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(ThePostGame)   Football Player Raising Money For Documentary In Push For NCAA Reforms: "my future medical costs will likely outweigh the monetary benefits of my free education"   (thepostgame.com) divider line 78
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2013-05-30 02:53:38 PM  
Perhaps....maybe.....don't play football, then?
 
2013-05-30 02:54:04 PM  
Anyone who doesn't realize that competitive football leaves you broke and retarded was one of those things to begin with.
 
2013-05-30 02:55:01 PM  
Player for USC from 1997-2001? You sure he's not trying to get back at Pete Carroll?
 
2013-05-30 02:57:09 PM  
I guess it depends on what you do with that education then, doesn't it?  If you're calculating the value of an education as tuition of $11500 per year times four years, then you may be right.  If you calculate it as an additional $35000 in salary per year for the rest of your life, you're almost certainly wrong.
 
2013-05-30 02:59:57 PM  
Get sports out of colleges.
 
2013-05-30 03:00:32 PM  
Reform? Hopefully Ed O'Bannon destroys the NCAA entirely
 
2013-05-30 03:01:11 PM  

Yes please: I guess it depends on what you do with that education then, doesn't it?  If you're calculating the value of an education as tuition of $11500 per year times four years, then you may be right.  If you calculate it as an additional $35000 in salary per year for the rest of your life, you're almost certainly wrong.


We should probably look to history as a starting point for an accurate formula.

How was room and board calculated for Negros between 1789 and 1865?
 
2013-05-30 03:03:33 PM  

rjakobi: Player for USC from 1997-2001? You sure he's not trying to get back at Pete Carroll?


He only played one season under Carroll (who didn't join USC 'til fall of 2001).
Here's his background in case anyone is interested.
 
2013-05-30 03:08:51 PM  

MFAWG: Yes please: I guess it depends on what you do with that education then, doesn't it?  If you're calculating the value of an education as tuition of $11500 per year times four years, then you may be right.  If you calculate it as an additional $35000 in salary per year for the rest of your life, you're almost certainly wrong.

We should probably look to history as a starting point for an accurate formula.

How was room and board calculated for Negros between 1789 and 1865?


Are you equating playing football and getting a free college education to slavery?  I seriously hope I'm wrong here.
 
2013-05-30 03:10:51 PM  
This guy got the dream facilities, assistance where needed for education to keep his eligibility, probably had the opportunity to bang many of the best looking sluts on USC campus and now he wants to biatch about how debilitating his monetary situation is going to be for consciously accepting the offer to play a contact sport at the next to highest level?   Boo farking hoo.  You could have gotten a jobby-job and paid for your school instead.
 
2013-05-30 03:20:44 PM  

moanerific: MFAWG: Yes please: I guess it depends on what you do with that education then, doesn't it?  If you're calculating the value of an education as tuition of $11500 per year times four years, then you may be right.  If you calculate it as an additional $35000 in salary per year for the rest of your life, you're almost certainly wrong.

We should probably look to history as a starting point for an accurate formula.

How was room and board calculated for Negros between 1789 and 1865?

Are you equating playing football and getting a free college education to slavery?  I seriously hope I'm wrong here.


I'm equating working without being compensated with something tangible with slavery. You bet your ass.

Admittedly, the equation falls somewhat short. But the fact that the comparison makes the usual suspects squeamish to the point of agitation is telling.
 
2013-05-30 03:23:19 PM  

The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.


The real solution.  It's idiotic to use college as a route to professional sports.
 
2013-05-30 03:25:37 PM  

MFAWG: I'm equating working without being compensated with something tangible with slavery. You bet your ass.


I wouldn't say they're working WITHOUT being compensated. They are however in several cases working without liquid and fair market-value compensation.

But, it doesn't matter. Because I'm still paying for my own college education, I'm supposed* to be outraged at these uppity athletes for having the audacity to be very talented at a highly marketable skill yet having their earning potential capped at arbitrary points in their lifetime.

/but I'm not
 
2013-05-30 03:27:24 PM  

MFAWG: moanerific: MFAWG: Yes please: I guess it depends on what you do with that education then, doesn't it?  If you're calculating the value of an education as tuition of $11500 per year times four years, then you may be right.  If you calculate it as an additional $35000 in salary per year for the rest of your life, you're almost certainly wrong.

