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(CBS News)   Assad claims he has received top of the line Russian anti-aircraft system. Putin and Bibi seen putting on their wrestling outfits   (cbsnews.com) divider line 45
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2013-05-30 09:04:18 AM
This should end well....
 
2013-05-30 09:04:20 AM
Trick question. Who's going to operate this high tech, complicated equipment?
 
2013-05-30 09:05:48 AM
So it's only what, 20 or 30 years behind our tech?
 
2013-05-30 09:08:06 AM

Molavian: So it's only what, 20 or 30 years behind our tech?


Silly goose.

It is our tech. They bought it from the Chinese.
 
2013-05-30 09:09:11 AM

phrawgh: Trick question. Who's going to operate this high tech, complicated equipment?


Russian "advisors"?

How soon before Israel ships some Derbys to Georgia?
 
2013-05-30 09:09:43 AM

phrawgh: Molavian: So it's only what, 20 or 30 years behind our tech?

Silly goose.

It is our tech. They bought it from the Chinese.


American Components! Russian Components! ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!
 
2013-05-30 09:12:01 AM
Assad also said he will never harm his own people because that's just crazy!
I'll take his word for it.
 
2013-05-30 09:12:20 AM

Molavian: So it's only what, 20 or 30 years behind our tech?


The Russians have always produced very good AA systems.  A couple of reasons for this:

1. They tended to produce lower quality fighters than the west
2. They realized it's a hell of a lot cheaper to train a missile tech and buy him a bunch of rockets than it is to train a pilot and buy him a fighter.
 
2013-05-30 09:13:27 AM
Is this different than the same crappy Russian anti-air that let the Israelis through a week or two ago?
 
2013-05-30 09:16:42 AM
man, I sure missed the Cold War. Glad to see it's making a come back.
 
2013-05-30 09:17:01 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Is this different than the same crappy Russian anti-air that let the Israelis through a week or two ago?


Yes

The S-300 has enough range that Syria can target flights at TLV
 
2013-05-30 09:19:37 AM

Aarontology: man, I sure missed the Cold War. Glad to see it's making a come back.


Dude totally, everything 80s is back in style now.
 
2013-05-30 09:21:27 AM

thoughtless: Aarontology: man, I sure missed the Cold War. Glad to see it's making a come back.

Dude totally, everything 80s is back in style now.


HELL YEAH HYPERCOLORS.
 
2013-05-30 09:21:30 AM

thoughtless: Aarontology: man, I sure missed the Cold War. Glad to see it's making a come back.

Dude totally, everything 80s is back in style now.


Politics hipsters.

why do i even bother anymore.
 
2013-05-30 09:24:19 AM
Incoming cruise missiles in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1....

Ah, who am I kidding.  We all know Israel can accomplish their goals using nothing but C4 and motorcycle uzi teams like they always have.
 
2013-05-30 09:24:48 AM

Smoking GNU: thoughtless: Aarontology: man, I sure missed the Cold War. Glad to see it's making a come back.

Dude totally, everything 80s is back in style now.

Politics hipsters.

why do i even bother anymore.


I was into Cold War east west tension revival before it was cool- Vlad "DJ Impaler" Putin
 
2013-05-30 09:26:40 AM
Assad hasn't received A-300.

Didn't happen yet.   The claim has been walked back...
 
2013-05-30 09:27:45 AM
Sunny, I'm pretty sure Putin wrestles in the nude like a true gladiator would. Bibi would take one look at his bulging pectoral muscles and forfeit.
 
2013-05-30 09:29:18 AM
Israel doesn't have to enter Syrian air space to target the S-300s, and I bet they have more cruise missiles than Syria has SAMs.
 
2013-05-30 09:32:09 AM
Another "proxy war?"  As a peaceful resolution, why not partition and divide Syria into two countries?

/like Korea?
 
2013-05-30 09:41:33 AM

SoupJohnB: Another "proxy war?"


not really. Israel is fighting for it's own reasons, not on behalf of the US; and the Russians are trying to stabilized a country that's traditionally been well within their sphere of influence. The US has been sending aid to the rebels, but no weapons.
 
2013-05-30 09:42:02 AM
I meant S-300 btw...

" Russian state-owned arms exporter Rosoboronexport declined to comment on whether elements of the S-300 system had been successfully delivered to Syria ..."

The systems destined to eventually destined to go to Syria, imo,  have not even been assembled yet.
It takes time to put these things together and test them etc... etc...

It would take several more weeks to deliver them.  (If not several more months)
 
2013-05-30 09:43:05 AM

devildog123: Molavian: So it's only what, 20 or 30 years behind our tech?

