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2013-05-30 10:54:49 AM  
Could we kill interleague play already? Not even Mets-Yankees sells out any more.

As a Reds fan I'd rather see more of the NL teams they'd possibly face in October, and fewer games against the Mariners and A's. Even among the interesting interleague matchups between good teams, the odds are long that the two teams will meet again in the World Series.
 
2013-05-30 11:20:31 AM  

Gulper Eel: Could we kill interleague play already?


It's not going anywhere. Deal with it.

The number of teams in the leagues necessitates it, you're only getting a few more interleague games per team a year under the current setup than in the past and the current system is FAR more balanced in regards to it than in the past.

Matter at hand, as a Yankees fan, I have no words (except these.. that I'm typing.. shut up!). Last night means the Yankees have already lost the season series to the Mets and face a season sweep tonight.

Not even Mets-Yankees sells out any more.

It sold out. Attendance was low because the weather is awful. Tuesday's game had a two hour delay and yesterday there were tornadoes and flooding upstate.
 
2013-05-30 11:27:58 AM  

Gulper Eel: Not even Mets-Yankees sells out any more.


To be fair, the Mets suck and Yankee ticket prices should be considered a war crime.
 
2013-05-30 11:32:22 AM  

WTF Indeed: Gulper Eel: Not even Mets-Yankees sells out any more.

To be fair, the Mets suck and Yankee ticket prices should be considered a war crime.


That Alex Rodriguez contract isn't going to pay itself, y'know.
 
2013-05-30 11:32:25 AM  

The Bestest: The number of teams in the leagues necessitates it


I just did the math real quick, but with 15 teams in a league and no interleague games, the regular season would have to start at the beginning of March and end sometime towards the end of October.

So I'm ok with this.
 
2013-05-30 11:34:01 AM  

The Bestest: It sold out. Attendance was low because the weather is awful. Tuesday's game had a two hour delay and yesterday there were tornadoes and flooding upstate.


Attendance:

tues:31,877 (76% full)
wed:  43,681 (86.9% full)

oh really
 
2013-05-30 11:35:12 AM  

DeWayne Mann: The Bestest: The number of teams in the leagues necessitates it

I just did the math real quick, but with 15 teams in a league and no interleague games, the regular season would have to start at the beginning of March and end sometime towards the end of October.

So I'm ok with this.


and 2 teams will have 3-4 days off in a row at all times?
 
2013-05-30 11:38:02 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: DeWayne Mann: The Bestest: The number of teams in the leagues necessitates it

I just did the math real quick, but with 15 teams in a league and no interleague games, the regular season would have to start at the beginning of March and end sometime towards the end of October.

So I'm ok with this.

and 2 teams will have 3-4 days off in a row at all times?


Yeah. What would be really fun are the weekends. I'm sure teams would love not playing on those.

Actually, I may be able to trim that down a BIT if I did a lot more weird stuff. For instance, instead of a 3 game series, play 2 games one week, then one next week. Or schedule more double headers. That sort of thing
 
2013-05-30 11:39:20 AM  
This is the reality check for the Yankees, as currently constructed they're nowhere near as good as their record indicates.
 
2013-05-30 11:40:54 AM  

The Bestest: It sold out. Attendance was low because the weather is awful. Tuesday's game had a two hour delay and yesterday there were tornadoes and flooding upstate.


Because a ton of people are going to make a six-hour drive each way on the Thruway on a Wednesday to attend a Yankee game.  Right.

The Box score from MLB.com says the attendance was 43,681.  That's not a sell-out, Cupcake.
 
2013-05-30 11:42:19 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: The Bestest: It sold out. Attendance was low because the weather is awful. Tuesday's game had a two hour delay and yesterday there were tornadoes and flooding upstate.

Attendance:

tues:31,877 (76% full)
wed:  43,681 (86.9% full)

oh really


He didn't say everyone showed up.
 
2013-05-30 11:43:00 AM  

DeWayne Mann: Actually, I may be able to trim that down a BIT if I did a lot more weird stuff. For instance, instead of a 3 game series, play 2 games one week, then one next week. Or schedule more double headers. That sort of thing


Also known as stuff MLBPA would never go for.
 
2013-05-30 11:43:41 AM  

DeWayne Mann: Actually, I may be able to trim that down a BIT if I did a lot more weird stuff. For instance, instead of a 3 game series, play 2 games one week, then one next week. Or schedule more double headers. That sort of thing


That's not TV-friendly, thus double-headers aren't scheduled (except on-the-fly, during the season, for rainouts).