We should probably look to history as a starting point for an accurate formula.

How was room and board calculated for Negros between 1789 and 1865?

Are you equating playing football and getting a free college education to slavery?  I seriously hope I'm wrong here.

I'm equating working without being compensated with something tangible with slavery. You bet your ass.

Admittedly, the equation falls somewhat short. But the fact that the comparison makes the usual suspects squeamish to the point of agitation is telling.


Sorry, I completely disagree.  They are being compensated:  Free Tuition, private tutoring, free room & board, meal plans, healthcare while they are on the team.  Just because they aren't getting a paycheck doesn't mean they are working for free.

How many students have to go horribly into debt to get what these guys are getting?  Hell, I had to go to the Middle East for a year long vacation to get help with school and still had student loans.
 
2013-05-30 03:31:02 PM  

MFAWG: I'm equating working without being compensated with something tangible with slavery. You bet your ass.


Working without tangible compensation doesn't equate to slavery.  I do it all the time.  Being forced to work, with or without compensation, may, to an arguable extent.  That's clearly not what's going on here.
 
2013-05-30 03:32:04 PM  

moanerific: Sorry, I completely disagree. They are being compensated: Free Tuition, private tutoring, free room & board, meal plans, healthcare while they are on the team. Just because they aren't getting a paycheck doesn't mean they are working for free.


I can point you to many a KKK meeting/CPAC convention that will tell you the exact same thing about slavery
 
2013-05-30 03:32:44 PM  
Tuition and room and board etc are not compensation. The NCAA themselves argued this in court so they wouldn't have to pay worker's comp to injured athletes, and they won.

College athletes aren't slaves but they are damn sure being exploited.
 
2013-05-30 03:33:33 PM  

moanerific: How many students have to go horribly into debt to get what these guys are getting?


I did, and I still think the NCAA is a farking joke and I hope Ed O'Bannon brings it down.

While I was playing video games and masturbating after class, they were running wind sprints in foul weather to get ready to play in a game that will raise thousands of dollars in direct ticket revenue, let alone television and other media revenue, while seeing not a percentage of it actually in their pockets.

This isn't jock-sniffing, it's simply realizing "that guy over here was more valuable to this institution than I was." I'm not going to get butthurt over this; If someone is getting paid, god bless 'em.
 
2013-05-30 03:36:28 PM  

Lost Thought 00: moanerific: Sorry, I completely disagree. They are being compensated: Free Tuition, private tutoring, free room & board, meal plans, healthcare while they are on the team. Just because they aren't getting a paycheck doesn't mean they are working for free.

I can point you to many a KKK meeting/CPAC convention that will tell you the exact same thing about slavery


Hey bud, I know you're trying to play the racist angle here, but I'm talking about ALL student athletes on full rides.

Plenty of white dudes play on scholarships for a bunch of different sports, they get the same benefits.
 
2013-05-30 03:37:38 PM  

Yes please: MFAWG: I'm equating working without being compensated with something tangible with slavery. You bet your ass.

Working without tangible compensation doesn't equate to slavery.  I do it all the time.  Being forced to work, with or without compensation, may, to an arguable extent.  That's clearly not what's going on here.


At least somebody can read.

The people putting on the show don't get paid with something they can turn around and immediately exchange for another product or service

Then add in that for a lot of these kids it's pretty much their best shot at a better life than the one they came from, and it starts to resemble the type of indentured servitude that's been illegal for over a century.
 
2013-05-30 03:38:31 PM  

moanerific: MFAWG: moanerific: MFAWG: Yes please: I guess it depends on what you do with that education then, doesn't it?  If you're calculating the value of an education as tuition of $11500 per year times four years, then you may be right.  If you calculate it as an additional $35000 in salary per year for the rest of your life, you're almost certainly wrong.

We should probably look to history as a starting point for an accurate formula.

How was room and board calculated for Negros between 1789 and 1865?

Are you equating playing football and getting a free college education to slavery?  I seriously hope I'm wrong here.

I'm equating working without being compensated with something tangible with slavery. You bet your ass.

Admittedly, the equation falls somewhat short. But the fact that the comparison makes the usual suspects squeamish to the point of agitation is telling.

Sorry, I completely disagree.  They are being compensated:  Free Tuition, private tutoring, free room & board, meal plans, healthcare while they are on the team.  Just because they aren't getting a paycheck doesn't mean they are working for free.

