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2013-05-30 04:31:09 AM  
Between this and the teen sex & snuff book that is 'Avengers Arena', is it any wonder why I think comics from the Big 2 these days are utter shiat?

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-30 09:57:55 AM  
Haven't they also completely farked up Starfire or something?

/Not a comic book reader
//But it's like the knowledge just seeps in from the internet via osmosis or something.
///Osmosis and TV tropes.
 
2013-05-30 09:58:05 AM  
So not only are Batman's parents dead, so are his son and his love interests.
 
2013-05-30 09:59:59 AM  
BOOM! Headshot!

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2013-05-30 10:00:34 AM  

texdent: So not only are Batman's parents dead, so are his son and his love interests.


And how many Robins? 2? 3?
 
2013-05-30 10:00:44 AM  
They fridged her.  Isn't that Edgy and Mature?

This shiat is why Alan Moore buried himself in his beard and won't return DC's farking calls again, ever.
 
2013-05-30 10:01:24 AM  
Well, at least they didn't get Doctor Light to come in and rape the head wound.

...yet.
 
2013-05-30 10:02:00 AM  

WippitGuud: texdent: So not only are Batman's parents dead, so are his son and his love interests.

And how many Robins? 2? 3?


Jason Todd died, but he came back. Damien is the only currently dead Robin.
 
2013-05-30 10:02:28 AM  
On the other hand, they've released preview information on at least three more issues of her own book. So just maybe she's not dead, ya think?
 
2013-05-30 10:03:21 AM  

The Martian Manhandler: On the other hand, they've released preview information on at least three more issues of her own book. So just maybe she's not dead, ya think?


The next three issues are just her corpse slowly decomposing.

It's very dadaesque.
 
2013-05-30 10:04:13 AM  

The Martian Manhandler: On the other hand, they've released preview information on at least three more issues of her own book. So just maybe she's not dead, ya think?


It's a false flag!
 
2013-05-30 10:04:39 AM  

The Martian Manhandler: On the other hand, they've released preview information on at least three more issues of her own book. So just maybe she's not dead, ya think?


Ah, so cheap stunt gimmick to cause internet furor and a tiny one month sales bump.

If Johns were full of any more lame gimmicks, he'd have to change his name to Merry.
 
2013-05-30 10:08:26 AM  

texdent: Damien is the only currently dead Robin.


That accurate and ridiculous phrasing is one of the biggest problems in modern comics.
 
2013-05-30 10:10:48 AM  

Felgraf: The Martian Manhandler: On the other hand, they've released preview information on at least three more issues of her own book. So just maybe she's not dead, ya think?

The next three issues are just her corpse slowly decomposing.

It's very dadaesque.


It nonetheless seems a more compelling presentation than One More Day
 
2013-05-30 10:11:35 AM  

Hebalo: texdent: Damien is the only currently dead Robin.

That accurate and ridiculous phrasing is one of the biggest problems in modern comics.


You know, when I think of it, City of Heroes didn't really pull much "BACK FROM THE DEEEEAAAAADDDD" stuff, save perhaps in one comic. Even super-magical-mystical people, like Warwitch-I don't think she ever really got her physical form back.

Then again, I admit I dropped off after the first few storylines...

... Damnit I farking miss that game. =(
 
2013-05-30 10:11:46 AM  
Hey, someone needs to stock the refrigerator.
 
2013-05-30 10:13:06 AM  

Hebalo: texdent: Damien is the only currently dead Robin.

That accurate and ridiculous phrasing is one of the biggest problems in modern comics.


Modern comics?

I'm pretty sure that Death's revolving door isn't some new perversion in the comic book industry.
 
2013-05-30 10:14:32 AM  

Dimensio: Felgraf: The Martian Manhandler: On the other hand, they've released preview information on at least three more issues of her own book. So just maybe she's not dead, ya think?

The next three issues are just her corpse slowly decomposing.

It's very dadaesque.

