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(Fox News)   Decontaminate every patient in the hospital to prevent infections like MRSA: Good idea or genius idea?   (latino.foxnews.com) divider line 94
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2013-05-31 06:19:54 AM
Good luck with that
 
2013-05-31 06:30:28 AM
great idea.
 
2013-05-31 08:40:11 AM
MRSA sucks. I ended up having a surgeon carve a hole in the top of my foot last fall because of it.
 
2013-05-31 08:43:24 AM
Shiatty idea. MRSA and other drug-resistant strains of diseases came about because of indiscriminate and reckless use of antibiotics and antiseptics. The solution is not to use even more.
 
2013-05-31 09:48:46 AM
Most expensive bath house EVAR.
 
2013-05-31 12:45:47 PM
Who's this Mr. Sa, and why is he causing so much trouble?
 
2013-05-31 01:02:01 PM
I dunno, the one time I was holed up in the hospital for a week with a broken ankle it would have been nice if someone came around and gave me a got damned bath.  By the end of it I was basically walking a tightrope between bedsore with legs and man wearing suit of Cheddar Cheese spread.
 
2013-05-31 01:15:15 PM
Yeah, sounds good until they become resistant to that too.
 
2013-05-31 01:31:28 PM
Uh, no.
 
2013-05-31 01:50:54 PM

RexTalionis: Shiatty idea. MRSA and other drug-resistant strains of diseases came about because of indiscriminate and reckless use of antibiotics and antiseptics. The solution is not to use even more.


Did it develop a resistance to methicillin because of antiseptic use?  That doesn't make sense.
 
2013-05-31 02:01:13 PM
Another thing to bill you for...
 
2013-05-31 02:12:01 PM
Stand by for Super-Duper MRSA
 
2013-05-31 02:13:16 PM
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2013-05-31 02:15:54 PM

basemetal: Yeah, sounds good until they become resistant to that too.


Yep
 
2013-05-31 02:17:07 PM

Bathia_Mapes: basemetal: Yeah, sounds good until they become resistant to that too.

Yep


I'm sure there'll be an expensive pill/treatment to be able to handle it. No worries.
 
2013-05-31 02:23:33 PM
Yogurt enemas all around...

/ Fight biotics with PRO-biotics
// I can't eat 15 gallons of yogurt
 
2013-05-31 02:23:50 PM
Had it twice. Once in the wrist and then in the butt check.

We are all doomed.
 
2013-05-31 02:25:05 PM
I'm glad they're at least focusing resources on cutting down hospital-sourced infections.  My brother got a staph infection during knee surgery that damn near killed him, and my wife's grandfather was basically taken out by a hospital-sourced c.diff infection among other old-man problems.
 
2013-05-31 02:38:05 PM
I know, let's use Gamma Rays!
 
2013-05-31 02:40:42 PM
I like the antiseptic wipes idea. The antibiotic nose ointment sounds like trouble in the long run, though. There's got to be a better way.

For example, have someone watch the doctors wash their damn hands before going from patient to patient. Apparently, studies show that nurses get it, but doctors don't. My guess is that the MDs are too damned full of themselves to walk through an SOP for hand washing.
 
2013-05-31 02:51:11 PM

factoryconnection: I'm glad they're at least focusing resources on cutting down hospital-sourced infections.  My brother got a staph infection during knee surgery that damn near killed him, and my wife's grandfather was basically taken out by a hospital-sourced c.diff infection among other old-man problems.


Some infectious strains are already becoming resistant to alcohol based sanitizers. We're fighting a losing battle here.
 
2013-05-31 02:56:08 PM

RexTalionis: Shiatty idea. MRSA and other drug-resistant strains of diseases came about because of indiscriminate and reckless use of antibiotics and antiseptics. The solution is not to use even more.


this
 
2013-05-31 02:58:03 PM
Look it up yourself but there is the newish copper clad operating room and a new portable UV sterilizer apparatus that does an entire room in a short time(no people present).