How many students have to go horribly into debt to get what these guys are getting?  Hell, I had to go to the Middle East for a year long vacation to get help with school and still had student loans.


And just because the school tells you those things are worth 15, 20, or 25 grand a year doesn't mean they actually are worth that and that the athletes should shut up already about the millions they generate.

Not to mention most of those things are provided to keep the athlete producing for the program. The schools don't do it out of the kindness of their hearts...they offer healthcare to keep the playrs playing (and amazingly it ends immediately if they stop playing), they give them training so they play better and earn the program more money, and they give them a meal plan because they gotta eat if they're going to cripple themselves for our amusement.

The actual value of the things provided as "compensation" (the hours of college credit) is completely determined by the school and offered on a take it or leave it basis. You can't say "hey no thanks, I don't really want to take 12 credits a semester of BS courses to stay eligible, I'll just take that in cash." And until that option exists, they're being exploited. The school determines what compensation you're getting and then tells you it is totally worth $40,000 a year, they swear.

Sorry about your luck in having to pay for school yourself. Perhaps if you were talented enough at something to generate money for your school, they'd have paid your way, too.
 
2013-05-30 03:44:59 PM  

js34603: moanerific: MFAWG: moanerific: MFAWG: Yes please: I guess it depends on what you do with that education then, doesn't it?  If you're calculating the value of an education as tuition of $11500 per year times four years, then you may be right.  If you calculate it as an additional $35000 in salary per year for the rest of your life, you're almost certainly wrong.

We should probably look to history as a starting point for an accurate formula.

How was room and board calculated for Negros between 1789 and 1865?

Are you equating playing football and getting a free college education to slavery?  I seriously hope I'm wrong here.

I'm equating working without being compensated with something tangible with slavery. You bet your ass.

Admittedly, the equation falls somewhat short. But the fact that the comparison makes the usual suspects squeamish to the point of agitation is telling.

Sorry, I completely disagree.  They are being compensated:  Free Tuition, private tutoring, free room & board, meal plans, healthcare while they are on the team.  Just because they aren't getting a paycheck doesn't mean they are working for free.

How many students have to go horribly into debt to get what these guys are getting?  Hell, I had to go to the Middle East for a year long vacation to get help with school and still had student loans.

And just because the school tells you those things are worth 15, 20, or 25 grand a year doesn't mean they actually are worth that and that the athletes should shut up already about the millions they generate.

Not to mention most of those things are provided to keep the athlete producing for the program. The schools don't do it out of the kindness of their hearts...they offer healthcare to keep the playrs playing (and amazingly it ends immediately if they stop playing), they give them training so they play better and earn the program more money, and they give them a meal plan because they gotta eat if they're going to cripple themselves for our amuseme ...


I'm all for letting these guys get a chunk of the ridiculous money NCAA makes, but they shouldn't be getting a free school ride too.  Maybe the NCAA and the schools should be required to invest some of that money back into the schools to lower the tuition for all the students.

Of course hell freezing over is more likely.
 
2013-05-30 03:50:28 PM  

moanerific: I'm all for letting these guys get a chunk of the ridiculous money NCAA makes, but they shouldn't be getting a free school ride too. Maybe the NCAA and the schools should be required to invest some of that money back into the schools to lower the tuition for all the students.

Of course hell freezing over is more likely.


The whole thing should be illegal.  If I'm an 18 year old phenom who's awesome at football.  A college offers me a scholarship to play for their school, but I can't play in the NFL due to their rules, and I can't play arena football because then I lose my NCAA eligibility, so I screwed if I want to get educated and take a job.

What other profession does this exist in?  If I'm going to school for broadcasting on a scholarship and get a job at ESPN, they don't kick me off my scholarship.
 
2013-05-30 03:50:55 PM  
I can't believe that for most guys whose football career ends after college their medical costs are going to outweigh their free education.
 
2013-05-30 03:51:09 PM  
College sports is a billion dollar industry yet these kids are supposed to sacrifice their bodies and live like paupers. I am not a fan of unions in industry or government - they have served their purpose there and now do more harm than good. But sports? Yeah, there is major f****** exploitation there and I want to see them get organized.
 
2013-05-30 03:53:22 PM  

ElwoodCuse: College athletes aren't slaves but they are damn sure being exploited.