It nonetheless seems a more compelling presentation than One More Day


If you want to do a live action reenactment of One More Day, gather together a group of large, stereotypical Brooklyn Italian men, have them shiat all over the place, then wallow in their feces while flinging it at the audience.
 
2013-05-30 10:16:17 AM  

texdent: So not only are Batman's parents dead, so are his son and his love interests.


Death of the Family is what finally made me give up on the New 52. I kept trying to give it a chance, but they didn't handle that story well at all. Batman's entire motivation is the trauma of losing his parents but when his own farking son gets offed he barely reacts. Granted, I didn't bother to finish the arc so maybe he had some sort of breakdown later, but from the issues I read losing his son didn't seem to bother him one iota.
 
2013-05-30 10:18:05 AM  
I have been moving away from DC and Marvel and have been exploring the offerings of other companies.   Comixology makes this really easy to do.

Right now I am currently reading Locke & Key and Five Fists of Science.  Both great comics with great stories.
 
2013-05-30 10:18:12 AM  
And that's why I stopped reading comics.
 
2013-05-30 10:18:13 AM  

Felgraf: Hebalo: texdent: Damien is the only currently dead Robin.

That accurate and ridiculous phrasing is one of the biggest problems in modern comics.

You know, when I think of it, City of Heroes didn't really pull much "BACK FROM THE DEEEEAAAAADDDD" stuff, save perhaps in one comic. Even super-magical-mystical people, like Warwitch-I don't think she ever really got her physical form back.

Then again, I admit I dropped off after the first few storylines...

... Damnit I farking miss that game. =(


A physical Warwitch was introduced in a later expansion, though hints suggested that she was from a parallel universe, and the astral-only Warwitch remained in Croatoa.

Additionally, your referencing of City of Heroes has caused me to again experience the human emotion known as "sadness".
 
2013-05-30 10:18:50 AM  

Esroc: texdent: So not only are Batman's parents dead, so are his son and his love interests.

Death of the Family is what finally made me give up on the New 52. I kept trying to give it a chance, but they didn't handle that story well at all. Batman's entire motivation is the trauma of losing his parents but when his own farking son gets offed he barely reacts. Granted, I didn't bother to finish the arc so maybe he had some sort of breakdown later, but from the issues I read losing his son didn't seem to bother him one iota.


I've only seen a few scans online, but he's doing anything and everything to try to bring back his son. Including talking to Frankstein's monster.
 
2013-05-30 10:18:59 AM  

Dimensio: Felgraf: Hebalo: texdent: Damien is the only currently dead Robin.

That accurate and ridiculous phrasing is one of the biggest problems in modern comics.

You know, when I think of it, City of Heroes didn't really pull much "BACK FROM THE DEEEEAAAAADDDD" stuff, save perhaps in one comic. Even super-magical-mystical people, like Warwitch-I don't think she ever really got her physical form back.

Then again, I admit I dropped off after the first few storylines...

... Damnit I farking miss that game. =(

A physical Warwitch was introduced in a later expansion, though hints suggested that she was from a parallel universe, and the astral-only Warwitch remained in Croatoa.

Additionally, your referencing of City of Heroes has caused me to again experience the human emotion known as "sadness".


*pours one out for Papa Ghede, The Devolutionary, and Reality Man*
 
2013-05-30 10:19:42 AM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Hebalo: texdent: Damien is the only currently dead Robin.

That accurate and ridiculous phrasing is one of the biggest problems in modern comics.

Modern comics?

I'm pretty sure that Death's revolving door isn't some new perversion in the comic book industry.


Hell, even Death died, and then came back.


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2013-05-30 10:21:05 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Between this and the teen sex & snuff book that is 'Avengers Arena', is it any wonder why I think comics from the Big 2 these days are utter shiat?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x264]


Then you're not paying attention to Marvel.
**disclaimer before rant: I used to read NOTHING but DC before the "New 52". I
Working in our comic shop, I can tell you, if someone said marvel would be on top 4 years ago, I'd have laughed in your face, but our subscription service doesn't lie. We fill a box of Marvel subscribers and are now able to put DC AND Independent comic publishers in the same box. That equals to about HALF of what we used to sell of DC.
DC is being run by the same FOX Execs that cancel tv shows after the pilot and move on, only those execs don't even watch tv.
Everyone is seeing through their desperate "gimmick of the month". Villains month, Batwoman getting engaged, killing Robin, gatefold WTF? cover week, Transgender in Batgirl, blah, blah, blah. Firing/hiring Gail Simone and writers quitting, it's obvious sales are all that matters. There's something going on backstage that execs want to do with characters that writers aren't willing to do.

