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2013-05-30 06:40:59 AM  
This is something I've known since I was 17. Now Budweiser on the other hand...doesn't get any better than that.
 
2013-05-30 09:10:53 AM  
Miller does use tetra-hops to reduce (although not eliminate) skunking while retaining their traditional clear bottles. Tetra-hops also increase foam retention, although they don't have the aroma of regular hops. What's weird to me is how many big brewer European exports insist on using green bottles and sending mostly skunked beer abroad.
 
2013-05-30 09:11:13 AM  
I only drink beer that is so obscure that nobody has ever heard of it.
 
2013-05-30 09:26:34 AM  
There was a stigma against canned beer.  Canned beer was considered lower quality and higher quality beers would not can their brews.

But beer in cans age slower and last longer.  Less oxygen and light can get into a can and degrade the hops.  Now some of the best beers in the world are canned.

beeradvocate.com
 
2013-05-30 09:40:30 AM  

SlothB77: There was a stigma against canned beer.  Canned beer was considered lower quality and higher quality beers would not can their brews.

But beer in cans age slower and last longer.  Less oxygen and light can get into a can and degrade the hops.  Now some of the best beers in the world are canned.

[beeradvocate.com image 150x300]


In terms of packaging, there's really not much difference between a can and a keg.  Except one of them is easier to carry to the park in a cooler.
 
2013-05-30 09:57:13 AM  

DrPainMD: I only drink beer that is so obscure that nobody has ever heard of it.


That's so over. I'm into mainstreaming now. Just wait until you've quaffed down a Bud Light at a Chilis. It's some kinky shiat.
 
2013-05-30 10:05:21 AM  

Nina Haagen Dazs: This is something I've known since I was 17. Now Budweiser on the other hand...doesn't get any better than that.


Oh, you'll get some bites with that.

4/10
 
2013-05-30 10:09:55 AM  

MayoSlather: DrPainMD: I only drink beer that is so obscure that nobody has ever heard of it.

That's so over. I'm into mainstreaming now. Just wait until you've quaffed down a Bud Light at a Chilis. It's some kinky shiat.


Please, that is *so* last week. Bud Light Lime is the new cool beer, but only if you drink it ironically.
 
2013-05-30 10:25:32 AM  
Normally I drink craft beers, but Coors light is drinkable, tastes almost like water.  Bud light is unpleasant.  Miller lite is a crime against humanity.
 
2013-05-30 10:50:14 AM  
Miller Lite does not come in a clear bottle.

I think this is also why High Life bottles come in a case that's pretty much entirely covered so no light can get in.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
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2013-05-30 10:51:14 AM  
Of course, that only affects "beers" that use "hops", so Miller is completely unaffected by this.
 
2013-05-30 10:51:33 AM  
This is why I'm switching to Lone Star. In cans. At least, until a decent store-brand beer comes along.
 
2013-05-30 10:53:33 AM  
Miller Lite is about as good as Coors Light and Rolling Rock.  There, I said it.
 
2013-05-30 10:56:05 AM  
High Life is great beer. It's inexpensive, doesn't taste like crap, and doesn't have that hipster vibe to it.
 
2013-05-30 10:56:25 AM  

Lucubrationist: SlothB77: There was a stigma against canned beer.  Canned beer was considered lower quality and higher quality beers would not can their brews.

But beer in cans age slower and last longer.  Less oxygen and light can get into a can and degrade the hops.  Now some of the best beers in the world are canned.

[beeradvocate.com image 150x300]

In terms of packaging, there's really not much difference between a can and a keg.  Except one of them is easier to carry to the park in a cooler.


Surface area was a problem with canned beers in the past compared to kegs.  You have a lot more beer touching metal in a flat of cans over a half barrel keg.  However, the quality of can lining has improved to a level that is respectable.

Add in the lower cost of shipping cans over glass, and you get a pretty solid justification for smaller breweries doing cans now.  Granted, the start-up costs to canning is higher (I think), but not substantially so.

I'm also thinking these guys might take off soon.   shaving 9 pounds off the weight of a keg and eliminating deposits as a cost?  Sounds pretty epic.
 
2013-05-30 10:57:16 AM  
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2013-05-30 10:57:52 AM  
That is why I drink all my beer in the dark.
 
2013-05-30 11:00:06 AM  

kid_icarus: MayoSlather: DrPainMD: I only drink beer that is so obscure that nobody has ever heard of it.

That's so over. I'm into mainstreaming now. Just wait until you've quaffed down a Bud Light at a Chilis. It's some kinky shiat.

Please, that is *so* last week. Bud Light Lime is the new cool beer, but only if you drink it ironically.


