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2013-05-31 03:19:51 AM  
Holy crap I had a Pavlovian response to the stock photo of the finger prick in the article.  I recoiled and then got angry.
 
2013-05-31 06:02:31 AM  
NewsFlash: Every damn thing you put in your mouth will eventually kill you.  Even if you lived in a test lab and only ate super dooper healthy food while being monitored by a team of doctors, you'd only live a few years more than anybody else.  All that means is more time in the nursing home waiting to die.

Screw you, I'll eat what I want and die on my own terms rather than eat and live like a slave.
 
2013-05-31 06:28:42 AM  
This study brought to you by the Nutrasweet Foundation.
 
2013-05-31 09:10:06 AM  
So vote Corn Syrup.
 
2013-05-31 09:13:52 AM  

Elvis_Bogart: Screw you, I'll eat what I want and die on my own terms rather than eat and live like a slave.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-31 09:47:36 AM  

Elvis_Bogart: NewsFlash: Every damn thing you put in your mouth will eventually kill you.


Oh yeah? What if I sucked Ponce de León's cock, huh?
 
2013-05-31 10:18:06 AM  

Diogenes: So vote Corn Syrup.


Mountain Dew Throwback and Mexican Coke, FTW.
 
2013-05-31 10:21:19 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Elvis_Bogart: NewsFlash: Every damn thing you put in your mouth will eventually kill you.

Oh yeah? What if I sucked Ponce de León's cock, huh?


Would that work?
 
2013-05-31 10:22:18 AM  
This is from the Daily Mail, so take it with a grain of salt. Which will raise your blood pressure.
 
2013-05-31 10:23:15 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Diogenes: So vote Corn Syrup.

Mountain Dew Throwback and Mexican Coke, FTW.


Dew Throwback is too flat.  Mexican Coke on the other hand is full of win.
 
2013-05-31 10:23:31 AM  
Speaking as a diabetic who has watched everything he has ever enjoyed eating get ripped away from him.

CAN WE JUST CATCH A farkING BREAK FROM THE farkING FOOD INDUSTRY!!???!

Seriously, fark you.
 
2013-05-31 10:23:36 AM  
I believe this study whereas I doubt the ones saying purely artificial sweeteners raise insulin.
 
2013-05-31 10:24:14 AM  
17 people is a small study. I'll wait for a more comprehensive study to panic.
 
2013-05-31 10:24:23 AM  
Oh shiat, get ready for the Facebook health brigade postings!
 
2013-05-31 10:24:25 AM  
there is a cabal of devils that are continuously poisoning us 24-7-365 monsanto being the worst they intend to accomplish agenda 21 via gmo cancer trust me it is true.
 
2013-05-31 10:25:05 AM  
Life: still the leading cause of death
 
2013-05-31 10:25:30 AM  
given that I've been having some weird issues lately, I'm certainly going to try cutting splenda out and seeing if that helps.  Still, I need something sweet in my coffee or I'll have to shoot myself in the face...
 
2013-05-31 10:25:47 AM  
corn syrup is made from gmo corn it is to be avoided!
 
2013-05-31 10:26:08 AM  

fredsnake: there is a cabal of devils that are continuously poisoning us 24-7-365 monsanto being the worst they intend to accomplish agenda 21 via gmo cancer trust me it is true.


Is this English?
 
2013-05-31 10:28:07 AM  

fredsnake: there is a cabal of devils that are continuously poisoning us 24-7-365 monsanto being the worst they intend to accomplish agenda 21 via gmo cancer trust me it is true.


fredsnake: corn syrup is made from gmo corn it is to be avoided!


So are run-on sentences, but that's not important right now.
 
2013-05-31 10:28:44 AM  
you can live to be 100 if you stop doing all of the things that make you wish you could live to 100
 
2013-05-31 10:28:53 AM  

ShavedApe: fredsnake: there is a cabal of devils that are continuously poisoning us 24-7-365 monsanto being the worst they intend to accomplish agenda 21 via gmo cancer trust me it is true.

Is this English?


It isn't normal English. But it is on Meth....
 
2013-05-31 10:29:27 AM  

orclover: Speaking as a diabetic who has watched everything he has ever enjoyed eating get ripped away from him.

CAN WE JUST CATCH A farkING BREAK FROM THE farkING FOOD INDUSTRY!!???!

Seriously, fark you.


?  You're a diabetic, your body is trying to kill itself.  For most of human history you'd be a footnote in some family's cemetery.

I have a similar issue in which my body tries to clot my blood for no real reason increasing the chance for PE and stroke.  I have to take meds everyday to stay alive.    Be thankful that you're able to complain instead of being buried by now.   Yep, sometimes science gets it wrong and some people suffer, but it's still the best thing going.
 
2013-05-31 10:29:32 AM  
I read that Stevia is the best choice. Probably causes ass cancer.
 
2013-05-31 10:30:09 AM  
Study participants: BMI > 40%. Alert me when the signs point to dangers for the non-obese.