Meanwhile, over at Marvel, Hickman rocks everything he writes. Avengers, New Avengers. We're even selling more Hulk than ever before. Hawkeye is AMAZING, we're even selling more than 5 issues of Thor. THOR! Not to mention Superior Spider-Man constantly sells out.
It's mainly because Marvel is writing quality stories and letting them get word of mouth results. Takes longer, but it shows it's working.
Indy's are fine and it's cool Marvel is letting Hickman write indy stories for Image, fark DC!
They've ruined every character.
I've see Batman cry TWICE for Heaven's sake.
Superman is a jerk, they tried to kill John Stewart and now "Oh, good heavens, we killed a major character and there's no way they'll be back, really."

Fark you, DC.
Fire the top 5 people and start over.
Again.
/end rant
 
2013-05-30 10:21:28 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Dimensio: Felgraf: Hebalo: texdent: Damien is the only currently dead Robin.

That accurate and ridiculous phrasing is one of the biggest problems in modern comics.

You know, when I think of it, City of Heroes didn't really pull much "BACK FROM THE DEEEEAAAAADDDD" stuff, save perhaps in one comic. Even super-magical-mystical people, like Warwitch-I don't think she ever really got her physical form back.

Then again, I admit I dropped off after the first few storylines...

... Damnit I farking miss that game. =(

A physical Warwitch was introduced in a later expansion, though hints suggested that she was from a parallel universe, and the astral-only Warwitch remained in Croatoa.

Additionally, your referencing of City of Heroes has caused me to again experience the human emotion known as "sadness".

*pours one out for Papa Ghede, The Devolutionary, and Reality Man*


members.iglou.comDo not forget this "hero".
 
2013-05-30 10:22:09 AM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Hebalo: texdent: Damien is the only currently dead Robin.

That accurate and ridiculous phrasing is one of the biggest problems in modern comics.

Modern comics?

I'm pretty sure that Death's revolving door isn't some new perversion in the comic book industry.


When I was young, I used to hear people say that, "The only characters that stay dead in comics are Bucky, Jason Todd, and Uncle Ben."

Since then, Bucky and Jason Todd have come back.

That should tell you something.
 
2013-05-30 10:24:38 AM  

Dimensio: HeartBurnKid: Dimensio: Felgraf: Hebalo: texdent: Damien is the only currently dead Robin.

That accurate and ridiculous phrasing is one of the biggest problems in modern comics.

You know, when I think of it, City of Heroes didn't really pull much "BACK FROM THE DEEEEAAAAADDDD" stuff, save perhaps in one comic. Even super-magical-mystical people, like Warwitch-I don't think she ever really got her physical form back.

Then again, I admit I dropped off after the first few storylines...

... Damnit I farking miss that game. =(

A physical Warwitch was introduced in a later expansion, though hints suggested that she was from a parallel universe, and the astral-only Warwitch remained in Croatoa.

Additionally, your referencing of City of Heroes has caused me to again experience the human emotion known as "sadness".

*pours one out for Papa Ghede, The Devolutionary, and Reality Man*

[members.iglou.com image 552x542]Do not forget this "hero".


That's awesome.  I wish I had screengrabs of my characters.

Great villain concept, too.
 
2013-05-30 10:31:34 AM  

Zombie DJ: Meanwhile, over at Marvel, Hickman rocks everything he writes. Avengers, New Avengers.


To each their own: Hickman's Avengers bored me to tears. It's the first time that I'm not buying that book since Busiek/Perez restarted it after Heroes Reborn.
 
