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(ESPN)   We now live in a world where David West and LeBron James have been fined for flopping and Dwyane Wade hasn't. Thanks, Herr Stern   (espn.go.com) divider line 57
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2013-05-30 02:19:52 PM  
I'll take it.
 
2013-05-30 02:24:19 PM  
How many players has Wade taken out the past few years?

i didn't see the flying elbow from game two, but i heard it talked about on three different talk shows.
 
2013-05-30 02:24:34 PM  
I'm sure LeBron James is really going to miss that $5000.
 
2013-05-30 02:28:30 PM  

you have pee hands: I'm sure LeBron James is really going to miss that $5000.


He probably paid in cash by searching through his car's ashtray.
 
2013-05-30 02:32:06 PM  

rickythepenguin: How many players has Wade taken out the past few years?

i didn't see the flying elbow from game two, but i heard it talked about on three different talk shows.


Here you go.

I think his count of taking people out of games is only 2 (Kobe and Rondo).  Collison, Stephenson, and Sessions all stayed in the game after their Wade encounters.
 
2013-05-30 02:34:10 PM  

Doogled: Here you go.


In Wade's defense (and I hate to say that), if there's two guys who deserve a flying elbow to the head it's Stephenson and  Hansbrough.  And we've got at least two more games.
 
2013-05-30 02:46:55 PM  
Start making the fines a percentage of a player's salary and the fines become a little more meaningful.

Because, by the time you finish reading this post, LeBron James will have made $5,000.
 
2013-05-30 02:50:13 PM  

LessO2: Start making the fines a percentage of a player's salary and the fines become a little more meaningful.

Because, by the time you finish reading this post, LeBron James will have made $5,000.


This. 3-5% of gross income per malicious foul or flop, and you'll see that shiat come to a crashing halt.
 
2013-05-30 02:51:10 PM  
Le Flop got fined? No way!
 
2013-05-30 02:52:14 PM  

FormlessOne: This. 3-5% of gross income per malicious foul or flop, and you'll see that shiat come to a crashing halt.


yeah, i'm sure the player's association will be rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright on board with negotiating that in the next CBA.
 
2013-05-30 02:56:39 PM  

rickythepenguin: FormlessOne: This. 3-5% of gross income per malicious foul or flop, and you'll see that shiat come to a crashing halt.

yeah, i'm sure the player's association will be rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright on board with negotiating that in the next CBA.


Isaiah Thomas ruined the CBA.
 
2013-05-30 03:01:30 PM  

rjakobi: rickythepenguin: FormlessOne: This. 3-5% of gross income per malicious foul or flop, and you'll see that shiat come to a crashing halt.

yeah, i'm sure the player's association will be rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright on board with negotiating that in the next CBA.

Isaiah Thomas ruined the CBA.


Bullshiat.

Isaiah Thomas has ruined more than that.
 
2013-05-30 03:03:48 PM  

LessO2: Start making the fines a percentage of a player's salary and the fines become a little more meaningful.


Yeah, that way crappy players can be the ones who flop all the time and the vets can pay their fines.
 
2013-05-30 03:06:15 PM  
i304.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-30 03:06:21 PM  
They had to be fined. It was so over the top and obvious Stern had to do it. The audience saw the puppet strings of his league for a moment.
 
2013-05-30 03:10:53 PM  

TheManofPA: [i304.photobucket.com image 477x264]


In fairness, Wade basically had to flop on that play. And I say this as someone who hates Wade. But if you're down 2 and you're taking a buzzer-beating three, you're stupid if you don't embellish it (and it did look like Dirk touched his face, though not enough to merit a foul).

Decillion: They had to be fined. It was so over the top and obvious Stern had to do it. The audience saw the puppet strings of his league for a moment.


Ummm many of the flops earlier in the series (and throughout the playoffs) were over the top and obvious and weren't fined.
 
2013-05-30 03:13:11 PM  
IAmRight:

Decillion: They had to be fined. It was so over the top and obvious Stern had to do it. The audience saw the puppet strings of his league for a moment.

Ummm many of the flops earlier in the series (and throughout the playoffs) were over the top and obvious and weren't fined.


Sorry, over the top AND simultaneous.
 
2013-05-30 03:19:44 PM  
it would be cool if the NBA adopted an aspect of the NHL, where, if you get whistled for the flop, you get penalty boxed for one minute.  one full minute of 5 on 4.

better yet, technical foul + possession then one minute of hot 5 on 4 action.