This argument only POSSIBLY applies to a handful of players on the football and the men's basketball teams. Basically no one else earns their freight, monetarily speaking.
 
2013-05-30 03:55:20 PM  

moanerific: Lost Thought 00: moanerific: Sorry, I completely disagree. They are being compensated: Free Tuition, private tutoring, free room & board, meal plans, healthcare while they are on the team. Just because they aren't getting a paycheck doesn't mean they are working for free.

I can point you to many a KKK meeting/CPAC convention that will tell you the exact same thing about slavery

Hey bud, I know you're trying to play the racist angle here, but I'm talking about ALL student athletes on full rides.

Plenty of white dudes play on scholarships for a bunch of different sports, they get the same benefits.


White people can be slaves too. I didn't bring up race, but glad to see your so defensive about it
 
2013-05-30 03:55:24 PM  

MugzyBrown: A college offers me a scholarship to play for their school, but I can't play in the NFL due to their rules, and I can't play arena football because then I lose my NCAA eligibility, so I screwed if I want to get educated and take a job.


Don't forget the NCAA has all kinds of other arcane rules that heavily regulate the $$ a student athlete can make actually earn on an on or off-campus job for f*cks sake.

I worked a basic 20+ hours a week starting my sophomore year, and had more $$ in my pocket as a result than the average football player. How in the living hell does the NCAA have the right to enforce this sh*t?

/actually, don't bother...I know the answer already.
 
2013-05-30 03:56:53 PM  

Killer Cars: make actually earn


oh hai thar, random, extraneous word.
 
2013-05-30 03:59:18 PM  

Lost Thought 00: moanerific: Lost Thought 00: moanerific: Sorry, I completely disagree. They are being compensated: Free Tuition, private tutoring, free room & board, meal plans, healthcare while they are on the team. Just because they aren't getting a paycheck doesn't mean they are working for free.

I can point you to many a KKK meeting/CPAC convention that will tell you the exact same thing about slavery

Hey bud, I know you're trying to play the racist angle here, but I'm talking about ALL student athletes on full rides.

Plenty of white dudes play on scholarships for a bunch of different sports, they get the same benefits.

White people can be slaves too. I didn't bring up race, but glad to see your so defensive about it


Man, you're good at this.  KKK?  Yeah, they're really known for their hatred of whites.  Hell, didn't they start letting Catholics in a while back?

/derp derp

//Keep playing the race card.  It just makes you look stupid.
 
2013-05-30 04:04:30 PM  

OfficeLife: You sound like a whinny biatch, I bet you vote republican...


I am not the one trying to set up a kickstarter because I got hurt playing a sport I love and got a free education out of it.  I have 3 herniated discs in my back from playing hockey and being driven into the boards awkwardly in a rec league and I paid my own way through college.  If you play a contact sport, at any level, then you are assuming the risk of injuries which can be permanent in nature.  He sounds like the whiny biatch, not me.

I bet you're retarded.
 
2013-05-30 04:23:53 PM  

Bruce Campbell: OfficeLife: You sound like a whinny biatch, I bet you vote republican...

I am not the one trying to set up a kickstarter because I got hurt playing a sport I love and got a free education out of it.  I have 3 herniated discs in my back from playing hockey and being driven into the boards awkwardly in a rec league and I paid my own way through college.  If you play a contact sport, at any level, then you are assuming the risk of injuries which can be permanent in nature.  He sounds like the whiny biatch, not me.

I bet you're retarded.


I think the problem is that other people make money off of these guys. It's a shiaty situation IMO
 
2013-05-30 04:34:09 PM  

MFAWG: and it starts to resemble the type of indentured servitude that's been illegal for over a century.


Ever hear of internships?

It's never been illegal.

js34603: the athletes should shut up already about the millions they generate.


This is really, really, really questionable. The schools generate it. For the most part, it really doesn't matter who's in the uniforms. There are better football players in the Arena Football League (many were from top colleges and they've played for more years, getting better at the game), but they can't sell out 10,000 seat arenas. If you think that people are watching because of the players, you're delusional.

/yeah, good players will help you get more money, that's why the SEC pays everyone under the table
 
2013-05-30 04:44:15 PM  

MFAWG: moanerific: MFAWG: Yes please: I guess it depends on what you do with that education then, doesn't it?  If you're calculating the value of an education as tuition of $11500 per year times four years, then you may be right.  If you calculate it as an additional $35000 in salary per year for the rest of your life, you're almost certainly wrong.

