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(The Commentator)   Maybe somebody should have told the Brits how awesome their gun control is, because the vast majority want US style gun laws   (thecommentator.com) divider line 199
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2013-05-30 10:25:17 AM  
It's an online poll.  As such, it may be interesting that there ~10,000 Brits who want to repeal the ban on handguns, but that doesn't necessarily reflect the majority wishes in the UK.

Of course, I'm a pro-gun rights person, and I think the law in the UK *SHOULD* be repealed, but that's irrelevant as to whether the survey in question is an accurate reflection of public sentiment in the UK.
 
2013-05-30 10:32:19 AM  
Not only is it a completely invalid poll as you point out, it doesn't even say what it says it says.

They asked respondents which of these laws would you like to see changed and gave a list.

I'm actually struggling to think of a less valid experimental design. And I have a psych degree so I've designed a lot of shiatty experiments in my time.
 
2013-05-30 10:34:57 AM  
British citizens really dont give a shiat about defending themselves. You gotta remember that the English folk are completely infatuated with the French and the French are lazy as fark.

As Homer Simpson say's, "Can't someone else do it?"
 
2013-05-30 10:36:18 AM  

cman: British citizens really dont give a shiat about defending themselves. You gotta remember that the English folk are completely infatuated with the French and the French are lazy as fark.

As Homer Simpson says, "Can't someone else do it?"


Wow what a random apostrophe. Fixt.
 
2013-05-30 10:43:33 AM  

Tigger: Not only is it a completely invalid poll as you point out, it doesn't even say what it says it says.


They asked respondents which of these laws would you like to see changed and gave a list.

Actually, yes it does say what it says

The poll asks what law the public would like to see enacted, and one of the choices is literally worded as "Repeal the ban on hand guns".  It doesn't say "Change the law regarding hand guns", which would be only slightly more ambiguous*.

You wouldn't click that choice if you wanted to see the ban on handguns stay, or to be made stricter, because it says "repeal" right in that poll choice.

Of course, as I pointed out, that doesn't make it a valid poll, especially since anyone in or out of the UK could vote.  On a whim, I voted for the "Greening of public spaces" option, to see if it would let me vote.  It did.  So the overwhelming number of people who want to see the handgun ban repealed may not even be in the UK in the first place.

*How you can 'change the law' regarding a complete ban without lifting that ban I don't know.  Maybe you could put handguns on double secret bannage, or something.
 
2013-05-30 10:51:35 AM  

cman: British citizens really dont give a shiat about defending themselves. You gotta remember that the English folk are completely infatuated with the French and the French are lazy as fark.

As Homer Simpson say's, "Can't someone else do it?"


I appreciate that you are stoned as a fox most of the time but have you ever actually been to Britain? Because it doesn't sound like it.
 
2013-05-30 10:58:46 AM  
I was in London last month, and I was drinking in a bar with some people who had come for the inquest on the Hillsborough Disaster, a soccer stamped that killed 100 people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster.

One old guy had survived the riot, and the other guy's father had died. This was right after the Boston Marathon, and when the found out I was from Boston, we obviously began to discuss the parallels in the situations.

Long story short, we got to talking about gun laws. These are people who have absolutely no trust whatsoever in their government, given what they'd gone through, and they STILL think that the idea of individual citizens carrying automatic weapons was absurd.

The old guy was totally opposed to private gun ownership in Brittan, and the younger guy was about as far right on this issue as you get in the UK- he thought people should be able to own and keep pistols and shotguns. As he's saying this, everyone else is taking the piss out of him, calling him a cowboy, a yank etc etc.

it was rather amusing. He was to the left of me on gun ownership, and I'm a dirty hippy from Massachusetts.
 
2013-05-30 11:06:33 AM  
British citizens really dont give a shiat about defending themselves. You gotta remember that the English folk are completely infatuated with the French and the French are lazy as fark.

for real man, I worry about you

take a break from posting or forming opinions, call your mother or other loved one or friend and tell them to have a great day.
 
