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2013-05-30 06:21:13 AM  
The School Board should apologize for funding a committee to come up with the suggestion that  "The committee that made the recommendation -- which included principals -- said the competition to be number one in the class is sometimes not healthy, and other top performing students should be recognized."

Lets just give everybody "A"s in every class.
 
2013-05-30 09:10:20 AM  
Oh man. That would have deprived me of one of my most cherished high school memories.

The competition between the valedictorian and the salutatorian lasted all four years. Two girls were always within some fraction of a point of each other GPA-wise the entire time. (One would have a 3.99 and the other would have a 3.99 kinda deal). They were both horrific b*tches, but one was friends with some of my friends, so I got to experience it first hand, so I disliked her a little bit more.

Anyway, about a month before graduation, they announced who would be receiving the honors.Turns out they were statistically tied, so the school used after school activities as a tie breaker.  The girl who was my friend's friend got the salutatorian, and she flipped right the f*ck out. Like, started bawling in class, got nauseous, outraged that she lost.

Because of the tie, they used after school activities to break it. The valedictorian was on the school board, in a couple of random clubs, and played sports. Other girl did jack sh*t and couldn't figure out why she didn't win valedictorian which made her even more upset.

Good times.
 
2013-05-30 09:14:14 AM  
Remember kids, everyone's a winner and there are no losers...until you get into the  real world.
 
2013-05-30 09:22:04 AM  
School board says they didn't mean to do it, but no one paid attention to what they were voting on

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...our future Congresscritters!!
 
2013-05-30 09:45:22 AM  
Yes, because you will never have to compete in the working world.
 
2013-05-30 09:46:45 AM  

xanadian: School board says they didn't mean to do it, but no one paid attention to what they were voting on

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...our future Congresscritters!!


Related to Mitch McConnell no doubt
 
2013-05-30 09:47:04 AM  
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Congratulations America! Let's continue to demonize intelligent people because they make others feel inferior. Where's the high school guidance counselor to tell the C student they shouldn't be trying to get into a biochemical engineering program and there's more of a future picking up plumbing (seriously, trades are better for a lot of snowflakes)

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2013-05-30 09:47:08 AM  
My FL high school supposedly moved away from the val/sal system the year after I graduated. They chose to institute the magna cum laude, cum laude, etc. system.

Their rationale: it created too much anxiety on the little snowflakes.
 
2013-05-30 09:47:08 AM  
i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-30 09:47:16 AM  
Competition isn't healthy?  Wow, what budding little monopolists we're raising
 
2013-05-30 09:47:30 AM  
Academic acheivement shouldn't be talked about.
 
2013-05-30 09:48:55 AM  

bhcompy: Competition isn't healthy?  Wow, what budding little monopolists we're raising


If you work harder and show you can do more, people will just expect more out of you, so then you'll have to keep working harder. They're just teaching kids to roll over and do the minimum to not get yelled at. That's the 'murican way.
 
2013-05-30 09:50:01 AM  
why do we have all these board members and administrators for schools?
 
2013-05-30 09:51:08 AM  

Aarontology: Good times.


Ha. When my "class" was graduating I'd already been in college. Who cares about being top of the dog pile in a farking high school, get out as early as you can and get on with your life.

fark, you can get a GED with an 8th grader and about a month of study. Skip high school and hit either the real world or college.

Our educational system isn't just failing people, it's holding them back.
 
2013-05-30 09:51:21 AM  
Just have ABBA show up at graduation.
 
2013-05-30 09:53:39 AM  
During the recent high school graduation of one of my nephews my 13 year old niece asked me during the ceremony, "So are they going in order of smartest to dumbest?"  And I said, "Well, not exactly.... but now that you mention it... yeah they kind of are."
 
2013-05-30 09:54:11 AM  

mr_a: The School Board should apologize for funding a committee to come up with the suggestion that  "The committee that made the recommendation -- which included principals -- said the competition to be number one in the class is sometimes not healthy, and other top performing students should be recognized."

Lets just give everybody "A"s in every class.


Reading a bit farther, the recommendation was to "recognizing the top 10 percent of honor students through the cum laude and summa cum laude distinctions, like colleges do. "

Honestly I think it makes sense as kids from small schools that have a class of 10 or 20 have a high chance of getting valedictorian where kids from large schools with a class of 100 or even 1000 have almost no chance of it.
 
2013-05-30 09:56:09 AM  
I bet they still have state football championships though.
 
2013-05-30 09:56:16 AM  
Wait--if they think that competition between students is unhealthy, then shouldn't they be shutting down all of their student athletic teams? Or if they don't do that, then remove all scoring systems at student athletic competitions so that wins and loses can't be tracked? Just askin'.
 
