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(The Atlantic Wire)   George Zimmerman's attorneys are shaking the "Scared white people" Money tree again, saying they've spent the $300,000 donated his defense so far, and gee wouldn't it be a shame if they didn't get another $150,000 and Georgie went to jail?   (theatlanticwire.com ) divider line
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2013-05-30 12:08:48 PM  
I'd do whatever I had to do to get money. Public defender?!! *shudder*
 
2013-05-30 12:11:30 PM  
Only people with money deserve an adequate defense.  "Innocent until proven broke" is a good motto for our judicial system, I think.
 
2013-05-30 12:12:33 PM  
To be fair expert witnesses cost a lot of money
 
2013-05-30 12:14:09 PM  

cman: To be fair expert witnesses cost a lot of money


And court costs.  And transcripts.  And on and on and on.  There is a lot more to the cost of a defense than just attorney fees.  And in a high profile case like this, picking up all those costs in addition to doing the legal work pro bono could sink a law office.
 
2013-05-30 12:14:25 PM  
If he's really innocent, God will save him.
 
2013-05-30 12:24:33 PM  

Nabb1: cman: To be fair expert witnesses cost a lot of money

And court costs.  And transcripts.  And on and on and on.  There is a lot more to the cost of a defense than just attorney fees.  And in a high profile case like this, picking up all those costs in addition to doing the legal work pro bono could sink a law office.


True. but $300K while the attorneys are claiming they and their offices haven't taken dime one in legal fees?   That's sets of my BS detector.  And which "expert witnesses" are they going to need, exactly?  since the defense isn;t really debating Zimmerman shot martin, best I can think of is a forensic pathologist to  try to etablish some facts about the wunds on zimmerman and the trajectory of the bullet (thhough a well prepped cross of the State's witneses would yeild you the same tesitmony)  and maybe a psychologist to talk about Zimmerman's state of mind?

But sadly, yes the underlying truth is that you often "get the justice you can afford" in this country.  If I were in charge of legal reforms, I'd merge the DA and PD's office into one, and sever forensic services like state crime labs from law enforcement alltogether.   I'd randomly assigned to attorneys from the merged office to oversee the investigation and foresnsics work, and then flip a coin just before indictment to decide who is prosecuting and who is defending.   That way bnoth sides have access to the exact same resources, and both have an equal motivation to make sure the cops don;t fabricate evidence or cut corners.
 
2013-05-30 12:26:58 PM  
I really hope he gets an itemized receipt for the $300,000 they've spent.

/Why couldn't they both agree on a plea deal? That would have seemed to be the best outcome for all involved.
 
2013-05-30 12:40:48 PM  
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2013-05-30 12:52:16 PM  

Nabb1: Only people with money deserve an adequate defense.  "Innocent until proven broke" is a good motto for our judicial system, I think.


I'd completely remove the pretense of assumption of innocence from our system since the system doesn't follow that in any way.
 
2013-05-30 01:05:25 PM  
Yeah, the clients who can afford to pay for me to do everything I want to do on their cases usually end up with either dismissals or really favorable plea bargains.  The clients who can barely afford to pay the attorney fee usually have to proceed to trial to get the best possible outcome, and that's always a mixed bag depending on the offense, the county, and who showed up for jury duty.

It's a broken system, and I don't beleive anyone has a good idea for how to fix it.
 
2013-05-30 01:13:02 PM  
I wonder how many innocent people are sitting in prison because they didn't have the money to adequately defend themselves?
 
2013-05-30 01:19:26 PM  
Zimmerman's attorneys are constantly pulling shady shiat.

-Like trying over & over to depose the lawyer for the family of Trayvon Martin.
-They keep trying to release the names and addresses of Trayvon Martin's family members and friends to intimidate them.
-Claiming Shaken Baby Syndrome as a defense for shooting Trayvon.
-Trying to get the judge to fine the prosecutors for delays when -they- are the ones that keep asking for more time.
 
2013-05-30 01:27:00 PM  

penthesilea: Zimmerman's attorneys are constantly pulling shady shiat.

-Like trying over & over to depose the lawyer for the family of Trayvon Martin.
-They keep trying to release the names and addresses of Trayvon Martin's family members and friends to intimidate them.
-Claiming Shaken Baby Syndrome as a defense for shooting Trayvon.
-Trying to get the judge to fine the prosecutors for delays when -they- are the ones that keep asking for more time.


They can use as many defenses as they like to ensure that Zimmerman doesn't get in trouble for stalking and hunting a 17-year-old kid.
 
2013-05-30 01:42:19 PM  

gimmegimme: They can use as many defenses as they like to ensure that Zimmerman doesn't get in trouble for stalking and hunting a 17-year-old kid.


I think what you meant to say is "defending himself from a violent attacker".
 
