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2013-05-30 12:40:46 PM
Persian girls are hot
 
2013-05-30 12:43:13 PM
Registration site. Couldn't read it. Booooooooooo subby
 
2013-05-30 12:59:55 PM

Walker: Registration site. Couldn't read it. Booooooooooo subby


FYI, all the FP.com sites (including the blogs) use the same stupid registration -- using NoScript lets you blow past it like it's not there. It's silly & very selfish -- useless enough for me to read it any time I want, effective enough that I can't share it with anyone.

/Not stubmitter.
 
2013-05-30 01:02:33 PM

Joelogon: Walker: Registration site. Couldn't read it. Booooooooooo subby

FYI, all the FP.com sites (including the blogs) use the same stupid registration -- using NoScript lets you blow past it like it's not there. It's silly & very selfish -- useless enough for me to read it any time I want, effective enough that I can't share it with anyone.

/Not stubmitter.


Sure, but we shouldn't have to install add-ons to view linked articles.  Bad, subby, bad!
 
2013-05-30 01:03:22 PM
If I want to fark something that smells like a goat, I'll go to the flea market and buy a goat.
 
2013-05-30 01:05:15 PM

jehovahs witness protection: If I want to fark something that smells like a goat, I'll go to the flea market and buy a goat.


Well, you do live in the land of Deliverance.
 
2013-05-30 01:08:26 PM

mysticcat: Persian girls are hot


All the time, that's why they smell so bad.
 
2013-05-30 01:09:10 PM
mysticcatPersian girls are hot


Yes, I agree with this statement and would like to join in the above poster's comments on the relative hawtness of Persian women.
 
2013-05-30 01:09:13 PM
Widespread divorce, declining birthrates, later marriages and increased contraception. Meh.

Wake me up when they offer Harems again.
 
2013-05-30 01:09:44 PM

Rapmaster2000: jehovahs witness protection: If I want to fark something that smells like a goat, I'll go to the flea market and buy a goat.

Well, you do live in the land of Deliverance.


No, those are wild goats. And mind you, goat bites can be nasty.
 
2013-05-30 01:09:49 PM
See if you can guess which posters in this thread have never been with a persian girl
 
2013-05-30 01:11:07 PM
Dick Cheney here and real submitter.... just to clarify
 
2013-05-30 01:12:01 PM

Walker: Registration site. Couldn't read it. Booooooooooo subby


Load page, hit escape key as soon as it finishes loading. Problem solved.
 
2013-05-30 01:12:19 PM
Iran....so far away
 
2013-05-30 01:13:28 PM
TFA:

Part 1:

When someone mentions Iran, what images leap into your mind? Ayatollahs, religious fanaticism, veiled women? How about sexual revolution? That's right. Over the last 30 years, as the mainstream Western media has been preoccupied with the radical policies of the Islamic Republic, the country has undergone a fundamental social and cultural transformation.

While not necessarily positive or negative, Iran's sexual revolution is certainly unprecedented. Social attitudes have changed so much in the last few decades that many members of the Iranian diaspora are shellshocked when they visit the country: "These days Tehran makes London look like a conservative city," a British-Iranian acquaintance recently told me upon returning from Tehran. When it comes to sexual mores, Iran is indeed moving in the direction of Britain and the United States -- and fast.

Good data on Iranian sexual habits are, not surprisingly, tough to come by. But a considerable amount can be gleaned from the official statistics compiled by the Islamic Republic. Declining birth rates, for example, signal a wider acceptance of contraceptives and other forms of family planning -- as well as a deterioration of the traditional role of the family. Over the last two decades, the country has experienced the fastest drop in fertility ever recorded in human history. Iran's annual population growth rate, meanwhile, has plunged to 1.2 percent in 2012 from 3.9 percent in 1986 -- this despite the fact that more than half of Iranians are under age 35.
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At the same time, the average marriage age for men has gone up from 20 to 28 years old in the last three decades, and Iranian women are now marrying at between 24 and 30 -- five years later than a decade ago. Some 40 percent of adults who are of marriageable age are currently single, according to official statistics. The rate of divorce, meanwhile, has also skyrocketed, tripling from 50,000 registered divorces in the year 2000 to 150,000 in 2010. Currently, there is one divorce for every seven marriages nationwide, but in larger cities the rate gets significantly higher. In Tehran, for example, the ratio is one divorce to every 3.76 marriages -- almost comparable to Britain, where 42 percent of marriages end in divorce. And there is no indication that the trend is slowing down. Over the last six months the divorce rate has increased, while the marriage rate has significantly dropped.