The Russians have always produced very good AA systems.  A couple of reasons for this:

1. They tended to produce lower quality fighters than the west
2. They realized it's a hell of a lot cheaper to train a missile tech and buy him a bunch of rockets than it is to train a pilot and buy him a fighter.


AA doesn't really work in today's air war environment. You fire drones into their air space, and when they light up their radars to shoot them, you fire high-speed anti-radiation missiles to take the radar out. Once the radar is gone, the AA missiles are just really expensive fireworks. Supposedly, the S-300 has a 125-mile range, but an air target would have to be VERY high off the ground to show up on its tracking radar; radar is line-of-sight. Between drones, cruise missiles and other long-range, precision weapons, you don't have to put your strike pilots in danger until the AA threat is gone.
 
2013-05-30 09:46:02 AM

zedster: phrawgh: Trick question. Who's going to operate this high tech, complicated equipment?

Russian "advisors"?

How soon before Israel ships some Derbys to Georgia?


Bingo. Russian "advisors". Added insurance, in Putin's mind: Israel won't strike crated missile systems with Russian advisors standing right next to them...right? That could be construed as an attack on Russia. Israel wouldn't do THAT, right?

Unfortunately for Putin (and arguably everyone else) of course they would.
 
2013-05-30 09:57:03 AM
Without radar, SA's are useless ...


Israel sky-hacked, switched off Syrian radars countrywide.  Dayr az-Zawr, biatches.
 
2013-05-30 09:57:22 AM
Next thing you know, Putin will be supporting a Communist coup in Cuba.
 
2013-05-30 09:57:23 AM

emarche: Unfortunately for Putin (and arguably everyone else) of course they would.


wouldn't be the first time, happened over Egypt at least once
 
2013-05-30 09:57:30 AM

devildog123: The Russians have always produced very good AA systems.  A couple of reasons for this:

1. They tended to produce lower quality fighters than the west
2. They realized it's a hell of a lot cheaper to train a missile tech and buy him a bunch of rockets than it is to train a pilot and buy him a fighter.


Alonjar: We all know Israel can accomplish their goals using nothing but C4 and motorcycle uzi teams like they always have.


Moral of the story: Don't try to wage economic war on the Israelis. Especially when their lives are on the line.

/really it would be best if Europe and Russia would just quit trying to start a second Holocaust
//but that's not going to happen, because losers are always going to blame someone else for their failures, and who makes a better target than the people who refuse to be victims any more?
 
2013-05-30 10:05:41 AM
From what I've read in previous threads / articles, it would be six months to a year and a half until these things were operational and the crews trained.
 
2013-05-30 10:08:23 AM

SoupJohnB: Another "proxy war?"  As a peaceful resolution, why not partition and divide Syria into two countries?

/like Korea?


I always find it humorous when you hear an American saying that in order to prevent violent civil war, a country should be partitioned.
 
2013-05-30 10:08:37 AM

Tatterdemalian: devildog123: The Russians have always produced very good AA systems.  A couple of reasons for this:

1. They tended to produce lower quality fighters than the west
2. They realized it's a hell of a lot cheaper to train a missile tech and buy him a bunch of rockets than it is to train a pilot and buy him a fighter.

Alonjar: We all know Israel can accomplish their goals using nothing but C4 and motorcycle uzi teams like they always have.

Moral of the story: Don't try to wage economic war on the Israelis. Especially when their lives are on the line.

/really it would be best if Europe and Russia would just quit trying to start a second Holocaust
//but that's not going to happen, because losers are always going to blame someone else for their failures, and who makes a better target than the people who refuse to be victims any more?


Care to clarify this statement?
 
2013-05-30 10:11:30 AM

devildog123: SoupJohnB: Another "proxy war?"  As a peaceful resolution, why not partition and divide Syria into two countries?

/like Korea?

I always find it humorous when you hear an American saying that in order to prevent violent civil war, a country should be partitioned.


You mean because so many Americans have fought in a civil war?
 
2013-05-30 10:21:19 AM
♫ Peace...Peace sells...♫
 
2013-05-30 10:25:55 AM
This shipment just fulfills an old contract signed before the war, so, yeah
 
2013-05-30 10:31:38 AM

Source4leko: Tatterdemalian: devildog123: The Russians have always produced very good AA systems.  A couple of reasons for this:

1. They tended to produce lower quality fighters than the west
2. They realized it's a hell of a lot cheaper to train a missile tech and buy him a bunch of rockets than it is to train a pilot and buy him a fighter.

Alonjar: We all know Israel can accomplish their goals using nothing but C4 and motorcycle uzi teams like they always have.

Moral of the story: Don't try to wage economic war on the Israelis. Especially when their lives are on the line.