We should probably look to history as a starting point for an accurate formula.

How was room and board calculated for Negros between 1789 and 1865?

Are you equating playing football and getting a free college education to slavery?  I seriously hope I'm wrong here.

I'm equating working without being compensated with something tangible with slavery. You bet your ass.

Admittedly, the equation falls somewhat short. But the fact that the comparison makes the usual suspects squeamish to the point of agitation is telling.


No shiat.

I mean, at least slaves were allowed to make some money on the side.
 
2013-05-30 04:47:40 PM  
He better not be washing his car, too.
 
2013-05-30 04:49:54 PM  

Lost Thought 00: moanerific: Lost Thought 00: moanerific: Sorry, I completely disagree. They are being compensated: Free Tuition, private tutoring, free room & board, meal plans, healthcare while they are on the team. Just because they aren't getting a paycheck doesn't mean they are working for free.

I can point you to many a KKK meeting/CPAC convention that will tell you the exact same thing about slavery

Hey bud, I know you're trying to play the racist angle here, but I'm talking about ALL student athletes on full rides.

Plenty of white dudes play on scholarships for a bunch of different sports, they get the same benefits.

White people can be slaves too. I didn't bring up race, but glad to see your so defensive about it


At least trolling is color blind
 
2013-05-30 04:51:00 PM  

IAmRight: MFAWG: and it starts to resemble the type of indentured servitude that's been illegal for over a century.

Ever hear of internships?

It's never been illegal.


FWIW, most unpaid internships are illegal.  It's just not enforced.
 
2013-05-30 04:51:04 PM  

IAmRight: MFAWG: and it starts to resemble the type of indentured servitude that's been illegal for over a century.

Ever hear of internships?

It's never been illegal.

js34603: the athletes should shut up already about the millions they generate.

This is really, really, really questionable. The schools generate it. For the most part, it really doesn't matter who's in the uniforms. There are better football players in the Arena Football League (many were from top colleges and they've played for more years, getting better at the game), but they can't sell out 10,000 seat arenas. If you think that people are watching because of the players, you're delusional.

/yeah, good players will help you get more money, that's why the SEC pays everyone under the table


I dunno, college baseball is not a money sport, unlike basketball and football. If they ever get true minor leagues for basketball and football, there may be a drop in revenue, comparable to college baseball today.
 
2013-05-30 04:55:17 PM  

Trocadero: If they ever get true minor leagues for basketball and football, there may be a drop in revenue, comparable to college baseball today.


Potentially true...but I'd say that's because really, no one watches minor league baseball of any variety.

/I'd prefer that they just have actual student-athletes on all teams instead of the kids that can't even read at a HS level getting scholarships
//Ivy League still has football teams and they don't have athletic scholarships. People like playing football and will do it without pay,  and people will watch them if they share an affiliation with them. Not as many...but it would still be more popular than a non-affiliated minor league for young players.
 
2013-05-30 05:17:53 PM  

IAmRight: MFAWG: and it starts to resemble the type of indentured servitude that's been illegal for over a century.

Ever hear of internships?

It's never been illegal.

js34603: the athletes should shut up already about the millions they generate.

This is really, really, really questionable. The schools generate it. For the most part, it really doesn't matter who's in the uniforms. There are better football players in the Arena Football League (many were from top colleges and they've played for more years, getting better at the game), but they can't sell out 10,000 seat arenas. If you think that people are watching because of the players, you're delusional.

/yeah, good players will help you get more money, that's why the SEC pays everyone under the table


People don't watch college sports for players? Why do they buy their jerseys then? Why do they advertise Texas A&M football games by splashing "Johnny Football" all over the promos? Why was Tim Tebow a thing? Nah, I think there is some interest in the players playing and not just in the shared experience of attending the same school...especially considering how popular certain programs are among people who haven't been within 1000 miles of the campus (e.g. Notre Dame).

In one sense I agree with you, though, in that 80,000 (or more probably) people are showing up to the Alabama-LSU game regardless of who is in uniform.