Changing attitudes toward marriage and divorce have coincided with a dramatic shift in the way Iranians approach relationships and sex. According to one study cited by a high-ranking Ministry of Youth official in December 2008, a majority of male respondents admitted having had at least one relationship with someone of the opposite sex before marriage. About 13 percent of those "illicit" relationships, moreover, resulted in unwanted pregnancy and abortion -- numbers that, while modest, would have been unthinkable a generation ago. It is little wonder, then, that the Ministry of Youth's research center has warned that "unhealthy relationships and moral degeneration are the leading causes of divorces among the young Iranian couples."

Meanwhile, the underground sex industry has taken off in the last two decades. In the early 1990s, prostitution existed in most cities and towns -- particularly in Tehran -- but sex workers were virtually invisible, forced to operate deep underground. Now prostitution is only a wink and a nod away in many towns and cities across the country. Often, sex workers loiter on certain streets, waiting for random clients to pick them up. Ten years ago, Entekhab newspaper claimed that there were close to 85,000 sex workers in Tehran alone.

Again, there are no good countrywide statics on the number of prostitutes -- the head of Iran's state-run Social Welfare Organization recently told the BBC: "Certain statistics have no positive function in society; instead, they have a negative psychological impact. It is better not to talk about them" -- but available figures suggest that 10 to 12 percent of Iranian prostitutes are married. This is especially surprising given the severe Islamic punishments meted out for sex outside marriage, particularly for women. More surprisingly still, not all sex workers in Iran are female. A new report confirms that middle-aged wealthy women, as well as young and educated women in search of short-term sexual relationships, are seeking the personal services of male sex workers.
 
2013-05-30 01:13:53 PM
escape there is NO escape!
 
2013-05-30 01:14:05 PM
Part 2:

Of course, it would be a mistake to assume that traditional values have completely vanished. Iran's patriarchal culture is still strong, and orthodox values are still maintained by traditional social classes, particularly in provincial towns and villages. But at the same time, it would also be a mistake to assume that sexual liberalization has only gained momentum among the urban middle classes.

So what is driving Iran's sexual revolution? There are a number of potential explanations, including economic factors, urbanization, new communication tools, and the emergence of a highly educated female population -- all of which are probably partly responsible for changing attitudes toward sex. At the same time, however, most of these factors are at play in other countries in the region that are not experiencing analogous transitions. (Indeed, a wave of social conservatism is sweeping much of the Middle East, while Iran moves in the opposite direction.) So what is different in Iran? Paradoxically, it is the puritanical state -- rigid, out of touch, and dedicated to combating "vice" and promoting "virtue" -- that seems to be powering Iran's emergent liberal streak.

Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution that swept Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini into power, the Iranian regime has promoted the idea of collective morality, imposing strict codes of conduct and all but erasing the boundary between private and public spheres. Maintaining the Islamic character of the country has been one of the regime's main sources of legitimacy, and as such, there is virtually no facet of private life that is not regulated by its interpretation of Islamic law. (Indeed, clerics regularly issue fatwas on the acceptability of intimate -- and sometimes extraordinarily unlikely -- sexual scenarios.) But 34 years on, Khomeini's successor has failed to create a utopian society -- a fact that lays bare the moral and ideological bankruptcy of a regime that is already struggling with economic and political crises.

This inconvenient truth is not lost on young people in Iran, where changing sexual habits have become a form of passive resistance. In defying the strictures of the state, Iranians are (consciously or subconsciously) calling its legitimacy into question. Meanwhile, the regime's feeble attempts to counter the seismic shifts currently under way -- such as its repeated warnings about the danger posed by "illicit relationships" -- only further alienate those it wishes to control. Slowly but surely, Iran's sexual revolution is exhausting the ideological zeal of a state that is wedded to the farcical notion of a utopian society and based on brittle, fundamentalist principles.

In New York, Sex and the City may be empty and banal, but in Iran, its social and political implications run deep.
 
2013-05-30 01:14:41 PM
I would, but it's so far away.
 
2013-05-30 01:15:14 PM

timujin: Sure, but we shouldn't have to install add-ons to view linked articles.


This. God some web developers are idiots about that (or, more likely, their superiors are idiots that think paywalls are the answer to monetizing news like the old days..)
 
2013-05-30 01:15:28 PM
And this bonus, from a linked story:

Imagine you are a young man sleeping in your bedroom. In the bedroom directly below, your aunt lies asleep. Now imagine that an earthquake happens that collapses your floor, causing you to fall directly on top of her. For the sake of argument, let's assume that you're both nude, and you're erect, and you land with such perfect precision on top of her that you unintentionally achieve intercourse. Is the child of such an encounter halalzadeh (legitimate) or haramzadeh (a bastard)?

This is why I always sleep with a condom on.
 