/really it would be best if Europe and Russia would just quit trying to start a second Holocaust
//but that's not going to happen, because losers are always going to blame someone else for their failures, and who makes a better target than the people who refuse to be victims any more?

Care to clarify this statement?


See, if you criticize Israel in the slightest or deal with their enemies, you're trying to start a second Holocaust.  Duh.
 
2013-05-30 10:46:52 AM
So...?

It's only interesting if there are plans to invade Syria.

And there are no plans to invade Syria, right?
 
2013-05-30 11:15:19 AM

devildog123: SoupJohnB: Another "proxy war?"  As a peaceful resolution, why not partition and divide Syria into two countries?

/like Korea?

I always find it humorous when you hear an American saying that in order to prevent violent civil war, a country should be partitioned.


My dad served as an Army Medic in Korea. Landed at Inchon to support the invasion, after the initial assaults and landings.  Always had a lot of good things to say about the Marines, and Airborne Rangers who were there.

In the early 19 - farking - Fifties!  Hu-ah?  No - Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot?

/Semper Fi, dude
 
2013-05-30 11:17:51 AM

Alonjar: devildog123: SoupJohnB: Another "proxy war?"  As a peaceful resolution, why not partition and divide Syria into two countries?

/like Korea?

I always find it humorous when you hear an American saying that in order to prevent violent civil war, a country should be partitioned.

You mean because so many Americans have fought in a civil war?


No, because America fought a brutal, bloody Civil War (with the federal government doing everything it possibly could to keep the Confederates from gaining foreign recognition and support), and I don't think that outside a small percentage of southern crackers that anyone truly believes that the continent would be better off if we had just separated into two countries.
 
2013-05-30 11:36:27 AM

devildog123: Alonjar: devildog123: SoupJohnB: Another "proxy war?"  As a peaceful resolution, why not partition and divide Syria into two countries?

/like Korea?

I always find it humorous when you hear an American saying that in order to prevent violent civil war, a country should be partitioned.

You mean because so many Americans have fought in a civil war?

No, because America fought a brutal, bloody Civil War (with the federal government doing everything it possibly could to keep the Confederates from gaining foreign recognition and support), and I don't think that outside a small percentage of southern crackers that anyone truly believes that the continent would be better off if we had just separated into two countries.


The continent maybe not, but America would have stayed as America was envisioned. And no, I'm not talking about slavery, I'm talking politically
 
2013-05-30 12:25:42 PM
And so it begins.
 
2013-05-30 01:56:45 PM

Gdalescrboz: This shipment just fulfills an old contract signed before the war, so, yeah


All perfectly legal. And now Israel can blow them up.
 
2013-05-30 08:27:55 PM

thoughtless: Aarontology: man, I sure missed the Cold War. Glad to see it's making a come back.

Dude totally, everything 80s is back in style now.


STOP.
songsofsirens.files.wordpress.com
Hammer time.
 
2013-05-30 08:28:35 PM

SoupJohnB: Another "proxy war?"  As a peaceful resolution, why not partition and divide Syria into two countries?

/like Korea?


Splitters!
 
2013-05-30 08:32:33 PM

devildog123: Alonjar: devildog123: SoupJohnB: Another "proxy war?"  As a peaceful resolution, why not partition and divide Syria into two countries?

/like Korea?

I always find it humorous when you hear an American saying that in order to prevent violent civil war, a country should be partitioned.

You mean because so many Americans have fought in a civil war?

No, because America fought a brutal, bloody Civil War (with the federal government doing everything it possibly could to keep the Confederates from gaining foreign recognition and support), and I don't think that outside a small percentage of southern crackers that anyone truly believes that the continent would be better off if we had just separated into two countries.


25.media.tumblr.com
Some people seem to think it should happen.
 
2013-05-30 09:11:00 PM

ciberido: devildog123: Alonjar: devildog123: SoupJohnB: Another "proxy war?"  As a peaceful resolution, why not partition and divide Syria into two countries?

/like Korea?

I always find it humorous when you hear an American saying that in order to prevent violent civil war, a country should be partitioned.

You mean because so many Americans have fought in a civil war?

No, because America fought a brutal, bloody Civil War (with the federal government doing everything it possibly could to keep the Confederates from gaining foreign recognition and support), and I don't think that outside a small percentage of southern crackers that anyone truly believes that the continent would be better off if we had just separated into two countries.

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Some people seem to think it should happen.


So, who get's the right wingers in Alaska?  I don't think they'd fit in well with the United States of Canada, but I'm not sure you'd want Jesusland's hat hanging over your head.  And I think they'd get most of the ICBMs and military bases.  I'm not sure that would work well.
 
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