/alex, i'll take "things that will never happen in a million years" for $500
 
2013-05-30 03:27:36 PM  
A one game suspension during the playoffs would solve the flopping.  Imagine Indiana without David West and Miami without LeBron James for Game 5.  Both teams would make sure that didn't happen for Game 6.
 
2013-05-30 03:33:21 PM  

I_C_Weener: A one game suspension during the playoffs would solve the flopping.



yeah because stern has so very, very consistently applied the rules regarding playoff suspensions.

Why yes, I am still butthurt about the Stoudamire and Diaw getting suspended in 2007.
 
2013-05-30 03:35:55 PM  

rickythepenguin: I_C_Weener: A one game suspension during the playoffs would solve the flopping.


yeah because stern has so very, very consistently applied the rules regarding playoff suspensions.

Why yes, I am still butthurt about the Stoudamire and Diaw getting suspended in 2007.


GO RE-UP FOR TF.  THAT IS WHERE YOU BELONG.  A LEADER NOT A FOLLOWER.
 
2013-05-30 03:37:26 PM  

I_C_Weener: A one game suspension during the playoffs would solve the flopping.  Imagine Indiana without David West and Miami without LeBron James for Game 5.  Both teams would make sure that didn't happen for Game 6.


You're aware Stephenson would be out, too, right?
 
2013-05-30 03:38:37 PM  

IAmRight: I_C_Weener: A one game suspension during the playoffs would solve the flopping.  Imagine Indiana without David West and Miami without LeBron James for Game 5.  Both teams would make sure that didn't happen for Game 6.

You're aware Stephenson would be out, too, right?


And?  Flopping would stop.  I think this hurts the Heat a lot more.  Plus a one game suspension at this point gets their attention.
 
2013-05-30 03:44:35 PM  

LessO2: Start making the fines a percentage of a player's salary and the fines become a little more meaningful.

Because, by the time you finish reading this post, LeBron James will have made $5,000.


Suspensions without pay achieve that goal.
 
2013-05-30 04:03:29 PM  

I_C_Weener: And?  Flopping would stop.  I think this hurts the Heat a lot more.  Plus a one game suspension at this point gets their attention.


I think it would be kinda criminal to start it now, especially after Wade got away with elbowing someone's head (should've been suspended) and now would've gotten away with a flop worse than anyone else's (though the only person who actually got anything out of any of these flops was Stephenson).
 
2013-05-30 04:30:02 PM  

I_C_Weener: And?  Flopping would stop.  I think this hurts the Heat a lot more.  Plus a one game suspension at this point gets their attention.


Are you saying that not flopping would hurt the Heat more?
 
2013-05-30 04:35:42 PM  

ShadezofDis: Are you saying that not flopping would hurt the Heat more?


I'd assume he's saying that losing LeBron damages the Heat a lot more than losing West and Stephenson hurts the Pacers. Which is possibly true. Especially if Hibbert is never going to be in actual foul trouble.
 
2013-05-30 04:37:09 PM  
Why does Stern have such a hard on for Wade, he's not even all that good anymore. At least NBA fans outside of Dallas are starting to realize what an utter douchebag the guy is.
 
2013-05-30 04:37:24 PM  
Am I the only one who thought this when Wade threw that elbow?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a2IRC9598c
 
2013-05-30 04:50:23 PM  

Krustofsky: Am I the only one who thought this when Wade threw that elbow?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a2IRC9598c




... or this, too
 
2013-05-30 05:06:17 PM  

rickythepenguin: How many players has Wade taken out the past few years?

i didn't see the flying elbow from game two, but i heard it talked about on three different talk shows.


Gregg Doyel of CBS Sports got into an argument with Fat Mike the other day on the radio, he reeled off five players in the past two years that Wade had hurt, Fat Mike shot back with "Wade doesn't come up in the players' poll in dirty players," Doyel came back with "players only cite dirty players they don't like in those surveys"...oh, it was stimulating morning driving, lol.
 
2013-05-30 05:10:19 PM  
I think it sad that as talented as the Heat are and they've been anointed to win it all this year, that they have to resort to flopping.
 
2013-05-30 05:31:52 PM  

skinink: I think it sad that as talented as the Heat are and they've been anointed to win it all this year, that they have to resort to flopping.