The real question is..Can a hipster find a beer that is so obscure that even they won't drink it?
 
2013-05-30 11:00:21 AM  

WTF Indeed: High Life is great beer. It's inexpensive, doesn't taste like crap, and doesn't have that hipster vibe to it.


Yes it does. When's the last time you went into a hipster bar? Miller High Life is the new PBR.
 
2013-05-30 11:01:58 AM  
Beer snob thread!
 
2013-05-30 11:03:09 AM  

SlothB77: Now some of the best beers in the world are canned.


The recent boom in canning good beers is *fantastic* if you enjoy combining "drinking beer" and "being outside."  No longer do I have to choose between "crap, need this hand to trim the kite" and "crap, the kite's a wreck but I'm not dropping my bottle on the deck!", etc.

Just fantastic -- hope it's a trend that continues / grows for a long, long time.

Where wolf: Surface area was a problem with canned beers in the past compared to kegs.


Thanks for that explanation -- I didn't realize there was a recent improvement in canning technology that correlated with the expanded availability of good beer in cans.  Makes sense.  I take it "new fangled can with coating" is cheaper to produce than "stainless steel can," as most kegs are, I believe, too....

Of course, the other benefits you laid out are great, as well.

Wonder if we're far away from homebrewers being able to can (preferably using a rig with kegged-carbonated beer, if some inventor is watching!)?  'cuz that'd be tremendously useful.

Cheers to good beer in cans!
 
2013-05-30 11:03:59 AM  

Where wolf: Lucubrationist: SlothB77: There was a stigma against canned beer.  Canned beer was considered lower quality and higher quality beers would not can their brews.

But beer in cans age slower and last longer.  Less oxygen and light can get into a can and degrade the hops.  Now some of the best beers in the world are canned.

[beeradvocate.com image 150x300]

In terms of packaging, there's really not much difference between a can and a keg.  Except one of them is easier to carry to the park in a cooler.

Surface area was a problem with canned beers in the past compared to kegs.  You have a lot more beer touching metal in a flat of cans over a half barrel keg.  However, the quality of can lining has improved to a level that is respectable.

Add in the lower cost of shipping cans over glass, and you get a pretty solid justification for smaller breweries doing cans now.  Granted, the start-up costs to canning is higher (I think), but not substantially so.

I'm also thinking these guys might take off soon.   shaving 9 pounds off the weight of a keg and eliminating deposits as a cost?  Sounds pretty epic.


it also depends on the type of beer.  You can put a barleywine in a bottle and it will last for years without any degradation.  An IPA or DIPA you should drink within three months.
 
2013-05-30 11:05:20 AM  

js34603: That is why I drink all my beer in the dark.


Sure, keep telling yourself that's the reason.
 
2013-05-30 11:05:34 AM  

thenooch: Beer snob thread!


I might as well chime in...

thepoptopshop.com
 
2013-05-30 11:11:50 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: kid_icarus: MayoSlather: DrPainMD: I only drink beer that is so obscure that nobody has ever heard of it.

That's so over. I'm into mainstreaming now. Just wait until you've quaffed down a Bud Light at a Chilis. It's some kinky shiat.

Please, that is *so* last week. Bud Light Lime is the new cool beer, but only if you drink it ironically.

The real question is..Can a hipster find a beer that is so obscure that even they won't drink it?


Draft beer is greener, so shouldn't that be all they drink?
 
2013-05-30 11:11:51 AM  
strongly objects
hulkhatetimetravel.files.wordpress.com
/OK, time again for my Miller CSB.  Back roughly 25-30 years ago some of my shipmates and me were bumming around Yokohama.  We went to the Marine Tower (not as well-known as its brother in Tokyo but still a respectable 106-meter erection) near Yoko's Chinatown to see if we could get a nosh.  We didn't have the time or inclination to go to the top, but there was a nice bar at the base which featured an incredible variety of beers, both domestic and imported. The menu sported the usual Asahi, Kirin, Orion etc; a (then unlicensed) Ji Bīru, Lion, Tiger, Tsingtao, plus a lot of unfamiliarly named beers like "Snow", "Star", "Silver" etc. which seemed to allude to their clarity. One of these was called "Mirror" (sic).  Curious, I ordered it and soon received a Miller. I don't think my friends' laughter subsided for an hour.
 
2013-05-30 11:12:08 AM  
Being a dyed in the wool, unashamed Bud Light drinker (fark you if you don't like it!), and all around beer drinker as well, I USED to be of the opinion that, after a few, they all pretty much taste the same...that was until we ran out of Bud Light while on a camping trip and somebody brought Miller Lite...even being fairly drunk, that shiat was undrinkable!!  Horrid, HORRID beer-like substance that shiat is.
 