/The chlorine in your water industry doesn't like pro-biotic companies telling you that chlorinated water why you should use pro-biotics.
 
2013-05-31 03:11:19 PM
Stupid idea. The vast majority of hospital infections are caused by staff not doing proper hand washing etc. they should routinely swab staff that work in hospitals to see which staff are carrying the organisms. I'm pretty sure the biggest reason they don't is that Workers comp and lawsuits would be horrible.
 
2013-05-31 03:16:22 PM
Decontamination by irradiation?
 
2013-05-31 03:18:57 PM
bad idea.  Its generally the doctors and the nurses spreading it.  not the patients.
 
2013-05-31 03:19:11 PM

RedVentrue: factoryconnection: I'm glad they're at least focusing resources on cutting down hospital-sourced infections.  My brother got a staph infection during knee surgery that damn near killed him, and my wife's grandfather was basically taken out by a hospital-sourced c.diff infection among other old-man problems.

Some infectious strains are already becoming resistant to alcohol based sanitizers. We're fighting a losing battle here.


I seriously doubt they are becoming resistant to being set on fire
 
2013-05-31 03:24:03 PM
I'm hoping that there's some tradeoff involved in MRSA's resistance process that we can utilize against it. Like, if MRSA can denature some nasty part of the penicillin toxin through a novel protein cascade, maybe that protein cascade puts it at risk to another environmental toxin that normal S aureus doesn't notice.
 
2013-05-31 03:29:50 PM
orderly,  stop that man from entering this hospital,
I don't care about his sucking chest wound, he has to take a bath first,
use the floral towels and scrub behind his ears.
 
2013-05-31 03:48:17 PM
Gonna disinfect this keyboard after reading this. MRSA is just too creepy.
 
2013-05-31 03:48:44 PM

nursedude: Stupid idea. The vast majority of hospital infections are caused by staff not doing proper hand washing etc. they should routinely swab staff that work in hospitals to see which staff are carrying the organisms. I'm pretty sure the biggest reason they don't is that Workers comp and lawsuits would be horrible.


Some hospitals have installed video cameras and then outsourced the monitoring of  them to India to ensure that doctors wash their hands. Hospital workers wash their hands as little as 30 percent of the time they interact with patients
 
2013-05-31 03:49:38 PM
First off, we as humans are too dependent on 'good' bacteria. Kill all of it, you you cause harm, a LOT of it in some cases, to patients.

Second, if you want to stop MRSA, then stop antibacterializing everything and ensure the farking doctors wash their hands thoroughly between each and every patient, like most nurses do.

My bill is in the mail.
 
2013-05-31 03:50:04 PM

HairBolus: nursedude: Stupid idea. The vast majority of hospital infections are caused by staff not doing proper hand washing etc. they should routinely swab staff that work in hospitals to see which staff are carrying the organisms. I'm pretty sure the biggest reason they don't is that Workers comp and lawsuits would be horrible.

Some hospitals have installed video cameras and then outsourced the monitoring of  them to India to ensure that doctors wash their hands. Hospital workers wash their hands as little as 30 percent of the time they interact with patients


Came to say /\this/\.
 
2013-05-31 03:54:37 PM
All you're really doing is eliminating competition for any harmful virus or bacteria. When one shows up, as they often do in hospitals, they'll spread like wildfire. The less sterile something is, the harder it is for some new thing to survive there. We might actually be better off covering everything in bacteria and viruses we all have immunities to.
 
2013-05-31 03:58:26 PM
Why don't they have UV spectrum lights all over the hospital anyway, just to kill most organisms anyway?
 
2013-05-31 04:05:33 PM

Bravo Two: Why don't they have UV spectrum lights all over the hospital anyway, just to kill most organisms anyway?


They don't have enough facilities to do wholesale cataract surgery.
 
2013-05-31 04:13:55 PM

Bravo Two: Why don't they have UV spectrum lights all over the hospital anyway, just to kill most organisms anyway?