2013-05-30 01:53:09 PM  

Aarontology: Nabb1: Only people with money deserve an adequate defense.  "Innocent until proven broke" is a good motto for our judicial system, I think.

I'd completely remove the pretense of assumption of innocence from our system since the system doesn't follow that in any way.


The jury in a criminal trial is instructed to presume innocence and that if the prosecution does not establish guilt beyond all reasonable doubt, they cannot convict.  I think that part is very real.  Getting to that part and adequately building the defense, on the other hand, is where it falls short for the vast majority of defendants.  Of course, if you even get to trial, a judge has already found probable cause exists and statistically speaking, the vast majority of criminal defendants are guilty as all hell.  But, still, our system needs some work.  Our public defenders are woefully overworked and have terribly inadequate resources.
 
2013-05-30 01:54:24 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: gimmegimme: They can use as many defenses as they like to ensure that Zimmerman doesn't get in trouble for stalking and hunting a 17-year-old kid.

I think what you meant to say is "defending himself from a violent attacker".


It's hard to attack someone who is driving away.  Unless you think Martin dragged the guy out of his car.
 
2013-05-30 01:56:48 PM  

gimmegimme: penthesilea: Zimmerman's attorneys are constantly pulling shady shiat.

-Like trying over & over to depose the lawyer for the family of Trayvon Martin.
-They keep trying to release the names and addresses of Trayvon Martin's family members and friends to intimidate them.
-Claiming Shaken Baby Syndrome as a defense for shooting Trayvon.
-Trying to get the judge to fine the prosecutors for delays when -they- are the ones that keep asking for more time.

They can use as many defenses as they like to ensure that Zimmerman doesn't get in trouble for stalking and hunting a 17-year-old kid.


As opposed to the prosecution hiding evidence.
 
2013-05-30 01:58:10 PM  

gimmegimme: It's hard to attack someone who is driving away.


Zimmerman had every right to observe and report on a suspicious person. He claims that he was indeed heading back to his car when he was confronted and assaulted by Martin, can you prove otherwise?
 
2013-05-30 01:59:40 PM  
Look subby, ever since we learned that Zimmerman is Hispanic as well as a registered democrat, we stopped caring about the Trayvon Martin case.  If we can't use this one incident, and blow it out of proportion as an indictment of republicans, fox news, rush limbaugh, sarah palin, george bush, residents of all the states in-between california and new york, and cheese pizza, then I'm sorry, we're just not interested.  Guilty, innocent, who cares?  If this can't be put into the confirmation bias pile, don't bother me with it.


Quick!  I think a white driver just rear-ended a black driver, and there was minor damage to the tail-light.  To the outrage-copter!!
 
2013-05-30 01:59:54 PM  
It looks like he was eating Red Lobster take out like a king every night of the week.
 
2013-05-30 02:01:05 PM  
Are donations tax deductible?  I'm just asking out of pure curiosity.
 
2013-05-30 02:01:51 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: gimmegimme: They can use as many defenses as they like to ensure that Zimmerman doesn't get in trouble for stalking and hunting a 17-year-old kid.

I think what you meant to say is "defending himself from a violent attacker".


i think you mean "killing a teenager after you followed him, against the advisement of the police, who felt the need to defend him self from the local vigilante(who has a history of violence) "
 
2013-05-30 02:02:33 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: gimmegimme: It's hard to attack someone who is driving away.

Zimmerman had every right to observe and report on a suspicious person. He claims that he was indeed heading back to his car when he was confronted and assaulted by Martin, can you prove otherwise?


I'm just saying that a man with a history of violence probably shouldn't be cruising around a neighborhood armed thinking he's Dirty Harry.

And what's so suspicious about a 17-year-old black kid on the way back from a Skittle run?  Who in the world would think a 17-year-old black kid is suspicious?
 
2013-05-30 02:02:44 PM  
How about a headline re Zimmerman-Martin that isn't 100% trollbait, mods?  Just one?
 
2013-05-30 02:02:49 PM  
Can I send him a bag of Skittles?
 
2013-05-30 02:03:04 PM  

sex0r: gimmegimme: penthesilea: Zimmerman's attorneys are constantly pulling shady shiat.

-Like trying over & over to depose the lawyer for the family of Trayvon Martin.
-They keep trying to release the names and addresses of Trayvon Martin's family members and friends to intimidate them.
-Claiming Shaken Baby Syndrome as a defense for shooting Trayvon.
-Trying to get the judge to fine the prosecutors for delays when -they- are the ones that keep asking for more time.

They can use as many defenses as they like to ensure that Zimmerman doesn't get in trouble for stalking and hunting a 17-year-old kid.

As opposed to the prosecution hiding evidence.


Hiding evidence, I.E. no releasing the deceased phone records after they where ruled inadmissible
 
2013-05-30 02:03:50 PM  
Can't they just send the bill to Trayvon's momma? She is the root cause of this.
 
