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(Mother Jones)   Resistance is futile, exile is inevitable. You, Newtok, are going to be America's first climate refugees   (motherjones.com) divider line 55
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2013-05-30 12:50:05 PM
NOLA?
 
2013-05-30 01:00:36 PM
damn near copy and paste of original article
 
2013-05-30 01:01:48 PM

Heathen: damn near copy and paste of original article


d'oh, I accidentely a word
 
2013-05-30 01:03:26 PM
Forgot to add "maybe" at the end there, subby.
 
2013-05-30 01:04:12 PM
I see a reality TV series in the making "Climate Change Refugees".

/maybe then, people will start paying attention
 
2013-05-30 01:04:45 PM
To be fair, the native Alaskans never used Newtok for anything more then a seasonal stopover point. Even they thought it was a terrible place to live, and they thought it before climate change.
 
2013-05-30 01:05:37 PM
 "It has steadily been eating away at the land, carrying off 100 feet or more some years"

"the notion they will now be forced to run in chaos from ancestral lands. "


Clearly the river is an unstoppable juggernaut, moving in on them at a reported 100 feet or more some years.  What are they expected to do?  Move to the  other side of the river? That's the BAD side of the river!
 
2013-05-30 01:06:33 PM
For what reason do local legislators simply enact a law stating that sea level rise must be measured and calculated in a way that assumes that man-made climate change does not occur?
 
2013-05-30 01:08:25 PM

Tr0mBoNe: NOLA?


Nope.
media1.shmoop.com
 
2013-05-30 01:09:15 PM

Mytch: "It has steadily been eating away at the land, carrying off 100 feet or more some years"

"the notion they will now be forced to run in chaos from ancestral lands. "

Clearly the river is an unstoppable juggernaut, moving in on them at a reported 100 feet or more some years.  What are they expected to do?  Move to the  other side of the river? That's the BAD side of the river!


It seems to me that in order for the river to be eating away 100 feet a year, the town must be built on a sandbar.  It would seem that redirecting the river would be an option. They're right at the coast, so that should work.  Then again, given the size of the town, it's probably easier to just up and move it.
 
2013-05-30 01:12:46 PM

kradio: I see a reality TV series in the making "Climate Change Refugees".

/maybe then, people will start paying attention


Well, global climate change would be a perfect candidate for the fake/scripted reality TV medium.
 
2013-05-30 01:17:13 PM
This sounds less about climate change and more about the fact they built on a sandbar in the middle of a raging river, which is a stupid location to build in the first place. And as someone else mentioned, why the hell can't they just move to the other side of the river?
 
2013-05-30 01:17:19 PM
When I saw "Resistance is futile" I thought the refugees would be from Ωmaha...
 
2013-05-30 01:23:37 PM

unchellmatt: When I saw "Resistance is futile" I thought the refugees would be from Ωmaha...


Has an Apokolips occurred there recently?
 
2013-05-30 01:28:24 PM
How often does this happen, and for how long has it been happening?
 
2013-05-30 01:28:32 PM
Ugh.  More drive-by media crap trying to convince us that sea levels are rising.
 
2013-05-30 01:28:39 PM
Start spreading the news. I'm leaving today. I'm gonna move away from you. Newtok, Newtok.
 
2013-05-30 01:31:10 PM

Heathen: damn near copy and paste of original article


This.
 
2013-05-30 01:31:30 PM
If we call the people who move due to erosion "climate refugees", then these are hardly the first.
 
2013-05-30 01:36:45 PM
Well, the headline is right ... Resistance is futile. If the climate is going to change there isn't a damn thing we as humans can do about it.
 
2013-05-30 01:43:04 PM
24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

Matthew: 24-27
 
2013-05-30 01:46:16 PM

s2s2s2: How often does this happen, and for how long has it been happening?


Umm, since the beginning of time. There are thousands of submerged cities and towns ringing the Mediterranean alone. Not long ago, there wasn't an English Channel. England was attached to Europe around 10,000 years ago.
 
2013-05-30 01:47:06 PM
I thought it is a bit strange they were using the term Eskimo (seal  eaters) I had heard that word has fallen out of favor and was even considered pejorative. A bit like calling Native Americans, Indians
 
2013-05-30 01:48:39 PM

pup.socket: If we call the people who move due to erosion "climate refugees", then these are hardly the first.


^^^ This... it is called EROSION and has been happening for millennia.
 
2013-05-30 01:55:30 PM

Catlenfell: I thought it is a bit strange they were using the term Eskimo (seal  eaters) I had heard that word has fallen out of favor and was even considered pejorative. A bit like calling Native Americans, Indians


I learned last year that "Native American" is also derogatory.  They're to be called aboriginals now.  Of course, we were being told that by a blonde woman who stated she was something like 1/32 native blood and has never lived on a reservation.  Speaking of which, I believe my mother's father had some Irish relatives.  Therefore, I get on my soapbox every time someone offers me potatoes.