2013-05-30 09:56:26 AM  
I think rewarding the top X percent would actually encourage kids to, well, LEARN, and not just see how many AP classes they can cram into their schedule so they can get those delicous, delicous extra GPA points.
 
2013-05-30 09:57:16 AM  

MindStalker: mr_a: The School Board should apologize for funding a committee to come up with the suggestion that  "The committee that made the recommendation -- which included principals -- said the competition to be number one in the class is sometimes not healthy, and other top performing students should be recognized."

Lets just give everybody "A"s in every class.

Reading a bit farther, the recommendation was to "recognizing the top 10 percent of honor students through the cum laude and summa cum laude distinctions, like colleges do. "

Honestly I think it makes sense as kids from small schools that have a class of 10 or 20 have a high chance of getting valedictorian where kids from large schools with a class of 100 or even 1000 have almost no chance of it.


Yeah, let's ensure that child who worked hard to stand out among 1000 other children doesn't get recognized for it because it may have been easier for someone else somewhere else. It doesn't matter where or how, we need to recognize excellence and achievement in this country as something to strive for and hold up, not to marginalize and hide.
 
2013-05-30 09:57:17 AM  
I support the one that has the cum loads.
 
2013-05-30 09:57:44 AM  

MichiganFTL: [cdn.bernardgoldberg.com image 300x271]

Congratulations America! Let's continue to demonize intelligent people because they make others feel inferior. Where's the high school guidance counselor to tell the C student they shouldn't be trying to get into a biochemical engineering program and there's more of a future picking up plumbing (seriously, trades are better for a lot of snowflakes)

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Sadly a lot of teachers do grade really freaken oddly. First semester this year my kids online grading system showed she had an A, when final grades came in she had a C. I was all, WTF, teacher. Teacher replied, "oh, well everyone's grades were really bad at the beginning of the semester so I didn't put them online, but they were included in the average."  GRR, she could have attempted to correct some of it if we freaken knew..
 
2013-05-30 09:58:11 AM  
You know who dislikes and actively works against competition? LOSERS.

I don't win everything and I am not the best but I understand that the pressure makes you better on the other side.

Likely this is some lady who never got it together to do anything with her life and is watching her child grow up to be a loser too.
 
2013-05-30 09:58:16 AM  
Yeah yeah yeah everyone's a winner boo hoo but come on who gives a shiat about high school awards? If you do, congrats, you're the nerd version of Al Bundy.
 
2013-05-30 09:58:33 AM  

Aarontology: Oh man. That would have deprived me of one of my most cherished high school memories.

The competition between the valedictorian and the salutatorian lasted all four years. Two girls were always within some fraction of a point of each other GPA-wise the entire time. (One would have a 3.99 and the other would have a 3.99 kinda deal). They were both horrific b*tches, but one was friends with some of my friends, so I got to experience it first hand, so I disliked her a little bit more.

Anyway, about a month before graduation, they announced who would be receiving the honors.Turns out they were statistically tied, so the school used after school activities as a tie breaker.  The girl who was my friend's friend got the salutatorian, and she flipped right the f*ck out. Like, started bawling in class, got nauseous, outraged that she lost.

Because of the tie, they used after school activities to break it. The valedictorian was on the school board, in a couple of random clubs, and played sports. Other girl did jack sh*t and couldn't figure out why she didn't win valedictorian which made her even more upset.

Good times.


How much do they weigh now, and have they figured out how to cheat the system to get more food stamps yet?

/high school is meaningless
 
2013-05-30 09:59:12 AM  
I dont usually watch the videos on these things.. just read the article.

BUT HOLY HELL YES!!!  MORE VIDEOS OF HIGH SCHOOL TEENS PLEASE!!!
 
2013-05-30 10:00:11 AM  
Your Special,
Not for What You Do;
Your Special
Just for Being You.
 
2013-05-30 10:00:33 AM  

aevorea: My FL high school supposedly moved away from the val/sal system the year after I graduated. They chose to institute the magna cum laude, cum laude, etc. system.

Their rationale: it created too much anxiety on the little snowflakes.


But isn't that basically the same thing? Just fancier words, and while there might not be one of you, it doesn't remove the competition.
 
2013-05-30 10:01:29 AM  
Mediocrity + narcissism + being told that you're "special" = "Competition is bad!" AND a "career" as a "blogger"
 
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2013-05-30 10:01:42 AM  
ah, the ol' nancy Pelosi gambit.
 
2013-05-30 10:01:47 AM  

Felgraf: I think rewarding the top X percent would actually encourage kids to, well, LEARN, and not just see how many AP classes they can cram into their schedule so they can get those delicous, delicous extra GPA points.


hey hey, we has assterisks by our names in the graduation program denoting "Top 25%" of the class.


hell yeah I had one.