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2013-05-31 04:16:35 PM

kvinesknows: bad idea. Its generally the doctors and the nurses spreading it. not the patients.


The doctors and nurses who spread it tend to get it from... wait for it... the patients.

As the article says, this method was infective in reducing the occurrence of bloodstream infection by 40%. The reason it's a bad idea is because of the chance of new resistant strains, not because it is ineffective.
 
2013-05-31 04:17:55 PM

thurstonxhowell: kvinesknows: bad idea. Its generally the doctors and the nurses spreading it. not the patients.

The doctors and nurses who spread it tend to get it from... wait for it... the patients.

As the article says, this method was infective in reducing the occurrence of bloodstream infection by 40%. The reason it's a bad idea is because of the chance of new resistant strains, not because it is ineffective.



the doctors and nurses bring it into the hospital FAR more often than the patients.
 
2013-05-31 04:20:44 PM

kvinesknows: thurstonxhowell: kvinesknows: bad idea. Its generally the doctors and the nurses spreading it. not the patients.

The doctors and nurses who spread it tend to get it from... wait for it... the patients.

As the article says, this method was infective in reducing the occurrence of bloodstream infection by 40%. The reason it's a bad idea is because of the chance of new resistant strains, not because it is ineffective.


the doctors and nurses bring it into the hospital FAR more often than the patients.


Don't you hate it when you get off work and go to the supermarket and see people in their scrubs food shopping?  It's a pet peeve of mine.  Everytime I see that, I just want to smack the person upside the head.
 
2013-05-31 04:21:51 PM
Antiseptics aren't as likely to create resistance as antibiotics, but then again, those sound like famous last words.
 
2013-05-31 04:23:19 PM

kvinesknows: thurstonxhowell: kvinesknows: bad idea. Its generally the doctors and the nurses spreading it. not the patients.

The doctors and nurses who spread it tend to get it from... wait for it... the patients.

As the article says, this method was infective in reducing the occurrence of bloodstream infection by 40%. The reason it's a bad idea is because of the chance of new resistant strains, not because it is ineffective.


the doctors and nurses bring it into the hospital FAR more often than the patients.


The last time I was involved in tracking a hospital-borne infection, both sources were patients. Then, either a ventilator or a doctor moved it from patient to patient.
 
2013-05-31 04:29:31 PM

aerojockey: Antiseptics aren't as likely to create resistance as antibiotics, but then again, those sound like famous last words.


Depends on what's in them, I'd say. If it's an alcohol wipe, nothing's going to develop resistance to that.
 
2013-05-31 04:31:44 PM

RexTalionis: Shiatty idea. MRSA and other drug-resistant strains of diseases came about because of indiscriminate and reckless use of antibiotics and antiseptics. The solution is not to use even more.


Came here to say this.

Zavulon: aerojockey: Antiseptics aren't as likely to create resistance as antibiotics, but then again, those sound like famous last words.

Depends on what's in them, I'd say. If it's an alcohol wipe, nothing's going to develop resistance to that.


Alcohol wipes don't decontaminate or disinfect.
 
2013-05-31 04:33:32 PM

PsyLord: kvinesknows: thurstonxhowell: kvinesknows: bad idea. Its generally the doctors and the nurses spreading it. not the patients.

The doctors and nurses who spread it tend to get it from... wait for it... the patients.

As the article says, this method was infective in reducing the occurrence of bloodstream infection by 40%. The reason it's a bad idea is because of the chance of new resistant strains, not because it is ineffective.


the doctors and nurses bring it into the hospital FAR more often than the patients.

Don't you hate it when you get off work and go to the supermarket and see people in their scrubs food shopping?  It's a pet peeve of mine.  Everytime I see that, I just want to smack the person upside the head.


or out on a smoke break and then coming back in to hospital..
 
2013-05-31 04:40:46 PM

PsyLord: kvinesknows: thurstonxhowell: kvinesknows: bad idea. Its generally the doctors and the nurses spreading it. not the patients.

