear special equipment, but having everyone in sight a little more fire resistant is going to go a long way when things go sideways.
 
2013-05-31 11:30:04 AM

pute kisses like a man: he gave a quick description of what to do to find a leak, and my memory says he said that you walk around the walls with a piece of paper or something in front of you, real slowly, until the air destroys the paper. or you lose body parts.


We would use a broom.  It is even more important to do so with a hydraulic rupture, because the oil will penetrate your skin and fill the vascular tissue, effectively ending that limb.
 
2013-05-31 11:30:33 AM

Anything that hides Rihanna's curves is a questionable choice.

i.imgur.com i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-31 11:31:05 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Marine Corps dip? I hear they have that all over Navy ships


Please tell me that's a dance move.
 
2013-05-31 11:34:27 AM

SN1987a goes boom: Every sailor is a fireman, so let's not give them flame retardant clothing.

/checks out as Navy logic.


See what a simple typo can do?  Fireman or fire man, one little space in the wrong place and everyone gets all butthurt.

/I get all Navy sailors have a fear of fire, that is why they surround themselves with all that water
 
2013-05-31 11:36:31 AM

Snarfangel: The good news is that our new Navy uniforms are 100% fireproof!
The bad news is, they melt in salt water.


http://www.fark.com/comments/4591398/The-water-soluble-bikini-in-act io n-Dont-worry-Not-safe-for-work-version-is-hidden-behind-a-second-link

Well, hellllo, sssailor.

/NTTAWWT
//(GIS no find hot USN women)
///(I haz a sad)
 
2013-05-31 11:37:10 AM
Shintochick: Digitalstrange: But are they still ugly? Which is the primary requirement of all Navy Uniforms.

Not all. Dinner Dress Blues are pretty hot.


doyner: Yeah, they're pretty cool.  But the dinner dress whites are a little...flamboyant.

DDB's were the go-to for procuring some fine au-pair action at the I-Ball.  A well tailored set of SDB's weren't terrible, either.

I pretty much hated all of the white uniforms.  As a fairly clumsy dude, it would take all of about 30 seconds to get some kind of mark on them.  And don't get me started on the time we decided to take the NYC subway in summer whites...
 
2013-05-31 11:39:11 AM
The clothing worn by military enlisted is picked out by people who will NEVER wear it. Run of the mill enlisted people have next to no say in the choices at all. Given the choice between comfortable clothing underway and clothing that pretends to be 10% less flammable they will wear the comfort cloths 100% of the time.

  Which brings me to the real reason they are changing uniforms for the navy YET AGAIN. $ Money $  and the people deciding on yet another change can look forward to a fat retirement working for the clothing manufacturer as a " consultant ".
 
2013-05-31 11:43:30 AM

FabulousFreep: The clothing worn by military enlisted is picked out by people who will NEVER wear it. Run of the mill enlisted people have next to no say in the choices at all. Given the choice between comfortable clothing underway and clothing that pretends to be 10% less flammable they will wear the comfort cloths 100% of the time.

  Which brings me to the real reason they are changing uniforms for the navy YET AGAIN. $ Money $  and the people deciding on yet another change can look forward to a fat retirement working for the clothing manufacturer as a " consultant ".


You also forgot the dozens of admirals and their staffs that run around the Pentagon and have to look busy, so they've been messing with the uniforms for a decade - changed the "working" uniform to the black & tan, PT uniforms changed twice, dropped dungarees for the blueberries, etc.
 
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