/24%
//BOOM!
 
2013-05-30 10:02:17 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Remember kids, everyone's a winner and there are no losers...until you get into the  real world.


Exept that in the real world nobody gives a fark how well you did in school.

Valedictorian is something assholes say about themselves so they can feel better about pouring their body and mind into a soul crushing hoop jumping institution. Their reward was a shiaty little title that makes you look like a fool when you use it after you turn 20.

Valedictorian speeches fall into 3 categories:
1:Socially awkward kids trying their damndest not to let their stage fright shut them down completely
2: Socially awkward kids who think its their turn to snark at the people who made their life miserable
3: Socially adept kids who spout inspiring and completely generic blather because nobody give a fark because its highschool.

Doing well in school is its own reward. In the real world keeners and title users are looked upon as the pains in the ass they actually are.

Nobody gives a fark what you did in school -- sit down and get back to farking work pleb.
 
2013-05-30 10:04:53 AM  

mikefinch: Exept that in the real world nobody gives a fark how well you did in school.


That was exactly my point.
 
2013-05-30 10:07:32 AM  
I just hate the valedictorian/salutitorian thing because it let's the raging assholes be raging assholes.

In my class, we had a couple of people who would transfer schools every semester to take the maximum amount of honors, AP, IB, and so on courses for the extra credit. I think my valedictorian had a 7.98 GPA, and the salutitorian was at 6. They were miserable, joyless, awful people and they were incredibly vocal and smug about "winning" high school when they walked out with 0 friends and 0 experiences and, from my experiences talking to these people, 0 knowledge because they were 'gaming the system' more than 'learning'.

//I was in the top 5% of the class.
///Not jealous or envious, more sad that they gave the fun part of their childhood up to looking good on paper.
 
2013-05-30 10:07:39 AM  

Aarontology: Oh man. That would have deprived me of one of my most cherished high school memories.

The competition between the valedictorian and the salutatorian lasted all four years. Two girls were always within some fraction of a point of each other GPA-wise the entire time. (One would have a 3.99 and the other would have a 3.99 kinda deal). They were both horrific b*tches, but one was friends with some of my friends, so I got to experience it first hand, so I disliked her a little bit more.

Anyway, about a month before graduation, they announced who would be receiving the honors.Turns out they were statistically tied, so the school used after school activities as a tie breaker.  The girl who was my friend's friend got the salutatorian, and she flipped right the f*ck out. Like, started bawling in class, got nauseous, outraged that she lost.

Because of the tie, they used after school activities to break it. The valedictorian was on the school board, in a couple of random clubs, and played sports. Other girl did jack sh*t and couldn't figure out why she didn't win valedictorian which made her even more upset.

Good times.


My best friend was our valedictorian, the girl he beat out was the asst. principal's daughter.  They fought with perfect 4.0's all four years, they did all extra credit, both were involved in all non-athletic clubs and they both took summer school to make sure they took all academic classes available.  I have no idea how they decided he won.

/If he didn't push so hard, I am sure she would've took it easier
//I am not sure if I like the new 4.0+ GPA's, but I am sure he would've aimed for 5.0
///He saturated his life with school, D&D and political jokes
 
2013-05-30 10:10:28 AM  

MindStalker: mr_a: The School Board should apologize for funding a committee to come up with the suggestion that  "The committee that made the recommendation -- which included principals -- said the competition to be number one in the class is sometimes not healthy, and other top performing students should be recognized."

Lets just give everybody "A"s in every class.

Reading a bit farther, the recommendation was to "recognizing the top 10 percent of honor students through the cum laude and summa cum laude distinctions, like colleges do. "

Honestly I think it makes sense as kids from small schools that have a class of 10 or 20 have a high chance of getting valedictorian where kids from large schools with a class of 100 or even 1000 have almost no chance of it.


Pedagogy is one of those topics that everyone is an expert in, and the way each one of them were taught is the absolute best way. I'm no expert for sure, but competing for a numerical grade does not translate to the real world.  It seems the students will game the system for that goal instead of actually learning and challenging themselves.

Top 10% rankings sounds fair, not "Everyone Win's!"
 
2013-05-30 10:11:47 AM  

legion_of_doo: why do we have all these board members and administrators for schools?


School boards are supposed to be the balance for the administration - lay people chosen from the community to oversee the schools so that the administration doesn't just do whatever they want. It doesn't always work out that way, though.

Why so many administrators? The burnt out classroom teachers have to go somewhere until they can retire.
 