2013-05-30 01:15:29 PM

Langdon Alger: Iran....so far away


That joke only works if you use the utterly imbecilic-sounding American pronunciation. If you pronounce it correctly, the joke falls to pieces.
 
2013-05-30 01:17:40 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Rapmaster2000: jehovahs witness protection: If I want to fark something that smells like a goat, I'll go to the flea market and buy a goat.

Well, you do live in the land of Deliverance.

No, those are wild goats. And mind you, goat bites can be nasty.


Why not try a holiday in the South, y'all?

/a goat once bit my sister-cousin...
 
2013-05-30 01:18:04 PM

gweilo8888: Walker: Registration site. Couldn't read it. Booooooooooo subby

Load page, hit escape key as soon as it finishes loading. Problem solved.


Escape did not work. I CAN'T ESCAPE!
 
2013-05-30 01:18:11 PM

Somaticasual: timujin: Sure, but we shouldn't have to install add-ons to view linked articles.

This. God some web developers are idiots about that (or, more likely, their superiors are idiots that think paywalls are the answer to monetizing news like the old days..)


As already pointed out, there is no need for any add-ons, at least in a decent web browser. Hitting escape halts page load / rendering, so if you do it before the popup appears, you prevent it appearing.
 
2013-05-30 01:18:47 PM
I thought the headline was more in reference to this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI
 
2013-05-30 01:19:56 PM

Walker: Escape did not work. I CAN'T ESCAPE!


Hah! Try a decent browser, then. Works just fine in Chrome. (And in Chrome, if you don't halt page load quick enough you can also right-click, inspect element, right-click, delete node to remove the popup from the HTML code and view the page, but you do need a little HTML knowledge to know which bit to delete. For most people, it's easier to just reload the page and hit escape again.)
 
2013-05-30 01:20:27 PM
No thanks.

Well, maybe the womenfolk. And Ahmadinejad (I know...I have some serious issues), but otherwise...no thanks.
 
2013-05-30 01:22:27 PM
Thank You Black Jesus:   See if you can guess which posters in this thread have never been with a persian girl

I said they were pretty. I didn't say they were relationship material.
 
2013-05-30 01:22:39 PM

gweilo8888: Walker: Escape did not work. I CAN'T ESCAPE!

Hah! Try a decent browser, then. Works just fine in Chrome. (And in Chrome, if you don't halt page load quick enough you can also right-click, inspect element, right-click, delete node to remove the popup from the HTML code and view the page, but you do need a little HTML knowledge to know which bit to delete. For most people, it's easier to just reload the page and hit escape again.)


You can do that with Firefox, too.  But, yeah, I'm not liking the trend of 'news' sites putting up these stupid registration thingees.
 
2013-05-30 01:23:19 PM

SirEattonHogg: mysticcat:  Persian girls are hot


Yes, I agree with this statement and would like to join in the above poster's comments on the relative hawtness of Persian women.


I don't know... I may need to see some evidence.
 
2013-05-30 01:23:20 PM
i210.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-30 01:24:48 PM

jehovahs witness protection: If I want to fark something that smells like a goat, I'll go to the flea market and buy a goat.


and your new goat, even he mocks your tiny-ness

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-30 01:25:09 PM
Thanks, Uzzah.
 
2013-05-30 01:26:02 PM
It's a Zionist conspiracy. Sure, when a thread is about Israel there are hot IDF girls up the yinyang, but where are the hot Persian girls?
 
2013-05-30 01:27:55 PM

gweilo8888: As already pointed out, there is no need for any add-ons, at least in a decent web browser. Hitting escape halts page load / rendering, so if you do it before the popup appears, you prevent it appearing.


No worries, it was a rally against the general concept. It's an irritating way to try to boost revenue, much like those sites that load perfectly in the background then get covered over with a big "javascript is required to view this site" banner..
 
2013-05-30 01:27:58 PM

Uzzah: And this bonus, from a linked story:

Imagine you are a young man sleeping in your bedroom. In the bedroom directly below, your aunt lies asleep. Now imagine that an earthquake happens that collapses your floor, causing you to fall directly on top of her. For the sake of argument, let's assume that you're both nude, and you're erect, and you land with such perfect precision on top of her that you unintentionally achieve intercourse. Is the child of such an encounter halalzadeh (legitimate) or haramzadeh (a bastard)?

This is why I always sleep with a condom on.


Dude can't last 3 seconds before completion?
 
2013-05-30 01:29:31 PM
Fark already freed Iran a few years ago so I'm going to assume this revolution they're talking about is to revert it back to the way it was many centuries ago.
 
