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2013-05-30 10:38:16 AM  
Man, what the fark is up with Cleveland these days?
 
2013-05-30 10:38:18 AM  
Has anyone read The Heart is Decietful Above All Things?
 
2013-05-30 10:39:04 AM  
Man, what the fark is up with music teachers these days?
 
2013-05-30 10:41:35 AM  
But he is kind and supportive and he would never hurt her. We just don't understand their love for each other.
 
2013-05-30 10:42:50 AM  

Karma Curmudgeon: Man, what the fark is up with music teachers these days?


One of my music teachers from the '70s was transferred down to the middle school because he was hitting on the high school girls.  But then he started hitting on the middle school girls.  So nothing really new here.
 
2013-05-30 10:43:40 AM  
Man, what the fark is up with Motels these days?
 
2013-05-30 10:46:04 AM  

megarian: Has anyone read The Heart is Decietful Above All Things?



No, but I saw the movie.

Disturbing.
 
2013-05-30 10:46:27 AM  
FTA:  threatened to hurt her or himself with glass from a broken ashtray if she tried to escape

Oh no, please don't hurt yourself Mr. Kidnapper.  I mean it, stop...
 
2013-05-30 10:47:04 AM  

Karma Curmudgeon: Man, what the fark is up with music teachers these days?


It's the "in A minor" joke. Everybody wants a piece of that.
 
2013-05-30 10:48:20 AM  
If he was a girl you'd all have websites devoted to freeing him.
 
2013-05-30 10:50:01 AM  

steve_wmn: Karma Curmudgeon: Man, what the fark is up with music teachers these days?

One of my music teachers from the '70s was transferred down to the middle school because he was hitting on the high school girls.  But then he started hitting on the middle school girls.  So nothing really new here.


The music teacher at my high school married one of his students a few years before I attended. He must have been in his 50's. We called him "God".
 
2013-05-30 10:50:59 AM  

steve_wmn: Karma Curmudgeon: Man, what the fark is up with music teachers these days?

One of my music teachers from the '70s was transferred down to the middle school because he was hitting on the high school girls.  But then he started hitting on the middle school girls.  So nothing really new here.


One of my music teachers from the 80s in secondary school was arrested for the same, I never really followed the story so don't know if it amounted to anything. I guess music teachers are fairly unique in that they often have reason to have 1 on 1 sessions with their students*, which is fairly rare for other subjects, so it wouldn't be too surprising if they were disproportionately represented in such things, but I have never seen any reliable stats on it.

*Giggity
 
2013-05-30 10:52:11 AM  
What really strikes a chord here is that he took the dominant position of attempting to hold her captive.  He'll of course be band from ever teaching again, but this episode diminishes yet again the respect people have for the teaching profession. With any luck he'll be on the sharp end of a shiv in no time flat.
 
2013-05-30 10:52:53 AM  
Chicks dig musicians. Chicks have always been into musicians. This is nothing new.
 
2013-05-30 10:53:58 AM  
So if they do a Remake of Holland Opus, Richard Dreyfus would have banged the hell of that one girl?
 
2013-05-30 10:54:03 AM  
humbert humbert something something
 
2013-05-30 10:55:05 AM  

serial_crusher: If he was a girl you'd all have websites devoted to freeing him.


'specially if it was a female teacher and a female student.  That's hawt.
 
2013-05-30 10:55:15 AM  

FullMetalPanda: So if they do a Remake of Holland Opus, Richard Dreyfus would have banged the hell of that one girl?


You didn't see the "Directors Cut"?
 
2013-05-30 10:57:48 AM  
Sea Shell Motel?? What, you sleep on a Conch, which is all whelk and good if your are instar that. Obviously this guy thought he was a real starfish to kidnap an urchin smarter than him. And of course we all know the porpoise of the kidnapping. He'll claim it was a budding relationship, but evidence will show it wasn't an asexual reproduction of the other Cleveland kidnapper.

I could go on, but I won't...:)

Seriously, I live here. I want to know why no one checked his background?
 