2013-05-30 10:12:26 AM  
That "Win's" was deliberate, BTW
//I know it's "Wins"
 
2013-05-30 10:12:41 AM  
Participation ribbons are lies! Your kids suck and you should let them know that
 
2013-05-30 10:13:54 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: mikefinch: Exept that in the real world nobody gives a fark how well you did in school.

That was exactly my point.


Good luck to you and yours...
With your D grades.  Colleges and Business will be clamoring to get to you.
 
2013-05-30 10:14:00 AM  
You can add "graduation ceremonies" for grade school into this nonsense. Because, as I was told, graduating from grade school is the highest honor that some kids will ever achieve, and we should recognize that.

/no, we shouldn't
 
2013-05-30 10:14:42 AM  

Aarontology: Oh man. That would have deprived me of one of my most cherished high school memories.

The competition between the valedictorian and the salutatorian lasted all four years. Two girls were always within some fraction of a point of each other GPA-wise the entire time. (One would have a 3.99 and the other would have a 3.99 kinda deal). They were both horrific b*tches, but one was friends with some of my friends, so I got to experience it first hand, so I disliked her a little bit more.

Anyway, about a month before graduation, they announced who would be receiving the honors.Turns out they were statistically tied, so the school used after school activities as a tie breaker.  The girl who was my friend's friend got the salutatorian, and she flipped right the f*ck out. Like, started bawling in class, got nauseous, outraged that she lost.

Because of the tie, they used after school activities to break it. The valedictorian was on the school board, in a couple of random clubs, and played sports. Other girl did jack sh*t and couldn't figure out why she didn't win valedictorian which made her even more upset.

Good times.


Our class had co-valedictorians (first time for our school) because of a statistical dead heat, so I'm getting a kick....
 
2013-05-30 10:16:14 AM  
I finished right in the middle of my class I should have gotten the Joe Bower award or something damnit!
 
2013-05-30 10:16:59 AM  

lack of warmth


My best friend was our valedictorian, the girl he beat out was the asst. principal's daughter. They fought with perfect 4.0's all four years, they did all extra credit, both were involved in all non-athletic clubs and they both took summer school to make sure they took all academic classes available. I have no idea how they decided he won.


I imagine there would have been significant backlash and cries of nepotism if the award had gone to the assistant principal's daughter, especially after what sounds like a fairly arbitrary decision.
 
2013-05-30 10:17:32 AM  

Jaws75: Wait--if they think that competition between students is unhealthy, then shouldn't they be shutting down all of their student athletic teams? Or if they don't do that, then remove all scoring systems at student athletic competitions so that wins and loses can't be tracked? Just askin'.


Competition between students is fine -- but look at the system they are competing in. Being the best at jumping through a grading rubric isn't exactly competition. I might think it was healthy if 1) the honour meant anything and 2) the school system treated learning like a lifelong goal rather than a mark on a paper after finishing tests.

Whats the harm in just giving them honours? Its not like that kid who would have been valedictorian is going to go 'WELL THIS IS AAAAAAALLLLLLLL FOR NOTHING HUH?' and go start toking with the skater kids (skater kids? is that still a thing?)
 
2013-05-30 10:19:04 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: lack of warmth

My best friend was our valedictorian, the girl he beat out was the asst. principal's daughter. They fought with perfect 4.0's all four years, they did all extra credit, both were involved in all non-athletic clubs and they both took summer school to make sure they took all academic classes available. I have no idea how they decided he won.


I imagine there would have been significant backlash and cries of nepotism if the award had gone to the assistant principal's daughter, especially after what sounds like a fairly arbitrary decision.


Maybe now, but not back in 1995.
 
2013-05-30 10:21:15 AM  
It's not about 'so everybody can feel good'. At least not in the research. That's pretty much a strawman and/or misunderstanding and/or poorly expressed.

The problem with competing for grades (and grades in general) is that many kids who are close enough to compete can wind up fixating on the grades rather than... you know... learning. Kids who are too far to compete can often wind up giving up outright rather than concentrating on learning. When you can find an opportunity or circumstance to get away from ranking students and just letting them learn, they do relax and seem to be more willing to try stuff. I've seen some groups (in situations where they're not under pressure to grade-whore) become extremely supportive of each other, where they would refuse to let _anyone_ get left behind.
 
2013-05-30 10:27:41 AM  
There's no greater pleasure in life than watching a small town high school valedictorian have an absolute breakdown in college due to the realization that he or she is no longer the "best" (not by a long shot).
 
2013-05-30 10:30:01 AM  

netcentric: Good luck to you and yours...
With your D grades. Colleges and Business will be clamoring to get to you.


Sarcasm meter is broken eh?

We're turning out children who have no idea what it's like to win...or to lose and when they get out into the world they are going to be in for a huge shock. And it's your (as parents) fault.
 
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