2013-05-30 02:03:59 PM  
Ah yes, Zimmerman the "white hispanic". Never heard that term in my life before Zimmerman. Black people and the media tried so hard to make this a black/white thing and failed. Losers.
 
2013-05-30 02:04:35 PM  
Let's review the KNOWN FACTS of the case.  Jorge "Taco" Zimmerman (as he was known to his friends) was, like most Mexicans, returning from his job as a landscaper with a bag of tacos to feed his eight children.  After a long day of smoking marihuana and drinking beer, he was looking forward to making another anchor baby with his illiterate wife in order to steal our tax dollars.

Suddenly, Trayvon "Willie Horton" Martin, a known THUG who was high on purple drank and white guilt, accosted Jorge by asking him "Ay, Dog, Ay.  You stepped on my sneakers man!"  Jorge pulled a stolen gun because you can't prevent criminals from getting a gun and shot Tyronne at point-blank range.  Tylenol's family recruited known race pimp Jesse "Crystal Mangum" Sharpton to give Jorge a white makeover thereby advancing Al and Obama's plans of stealing the guns of white people - OUR LAST LINE OF DEFENSE!

This has been another installment of NRA Theater.
 
2013-05-30 02:04:45 PM  
Isn't it the case that the 'scared white people' type actually hates the Hispanic type?

What am I missing here?

Or is it the case that you always pick the lighter shade?
 
2013-05-30 02:05:03 PM  

LeroyBourne: It looks like he was eating Red Lobster take out like a king every night of the week.


Ugh, that's pretty much a slow death sentence.
 
2013-05-30 02:05:15 PM  
I know I cant be the first guy to point this out, but Zimmmerman is not even really a white guy.
 
2013-05-30 02:05:27 PM  
A curse on Moors and Saracens!
 
2013-05-30 02:06:19 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Ah yes, Zimmerman the "white hispanic". Never heard that term in my life before Zimmerman. Black people and the media tried so hard to make this a black/white thing and failed. Losers.


THIS!  Libs say "have you ever heard of Argentina" and I say "no, there is not place called Alpotina."
 
2013-05-30 02:06:25 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Ah yes, Zimmerman the "white hispanic". Never heard that term in my life before Zimmerman. Black people and the media tried so hard to make this a black/white thing and failed. Losers.


A: Hispanics are "White"
B: Hispanics dont exactly have a great history with blacks either
 
2013-05-30 02:06:55 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Let's review the KNOWN FACTS of the case.  Jorge "Taco" Zimmerman (as he was known to his friends) was, like most Mexicans, returning from his job as a landscaper with a bag of tacos to feed his eight children.  After a long day of smoking marihuana and drinking beer, he was looking forward to making another anchor baby with his illiterate wife in order to steal our tax dollars.

Suddenly, Trayvon "Willie Horton" Martin, a known THUG who was high on purple drank and white guilt, accosted Jorge by asking him "Ay, Dog, Ay.  You stepped on my sneakers man!"  Jorge pulled a stolen gun because you can't prevent criminals from getting a gun and shot Tyronne at point-blank range.  Tylenol's family recruited known race pimp Jesse "Crystal Mangum" Sharpton to give Jorge a white makeover thereby advancing Al and Obama's plans of stealing the guns of white people - OUR LAST LINE OF DEFENSE!

This has been another installment of NRA Theater.


My favorite thing from the previous Zim/Mart thread was when someone complained that Martin allegedly asked Zimmerman, "What's your problem?"  The Farker said that only a thug asshole would react in such an aggressive manner and deserved to be shot in the chest and killed.  (I paraphrase.)  Martin should have said, "Excuse me, kind sir.  I do hate to interrupt your walk on this fine evening, but you seem to have been following me for quite some time. I apologize if I'm incorrect.  Do I happen to know you, friend?  Do we have business of which I am not aware?"
 
2013-05-30 02:08:02 PM  
He might have some money left to pay the lawyers if he wasn't spending so much on food,

Hell man, you claim you are scared to leave your house.  At least do P90x or something while you are stuck at home.

I'm seeing that Zimmerman isn't someone who loses their appetite when they are stressed out.
 
2013-05-30 02:08:16 PM  

thenumber5: Popcorn Johnny: gimmegimme: They can use as many defenses as they like to ensure that Zimmerman doesn't get in trouble for stalking and hunting a 17-year-old kid.

I think what you meant to say is "defending himself from a violent attacker".

i think you mean "killing a teenager after you followed him, against the advisement of the dispatcher, while defending himself from the local vigilante(who has a history of violence - Trayvon Martin) "


FIFY. How do the undisputed facts change your opinion on the matter? I'm curious.
 