2013-05-30 10:57:56 AM  

WhippingBoy: FullMetalPanda: So if they do a Remake of Holland Opus, Richard Dreyfus would have banged the hell of that one girl?

You didn't see the "Directors Cut"?


The director showed me his cut, then threatened to hurt me or himself with glass from a broken ash tray if I tried to escape.
 
2013-05-30 11:06:44 AM  
Was he teaching her to master the skin flute?
 
2013-05-30 11:09:35 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Pffft, amateur.
 
2013-05-30 11:09:58 AM  
They say he was a music teacher at their church

Church-going music teacher/pedophile trifecta in play?
 
2013-05-30 11:16:03 AM  
Well at least it wasent the Hotel Coral Essex.

Years after I finished Middle School the shop teacher got in trouble for sleeping with a student years before I had attended. He was a very popular teacher and had a rich with that bought him a Mercedes. It was all over the news and cause quiet the shiat stor. One of the problems IIRC was the girl came forward after the statute of limitations had run out.
 
2013-05-30 11:21:17 AM  

groppet: Well at least it wasent the Hotel Coral Essex.

Years after I finished Middle School the shop teacher got in trouble for sleeping with a student years before I had attended. He was a very popular teacher and had a rich with that bought him a Mercedes. It was all over the news and cause quiet the shiat stor. One of the problems IIRC was the girl came forward after the statute of limitations had run out.


NERDS!
 
2013-05-30 11:42:06 AM  
A church gave a sex offender access to minors?
I am shocked. SHOCKED, I say!
 
2013-05-30 11:55:16 AM  
I know a girl who is married to a music teacher.  He seems normal, but everyone has a creepy music teacher story and it makes me wonder.
 
2013-05-30 11:58:15 AM  

UrukHaiGuyz: What really strikes a chord here is that he took the dominant position of attempting to hold her captive.  He'll of course be band from ever teaching again, but this episode diminishes yet again the respect people have for the teaching profession. With any luck he'll be on the sharp end of a shiv in no time flat.


Guh.  Too many puns to sus out in one reading.
 
2013-05-30 11:58:45 AM  
At my old school it was the volleyball coach....so this isn't only limited to art teachers.
 
2013-05-30 12:01:27 PM  

pute kisses like a man: humbert humbert something something


LOL

/i hated that movie
//not a shelley winters fan
 
2013-05-30 12:07:12 PM  

gunga galunga: Man, what the fark is up with Cleveland these days?


Been that way for a long time.
 
2013-05-30 12:09:10 PM  

wambu: gunga galunga: Man, what the fark is up with Cleveland these days?

Been that way for a long  time.


i.imgur.com

/Image too large
//FARK cannot implement auto-scaling?
///WTF?
 
2013-05-30 12:12:12 PM  

groppet: Well at least it wasent the Hotel Coral Essex.



i.imgur.com

One of the all-time great PS3 games.
 
2013-05-30 12:21:41 PM  
At what point did he think it was a good idea to run off with that guy.
 
2013-05-30 12:41:23 PM  

Toby Flenderson: UrukHaiGuyz: What really strikes a chord here is that he took the dominant position of attempting to hold her captive.  He'll of course be band from ever teaching again, but this episode diminishes yet again the respect people have for the teaching profession. With any luck he'll be on the sharp end of a shiv in no time flat.

Guh.  Too many puns to sus out in one reading.


Yeah I got a bit greedy there. The court in my head rules 5-4 I should take a Time Out.
 
2013-05-30 12:43:47 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Toby Flenderson: UrukHaiGuyz: What really strikes a chord here is that he took the dominant position of attempting to hold her captive.  He'll of course be band from ever teaching again, but this episode diminishes yet again the respect people have for the teaching profession. With any luck he'll be on the sharp end of a shiv in no time flat.

Guh.  Too many puns to sus out in one reading.

Yeah I got a bit greedy there. The court in my head rules 5-4 I should take a Time Out.


Or you will be dancing a Blue Rondo with a Turk.  A most unsquare dance.
 
2013-05-30 12:54:35 PM  

CruJones: FTA:  threatened to hurt her or himself with glass from a broken ashtray if she tried to escape

Oh no, please don't hurt yourself Mr. Kidnapper.  I mean it, stop...