Sucralose hate is lots more fun when it's about the conspiracy theories involving chlorination.

If your great-grandparents didn't raise it, grow it and eat it back in their day, you can probably live a smidge better by going without it. Then again, they're still dead - and someday you will be, too. All you can do is aim for a good dietary balance, exercise, have routine sex with someone you love and hope for the best.
 
2013-05-31 10:31:11 AM  
Did you know that if you drink water, you can die?

I mean, you have to do so in amounts that no person would consume under normal circumstances, and that the body will tell you to stop, but it's true, man. Why is the city water department trying to kill me? I DEMAND ANSWERS.
 
2013-05-31 10:35:22 AM  

lewismarktwo: I believe this study whereas I doubt the ones saying purely artificial sweeteners raise insulin.


Reliable lab results indicate that just anticipating a high-carbohydrate meal causes a rise in insulin even before you start eating, so why is it implausible that the body has either a conditioned or innate insulin response to the taste of sweetness?
 
2013-05-31 10:42:18 AM  
Is there a link to the actual study?  I cannot find it on my Google skills.  All I can find is about 30 natural news type sites repeating the same article referencing a Diabetes Care article.

I did however find this...from 1996
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/19/9/1004.short

Single high dose of sucralose was given and...
"CONCLUSIONS The present results support the conclusion that sucralose consumption does not adversely affect short-term blood glucose control in patients with diabetes.  "
 
2013-05-31 10:44:18 AM  
I've been drinking artificial sweeteners since they were invented, sometimes in large quantities. If TAB didn't kill me or give me diabetes, artificial sweetener #454 probably isn't going to do it either.

/ I might sound fat, but I'm not.
 
2013-05-31 10:44:33 AM  
The problem with artificial sweeteners is that they still make you react as if it is sugar.....the end result is that   sugar from things like vegetables will be absorbed when they otherwise wouldn't have been.  The overall results are the same as drinking sugared crap.
 
2013-05-31 10:47:46 AM  
Eat real food in reasonable quantities and get some exercise. I hear that prevents diabeetus and controls it if you already have it. Or just keep eating crap. Whatever.
 
2013-05-31 10:53:06 AM  

www.freewebs.com


SUGAR!!!!!

 
2013-05-31 10:53:34 AM  
I've already got diabetes so it's fine to eat it, right?
 
2013-05-31 10:56:41 AM  

buckets_of_fun: Is there a link to the actual study?  I cannot find it on my Google skills.  All I can find is about 30 natural news type sites repeating the same article referencing a Diabetes Care article.

I did however find this...from 1996
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/19/9/1004.short

Single high dose of sucralose was given and...
"CONCLUSIONS The present results support the conclusion that sucralose consumption does not adversely affect short-term blood glucose control in patients with diabetes.  "


Use Google Scholar. Here it is, might not be open access:

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/30/dc12-2221. sh ort
 
2013-05-31 11:00:41 AM  

ShavedApe: fredsnake: there is a cabal of devils that are continuously poisoning us 24-7-365 monsanto being the worst they intend to accomplish agenda 21 via gmo cancer trust me it is true.

Is this English?


You've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It's just common sense
 
2013-05-31 11:05:12 AM  

phlegmmo: fredsnake: there is a cabal of devils that are continuously poisoning us 24-7-365 monsanto being the worst they intend to accomplish agenda 21 via gmo cancer trust me it is true.

fredsnake: corn syrup is made from gmo corn it is to be avoided!

So are run-on sentences, but that's not important right now.


Punctuation is just another way for the fascist UN to control and censor our speech, man.  Free your mind with illiteracy!  Free it!

Illiteracy is FREEDOM!

Illiteracy is FREEDOM!

Illiteracy is FREEDOM!
 
2013-05-31 11:06:08 AM  

pseudoscience: buckets_of_fun: Is there a link to the actual study?  I cannot find it on my Google skills.  All I can find is about 30 natural news type sites repeating the same article referencing a Diabetes Care article.

I did however find this...from 1996
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/19/9/1004.short

Single high dose of sucralose was given and...
"CONCLUSIONS The present results support the conclusion that sucralose consumption does not adversely affect short-term blood glucose control in patients with diabetes.  "

Use Google Scholar. Here it is, might not be open access:

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/30/dc12-2221. sh ort


Appreciated!
 
2013-05-31 11:07:52 AM  

amquelbettamin: ShavedApe: fredsnake: there is a cabal of devils that are continuously poisoning us 24-7-365 monsanto being the worst they intend to accomplish agenda 21 via gmo cancer trust me it is true.

Is this English?

You've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It's just common sense


meow said the dog post-cerebral vascular incident.
 
2013-05-31 11:13:37 AM  
Kind of a moot point there.

The only people I know who use sugar substitutes like Splenda, Equal, Sweet N Low, etc, are already DIABETICS on insulin already.
 