They learned how to flop to win way back in 2006, long before IAmRight hopped on board the Heat bandwagon.
 
2013-05-30 05:35:44 PM  

PowerSlacker: They learned how to flop to win way back in 2006


The talent they have on the floor now wasn't the same as it was back in 2006.   Skinink is right, they shouldn't need to flop.
 
2013-05-30 05:42:36 PM  

I_C_Weener: And? Flopping would stop. I think this hurts the Heat a lot more. Plus a one game suspension at this point gets their attention.


It wouldn't stop, it would just be another tool for the league to use when wants to fix the results.
 
2013-05-30 05:46:09 PM  

LessO2: The talent they have on the floor now wasn't the same as it was back in 2006.   Skinink is right, they shouldn't need to flop.


Miami had two of the three best players on the floor in the 2006 finals.  They shouldn't have needed Wade flinging himself all over the court like a monkey flinging poop to win then.
 
2013-05-30 05:53:22 PM  

I_C_Weener: GO RE-UP FOR TF. THAT IS WHERE YOU BELONG


I'LL STAY HERE AND LIKE IT


robsul82: Gregg Doyel of CBS Sports


ehhh......i generally like him, but, you have to admit he is something of an agent provocateur.  not on the level of mariotti (is he still a sports journo?) or Troll Troll-less, but....Doyle lieks to stir the pot.  So while he's kinda right, he's also trolling a little bit.
 
2013-05-30 06:00:00 PM  

robsul82: an argument with Fat Mike


on that note, i listened to about 20 minutes of the Mikes today; Skinny Mike only namedropped Jordan 4 times in that 20 minutes.  He must not be feeling well.

/"Jordan never would have flopped"
//"when i covered Jordan and the Bulls"
///"LeBron is desperate to catch Jordan"
////"as much as he means to the Spurs, tony parker is no jordan"
//"Jordan jordan jordan, jordan jordan?  Jordan, jordan jordan jordan jordan jordanning to the jordan to jordan the jordan inside the jordan. David "jordan" Stern would have jordan'd the jordan to jordan, even on video review, to jordan the jordan jordan jordans for the integrity of the jordan in the national Jordanball Jordsociation."
 
2013-05-30 06:15:12 PM  
Jordan not only never flopped, he never lost a game (he wouldn't allow it; too competitive), never complained to referees, never got the benefit of officiating, having fouled out in every game he ever played, he won 73 championships in the '90s, won despite all of his teammates sucking AND made all of his teammates better, always made every important shot, and he did it against REAL defenses, not whatever it is they do now.

/haven't followed basketball since '98
 
2013-05-30 07:06:45 PM  
Hilarious how much IAmRight loves LeBron but hate's the greatest player of all time. It's actually kind of sad.
 
2013-05-30 07:22:50 PM  

rickythepenguin: robsul82: an argument with Fat Mike

on that note, i listened to about 20 minutes of the Mikes today; Skinny Mike only namedropped Jordan 4 times in that 20 minutes.  He must not be feeling well.

/"Jordan never would have flopped"
//"when i covered Jordan and the Bulls"
///"LeBron is desperate to catch Jordan"
////"as much as he means to the Spurs, tony parker is no jordan"
//"Jordan jordan jordan, jordan jordan?  Jordan, jordan jordan jordan jordan jordanning to the jordan to jordan the jordan inside the jordan. David "jordan" Stern would have jordan'd the jordan to jordan, even on video review, to jordan the jordan jordan jordans for the integrity of the jordan in the national Jordanball Jordsociation."



i.imgur.com

Well it does make sense to mention Jordan here because apparently delusional people believe Lebron is going to be the G.O.A.T. when it all said and done. I didn't hear the Mikes interview you are referencing but it definitely sounds in tune with reality.
 
2013-05-30 07:55:17 PM  

TheJoe03: Hilarious how much IAmRight loves LeBron but hate's the greatest player of all time. It's actually kind of sad.


I hate the deification of Jordan. He's the most overrated NBA player of all time. And I'll even say it's possible he's the best of all-time (impossible to compare with Chamberlain/Russell). But he and Barry Sanders...it's not enough to talk about the truth. We need to hype them even more.

Jordan never left Chicago to win more championships because he signed an 8-year contract in 1988. By the time any of his friends were free agents, he was already winning titles with his team. Furthermore, he was constantly trying to push Bulls management to hire his friends and would get pissed when they traded his pals away.