/oh, yeah, we all like potatoes don't we?
//hey everybody, why don't you take a look at us potato eaters
///what are you all staring at?  never seen a freckle before!?
 
jvl
2013-05-30 01:56:00 PM
Problem: Morons build on sandbar being eaten by river.

While AGW may have accelerated the process a small bit, it seems to me that's scapegoating the real problem.
 
2013-05-30 01:56:45 PM
Good God, that article is a piece of sensationalistic crap. I want to flog the writer with a trophy from a Stephen King fan fiction award banquet.
 
jvl
2013-05-30 01:57:43 PM

Catlenfell: I thought it is a bit strange they were using the term Eskimo (seal  eaters) I had heard that word has fallen out of favor and was even considered pejorative. A bit like calling Native Americans, Indians


Canadian First Peoples consider it pejorative, so most Canadians treat it as pejorative and avoid it.  Native Americans in Alaska do not consider it pejorative, so Americans still use the term freely.
 
2013-05-30 01:59:44 PM

Spare Me: 24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

Matthew: 24-27


I loved Johnny Cash's Belshazzar as a kid, I was a weird kid, now I'm a weirder grump.
 
2013-05-30 02:12:23 PM

Catlenfell: I thought it is a bit strange they were using the term Eskimo (seal  eaters) I had heard that word has fallen out of favor and was even considered pejorative. A bit like calling Native Americans, Indians


Plenty of Native Americans still call themselves Indians (though most want to be identified by their specific tribe/people rather than a generic term).
 
2013-05-30 02:13:51 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Mytch: "It has steadily been eating away at the land, carrying off 100 feet or more some years"

"the notion they will now be forced to run in chaos from ancestral lands. "

Clearly the river is an unstoppable juggernaut, moving in on them at a reported 100 feet or more some years.  What are they expected to do?  Move to the  other side of the river? That's the BAD side of the river!

It seems to me that in order for the river to be eating away 100 feet a year, the town must be built on a sandbar.  It would seem that redirecting the river would be an option. They're right at the coast, so that should work.  Then again, given the size of the town, it's probably easier to just up and move it.


Sam says: "Send 'em luggage! You live in a farking river! AH! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!"
 
2013-05-30 02:18:24 PM

Mytch: Catlenfell: I thought it is a bit strange they were using the term Eskimo (seal  eaters) I had heard that word has fallen out of favor and was even considered pejorative. A bit like calling Native Americans, Indians

I learned last year that "Native American" is also derogatory.  They're to be called aboriginals now.  Of course, we were being told that by a blonde woman who stated she was something like 1/32 native blood and has never lived on a reservation.  Speaking of which, I believe my mother's father had some Irish relatives.  Therefore, I get on my soapbox every time someone offers me potatoes.

/oh, yeah, we all like potatoes don't we?
//hey everybody, why don't you take a look at us potato eaters
///what are you all staring at?  never seen a freckle before!?


As another Mick, I prefer the term "Muck Monkey"
 
2013-05-30 02:50:45 PM
The graphic does little justice to the actual geography of the place. The village is basically built in a permafrost swamp. The actual map of the area shows the landscape is more water than land. It looks like swiss cheese.
 
2013-05-30 02:51:08 PM
You are all missing the point.  If we don't look at these poor people and their suffering as caused solely by white people raping and pillaging then how can we possibly guilty those stupid whities into doing stupid things?
 
2013-05-30 03:02:30 PM
Your town was going to washed down river regardless of any climate change because your town in built on a bend of a meandering river and there is a reason why they are called meandering rivers, they are constantly moving around in their flood plain.
 
2013-05-30 03:12:14 PM

Macular Degenerate: The graphic does little justice to the actual geography of the place. The village is basically built in a permafrost swamp. The actual map of the area shows the landscape is more water than land. It looks like swiss cheese.


So it is Alaska's version of Stiltsville.
 
2013-05-30 03:12:40 PM
Oh? What about the Maldive Islands?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives#Environmental_issues

Looking pretty precarious there.
 
2013-05-30 03:13:50 PM

Mytch: "It has steadily been eating away at the land, carrying off 100 feet or more some years"

"the notion they will now be forced to run in chaos from ancestral lands. "

Clearly the river is an unstoppable juggernaut, moving in on them at a reported 100 feet or more some years.  What are they expected to do?  Move to the  other side of the river? That's the BAD side of the river!