2013-05-30 11:12:43 AM  

SFSailor: The recent boom in canning good beers is *fantastic* if you enjoy combining "drinking beer" and "being outside."


Yeah, there is nothing worse than wanting to drink somewhere where only beer in cans is allowed or where you just don't want to worry about glass bottles breaking and glass everywhere - like the beach, or the softball league - and then going to the store and finding that all the dank shiat is in bottles and the only canned beer is swill.

Kudos to guys like Oskar Blues, DC Brau, Anderson Valley, Cigar City, 21st Amendment, Surly, etc
 
2013-05-30 11:18:41 AM  

SFSailor: Wonder if we're far away from homebrewers being able to can (preferably using a rig with kegged-carbonated beer, if some inventor is watching!)? 'cuz that'd be tremendously useful.


Not far away at all.
 
2013-05-30 11:19:39 AM  

MBooda: strongly objects
[hulkhatetimetravel.files.wordpress.com image 400x344]
/OK, time again for my Miller CSB.  Back roughly 25-30 years ago some of my shipmates and me were bumming around Yokohama.  We went to the Marine Tower (not as well-known as its brother in Tokyo but still a respectable 106-meter erection) near Yoko's Chinatown to see if we could get a nosh.  We didn't have the time or inclination to go to the top, but there was a nice bar at the base which featured an incredible variety of beers, both domestic and imported. The menu sported the usual Asahi, Kirin, Orion etc; a (then unlicensed) Ji Bīru, Lion, Tiger, Tsingtao, plus a lot of unfamiliarly named beers like "Snow", "Star", "Silver" etc. which seemed to allude to their clarity. One of these was called "Mirror" (sic).  Curious, I ordered it and soon received a Miller. I don't think my friends' laughter subsided for an hour.


Okay....I'll concede....that is a great story.  Thanks for sharing.
 
2013-05-30 11:23:22 AM  
And in a flash of GENIUS, the folks at Miller Lite have given us a new standard in drinkability.
Did they come up with a new recipe?
A new variety of hops?
Innovative brewing techniques?

Fark no, they changed the bottle.
Again.
Whooptie-goddamn-do.

cdn.ph.upi.com
 
2013-05-30 11:23:26 AM  

SFSailor: SlothB77: Now some of the best beers in the world are canned.

The recent boom in canning good beers is *fantastic* if you enjoy combining "drinking beer" and "being outside."  No longer do I have to choose between "crap, need this hand to trim the kite" and "crap, the kite's a wreck but I'm not dropping my bottle on the deck!", etc.

Just fantastic -- hope it's a trend that continues / grows for a long, long time.

Where wolf: Surface area was a problem with canned beers in the past compared to kegs.

Thanks for that explanation -- I didn't realize there was a recent improvement in canning technology that correlated with the expanded availability of good beer in cans.  Makes sense.  I take it "new fangled can with coating" is cheaper to produce than "stainless steel can," as most kegs are, I believe, too....

Of course, the other benefits you laid out are great, as well.

Wonder if we're far away from homebrewers being able to can (preferably using a rig with kegged-carbonated beer, if some inventor is watching!)?  'cuz that'd be tremendously useful.

Cheers to good beer in cans!


While steel was probably used before the days of pop-tops, cans and kegs are made of aluminium.  One of the cool things about Aluminium is that it oxidizes very quickly and forms a hard layer on the outside.  This layer basically protects the rest of the metal from corrosion.  It's relatively insoluble, but it does leak out.  Thus the tales of "canned beer tastes bad" and "drinking canned soda plants aluminium in your brain and causes Alzheimer's."  Both have varying degrees of truthiness.

Now the cans can (get it?!) be lined with something that is less permeable than the aluminium oxide and the beer is alone at last.  Quite, calm, and alone.  It's a happy place.

However, I doubt we'll ever see canning in home brewing.  The best cans still aren't reusable, which is the big reason for bottling.  Hell, I've given up on bottling even.  Now, I keg and I might bottle off the tap, but only into 16 oz flip-tops or (even better) growlers.  It's a good life.

SlothB77: Where wolf: Lucubrationist: SlothB77: There was a stigma against canned beer.  Canned beer was considered lower quality and higher quality beers would not can their brews.

But beer in cans age slower and last longer.  Less oxygen and light can get into a can and degrade the hops.  Now some of the best beers in the world are canned.

[beeradvocate.com image 150x300]

In terms of packaging, there's really not much difference between a can and a keg.  Except one of them is easier to carry to the park in a cooler.