And eliminating weekends?  That's when a lot of people have the ability to go to games.
 
2013-05-30 11:44:26 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: He didn't say everyone showed up.


Attendance is calculated on the number of tickets sold, not butts in seats.
 
2013-05-30 11:44:39 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Dead for Tax Reasons: The Bestest: It sold out. Attendance was low because the weather is awful. Tuesday's game had a two hour delay and yesterday there were tornadoes and flooding upstate.

Attendance:

tues:31,877 (76% full)
wed:  43,681 (86.9% full)

oh really

He didn't say everyone showed up.


attendence is calculated as tickets sold, not asses in seats

that was actually the 3rd best attendance this year, with no games, not even opening day (w/ 49512, cap. 50287), selling out
 
2013-05-30 11:44:53 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: This is the reality check for the Yankees, as currently constructed they're nowhere near as good as their record indicates.


This is the first time the Yankees have lost three or more games in a row this season. Niese isn't a bad pitcher and Harvey is on his way to a CY Young.  Both Yankee pitchers in those games pitched well enough to get the win but didn't. Last night's game was the only one that the Yankees looked lost.

Now they are getting Youk and Tex back on Friday so let's see how it goes for a month or so before we start calling for heads to roll.
 
2013-05-30 11:46:00 AM  

LessO2: Attendance is calculated on the number of tickets sold, not butts in seats.


who the hell told you that?
 
2013-05-30 11:47:13 AM  

LessO2: HotWingConspiracy: He didn't say everyone showed up.

Attendance is calculated on the number of tickets sold, not butts in seats.


I think the Yankees get around that by giving "charity" tickets away. If you ask their front office, every game is a sell out.
 
2013-05-30 11:48:11 AM  

The Bestest: DeWayne Mann: Actually, I may be able to trim that down a BIT if I did a lot more weird stuff. For instance, instead of a 3 game series, play 2 games one week, then one next week. Or schedule more double headers. That sort of thing

Also known as stuff MLBPA would never go for.


I think the 2game1game thing would appeal to them, because it would result in less prolonged periods of having time off. It would completely eliminate 4 game series, for instance.

LessO2: And eliminating weekends? That's when a lot of people have the ability to go to games.


Which is probably why my dream of an 8 or 9 month regular season will never happen :(
 
2013-05-30 11:49:32 AM  
ok, nevermind.. apparently they did change it to counting tickets sold.. and quite some time ago too.. mea culpa
 
2013-05-30 11:50:33 AM  

DeWayne Mann: I think the 2game1game thing would appeal to them, because it would result in less prolonged periods of having time off. It would completely eliminate 4 game series, for instance.


It would also significantly increase travel, something they hate.
 
2013-05-30 11:51:09 AM  

WTF Indeed: Yanks_RSJ: This is the reality check for the Yankees, as currently constructed they're nowhere near as good as their record indicates.

This is the first time the Yankees have lost three or more games in a row this season. Niese isn't a bad pitcher and Harvey is on his way to a CY Young.  Both Yankee pitchers in those games pitched well enough to get the win but didn't. Last night's game was the only one that the Yankees looked lost.

Now they are getting Youk and Tex back on Friday so let's see how it goes for a month or so before we start calling for heads to roll.


That's why I said "as currently constructed".  They're mediocre offensively, and that's with Wells, Overbay and Hafner exceeding expectations.

Yes, Teixeira and Youkilis (barf) will help.
 
2013-05-30 11:51:16 AM  

The Bestest: ok, nevermind.. apparently they did change it to counting tickets sold.. and quite some time ago too.. mea culpa


yeah there was a lot of talk about that with the sox continuing their 'sellout streak' earlier in the season
 
2013-05-30 11:53:01 AM  

The Bestest: DeWayne Mann: I think the 2game1game thing would appeal to them, because it would result in less prolonged periods of having time off. It would completely eliminate 4 game series, for instance.

It would also significantly increase travel, something they hate.


Well, obviously, I haven't yet sat down and worked out the intricacies of this whole system, but if you're getting 2 or 3 days off at a time, travel might not be as much of a concern.
 
2013-05-30 11:57:37 AM  
Interleague play is not the true bane of MLB scheduling. It's the unbalanced schedule. Teams that once had historic rivalries are now limited to two series a year.
 