I had a guy threaten to kill himself if I wouldn't sleep with him once. He held a razor blade to his wrist and swore he really meant it.

I said "here, I'll help!" and reached for his hand.

/He didn't let me, and apparently he didn't really want to sleep with me *that* badly, though he did go around telling everyone he had.
//Every time someone asked, I told them exactly what happened.
///Hilarity ensued.
 
2013-05-30 01:04:56 PM  

FullMetalPanda: So if they do a Remake of Holland Opus, Richard Dreyfus would have banged the hell of that one girl?



Yeah, baby, put your tongue on Mister Holland's Anus.
 
2013-05-30 01:11:21 PM  

airsupport: FullMetalPanda: So if they do a Remake of Holland Opus, Richard Dreyfus would have banged the hell of that one girl?


Yeah, baby, put your tongue on Mister Holland's Anus.


Givin' him the ol' Rimsky Korsakov, eh?
 
2013-05-30 01:21:53 PM  
I had some pretty hot teachers back in the day and one in particular I knew was right on the cusp of pedophilia....
 
2013-05-30 01:23:06 PM  

RaiderFanMikeP: Man, what the fark is up with Motels these days?


According to Wiki Martha Davis reformed the band in 1999 as The Motels featuring Martha Davis and they are still touring
 
2013-05-30 01:39:33 PM  

Thunderboy: They say he was a music teacher at their church


I came here to say that, hence the added emphasis.


Church-going music teacher/pedophile trifecta in play?

Both young women were seventeen (17), which in most "western" countries (and many LDNs) is well past puberty, therefore neither man was a pedophile. To quote the Wikipedia article on Pedophilia (link):


This article is about the sexual interest in prepubescent children. For the sexual act, see Child sexual abuse. For the primary sexual interest in 11-14 year old pubescents, see Hebephilia. For mid-to-late adolescents (15-19), see Ephebophilia.[...]
As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in persons 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children (generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnosis criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13).


Which is not to say there was nothing wrong with his (alleged) behavior, only that it was not pedophiliac.


Please make a note of this: I might eventually get tired of correcting you people on this simple issue over & over again.

The version you can scrawl on your forearm before the test: puberty+ != pedo

Got it yet?

(A 27 year old on OKCupid accused me of pedophilia for writing to her. Seriously. Was she some kind of medical marvel or just an ordinary idiot?)
 
2013-05-30 03:24:23 PM  

The One True TheDavid: (A 27 year old on OKCupid accused me of pedophilia for writing to her. Seriously. Was she some kind of medical marvel or just an ordinary idiot?)


Maybe she had Kallmann Syndrome.
 
2013-05-30 07:36:09 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: What really strikes a chord here is that he took the dominant position of attempting to hold her captive.  He'll of course be band from ever teaching again, but this episode diminishes yet again the respect people have for the teaching profession. With any luck he'll be on the sharp end of a shiv in no time flat.


You're a natural at this.
 
2013-05-30 11:55:55 PM  

xria: I guess music teachers are fairly unique in that they often have reason to have 1 on 1 sessions with their students*, which is fairly rare for other subjects, so it wouldn't be too surprising if they were disproportionately represented in such things, but I have never seen any reliable stats on it.


Coaches do, too. And guess what the other most popular position is?

BTW, notice that this guy is a music teacher at a church. That means he probably didn't even need a music degree. He's not like a pastor who would have to go through training (at least, in any decently sized church). He's not even the music director, who would need to actually sing well. He's the music teacher--all he'd need to do is play in high school band or something.

So he's in a pretty good position to be sneaky like this. Though I have to wonder why type of church doesn't do background checks these days....
 
2013-05-31 01:15:26 AM  

The One True TheDavid: I might eventually get tired of correcting you people on this simple issue over & over again.


Why wait?  Also, what do you mean "you people"?

/"pedophile" is the new "kleenex"
 
2013-05-31 04:12:38 PM  

Thunderboy: The One True TheDavid:

I might eventually get tired of correcting you people on this simple issue over & over again.