2013-05-30 11:08:30 AM  

cman: British citizens really dont give a shiat about defending themselves. You gotta remember that the English folk are completely infatuated with the French and the French are lazy as fark.

As Homer Simpson say's, "Can't someone else do it?"


What in the love of fark are you talking about? Do you know anything at all about British history? Of the last say...1000 years?
 
2013-05-30 11:09:34 AM  

Jackson Herring: for real man, I worry about you

take a break from posting or forming opinions, call your mother or other loved one or friend and tell them to have a great day.


No, dude in "European Vacation" Chevy Chase keeps hitting Eric Idle with his car and Eric Idle apologizes instead of blowing him away with a big gun and that movie is based on facts
 
2013-05-30 11:09:47 AM  
What a load of horse shiate.
 
2013-05-30 11:09:48 AM  
Are the Irony Police here yet?
 
2013-05-30 11:10:09 AM  

Tigger: cman: British citizens really dont give a shiat about defending themselves. You gotta remember that the English folk are completely infatuated with the French and the French are lazy as fark.

As Homer Simpson say's, "Can't someone else do it?"

I appreciate that you are stoned as a fox most of the time but have you ever actually been to Britain? Because it doesn't sound like it.


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2013-05-30 11:11:18 AM  
Interesting sociological experiment here.  Repeal the gun law and see what happens to gun violence over the upcoming years.
 
2013-05-30 11:11:39 AM  
most gun violence in the UK is about drug turf. In other words, one drug dealer's enforcer shooting another drug dealer's enforcer. Create a legal and controlled market in recreational narcotics and you'll solve the violence problem.
 
2013-05-30 11:11:44 AM  

Tigger: I have a psych degree so I've designed a lot of shiatty experiments in my time.


Isn't that the norm for the field.
 
2013-05-30 11:12:16 AM  
Of course they want guns.

They are tired of getting stabbed by yobbos and want to be able to protect themselves.  Anti-social behavior there is really out of hand.
 
2013-05-30 11:12:43 AM  

dittybopper: It's an online poll.  As such, it may be interesting that there ~10,000 Brits who want to repeal the ban on handguns, but that doesn't necessarily reflect the majority wishes in the UK.

Of course, I'm a pro-gun rights person, and I think the law in the UK *SHOULD* be repealed, but that's irrelevant as to whether the survey in question is an accurate reflection of public sentiment in the UK.


Yeah, this reeks of ballot stuffing.
 
2013-05-30 11:13:42 AM  

dittybopper: It's an online poll.  As such, it may be interesting that there ~10,000 Brits who want to repeal the ban on handguns, but that doesn't necessarily reflect the majority wishes in the UK.


carefull, fark antigunnutters might start to think that their popular opinion on here doesn't mean shiat in reality.
 
2013-05-30 11:13:59 AM  

hasty ambush: Tigger: I have a psych degree so I've designed a lot of shiatty experiments in my time.

Isn't that the norm for the field.


No, you're thinking experimental physicists.
 
2013-05-30 11:14:35 AM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: dittybopper: It's an online poll.  As such, it may be interesting that there ~10,000 Brits who want to repeal the ban on handguns, but that doesn't necessarily reflect the majority wishes in the UK.

carefull, fark antigunnutters might start to think that their popular opinion on here doesn't mean shiat in reality.


like the 90% of people who wanted expanded background checks?
 
2013-05-30 11:15:25 AM  

what_now: Dr. Goldshnoz: dittybopper: It's an online poll.  As such, it may be interesting that there ~10,000 Brits who want to repeal the ban on handguns, but that doesn't necessarily reflect the majority wishes in the UK.

carefull, fark antigunnutters might start to think that their popular opinion on here doesn't mean shiat in reality.

like the 90% of people who wanted expanded background checks?


you mean the 90% of people who responded to a poll aimed at antigunnutters?
 
2013-05-30 11:15:56 AM  
Seriously, we don't.
 
2013-05-30 11:16:12 AM  

fluffy2097: Of course they want guns.

They are tired of getting stabbed by yobbos and want to be able to protect themselves.  Anti-social behavior there is really out of hand.