But someone has to be in that uniform and that someone is helping to generate the money from the gate and from the TV rights along with all the other income that comes from major college sports. And they deserve monetary compensation, and not forced compensation of credit hours for courses they don't want to take towards a degree they may not care about earning.
 
2013-05-30 05:23:43 PM  

MugzyBrown: The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.

The real solution.  It's idiotic to use college as a route to professional sports.


Go for it.  You'll end up with football being like tennis, golf, and hockey where only the rich kids get any good at it (and in case you haven't noticed, the advent of "travel ball" among the youth circuits is pointing baseball in that same direction).   You seriously think the average 18-year old coming from podunk Alabama could afford to pay 1.5% of Nick Saban's salary,  much less rent the weight room and pay his position coach and personal trainers?
 
2013-05-30 05:32:20 PM  

js34603: And they deserve monetary compensation, and not forced compensation of credit hours for courses they don't want to take towards a degree they may not care about earning.


Which is part of why people shouldn't be allowed to participate in college sports if they're not actually in it for the degree. Stop letting the people who can't read get into college because they're good at football. Who knows, maybe at the lower levels people will start telling kids to hit the books again or else they're not going to be able to get into college and play ball.

/BTW, they DO get monthly stipends, so they do get paid in actual tangible pay in addition to all the free stuff they get
//oh, and universities should stop marketing players
///I don't often see collegiate jerseys with people's names on the back though, so it's tough to prove that people bought it because of a particular player
 
2013-05-30 05:35:51 PM  

Cataholic: MugzyBrown: The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.

The real solution.  It's idiotic to use college as a route to professional sports.

Go for it.  You'll end up with football being like tennis, golf, and hockey where only the rich kids get any good at it (and in case you haven't noticed, the advent of "travel ball" among the youth circuits is pointing baseball in that same direction).   You seriously think the average 18-year old coming from podunk Alabama could afford to pay 1.5% of Nick Saban's salary,  much less rent the weight room and pay his position coach and personal trainers?


Shame there's no professional sports league that might have a vested interest in a feeder system for its league consisting of 18 year olds from Podunk, Alabama with 4.3 40s.

Because if there was such a league, they could completely fund a minor league system removing the colleges from the loop. They could even provide facilities and pay position coaches. But that's just crazy talk.
 
2013-05-30 05:36:42 PM  
I would agree that the players are being exploited if they didn't sign a piece of paper voluntarily asking to be exploited.  The players have the right to up and leave their "exploitation" at any time, and very, very few of them choose to do this.

Maybe, just maybe, since it is completely voluntary situation that THOUSANDS of people aspire to every year, it isn't exploitation...
 
2013-05-30 05:41:48 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: And they deserve monetary compensation, and not forced compensation of credit hours for courses they don't want to take towards a degree they may not care about earning.

Which is part of why people shouldn't be allowed to participate in college sports if they're not actually in it for the degree. Stop letting the people who can't read get into college because they're good at football. Who knows, maybe at the lower levels people will start telling kids to hit the books again or else they're not going to be able to get into college and play ball.

/BTW, they DO get monthly stipends, so they do get paid in actual tangible pay in addition to all the free stuff they get
//oh, and universities should stop marketing players
///I don't often see collegiate jerseys with people's names on the back though, so it's tough to prove that people bought it because of a particular player


So we're just haggling over the price then.  I'd say they're probably worth more than they're getting paid right now.
 
2013-05-30 05:45:33 PM  

spiderpaz: So we're just haggling over the price then.  I'd say they're probably worth more than they're getting paid right now.


I'd say they're not.

So why should we base it on what you say?
 
2013-05-30 05:46:43 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: And they deserve monetary compensation, and not forced compensation of credit hours for courses they don't want to take towards a degree they may not care about earning.

Which is part of why people shouldn't be allowed to participate in college sports if they're not actually in it for the degree. Stop letting the people who can't read get into college because they're good at football. Who knows, maybe at the lower levels people will start telling kids to hit the books again or else they're not going to be able to get into college and play ball.

/BTW, they DO get monthly stipends, so they do get paid in actual tangible pay in addition to all the free stuff they get
//oh, and universities should stop marketing players
///I don't often see collegiate jerseys with people's names on the back though, so it's tough to prove that people bought it because of a particular player


I'm for divorcing big time college sports from the college experience so we're in agreement in that respect. Student-athlete should be a real thing and not the joke it is now.