Surface area was a problem with canned beers in the past compared to kegs.  You have a lot more beer touching metal in a flat of cans over a half barrel keg.  However, the quality of can lining has improved to a level that is respectable.

Add in the lower cost of shipping cans over glass, and you get a pretty solid justification for smaller breweries doing cans now.  Granted, the start-up costs to canning is higher (I think), but not substantially so.

I'm also thinking these guys might take off soon.   shaving 9 pounds off the weight of a keg and eliminating deposits as a cost?  Sounds pretty epic.

it also depends on the type of beer.  You can put a barleywine in a bottle and it will last for years without any degradation.  An IPA or DIPA you should drink within three months.


Also, this.  Which isn't all bad.  It just means I need to finish beer faster.  I have about 3 gallons of Rye Pale Ale on tap (that I burned "a bit", but is still drinkable) and a different Rye that I dry-hopped Sunday.  I'm debating about giving it another week or kegging it this weekend.  I also have an English bitter that I need to keg for my wife when she finishes her med school boards on the 7th.

/4-tap Keezer that I can never seem to fill.
 
2013-05-30 11:24:03 AM  
So obscure, it's defunct.

www.antiquemystique.com
 
2013-05-30 11:24:04 AM  
I've had a bottle of home brew beer in a Groh's bottle in the garage fridg for years.  You could see the sediment in the bottom, I knew the beer was bad and I should have thrown it out, except I didn't want to toss out the Groh's ceramic cork top bottle.

Along comes my 18 year old.  He decided he was going to drink the beer one night, so he snuck into the garage, reached into the very back of the refrigerator where this beer had lived for years and he popped the top of the bottle and he released the skunk of all beers all over himself and the garage.  The next day I made him clean it up.
 
2013-05-30 11:26:19 AM  
I only drink beer made from quadrotriticale.
 
2013-05-30 11:26:45 AM  

mbillips: Yes it does. When's the last time you went into a hipster bar? Miller High Life is the new PBR.


You're asking someone who just inferred a hatred of the hipster culture when was the last time he knowingly choose to go to a hipster bar?
 
2013-05-30 11:33:12 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: kid_icarus: MayoSlather: DrPainMD: I only drink beer that is so obscure that nobody has ever heard of it.

That's so over. I'm into mainstreaming now. Just wait until you've quaffed down a Bud Light at a Chilis. It's some kinky shiat.

Please, that is *so* last week. Bud Light Lime is the new cool beer, but only if you drink it ironically.

The real question is..Can a hipster find a beer that is so obscure that even they won't drink it?


My usual response to a barkeep's "what'll ya have?" is: cheap beer.

Not alot of hipsters around here (or they're epically hip) so I usually get the High Life or PBR.

/try it, sometimes they suprise you
 
2013-05-30 11:40:26 AM  
In my youth, if my buddies and I splurged on beer it was Heineken.

In reflection, we thought that skunkiness was what a premium beer was supposed to taste like.  I've never had a green bottled Heineken that was not skunky.
 
2013-05-30 11:43:08 AM  

mdeesnuts: Mr. Shabooboo: kid_icarus: MayoSlather: DrPainMD: I only drink beer that is so obscure that nobody has ever heard of it.

That's so over. I'm into mainstreaming now. Just wait until you've quaffed down a Bud Light at a Chilis. It's some kinky shiat.

Please, that is *so* last week. Bud Light Lime is the new cool beer, but only if you drink it ironically.

The real question is..Can a hipster find a beer that is so obscure that even they won't drink it?

My usual response to a barkeep's "what'll ya have?" is: cheap beer.

Not alot of hipsters around here (or they're epically hip) so I usually get the High Life or PBR.

/try it, sometimes they suprise you


I'm in agreement with this.
When it is really really hot here in the summer, I prefer a cheap lager.  High Life or Coors Banquet are my brew of choice after working in the yard.  It just goes down better than my standard IPA.
 
2013-05-30 11:46:41 AM  

tuna fingers: In my youth, if my buddies and I splurged on beer it was Heineken.

In reflection, we thought that skunkiness was what a premium beer was supposed to taste like.  I've never had a green bottled Heineken that was not skunky.


Same goes for Moosehead and other Canadian lagers. We just called it skunk beer when I was in college.
 
2013-05-30 11:53:25 AM  
Some one splain this to me,  because I'm skeptical.

Miller Beer goes from the bottling line to the packaging line in just a few minutes.It's packaged in a cardboard box.It's pretty dark inside the box.The beer is shipped in the box, and remains in the box until it is placed on the store shelf.If it is a Miller 12 pack it remains in the cardboard box even in my refrigerator.So even though it's in a clear bottle, it's in the dark most of its life.So how does beer become lightstruck?
 