Darn good thing these yobbos won't use guns once the nation is awash with them.
 
2013-05-30 11:17:31 AM  
The right to self-defense is a large part of what separates "citizens" from "subjects."
 
2013-05-30 11:17:43 AM  
Well when you see people standing around while another is getting his head cut off, the mind tends to wander.
 
2013-05-30 11:17:46 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Darn good thing these yobbos won't use guns once the nation is awash with them.


Once you shoot and kill the yobbo's, they don't come back.

It will only take a year or so and things will settle down nicely.


/oh wait, we can't actually remove problematic people from society
//we have to encourage them to be problematic so they can harm people.
///UK should ban knives, and fists.
 
2013-05-30 11:18:02 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: dittybopper: It's an online poll.  As such, it may be interesting that there ~10,000 Brits who want to repeal the ban on handguns, but that doesn't necessarily reflect the majority wishes in the UK.

Of course, I'm a pro-gun rights person, and I think the law in the UK *SHOULD* be repealed, but that's irrelevant as to whether the survey in question is an accurate reflection of public sentiment in the UK.

Yeah, this reeks of ballot stuffing.


By tomorrow, there will be 20 billion votes to repeal the handgun ban.
 
2013-05-30 11:19:10 AM  

what_now: These are people who have absolutely no trust whatsoever in their government, given what they'd gone through, and they STILL think that the idea of individual citizens carrying automatic weapons was absurd.


To be fair, essentially nobody (including in the US) is proposing that individual citizens carry automatic (i.e., full-auto) weapons.
 
2013-05-30 11:19:15 AM  
Here, I'm just going to scatter a few of these around this thread and see what happens

www.tintoyarcade.com
 
2013-05-30 11:19:40 AM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: what_now: Dr. Goldshnoz: dittybopper: It's an online poll.  As such, it may be interesting that there ~10,000 Brits who want to repeal the ban on handguns, but that doesn't necessarily reflect the majority wishes in the UK.

carefull, fark antigunnutters might start to think that their popular opinion on here doesn't mean shiat in reality.

like the 90% of people who wanted expanded background checks?

you mean the 90% of people who responded to a poll aimed at antigunnutters?


I mean the 90% of the United States population who think that if you have a warrant out for your arrest, you should be prevented from purchasing an automatic rifle out of some guys trunk at a "gun show".

But apparently, if you do that, you're hurting white Jesus and George Washington.
 
2013-05-30 11:19:57 AM  

dittybopper: Tigger: Not only is it a completely invalid poll as you point out, it doesn't even say what it says it says.

They asked respondents which of these laws would you like to see changed and gave a list.

Actually, yes it does say what it says

The poll asks what law the public would like to see enacted, and one of the choices is literally worded as "Repeal the ban on hand guns".  It doesn't say "Change the law regarding hand guns", which would be only slightly more ambiguous*.

You wouldn't click that choice if you wanted to see the ban on handguns stay, or to be made stricter, because it says "repeal" right in that poll choice.

Of course, as I pointed out, that doesn't make it a valid poll, especially since anyone in or out of the UK could vote.  On a whim, I voted for the "Greening of public spaces" option, to see if it would let me vote.  It did.  So the overwhelming number of people who want to see the handgun ban repealed may not even be in the UK in the first place.

*How you can 'change the law' regarding a complete ban without lifting that ban I don't know.  Maybe you could put handguns on double secret bannage, or something.




Citizens only?
 
2013-05-30 11:20:06 AM  
Great scientific polling. Here's another example, from the same paper, that found that the vast majority of Britons want to ban abortion:

If given the choice, which of these activities would you ban?

A) Sexual intercourse
B) Drinking alcohol
C) Eating sandwiches
D) Watching television
E) Abortion
 
2013-05-30 11:20:09 AM  
Hey, all I know is I live in America, and I can't get a pistol permit, so which US-style gun laws are you talking about?  How am I supposed to be cool if I can't get me a Glock?
 
2013-05-30 11:20:28 AM  
www.mediaite.com
 
2013-05-30 11:20:43 AM  

fluffy2097: HotWingConspiracy: Darn good thing these yobbos won't use guns once the nation is awash with them.