2013-05-30 10:32:14 AM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Hebalo: texdent: Damien is the only currently dead Robin.

That accurate and ridiculous phrasing is one of the biggest problems in modern comics.

Modern comics?

I'm pretty sure that Death's revolving door isn't some new perversion in the comic book industry.


It didn't used to be that way though. It was the Death and Return of Superman that changed it. Before that, sure, minor characters might die and come back, but you never killed a major character, unless you wanted him to stay dead. Now, jesus...I've started to catching up on past Marvel issues since I stopped reading in the mid-late 90's and Charles Xavier alone has died and been re-born at least 3 friggin times!
 
2013-05-30 10:33:00 AM  

Zombie DJ: RoyFokker'sGhost: Between this and the teen sex & snuff book that is 'Avengers Arena', is it any wonder why I think comics from the Big 2 these days are utter shiat?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x264]

Then you're not paying attention to Marvel.
**disclaimer before rant: I used to read NOTHING but DC before the "New 52". I
Working in our comic shop, I can tell you, if someone said marvel would be on top 4 years ago, I'd have laughed in your face, but our subscription service doesn't lie. We fill a box of Marvel subscribers and are now able to put DC AND Independent comic publishers in the same box. That equals to about HALF of what we used to sell of DC.
DC is being run by the same FOX Execs that cancel tv shows after the pilot and move on, only those execs don't even watch tv.
Everyone is seeing through their desperate "gimmick of the month". Villains month, Batwoman getting engaged, killing Robin, gatefold WTF? cover week, Transgender in Batgirl, blah, blah, blah. Firing/hiring Gail Simone and writers quitting, it's obvious sales are all that matters. There's something going on backstage that execs want to do with characters that writers aren't willing to do.

Meanwhile, over at Marvel, Hickman rocks everything he writes. Avengers, New Avengers. We're even selling more Hulk than ever before. Hawkeye is AMAZING, we're even selling more than 5 issues of Thor. THOR! Not to mention Superior Spider-Man constantly sells out.
It's mainly because Marvel is writing quality stories and letting them get word of mouth results. Takes longer, but it shows it's working.
Indy's are fine and it's cool Marvel is letting Hickman write indy stories for Image, fark DC!
They've ruined every character.
I've see Batman cry TWICE for Heaven's sake.
Superman is a jerk, they tried to kill John Stewart and now "Oh, good heavens, we killed a major character and there's no way they'll be back, really."

Fark you, DC.
Fire the top 5 people and start over.
Again.
/end rant


I would be a lot more willing to give Marvel a chance if the "good" books didn't have shiat art.

Heard good things about Captain Marvel. Went to the LCS because I wanted the books RIGHT NOW. Had them in my hands. Then, I made the mistake of looking between the covers of the trades to find something that looked like it was shat out by someone who is envious that Rob Liefeld is a master of his craft.

Hawkeye... heard good things, hate the look of the art.

Quit reading Spider-Man long ago, not because of Brand New Day, but because the artists they were hiring must have been chickens, considering the art consisted of little more than barely defined scratches.
 
2013-05-30 10:37:51 AM  

YodaBlues: Charles Xavier alone has died and been re-born at least 3 friggin times!


He's dead again because a Phoenix empowered Cyclops killed him.
 
2013-05-30 10:39:08 AM  
Here, have a good, entertaining, finished supers comic. (Well, sort of. more of a slice without any planned continuation? And there's no actual battling or fighting, but it's still awesome.)

http://www.jinxville.com/joshnimp/comic.htm

Works even better if you hear the character who pops in at the end in Kevin Conroy's voice.
 
2013-05-30 10:39:33 AM  

YodaBlues: Some 'Splainin' To Do: Hebalo: texdent: Damien is the only currently dead Robin.

That accurate and ridiculous phrasing is one of the biggest problems in modern comics.

Modern comics?

I'm pretty sure that Death's revolving door isn't some new perversion in the comic book industry.