2013-05-30 11:58:11 AM  

WTF Indeed: Yanks_RSJ: This is the reality check for the Yankees, as currently constructed they're nowhere near as good as their record indicates.

This is the first time the Yankees have lost three or more games in a row this season. Niese isn't a bad pitcher and Harvey is on his way to a CY Young.  Both Yankee pitchers in those games pitched well enough to get the win but didn't. Last night's game was the only one that the Yankees looked lost.

Now they are getting Youk and Tex back on Friday so let's see how it goes for a month or so before we start calling for heads to roll.


Heh, the Yankees looking to Kevin Youkilis for help.  That just sounds strange.

And Texeira?  Doesn't it normally take him two months to warm up for the season?
 
2013-05-30 12:05:28 PM  
2013 New York Yankees: 93 OPS+
2013 Seattle Mariners: 96 OPS+

Thank God that the pitching has been there or things would be REALLY ugly right now
 
2013-05-30 12:05:43 PM  

Gulper Eel: Could we kill interleague play already? Not even Mets-Yankees sells out any more.


With 15 teams per league, nope.
 
2013-05-30 12:07:09 PM  

Rex_Banner: 2013 New York Yankees: 93 OPS+
2013 Seattle Mariners: 96 OPS+

Thank God that the pitching has been there or things would be REALLY ugly right now


pitching was the problem in last night's game. (when did Phelps morph into AJ Burnett?)
 
2013-05-30 12:20:37 PM  
So I realized we have computers for a reason. I told OOTP to generate a league with 15 teams and 162 games. I then created the entire league in Connecticut because I thought that would be funny. It thought about it for awhile, then spit out a schedule with an April 1 Opening day and a Sept 25 last day.

I was like "wow, I was really really wrong."

And then I realized that the game actually broke itself. 9 teams played 150 games. 6 played 153. 6 teams played more home games than away, 6 were even, 3 had more away. Looking at the actual teams, things get even sillier.

So, West Haven played a total of 18 home weekend (sat/sun) games. They also only had 72 home games in general, vs 78 away.

East Hartford & New Milford played 25 home games. Luckily those two both played 78 home & 75 away so that sort of evens out? Wait, no.

Oh, and there was no All-Star Game.

So that was fun.
 
2013-05-30 12:26:06 PM  

DeWayne Mann: I then created the entire league in Connecticut because I thought that would be funny.


This has to be the strangest and most severe delayed reaction to the Whalers leaving I have ever seen.
 
2013-05-30 12:29:15 PM  

The Bestest: DeWayne Mann: I then created the entire league in Connecticut because I thought that would be funny.

This has to be the strangest and most severe delayed reaction to the Whalers leaving I have ever seen.


And then Virginia stole my Norwich Navigators/Connecticut Defenders! And no, the Connecticut Tigers don't count, because short season sucks.

/haven't even lived in CT since 2008
 
2013-05-30 12:35:29 PM  
Mets fan here.  These last few days have given me the most unexpected thrills since the ball went through Buckner's legs.  Yes, the Mets suck.  But damn it, we're beating the Yankees and somehow that means something.  To be fair to the Yanks (who I wish all success to, unless they're playing the Mets), I think I recognized only one or two names in their lineup.  They've had a lot of bad luck with players on the DL, and by no means is this evidence that overall the Mets are better than the Yankees.  So please let us enjoy this moment of triumph that our regular starters are capable of narrowly defeating the Yankees' third stringers.
 
2013-05-30 12:36:37 PM  

The Bestest: Rex_Banner: 2013 New York Yankees: 93 OPS+
2013 Seattle Mariners: 96 OPS+

Thank God that the pitching has been there or things would be REALLY ugly right now

pitching was the problem in last night's game. (when did Phelps morph into AJ Burnett?)


Hey now, that's a bit harsh, isn't it? At least AJ could complete the first inning
 
2013-05-30 12:41:23 PM  

DeWayne Mann: The Bestest: DeWayne Mann: I then created the entire league in Connecticut because I thought that would be funny.

This has to be the strangest and most severe delayed reaction to the Whalers leaving I have ever seen.

And then Virginia stole my Norwich Navigators/Connecticut Defenders! And no, the Connecticut Tigers don't count, because short season sucks.