They could stop whining for a moment and realize the river isn't the boss of them.
Some days you just gotta give up on trying to respect nature and say "FARK YOU RIVER! FARK YOU!!".

dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-05-30 03:33:06 PM

Mytch: "It has steadily been eating away at the land, carrying off 100 feet or more some years"

"the notion they will now be forced to run in chaos from ancestral lands. "

Clearly the river is an unstoppable juggernaut, moving in on them at a reported 100 feet or more some years.  What are they expected to do?  Move to the  other side of the river? That's the BAD side of the river!


I'm thinking that if the river tends to cause large amounts of erosion on its banks, maybe you're going to have to move anyway, and it won't be that the town is "underwater" but that the town was washed downstream
 
2013-05-30 03:40:17 PM
General circulation models project that the future climate change will bring wetter coasts, drier mid-continent areas, and further sea level rise. Such changes could result in the gravest effects of climate change through sudden human migration. Millions might be displaced by shoreline erosions, river and coastal flooding, or severe drought.


And yet I find myself wanting to live long enough to see it. An odd thing for some one with bouts of crushing depression.
 
2013-05-30 03:53:20 PM

loonatic112358: Mytch: "It has steadily been eating away at the land, carrying off 100 feet or more some years"

"the notion they will now be forced to run in chaos from ancestral lands. "

Clearly the river is an unstoppable juggernaut, moving in on them at a reported 100 feet or more some years.  What are they expected to do?  Move to the  other side of the river? That's the BAD side of the river!

I'm thinking that if the river tends to cause large amounts of erosion on its banks, maybe you're going to have to move anyway, and it won't be that the town is "underwater" but that the town was washed downstream


Yup, found the heavy dosing this article poured on about climate change to be a bit off-putting. Rivers, no matter what the climate is, erode things. You live right on the water on essentially a sandbar? You bring the risk of erosion upon yourself no matter how many generations upon generations have lived there.

Nothing to do with climate change. Just basic river physics. Take Geography 101
 
2013-05-30 03:58:05 PM

jvl: Canadian First Peoples consider it pejorative


s'funny. Canada's first people are presently living in Peru.
 
2013-05-30 04:05:44 PM
www.motherjones.com
The proof it right here in this graph from TFA!

Unless you look at it to show that the temp has held the same overall pattern and nothing is out of 'record' range
 
2013-05-30 04:50:58 PM
Hmmm, let's see:

1. Build town surrounded by river;

2. Watch natural erosion wash town away;

3. Blame global warming rather than your own stupidity.

That about get it?
 
2013-05-30 05:54:10 PM
Sweet babbling buddha ... in a process moving at unusual speed because of climate change.

She had a dream she lives too close to a river. (forehead slap)

The Green River out this way loses considerable bankage every Spring Melt ... it's just the river eroding the bank. IT'S NATURAL! And you don't go live  near where the river can eat you. 95% of humanity learned this a long time ago. And then made Building Codes for the dummies who can't wrap their pea-brains around the concept of ... let's see ...  floodplain.

Wowsers

(do I smell patchouli?)
 
2013-05-30 06:15:34 PM

ronaprhys: You are all missing the point.  If we don't look at these poor people and their suffering as caused solely by white people raping and pillaging then how can we possibly guilty those stupid whities into doing stupid things?


Heh. Didn't RTFA, did ya?
 
2013-05-30 06:53:19 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Sweet babbling buddha ... in a process moving at unusual speed because of climate change.

She had a dream she lives too close to a river. (forehead slap)

The Green River out this way loses considerable bankage every Spring Melt ... it's just the river eroding the bank. IT'S NATURAL! And you don't go live  near where the river can eat you. 95% of humanity learned this a long time ago. And then made Building Codes for the dummies who can't wrap their pea-brains around the concept of ... let's see ...  floodplain.

Wowsers

(do I smell patchouli?)


The Green River in Wyoming?
 
2013-05-30 10:05:20 PM
My grandmother was born and raised in one of these communities.  My father is full blood Eskimo, making me half.  As such, I would like to say, farkign move!  Seriously, your shiathole village of 350 inbred blood relatives is about to go bye bye.  This isn't your native farking land, it was a summer campground.  You have no heritage there and even if you did, move anyway.  That shiat was 500 - 1000 years ago.  Adapt or go extinct.


Respectfully, your brethren.

And I'm a farking Eskimo.  Get over your rich white guilt.
 
2013-05-30 10:24:21 PM
There's only one thing to do:  move to Otisville.
 
2013-05-31 12:14:06 AM
Just wanted to say, I looked up the airport info. The airport is at 25 feet above sea level and it is next to the town. Somehow, I think a few more people might notice 25 extra feet of sea level.

/But, hey, keep farking that chicken.
 
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