Why wait?  Also, what do you mean "you people"?


You people who can't absorb a simple factual definition. You know, people who insist on being unreasonably stupid. Especially those who think it's cool to talk about how somebody accused of "pedophilia" should be seriously physically harmed.

If s/he's past puberty it's not a pedophiliac event. Period.


/"pedophile" is the new "kleenex"

Tell me the last time it was considered cool to say someone accused of being a facial tissue should be gangraped in prison.

Tellya what: y'all say "pedophile" about someone who's into 17 year olds and I'll go back to saying "n*****" like my grandparents used to. And how "kikes" are out to do Bad Things to everybody else. And how "Oriental" chicks are "cut" slant-wise. Because nosology and nomenclature don't matter and neither do actual facts, right? People "commonly" say it, therefore it's perfectly acceptable. Right?

After all, it's commonly known that when "people" talk about someplace having "a crime problem" they mean "there are black males under 40 there."

Because "crime" is the new kleenex, amirite?

And what really galls me is that "Pedophile" is the new "Untermenschen Yid." Except that someone called "Jew" had to be at least part Jewish (considered ethnically) or have something to do with the practice of Judaism,  whereas all it takes to get someone literally shot as a "pedophile" is an unproven allegation of feeling up a 17 year old high school athlete.

"He's a white person who wears glasses! And carries a book! So he reads! That means he's a Jew! Beat the Jew! Kill the Jew!" Would it surprise you that when I was 11 I got beaten up by 3 or 4 black kids for walking past them carrying a library book because Jews are responsible for slavery?

"When we see a jewboy we fark him up!"
"But I'm not Jewish!" (And I wasn't and still ain't.)
"Stop lying, jewboy."

And they caught me more than once: they'd look for me and lie in wait. At least 3 of them. This one guy, had to be 14 at least (and past puberty, going by his facial hair), would go "I'm Bruce Lee!" and jump up to kick me on the head. It got to be I had to come home from an entirely different direction. Because I'm Jewish and caused slavery. That was wrong of them to do, right?

If it's wrong to beat up somebody because (you think) he's Jewish (and/or black, gay, Hispanic or some other category of people protected by anti-discrimination and "hate speech" laws), why is it perfectly okay to beat up somebody who somebody calls "a pedophile?" Even when he's not only not a pedophile by the actual definition but he really did have a speck of dust blown in his eye while at the junior varsity swim meet? Imagine a gay man with something in his eye getting beaten half to death for "winking" at a high school girl. Is that wrong and if so why?

Of course I'm talking to people who lack even room-temperate IQs, but then I'm weird.

One thing I can say is that this issue is a good "litmus test" for who I Ignore on Fark. If you can't even absorb the definition of "pedophilia" you can't have anything intelligent to say. Bye!
 
2013-05-31 04:31:10 PM  

The One True TheDavid: blah blah blah


Get over yourself, you gasbag.
 
2013-05-31 04:39:42 PM  
By the way, in point of fact I have not had anything that can be called "sexual relations" with a person under "legal age," whether post-pubescent or not, since before I myself reached "legal age" in 1981. Even then I hadn't "played doctor" with anyone who hadn't reached puberty since reaching puberty myself (and didn't have to think about it since there were always plenty of post-pubescent people to have sex with).

It's just that for some perhaps irrational reason this shiate really BUGS me, and I too am not above the "human foible" of scorning people for being stupid. There are plenty of other things stupid people do that I click Ignore over but, given the size of my Ignore file and that stupid people are often stupid in more than one way about more than one thing, they're probably already Ignored for some other perhaps irrational reason.

I'd like to thank Drew Curtis for giving me such an easy way to bolster my ego by not requiring IQ tests. Indeed, since the Internet got big it's become hard to suspect that I might not be a genius myself, given that stupidity is so widespread: on the one hand I, an 8th grade dropout, can find and understand JSTOR articles concerning the nosology, development and social construction of various kinds of "sexual deviation," and on the other it's even easier to find people -- including some with advanced degrees -- who can't.

That said, it's time for my first drink today.
 
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