/haven't even lived in CT since 2008


Did Brooklyn steal a team and rename it the "Brooklyn [Former City]s"?
 
2013-05-30 12:43:29 PM  

Rex_Banner: DeWayne Mann: The Bestest: DeWayne Mann: I then created the entire league in Connecticut because I thought that would be funny.

This has to be the strangest and most severe delayed reaction to the Whalers leaving I have ever seen.

And then Virginia stole my Norwich Navigators/Connecticut Defenders! And no, the Connecticut Tigers don't count, because short season sucks.

/haven't even lived in CT since 2008

Did Brooklyn steal a team and rename it the "Brooklyn [Former City]s"?


That's a good name.

Of course, knowing about how early teams treated nicknames, I fully assume they just kept their old Hartford jerseys to play in while in Brooklyn. Maybe added an S at the end with the 19th century version of a sharpie.
 
2013-05-30 12:43:58 PM  
My friend went to the game yesterday and told me it was 5-0 before he even sat down.
 
2013-05-30 01:25:55 PM  

Gulper Eel: Could we kill interleague play already? Not even Mets-Yankees sells out any more.


Giants-A's does.  HATERS GONNA HATE.

though the Giants lost all 3 so far.  fark.
 
2013-05-30 01:46:18 PM  

DeWayne Mann: So I realized we have computers for a reason. I told OOTP to generate a league with 15 teams and 162 games. I then created the entire league in Connecticut because I thought that would be funny. It thought about it for awhile, then spit out a schedule with an April 1 Opening day and a Sept 25 last day.

I was like "wow, I was really really wrong."

And then I realized that the game actually broke itself. 9 teams played 150 games. 6 played 153. 6 teams played more home games than away, 6 were even, 3 had more away. Looking at the actual teams, things get even sillier.

So, West Haven played a total of 18 home weekend (sat/sun) games. They also only had 72 home games in general, vs 78 away.

East Hartford & New Milford played 25 home games. Luckily those two both played 78 home & 75 away so that sort of evens out? Wait, no.

Oh, and there was no All-Star Game.

So that was fun.


You could actually get a somewhat balanced schedule with the current integrated schedule.

1 series each interleague team = 15x3 = 45.
2 series each non-division team = 10x3x2 = 60
4 series each division team = 4x3x4 = 48

That's 153 games.  If you added one AL game for the natural rival and a couple 4-game series in the division, you have a 162 game schedule where 153 games are balanced.  The only problem is that you alternate home and away with the interleague teams year after year.
 
2013-05-30 01:50:13 PM  

Daniels: You could actually get a somewhat balanced schedule with the current integrated schedule.

1 series each interleague team = 15x3 = 45.
2 series each non-division team = 10x3x2 = 60
4 series each division team = 4x3x4 = 48

That's 153 games. If you added one AL game for the natural rival and a couple 4-game series in the division, you have a 162 game schedule where 153 games are balanced. The only problem is that you alternate home and away with the interleague teams year after year.


Uh, yeah. My entire thing was about eliminating interleague entirely, but keeping an odd number of teams in each league.

But thanks?
 
2013-05-30 01:54:02 PM  

whenIsayGO: Mets fan here.  These last few days have given me the most unexpected thrills since the ball went through Buckner's legs.  Yes, the Mets suck.  But damn it, we're beating the Yankees and somehow that means something.  To be fair to the Yanks (who I wish all success to, unless they're playing the Mets), I think I recognized only one or two names in their lineup.  They've had a lot of bad luck with players on the DL, and by no means is this evidence that overall the Mets are better than the Yankees.  So please let us enjoy this moment of triumph that our regular starters are capable of narrowly defeating the Yankees' third stringers.


Enjoy it, man.  And good on ya for being a cool Mets fan - there are far too few of those on Fark.
 
2013-05-30 01:59:02 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Daniels: You could actually get a somewhat balanced schedule with the current integrated schedule.

1 series each interleague team = 15x3 = 45.
2 series each non-division team = 10x3x2 = 60
4 series each division team = 4x3x4 = 48

That's 153 games. If you added one AL game for the natural rival and a couple 4-game series in the division, you have a 162 game schedule where 153 games are balanced. The only problem is that you alternate home and away with the interleague teams year after year.

Uh, yeah. My entire thing was about eliminating interleague entirely, but keeping an odd number of teams in each league.

But thanks?