As for your slashes:

1. Yes you get a monthly stipend, got one when I played. Its nowhere near enough, and was supposed to supplement your room and board. It wasnt fair payment for the services provided by the athletes. Sorry, tossing them a grand a semester while the NCAA and the schools take in the millions from TV isn't sufficient.

2. Yep, but they haven't. So it's fair to ask why they aren't compensated for it and not say "oh the schools generate the income not the players." Johnny Manziel generates income for his school, he could go to any school and still be Johnny Manziel.

3. C'mon on you're being intentitionlly naive for the purposes of trying to bolster your point. It's hard to prove people bought Florida #15 jerseys because of Tebow? It's just a councindence people happened to buy that number? Or that people happen to buy so many UNC #23 jerseys? I know you don't actually believe that.
 
2013-05-30 05:52:40 PM  

crazytrain: College sports is a billion dollar industry yet these kids are supposed to sacrifice their bodies and live like paupers. I am not a fan of unions in industry or government - they have served their purpose there and now do more harm than good. But sports? Yeah, there is major f****** exploitation there and I want to see them get organized.


NCAA DI football and men's basketball is a billion dollar industry.

A NCAA players union. . .that would be a joke.

I know.  They could get together and start a 18-22 year old semi-pro football league.

Get fancy names like:

Michigan Tartans
Miami Typhoons
Alabama Red Tide
Pitt Pumas
Ohio TSUs

It would be great.  Getting paid to play, no classes, no free food, long bus rides between games, third rate practice facilities.  A dream come true.
 
2013-05-30 05:58:24 PM  

js34603: It's hard to prove people bought Florida #15 jerseys because of Tebow? It's just a councindence people happened to buy that number? Or that people happen to buy so many UNC #23 jerseys? I know you don't actually believe that.


I'm thinking more of situations like USC and Michigan and Penn State, where they never had names on the backs of jerseys and say, WR #1 or LB #55 or whatever was used for whatever stud happened to be in school at the time, rather than being specifically associated with a player. But coming from the West Coast, college football isn't nearly as big a deal as it is in other places and college football jerseys are rare as it is, much less jerseys for particular players.

js34603: 2. Yep, but they haven't. So it's fair to ask why they aren't compensated for it and not say "oh the schools generate the income not the players." Johnny Manziel generates income for his school, he could go to any school and still be Johnny Manziel.


And Texas A&M would still sell out their stadium and have that TV contract if Manziel never went there. The TV money is not negotiated based on the players, because the players won't even be around for the duration of the TV contract. The season ticket holders, at least the vast majority of them, are not buying seats because of the players (though fewer will come if the team sucks).

The guys that are such big pulls that they're supposedly bringing in all this money? They're going to get paid well on the next level.

/no one's preventing anyone from establishing a football league that will take these 18-year-olds and pay them

/my school just printed No. 1 jerseys...not because of the particular player at the time who wore No. 1, but just because it's a whole "school is no. 1!" thing
 
2013-05-30 05:59:47 PM  

Broktun: crazytrain: College sports is a billion dollar industry yet these kids are supposed to sacrifice their bodies and live like paupers. I am not a fan of unions in industry or government - they have served their purpose there and now do more harm than good. But sports? Yeah, there is major f****** exploitation there and I want to see them get organized.

NCAA DI football and men's basketball is a billion dollar industry.

A NCAA players union. . .that would be a joke.

I know.  They could get together and start a 18-22 year old semi-pro football league.

Get fancy names like:

Michigan Tartans
Miami Typhoons
Alabama Red Tide
Pitt Pumas
Ohio TSUs

It would be great.  Getting paid to play, no classes, no free food, long bus rides between games, third rate practice facilities.  A dream come true.


Or a pro league that is interested in maintaining its feeder system could pony up for the minor leagues. They could get paid for what they are actually good at in top notch facities with top notch training provided by their future professional employers.

I mean seriously, why can't people understand something as simple as a minor league system? It exists in several other sports. It works. The pro teams like it. The minor leagues like it. Even the colleges are ok with it because when they do get an athlete they know he's a student-athlete and they're not just there while waiting to be draft eligible AND they get to make money off their sweat with no guilt (if they are capable of it) because hey, they could have always gone to the minors instead of volunteering to play in college.

That choice doesn't exist for the most part for college aged football and basketball players.
 
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