The doctors and nurses who spread it tend to get it from... wait for it... the patients.

As the article says, this method was infective in reducing the occurrence of bloodstream infection by 40%. The reason it's a bad idea is because of the chance of new resistant strains, not because it is ineffective.


the doctors and nurses bring it into the hospital FAR more often than the patients.

Don't you hate it when you get off work and go to the supermarket and see people in their scrubs food shopping?  It's a pet peeve of mine.  Everytime I see that, I just want to smack the person upside the head.


I suspect those are people on their way home, not on their way to work.  Is it just the dorkiness of seeing people shopping in pajamas that makes you want to smack them?
 
2013-05-31 04:50:09 PM

raygundan: PsyLord: kvinesknows: thurstonxhowell: kvinesknows: bad idea. Its generally the doctors and the nurses spreading it. not the patients.

The doctors and nurses who spread it tend to get it from... wait for it... the patients.

As the article says, this method was infective in reducing the occurrence of bloodstream infection by 40%. The reason it's a bad idea is because of the chance of new resistant strains, not because it is ineffective.


the doctors and nurses bring it into the hospital FAR more often than the patients.

Don't you hate it when you get off work and go to the supermarket and see people in their scrubs food shopping?  It's a pet peeve of mine.  Everytime I see that, I just want to smack the person upside the head.

I suspect those are people on their way home, not on their way to work.  Is it just the dorkiness of seeing people shopping in pajamas that makes you want to smack them?


probably the fact that they are bring the hospital crap out into the real world that would be the problem
 
2013-05-31 04:53:50 PM

raygundan: PsyLord: kvinesknows: thurstonxhowell: kvinesknows: bad idea. Its generally the doctors and the nurses spreading it. not the patients.

The doctors and nurses who spread it tend to get it from... wait for it... the patients.

As the article says, this method was infective in reducing the occurrence of bloodstream infection by 40%. The reason it's a bad idea is because of the chance of new resistant strains, not because it is ineffective.


the doctors and nurses bring it into the hospital FAR more often than the patients.

Don't you hate it when you get off work and go to the supermarket and see people in their scrubs food shopping?  It's a pet peeve of mine.  Everytime I see that, I just want to smack the person upside the head.

I suspect those are people on their way home, not on their way to work.  Is it just the dorkiness of seeing people shopping in pajamas that makes you want to smack them?


That's kinda of the point, methinks. 8 hours, clinic full of sick people coughing/farting/sneezing on them, wandering around food store....
 
2013-05-31 04:59:38 PM
The opposite is actually working already in Norway.  I think I saw this on Fark originally:

January 3, 2010 in Nation/World
Norway's MRSA solution
Fewer antibiotics keep killer superbug from becoming an epidemic

There is no sign of a dangerous and contagious staph infection that killed tens of thousands of patients in the most sophisticated hospitals of Europe, North America and Asia this year, soaring virtually unchecked.

 The reason: Norwegians stopped taking so many drugs.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/jan/03/norways-mrsa-solution/
 
2013-05-31 05:21:07 PM

Zavulon: aerojockey: Antiseptics aren't as likely to create resistance as antibiotics, but then again, those sound like famous last words.

Depends on what's in them, I'd say. If it's an alcohol wipe, nothing's going to develop resistance to that.


Roughly speaking, antibiotics work by targeting and killing only selected cells (in most cases, prokaryotes).  Antiseptics work by poison everything around them and trusting macroscopic creatures to survive because the dosage is too small to kill it.  (I guess I'm probably confusing antiseptic with disinfectant.)

Because of this, there are a lot more options for antiseptics/disinfectants/whatever.  You are free to choose poison that partially hurts the macroscopic host, at very high dosage levels (for the bacteria).  The poison is likely to attack some things fundamental to how all cells work because collateral damage is somewhat acceptable.  So it can be harder for bacteria to evolve resistance to a much more powerful attack.  But again, famous last words.
 
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