But in the legend of Jordan, he wouldn't go anywhere else because he was so goddamn much of a competitor. Maybe...but there's no evidence to support that claim. What's true is that there was never a chance to do it.

With Sanders, people consistently talk about him as though there were 22 defenders on the field and 0 offensive players except him, and he broke a TD on every play. In reality, he was really really great...but people go too goddamn far when talking about how great they are.

And they forget how much different the game and the world are. In The Jordan Rules, which, BTW, was the most criticism Jordan got in pretty much his whole career...and it was pretty much all complimentary, it was mentioned that he was considering quitting basketball if he didn't win in '90-'91 because of all the pressure and bullsh*t. Can you imagine him dealing with a Twitter and constant-coverage ESPN? He may have snapped and killed himself. Who knows? But it was a hell of a lot easier to deal with the outside world and it was a hell of a lot easier mentally back in the '90s.

Jordan also quit on his team twice - once in '93 to play baseball and once in '98 when he found out Pippen and Jackson were leaving. Yet we're told how he never quit.
 
2013-05-30 07:58:35 PM  
I think you're just being a contrarian, it seems all of your opinions are contrarian and designed to go against and annoy the rest of us.
 
2013-05-30 08:20:46 PM  

IAmRight: Jordan also quit on his team twice - once in '93 to play baseball and once in '98 when he found out Pippen and Jackson were leaving. Yet we're told how he never quit.


To be fair, he was playing baseball only as part of Stern's suspension-that-wasn't-at-all-a-suspension for betting on basketball games.
 
2013-05-30 08:22:16 PM  

rickythepenguin: I_C_Weener: A one game suspension during the playoffs would solve the flopping.


yeah because stern has so very, very consistently applied the rules regarding playoff suspensions.

Why yes, I am still butthurt about the Stoudamire and Diaw getting suspended in 2007.


farking this.
 
2013-05-30 08:26:12 PM  

TheJoe03: I think you're just being a contrarian, it seems all of your opinions are contrarian and designed to go against and annoy the rest of us.


No, I genuinely think all your opinions are artificially shaped by ESPN's stupid recantation of horsesh*t myths. If Jordan played today, people would think he was a complete piece of sh*t. But he was fortunate enough to play in an era before social media.
 
2013-05-30 08:29:49 PM  
And Jordan's own "No, I wouldn't have done that" after seeing all the hate for LeBron's move. Yeah, it's pretty f*cking easy to say in retrospect and given that you never had the option.

It's like all the lying media members acting sanctimonious about Tiger Woods. "I can't BELIEVE a wealthy dude would bang chicks in every town! I know I would NEVER do such a thing."

STFU, jackass, you don't do it because you don't have the opportunity. And if you do have the opportunity, you're probably doing it and are just lying so you don't get in trouble with your wife.
 
2013-05-30 08:30:59 PM  

IAmRight: TheJoe03: I think you're just being a contrarian, it seems all of your opinions are contrarian and designed to go against and annoy the rest of us.

No, I genuinely think all your opinions are artificially shaped by ESPN's stupid recantation of horsesh*t myths. If Jordan played today, people would think he was a complete piece of sh*t. But he was fortunate enough to play in an era before social media.


I don't even watch ESPN. Anyways I realized you were a contrarian when you defended Penn State. I was a kid when I watched him play, so that's probably the reason I didn't hate him in the 90s.
 
2013-05-30 08:58:06 PM  

TheJoe03: I don't even watch ESPN. Anyways I realized you were a contrarian when you defended Penn State


I didn't defend Penn State. I defended Paterno, because I can understand that, while I wouldn't do what he did, I probably wouldn't mentally flip the switch on someone I knew 40 years simply because of something some GA said, which we don't know the exact verbiage of.

I don't make an attempt to get in people's heads and pretend I know what their intent is, because I don't know. And I hate when people continue to act as though they know. You don't. I hate when f*cknozzles talk about how "Jordan wouldn't have..." because they don't know Jordan. And Jordan never had the same opportunities. So you don't f*cking know - stop making sh*t up just so you can criticize someone who is currently playing.

Jordan was good enough that he doesn't need you making sh*t up about his will to win which never would have allowed him to lose to a lesser team (which happened many, many times in his career, just like every basketball player ever).
 
2013-05-30 08:59:27 PM  
Contrarian.
 
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