2013-05-30 01:29:50 PM

gweilo8888: Somaticasual: timujin: Sure, but we shouldn't have to install add-ons to view linked articles.

This. God some web developers are idiots about that (or, more likely, their superiors are idiots that think paywalls are the answer to monetizing news like the old days..)

As already pointed out, there is no need for any add-ons, at least in a decent web browser. Hitting escape halts page load / rendering, so if you do it before the popup appears, you prevent it appearing.


Shouldn't have to do that either... or clear out cookies or whatever else the normal recommendations are.  Siply don't link to sites with pay walls.  When they see their traffic fall, maybe they'll rethink the idea.. conversely, when they see traffic spikes on pages like this one, maybe they think things are working great.
 
2013-05-30 01:30:21 PM
Oh hey... a paywall...
 
2013-05-30 01:32:49 PM

mysticcat: Persian girls are hot


+1
 
2013-05-30 01:34:19 PM
Persian girls make guidettes seem wholesome and down-to-earth.
 
2013-05-30 01:34:29 PM
A link from TFA is better reading:

The Ayatollah Under the Bed(sheets)

Ayatollah Gilani: "Imagine you are a young man sleeping in your bedroom. In the bedroom directly below, your aunt lies asleep. Now imagine that an earthquake happens that collapses your floor, causing you to fall directly on top of her. For the sake of argument, let's assume that you're both nude, and you're erect, and you land with such perfect precision on top of her that you unintentionally achieve intercourse. Is the child of such an encounter halalzadeh (legitimate) or haramzadeh (a bastard)?"
...
In his 1961 religious treatise A Clarification of Questions (Towzih al-Masael), [Ayatollah Ruhollah] Khomeini issued detailed pronouncements on issues ranging from sodomy ("If a man sodomizes the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid") to bestiality ("If a person has intercourse with a cow, a sheep, or a camel, their urine and dung become impure and drinking their milk will be unlawful").
 
2013-05-30 01:35:35 PM
Need to get some?

Some WHAT? I always ask now. I've been burned before....
 
2013-05-30 01:35:46 PM
i liked the official 'some statistics might be embarrassing in light of our claims to moral perfection, so let's not look into those questions' bit.
 
2013-05-30 01:37:04 PM
Christ, do I have to do everything myself? HE SAID PERSIAN GIRLS ARE HOT.

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2013-05-30 01:38:50 PM

gweilo8888: Walker: Registration site. Couldn't read it. Booooooooooo subby

Load page, hit escape key as soon as it finishes loading. Problem solved.


Took me a couple tries to fully understand your instruction.  Hit the Escape key once the page loads but before the registration page starts.  Works fine.  Thanks.
 
2013-05-30 01:41:33 PM

timujin: Shouldn't have to do that either... or clear out cookies or whatever else the normal recommendations are.  Siply don't link to sites with pay walls.  When they see their traffic fall, maybe they'll rethink the idea.. conversely, when they see traffic spikes on pages like this one, maybe they think things are working great.


Yes, heaven forbid that content authors should be allowed to determine how to package their own content. I'm sure your own work is monetized in the manner most acceptable to your customers,and not that most acceptable to yourself, too.

I personally think these popups are a dumb idea, but I understand the justification for them, and I'm not going to campaign against them -- I'll work around them.
 
2013-05-30 01:42:32 PM

Incredulous: Took me a couple tries to fully understand your instruction.  Hit the Escape key once the page loads but before the registration page starts.  Works fine.  Thanks.


You're welcome. You now have a new tool in your web-browsing arsenal. ;-)
 
2013-05-30 01:46:44 PM

Joelogon: Walker: Registration site. Couldn't read it. Booooooooooo subby

FYI, all the FP.com sites (including the blogs) use the same stupid registration -- using NoScript lets you blow past it like it's not there. It's silly & very selfish -- useless enough for me to read it any time I want, effective enough that I can't share it with anyone.

/Not stubmitter.


NoScript, I wouldn't fark without it.
 
2013-05-30 01:48:19 PM
Over the last two decades, the country has experienced the fastest drop in fertility ever recorded in human history. Iran's annual population growth rate, meanwhile, has plunged to 1.2 percent in 2012 from 3.9 percent in 1986 -- this despite the fact that more than half of Iranians are under age 35.

Now, let's see  What terrible thing happened in the 80's to the Iranian population? Oh that's right. The Iran-Iraq war, which apparently Iran is now on the verge of winning through terror. War tends to make people care a lot less about the future.

A similar event happened in Britain. After World War I killed many of their fathers and grandfathers, and after World War II killed many of their fathers, brothers and sons, and after Korea killed many of their fathers brothers and sons, British housewives said to themselves "Fine, you want to kill my children, then I won't have any."
 
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