Once you shoot and kill the yobbo's, they don't come back.

It will only take a year or so and things will settle down nicely.


/oh wait, we can't actually remove problematic people from society
//we have to encourage them to be problematic so they can harm people.
///UK should ban knives, and fists.


yeah def what society needs is for more people to be killed

fark yesssssss my dick is so hard right now
 
2013-05-30 11:20:50 AM  

what_now: I mean the 90% of the United States population who think that if you have a warrant out for your arrest, you should be prevented from purchasing an automatic rifle out of some guys trunk at a "gun show".


Considering that's already illegal, I'm not really sure what your point is.
 
2013-05-30 11:21:17 AM  
You can't have gun battles without guns. Stands to reason. And you can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat.
 
2013-05-30 11:21:28 AM  
Self-selecting poll in the Torygraph is self-selecting.
 
2013-05-30 11:22:02 AM  
Yes, Fox News also has a lot of online polls showing a majority of Americans want abortion outlawed and Obama impeached. Subby is just sad that conservative intellectual icon Bachman is resigning due to her ethics investigation.
 
2013-05-30 11:22:20 AM  
Why don't we just ship all the anti-gun weenies over there? Problem solved.
 
2013-05-30 11:23:21 AM  

what_now: I mean the 90% of the United States population who think that


google says us population is 313.9 million. please show me your citation that 282.5 million us citizens threw their support behind feinstein and brady campaign measures.
 
2013-05-30 11:23:25 AM  

farkeruk: most gun violence in the UK is about drug turf. In other words, one drug dealer's enforcer shooting another drug dealer's enforcer. Create a legal and controlled market in recreational narcotics and you'll solve the violence problem.


It's the same in the US.

Unless you live in a pretty small geographic area and/or are a member of a very small demographic group*, your odds of being murdered in the US are much smaller than the national average (which is at a historical lows right now, btw) would suggest.

*Specifically, those involved in the drug trade, or those who live with, near, or around those involved.
 
2013-05-30 11:23:34 AM  

GurneyHalleck: Hey, all I know is I live in America, and I can't get a pistol permit, so which US-style gun laws are you talking about?  How am I supposed to be cool if I can't get me a Glock?


That's because you live in a coastal state.  All coastal states are pretty f*cking retahded.
 
2013-05-30 11:23:55 AM  

BunkoSquad: Here, I'm just going to scatter a few of these around this thread and see what happens


Finally, a gun made for the Irish.
 
2013-05-30 11:23:58 AM  

heypete: what_now: I mean the 90% of the United States population who think that if you have a warrant out for your arrest, you should be prevented from purchasing an automatic rifle out of some guys trunk at a "gun show".

Considering that's already illegal, I'm not really sure what your point is.


But it's totally unfair to knock anti-gunners for not knowing anything about guns. They should be commended for being against things that have long been illegal.
 
2013-05-30 11:24:12 AM  

Molavian: GurneyHalleck: Hey, all I know is I live in America, and I can't get a pistol permit, so which US-style gun laws are you talking about?  How am I supposed to be cool if I can't get me a Glock?

That's because you live in a coastal state.  All coastal states are pretty f*cking retahded.


Sorry, I meant "wicked retahded."
 
2013-05-30 11:24:21 AM  
Not even worth opening the link. It's just stupid and biased. It's like asking Fox news readers if they think Obama is a good president, or posting do you want to keep your weapons on the NRA web site. What a waste of my time subby.
 
2013-05-30 11:24:31 AM  

fluffy2097: Of course they want guns.

They are tired of getting stabbed by yobbos and want to be able to protect themselves.  Anti-social behavior there is really out of hand.


[citation needed]
 
2013-05-30 11:25:07 AM  

cman: British citizens really dont give a shiat about defending themselves. You gotta remember that the English folk are completely infatuated with the French and the French are lazy as fark.

As Homer Simpson say's, "Can't someone else do it?"


...have you ever even left the continental US or are you trolling your ass off?
 
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