2013-05-31 11:13:57 AM  

Elvis_Bogart: NewsFlash: Every damn thing you put in your mouth will eventually kill you.  Even if you lived in a test lab and only ate super dooper healthy food while being monitored by a team of doctors, you'd only live a few years more than anybody else.  All that means is more time in the nursing home waiting to die.

Screw you, I'll eat what I want and die on my own terms rather than eat and live like a slave.


Acknowledging this fact makes eating a whole lot easier.
 
2013-05-31 11:18:09 AM  
All those poor saps who believe all the anti-sugar propaganda deserve it.
 
2013-05-31 11:19:50 AM  
Elvis_Bogart: "All that means is more time in the nursing home waiting to die."

From what I've seen, it doesn't work that way.  Unless you're banking on a massive cardiac arrest at 60 and a DNR order.
(otherwise even heart attacks won't help you.  hospitals are pretty good at bringing you back from that. over and over.  until you start stroking out instead.)

What actually seems to happen, is the 'bad' years at the end of your life just move down the scale as your life expectancy drops.
So if you 'would' have lived to 89, but developed hip trouble at 80, being an unhealthy lout just means your hips go to shiat at 70 and your dying at 79 didn't spare you a thing.

Which lines up pretty well with what everyone sees when they look at heavy smokers and drinkers and bad eaters: they look far older than they are.  They've made problems for themselves that healthier people don't have.  They aren't dodging bad years.  They're speeding toward them.

Now, there's definitely an argument that a bit of fun today is worth the price.  And a very good argument that a well-lived life is better than a monastic pursuit of some longevity high score.
But "I'll never actually have to pay any price, because I'll die early! hahaha" is not that argument.
 
2013-05-31 11:23:43 AM  
Just diabetes? I'm in no way a natural health food nut, but I have to admit that sucralose was the first thing I started to read about and actively avoid when I noticed that certain drinks would give me headaches.
 
2013-05-31 11:30:41 AM  
oh come on, did you really believe that an ARTIFICIAL sweetener would be the better choice than what nature provides?
 
2013-05-31 11:34:56 AM  
That's it! I farking give up.
 
2013-05-31 11:37:21 AM  

Elvis_Bogart: NewsFlash: Every damn thing you put in your mouth will eventually kill you.  Even if you lived in a test lab and only ate super dooper healthy food while being monitored by a team of doctors, you'd only live a few years more than anybody else.  All that means is more time in the nursing home waiting to die.

Screw you, I'll eat what I want and die on my own terms rather than eat and live like a slave.


Eh. I've seen family members get sick and die from colon cancer (my uncle for instance, I never saw eat a green vegetable in his life, so the diagnosis was no surprise really). Basically, I'll take my healthy foods and you can have your twice fried burritos.
 
2013-05-31 11:47:23 AM  

buckets_of_fun: Mad_Radhu: Diogenes: So vote Corn Syrup.

Mountain Dew Throwback and Mexican Coke, FTW.

Dew Throwback is too flat.  Mexican Coke on the other hand is full of win.


I have to retest the Dew one now, I honestly don't remember it being that way. I'm pretty ambivalent to Mexican Coke myself, it doesn't jump out at me as better or worse.
 
2013-05-31 11:51:21 AM  

ac982000: oh come on, did you really believe that an ARTIFICIAL sweetener would be the better choice than what nature provides?


"Nature" doesn't provide raw sugar, much less HFCS, and didn't really even provide the very-sweet fruits we've bred over the last few hundred years.  Our bodies are tuned to expect small amounts of sugar, embedded in lots of fiber and water, for a few months a year.
 
2013-05-31 11:54:21 AM  

undernova: Study participants: BMI > 40%. Alert me when the signs point to dangers for the non-obese.

Sucralose hate is lots more fun when it's about the conspiracy theories involving chlorination.

If your great-grandparents didn't raise it, grow it and eat it back in their day, you can probably live a smidge better by going without it. Then again, they're still dead - and someday you will be, too. All you can do is aim for a good dietary balance, exercise, have routine sex with someone you love and hope for the best.


Does it have to be with someone I love? That's pretty much down to my great aunt Sally.
 
2013-05-31 11:55:16 AM  
FTA: "It has been thought that artificial sweeteners, such as sucralose, don't have an effect on metabolism. "

Now that right there is an example of total bullchit.
While true the lie was manufactured and spread by the sociopathic, profiteering food industry for profit, anyone with any chemistry skills, knows better. The information has simply been repressed in the lay media.

Sugars your body cannot use(everything except glucose) is stored as fat until your liver can detoxify it.
DETOXIFY
Calories come from actual science, one cc of water raised 1 degree C. Sugar your body cannot use is 0 calorie because it cannot be metabolized(burned), but not 0 fat production. It did not release any energy, but still turned to fat.
Table sugar is only half glucose. Glucose is bitter, not sweet.

There is no artificial sweetener fairy that makes it just go away after you consume it.
 
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