2013-05-30 02:08:35 PM  

thenumber5: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Ah yes, Zimmerman the "white hispanic". Never heard that term in my life before Zimmerman. Black people and the media tried so hard to make this a black/white thing and failed. Losers.

A: Hispanics are "White"
B: Hispanics dont exactly have a great history with blacks either


Excuse me, but I've never heard the term "white hispanic" therefore it does not exist.  I've been told that so-called Census forms have had this category for 40 some years, but I've never heard of this "Census Bureau" either.

Case closed.  You cannot defeat me.
 
2013-05-30 02:08:40 PM  
In my, most likely terrible, opinion Zimmerman should be locked up regardless of whether or not Trayvon attacked him. That boy was unarmed but Zimmerman decided that Trayvon deserved the finality of death. For what? To protect whatever Zimmerman had in his pockets? Because he got knocked upside the head? Because Trayvon was tresspassing?

No one deserves to die over such banal reasons. Thanks to Zimmerman a 17 year old kid is dead. Gone. Forever removed from life before he even had a chance to figure out what life is. For no good reason.

Mankind's flippant attitude towards taking the life of others is sickening. Zimmerman should fry.
 
2013-05-30 02:10:01 PM  
Florida tag outside, taking a smoke break?
 
2013-05-30 02:10:05 PM  
Why are some people trying to make this as if it's a white versus black thing?

He's hispanic, he's not wasp.
 
2013-05-30 02:11:23 PM  
Only 12 days until Zimmerman goes on trial?  Cannot wait for that shiatshow.
 
2013-05-30 02:11:46 PM  

justtray: thenumber5: Popcorn Johnny: gimmegimme: They can use as many defenses as they like to ensure that Zimmerman doesn't get in trouble for stalking and hunting a 17-year-old kid.

I think what you meant to say is "defending himself from a violent attacker".

i think you mean "killing a teenager after you followed him, against the advisement of the dispatcher, while defending himself from the local vigilante(who has a history of violence - Trayvon Martin) "

FIFY. How do the undisputed facts change your opinion on the matter? I'm curious.


you can warp it how you want

Trayvon had a clean record, Zimmerman has a record of Violence and calling the police about black children
 
2013-05-30 02:12:00 PM  

thenumber5: sex0r: gimmegimme: penthesilea: Zimmerman's attorneys are constantly pulling shady shiat.

-Like trying over & over to depose the lawyer for the family of Trayvon Martin.
-They keep trying to release the names and addresses of Trayvon Martin's family members and friends to intimidate them.
-Claiming Shaken Baby Syndrome as a defense for shooting Trayvon.
-Trying to get the judge to fine the prosecutors for delays when -they- are the ones that keep asking for more time.

They can use as many defenses as they like to ensure that Zimmerman doesn't get in trouble for stalking and hunting a 17-year-old kid.

As opposed to the prosecution hiding evidence.

Hiding evidence, I.E. no releasing the deceased phone records after they where ruled inadmissible


Just because evidence is inadmissible does not mean it does not have to be turned over and is not discoverable.  Inadmissible evidence can lead to admissible evidence.
 
2013-05-30 02:12:47 PM  

Tatsuma: Why are some people trying to make this as if it's a white versus black thing?

He's hispanic, he's not wasp.


All WASP's are White, but not all Whites are WASPs
 
2013-05-30 02:12:51 PM  

Esroc: In my, most likely terrible, opinion Zimmerman should be locked up regardless of whether or not Trayvon attacked him. That boy was unarmed but Zimmerman decided that Trayvon deserved the finality of death. For what? To protect whatever Zimmerman had in his pockets? Because he got knocked upside the head? Because Trayvon was tresspassing?

No one deserves to die over such banal reasons. Thanks to Zimmerman a 17 year old kid is dead. Gone. Forever removed from life before he even had a chance to figure out what life is. For no good reason.

Mankind's flippant attitude towards taking the life of others is sickening. Zimmerman should fry.


I don't know why, but no one ever mentions the Sean Hannity interview Zim did.  Not only did he make things worse for himself, but Zim admitted he had no regrets.  No regrets over killing another human being?  None?  Zero?

Five things that will come back to haunt Zim from that interview.

Full interview on YouTube
 
2013-05-30 02:13:11 PM  

thenumber5: A: Hispanics are "White"
B: Hispanics dont exactly have a great history with blacks either


Yes, but Hispanics vote almost exclusively Democrat, while whites do not. So portraying Zimmerman as white is necessary to push the narrative that liberals so desperately want to believe.
 
2013-05-30 02:13:27 PM  
Cypress Hill vs. Wu-Tang Clan.  Whoever wins, we lose.
 
2013-05-30 02:13:50 PM  

Tatsuma: Why are some people trying to make this as if it's a white versus black thing?

He's hispanic, he's not wasp.


It lets them know which team to cheer for.
 
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