Eliminating interleague is never going to happen.  You should probably move on and focus your energy on unifying the DH rule in whatever way you think appropriate.
 
2013-05-30 02:03:25 PM  

Daniels: Eliminating interleague is never going to happen. You should probably move on and focus your energy on unifying the DH rule in whatever way you think appropriate.


Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and suggest you go ahead and reread the whole thread.
 
2013-05-30 02:05:08 PM  

Daniels: Eliminating interleague is never going to happen.  You should probably move on and focus your energy on unifying the DH rule in whatever way you think appropriate.


Why are there 9 players in a batting order?  Why 9?  Why not make it 8?  Of course that would fark with statistics, but why was it originally 9?

Ooh ooh I know the answer...
 
2013-05-30 02:24:26 PM  

Gulper Eel: Could we kill interleague play already?


No. I'm not going back to the 6 team NL Central.

Not even Mets-Yankees sells out any more.

Cubs-Sox hasn't sold out in years. It used to be the hottest ticket in town; now they're only averaging 30k+. I would suggest that MLB not schedule these interleague rivalry games during weekdays in May, and instead move them back to being a weekend series in mid-June and July.

/it doesn't help that the Cubs and White Sox both suck, and have sucked for the past several years
 
2013-05-30 02:44:14 PM  

germ78: Gulper Eel: Could we kill interleague play already?

No. I'm not going back to the 6 team NL Central.

Not even Mets-Yankees sells out any more.

Cubs-Sox hasn't sold out in years. It used to be the hottest ticket in town; now they're only averaging 30k+. I would suggest that MLB not schedule these interleague rivalry games during weekdays in May, and instead move them back to being a weekend series in mid-June and July.

/it doesn't help that the Cubs and White Sox both suck, and have sucked for the past several years


Most of it is from what you point out in the slashie.  But scheduling these teams so often doesn't help either.

And really, is it worth it to go to any sporting event that costs about the same (tickets, parking, food for an entire family) as a car payment or a couple of weeks worth of food?  I don't care if it's Cubs/Sox, Yankees/Mets or Dodgers/Angels, I'm paying my bills first before giving it to Bud Selig.
 
2013-05-30 03:16:49 PM  

germ78: Cubs-Sox hasn't sold out in years. It used to be the hottest ticket in town; now they're only averaging 30k+. I would suggest that MLB not schedule these interleague rivalry games during weekdays in May, and instead move them back to being a weekend series in mid-June and July.


The Giants and A's manage to do it every time even though fewer people live here.

Maybe it's Chicago fans.
 
2013-05-30 03:26:14 PM  

idesofmarch: whenIsayGO: Mets fan here.  These last few days have given me the most unexpected thrills since the ball went through Buckner's legs.  Yes, the Mets suck.  But damn it, we're beating the Yankees and somehow that means something.  To be fair to the Yanks (who I wish all success to, unless they're playing the Mets), I think I recognized only one or two names in their lineup.  They've had a lot of bad luck with players on the DL, and by no means is this evidence that overall the Mets are better than the Yankees.  So please let us enjoy this moment of triumph that our regular starters are capable of narrowly defeating the Yankees' third stringers.

Enjoy it, man.  And good on ya for being a cool Mets fan - there are far too few of those on Fark.


Indeed.  This is our World Series.  Harvey signs with the Yanks in 3... 2... 1...
 
2013-05-30 03:31:21 PM  

Daniels: With 15 teams per league, nope.


There's no need to play all 14 teams in the league equally.

Give me 18 games each against the four division opponents - that's 72, then for the other 90 play 9 games each against the other 10 teams in the league, and each year you alternate as to who gets that extra home series. One year the Reds play the Mets six times in New York and three times in Cincinnati, then the next year it's three in NY and six in Cincy, and so forth.
 
2013-05-30 03:38:35 PM  

Gulper Eel: There's no need to play all 14 teams in the league equally.


You're completely missing the point. See DeWayne Mann's posts.

GoldSpider: Harvey signs with the Yanks in 3... 2... 1...


Nah.. this season is the signal to the Yankees' decline (or at the very least a few year lull).
Hal is still adamant about getting under the cap next year and given the team's relative success so far this year with a roster comprised of the baseball equivalent of a Pick'n'Pull shopping spree, he's likely not going to change his mind. Given that they still need to re-sign Cano and that they've sold YES to Fox, things are gonna look quite different for the next few years at least.
 
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