2013-05-30 11:54:18 AM  
tuna fingers:
When it is really really hot here in the summer, I prefer a cheap lager.  High Life or Coors Banquet are my brew of choice after working in the yard.  It just goes down better than my standard IPA.

What beers meant for yardwork look like......


texasbrews.org

beersandears.net
 
2013-05-30 11:54:49 AM  
Bullshiat.

Miller sells so much and turns their stock around so quickly, I've never had a bad one in 30 years.

In fact, improper handling of micros, especially the artsy-fartsy underfunded ones who forego decent pasteurization, has given me crappy beer more often than not.

/Buy local, which for me includes Miller and Leinenkugel's.
//Sprecher ain't bad, either, but they use brown 16 ozers.
 
2013-05-30 12:08:39 PM  
I don't get why the 16oz High Life sixer is cheaper than the 12oz sixer?

/loves his vintage High Life barn jacket
//loves the High Life
 
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2013-05-30 12:15:13 PM  

chevydeuce: Being a dyed in the wool, unashamed Bud Light drinker (fark you if you don't like it!), and all around beer drinker as well, I USED to be of the opinion that, after a few, they all pretty much taste the same...that was until we ran out of Bud Light while on a camping trip and somebody brought Miller Lite...even being fairly drunk, that shiat was undrinkable!!  Horrid, HORRID beer-like substance that shiat is.


That, ladies and gentlemen, is how one trolls.
 
2013-05-30 12:19:42 PM  

tuna fingers: mdeesnuts: Mr. Shabooboo: kid_icarus: MayoSlather: DrPainMD: I only drink beer that is so obscure that nobody has ever heard of it.

That's so over. I'm into mainstreaming now. Just wait until you've quaffed down a Bud Light at a Chilis. It's some kinky shiat.

Please, that is *so* last week. Bud Light Lime is the new cool beer, but only if you drink it ironically.

The real question is..Can a hipster find a beer that is so obscure that even they won't drink it?

My usual response to a barkeep's "what'll ya have?" is: cheap beer.

Not alot of hipsters around here (or they're epically hip) so I usually get the High Life or PBR.

/try it, sometimes they suprise you

I'm in agreement with this.
When it is really really hot here in the summer, I prefer a cheap lager.  High Life or Coors Banquet are my brew of choice after working in the yard.  It just goes down better than my standard IPA.


Agreed. Hot as hell in VA now, enjoyed a high life last evening with some grilled shrimp. A stout wouldnt have gone down as well, and I'm not a fan of the overhopped IPA trend.

/sometimes a cheap lager just hits the spot
//and natty boh is the new peeber, not the high life
 
2013-05-30 12:27:59 PM  
Piss gets skunky? How do you know?
 
2013-05-30 12:30:16 PM  

SlothB77: There was a stigma against canned beer.  Canned beer was considered lower quality and higher quality beers would not can their brews.

But beer in cans age slower and last longer.  Less oxygen and light can get into a can and degrade the hops.  Now some of the best beers in the world are canned.

[beeradvocate.com image 150x300]



That may be, but somehow I found canned Rolling Rock to be noticeably inferior to bottled Rolling Rock -not skunkier, just not as good.

Also RE TFA, Newcastle Brown Ale comes in clear bottles and I've never experienced skunkiness in them.
 
2013-05-30 12:44:07 PM  
Funny thing about this is, while someone already mentioned that High Life uses hop extract to reduce skunking, Corona does not.  Corona has been moving through the sale of their brand recently, and I imagine the new company will convert it to hop extract ASAP in order to "increase quality while decreasing costs."

If they do, I imagine customers won't like it one bit.  They're used to their Corona being skunky, and the skunk with lime provides a signature flavor.

According to urban legend a similar thing happened when Rolling Rock was purchased by A-B.  The beer had a serious DMS flavor - think creamed corn - which is considered a flaw by most brewers.  The first thing the A-B folks did was remove the DMS.  Customers were up in arms because they liked that flavor - it was the core character of the beer - and A-B ruined it.  Apparently, the change was quickly reverted.
 
2013-05-30 12:52:00 PM  
mbillips

wtf indeed
High Life is great beer. It's inexpensive, doesn't taste like crap, and doesn't have that hipster vibe to it.


Yes it does. When's the last time you went into a hipster bar? Miller High Life is the new PBR.


I really could care less who is into Miller High Life.  It's cheap and tastes decent for what it is.

Champagne of beers FTW!!!!!
 
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