It didn't used to be that way though. It was the Death and Return of Superman that changed it. Before that, sure, minor characters might die and come back, but you never killed a major character, unless you wanted him to stay dead. Now, jesus...I've started to catching up on past Marvel issues since I stopped reading in the mid-late 90's and Charles Xavier alone has died and been re-born at least 3 friggin times!


Two words: JEAN GREY.
 
2013-05-30 10:39:57 AM  
And crap like this is why I stopped buying these comics
 
2013-05-30 10:42:19 AM  
They're speculating @ Newsarama that it's "not the real Selina Kyle" that got killed or something.

Meh, who cares really.  DC's going down a s**thole real fast and no one at Time Warner seems to care other than "how much money will we get out of it."

Also:  Just noticed the Gillete "Man of Steel" ads on my way to work this AM.   Now, I understand that people are going to market the hell out of a big movie...but that just turned me off of the movie.
 
2013-05-30 10:48:45 AM  

Snapper Carr: Hey, someone needs to stock the refrigerator.


Came to post that, and your username makes it perfect.
 
2013-05-30 10:59:15 AM  

Felgraf: Here, have a good, entertaining, finished supers comic. (Well, sort of. more of a slice without any planned continuation? And there's no actual battling or fighting, but it's still awesome.)

http://www.jinxville.com/joshnimp/comic.htm

Works even better if you hear the character who pops in at the end in Kevin Conroy's voice.


I feel I need to pay someone something after reading that.
 
2013-05-30 10:59:38 AM  

Zombie DJ: RoyFokker'sGhost: Between this and the teen sex & snuff book that is 'Avengers Arena', is it any wonder why I think comics from the Big 2 these days are utter shiat?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x264]

Then you're not paying attention to Marvel.
**disclaimer before rant: I used to read NOTHING but DC before the "New 52". I
Working in our comic shop, I can tell you, if someone said marvel would be on top 4 years ago, I'd have laughed in your face, but our subscription service doesn't lie. We fill a box of Marvel subscribers and are now able to put DC AND Independent comic publishers in the same box. That equals to about HALF of what we used to sell of DC.
DC is being run by the same FOX Execs that cancel tv shows after the pilot and move on, only those execs don't even watch tv.
Everyone is seeing through their desperate "gimmick of the month". Villains month, Batwoman getting engaged, killing Robin, gatefold WTF? cover week, Transgender in Batgirl, blah, blah, blah. Firing/hiring Gail Simone and writers quitting, it's obvious sales are all that matters. There's something going on backstage that execs want to do with characters that writers aren't willing to do.

Meanwhile, over at Marvel, Hickman rocks everything he writes. Avengers, New Avengers. We're even selling more Hulk than ever before. Hawkeye is AMAZING, we're even selling more than 5 issues of Thor. THOR! Not to mention Superior Spider-Man constantly sells out.
It's mainly because Marvel is writing quality stories and letting them get word of mouth results. Takes longer, but it shows it's working.
Indy's are fine and it's cool Marvel is letting Hickman write indy stories for Image, fark DC!
They've ruined every character.
I've see Batman cry TWICE for Heaven's sake.
Superman is a jerk, they tried to kill John Stewart and now "Oh, good heavens, we killed a major character and there's no way they'll be back, really."

Fark you, DC.
Fire the top 5 people and start over.
Again.
/end rant


No, I am paying attention to Marvel.

-The idiotic 'Clor' story
-Death of Captain America
-Dearth of Johnny Storm
-Death of Peter Parker and possession of his body by Doc Ock
-Avengers Vs. X-Men was a pointless, convoluted mess setting up a penis joke (Piotr, Emma, Namor, Illyana, Scott)
-Colossus becoming Juggernaut
-One More Day

Shall I go on?

Sorry, but Marvel is just as pandering, just as event-driven in sales, just as screwed up as DC. They use death to bump up sales just like DC. Their sales have dwindled since the 90's as they got more and more extreme and gimicky and event-based to pander to the extreme fanboys and 'collectors'. Wolverine, supposedly the most bad-assed character at Marvel, has a monthly sales today about equal to the best-selling Archie title. 'Death of Captain America' sold about 250,000 a few years ago when it hit stands; that same month, Disney Comic Adventures sold 1 MILLION copies a month in what would be it's final year of publication. Think about that: the most pivotal  iconic, defining event of Marvel in the past decade got it's ass handed to it by Captain Jack Sparrow. Marvel is is in the same situation as DC is, just a marginally better smell of shiat. And this is coming from a dedicated Marvel fan of the 90's.
 
2013-05-30 11:01:41 AM  

Felgraf: Works even better if you hear the character who pops in at the end in Kevin Conroy's voice.


Is it even possible to read that and  not hear it in Kevin Conroy's voice? If I had money to blow on any project I wanted, I'd executive produce an animated version of that under the condition that Kevin Conroy does the voice work.
 
2013-05-30 11:02:52 AM  
RoyFokker'sGhost:

No, I am paying attention to Marvel.

-Dearth of Johnny Storm


Yeah, but too much Johnny Storm would be even worse.
 
2013-05-30 11:09:29 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: RoyFokker'sGhost:

No, I am paying attention to Marvel.

-Dearth of Johnny Storm

Yeah, but too much Johnny Storm would be even worse.


I'm just waking up, cut me some slack....
 
2013-05-30 11:10:31 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Death of Peter Parker and possession of his body by Doc Ock


I'm betting Pete will be back in his body by the time Amazing Spider-Man 2 comes out.
 
2013-05-30 11:10:42 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Well, at least they didn't get Doctor Light to come in and rape the head wound.

...yet.


I won't rest until the female Dr. Light is also a serial rapist.
 
2013-05-30 11:11:01 AM  

Infernalist: Felgraf: Here, have a good, entertaining, finished supers comic. (Well, sort of. more of a slice without any planned continuation? And there's no actual battling or fighting, but it's still awesome.)

http://www.jinxville.com/joshnimp/comic.htm

Works even better if you hear the character who pops in at the end in Kevin Conroy's voice.

I feel I need to pay someone something after reading that.



t3knomanser: Felgraf: Works even better if you hear the character who pops in at the end in Kevin Conroy's voice.

Is it even possible to read that and  not hear it in Kevin Conroy's voice? If I had money to blow on any project I wanted, I'd executive produce an animated version of that under the condition that Kevin Conroy does the voice work.


Gah, I should have linked this page as the original:
http://www.jinxville.com/joshnimp/
(Director Comemntary!)

And http://www.jinxville.com/  appears to be the site of the originators. I haven't poked around it much yet:  I only recently found that comic myself, but wished to share.
 
2013-05-30 11:12:02 AM  

texdent: He's dead again because a Phoenix empowered Cyclops killed him.


That sentence sums up why I don't buy Marvel.
 
2013-05-30 11:12:57 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: FirstNationalBastard: RoyFokker'sGhost:

No, I am paying attention to Marvel.

-Dearth of Johnny Storm

Yeah, but too much Johnny Storm would be even worse.

I'm just waking up, cut me some slack....


Fine, I'll give you a real reply then ...

I think the amount of disappointment you have comes down to which company you were most loyal to.

Both are kind of shiat at this point. But, if you were mostly a DC fan, their shiat is shiattier than Marvel, and Marvel even looks good in comparison.

If you were a Marvel guy, well... you probably don't like most Marvel, but have no real choice except the indies, because DC is Marvel, circa 1996, at this point.
 
2013-05-30 11:13:47 AM  
I said it in the other comic thread, but I'll say it here as well:

When I heard that Jason Todd was back from the dead, I was immediately glad that I gave up on comics in high school.
 
2013-05-30 11:14:14 AM  

Fano: FirstNationalBastard: Well, at least they didn't get Doctor Light to come in and rape the head wound.

...yet.

I won't rest until the female Dr. Light is also a serial rapist.


Yeah, but who would she rape? Batwoman? Maggie Sawyer? The Question?

I think that's the extent of DC's Lesbians, and at least two of the probably don't exist anymore.
 
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