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(Washington Post)   As a surprise to no one, Boston PD officers fail to back up FBI claim that the Chechen shot dead last week during an "interrogation" was in fact armed   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-05-30 11:33:31 AM  
Not surprising at all, actually. Thanks to the Boston PD officers who refused to support a lie
 
2013-05-30 11:37:03 AM  
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RIP Demetri Martin
 
2013-05-30 11:53:27 AM  
Wasn't he shot in Florida?
 
2013-05-30 11:54:28 AM  
So after the guy admitted taking part in a triple murder, he overturned a table, threw a chair and appeared to lunge at what turned out to be a dull blade, and got shot.

So why is the FBI at fault here?
 
2013-05-30 11:54:31 AM  
not to be nitpicky, but they weren't Boston PD.  They were Massachusetts State Troopers.
 
2013-05-30 11:54:32 AM  
Was he carrying a bag of skittles?
 
2013-05-30 11:55:06 AM  
I've got a handful of insoluble cold-cases I could pin on him and slap myself on the back.
 
2013-05-30 11:57:23 AM  
It's an easy mistake to make. Gun, knife, wallet, comb, big handful of nothing - they all look pretty much the same.
 
2013-05-30 11:59:12 AM  

SmackLT: Not surprising at all, actually. Thanks to the Boston PD officers who refused to support a lie


Did the FBI claim he was armed? FTA:

In the statement about Todashev's shooting issued on the day of the incident, the FBI said that an agent, along with two Massachusetts State Police troopers and other law enforcement personnel, were interviewing "an individual" in connection with the Boston Marathon bombing investigation when a "violent confrontation was initiated by the individual."

Initial reports citing anonymous law-enforcement individuals provided conflicting accounts of what happened. Some law enforcement officials said Todashev wielded a knife and others suggested that he attempted to grab the FBI agent's gun.


You don't have to be armed to initiate a violent confrontation. I admittedly have not really followed this case, but based upon this article, the FBI claimed no such thing.
 
2013-05-30 11:59:49 AM  
So, if this guy was unarmed... why did the FBI execute him? What's their motivation supposed to be?
 
2013-05-30 11:59:57 AM  
Did subby fail to read the article? Where does it even MENTION the Boston Police Department???
 
2013-05-30 12:00:18 PM  

Car_Ramrod: You don't have to be armed to initiate a violent confrontation. I admittedly have not really followed this case, but based upon this article, the FBI claimed no such thing.


'Anonymous sources' said he had a knife at some point, not the FBI.
 
2013-05-30 12:00:39 PM  

Tatsuma: So after the guy admitted taking part in a triple murder, he overturned a table, threw a chair and appeared to lunge at what turned out to be a dull blade, and got shot.

So why is the FBI at fault here?


Because, tin foil and oppressive government, and such as reasons...
 
2013-05-30 12:01:02 PM  
We are protecting you, citizen. Do not question our methods too closely; that's not what a good American does.
 
2013-05-30 12:01:20 PM  
that is one hell of a broken nose he has in that picture
 
2013-05-30 12:02:55 PM  

theTortfeasor: Did subby fail to read the article? Where does it even MENTION the Boston Police Department???


Why let mere facts get in the way of snarking on the FBI? It's not like he's accusing them of not paying attention to reality or anything, because if he were that would make subby either a flaming hypocrite or a mouth-breathing moron. Possibly both.
 
2013-05-30 12:03:06 PM  
This reads like it's written by a reporter who's pissed that investigators won't leak details of an ongoing investigation.

"You won't give me privileged information!?!? Well I'll just make shiat up!"
 
2013-05-30 12:03:16 PM  
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He was coming right at us!
 
2013-05-30 12:03:22 PM  
Who cares he was a terrorist amirite?

/I wonder what recourse anyone would have if the government decided you were a terrorist and initiating a violent conflict...you'd be cold and in the ground before anyone would know any different
 
2013-05-30 12:03:35 PM  

wambu: We are protecting you, citizen. Do not question our methods too closely; that's not what a good American does.


Correct.  Good Americans skip the article, and get right to being full of sh*t.
 
2013-05-30 12:09:11 PM  

Car_Ramrod: [www.washingtonpost.com image 296x370]

RIP Demetri Martin


Looks like a dehumanizing stare to me.
 
2013-05-30 12:11:20 PM  

js34603: Who cares he was a terrorist amirite?

/I wonder what recourse anyone would have if the government decided you were a terrorist and initiating a violent conflict...you'd be cold and in the ground before anyone would know any different


This is why i have a strict "shoot first, ask questions later" policy when it comes to dealing with any gov't entity. The ladies at the toll booths hate it.
 
2013-05-30 12:13:37 PM  

jaybeezey: This is why i have a strict "shoot first, ask questions later" policy when it comes to dealing with any gov't entity. The ladies at the toll booths hate it.


Can I trade my worthless US currency in for solid tin Jaybeezey Sovereign coins?
 
2013-05-30 12:14:00 PM  

Tatsuma: Car_Ramrod: You don't have to be armed to initiate a violent confrontation. I admittedly have not really followed this case, but based upon this article, the FBI claimed no such thing.

'Anonymous sources' said he had a knife at some point, not the FBI.


Oh, well, as long as it's legit like that.
 
2013-05-30 12:15:44 PM  
The only thing that I don't understand - and maybe it's because I'm mistaken about where the interrogation happened - is why the FBI agents were armed.

I always though you left your firearm outside the secure areas in any detention facility.  I know I never entered into the holding cells with my weapon.

Maybe he was just in some interview room at a local office, but the impression I got was that he was in some sort of holding unit at a jail.  If that's the case, I think there is a procedural weakness that may have made this worse than it needed to be.

Again, if he was just in some office, then it's all moot.
 
2013-05-30 12:15:51 PM  
Why does it matter if he was armed?

Trayvon Martin wasn't armed and he was justifiably shot.
 
2013-05-30 12:18:26 PM  
I haven't followed this closely. Was this interrogation recorded? Because at this point I am suspicious of everything that anyone is saying someone involved said, did, or had.

If not, why the hell not when this is the most high profile case to hit MA since that business with the tea?
 
2013-05-30 12:18:59 PM  

chard: not to be nitpicky, but they weren't Boston PD.  They were Massachusetts State Troopers.


Whichever police department it was, it's still surprising. They'll probably get a rock in their stocking this Xmas. (Not coal, that's good for something.)

I can't imagine anything like that happening on J.Edgar Hoover's watch: he'd have micromanaged the whole thing with blackmail as his weapon. Somethinfg like "We know you took bathtub snapshots of your 2 year old: that's KIDDIE PORN!"
 
2013-05-30 12:19:53 PM  

Tatsuma: So after the guy admitted taking part in a triple murder, he overturned a table, threw a chair and appeared to lunge at what turned out to be a dull blade, and got shot.

So why is the FBI at fault here?


It's his fault.  You never ever ever allow Federal agents into your house.  Only bad things will happen.
 
2013-05-30 12:20:46 PM  
ltdanman44

that is one hell of a broken nose he has in that picture

First thing I saw... one hell of a fight he lost.
 
2013-05-30 12:21:54 PM  
We getting interrogation tactics from Putin now?
 
2013-05-30 12:24:05 PM  

Highroller48: The only thing that I don't understand - and maybe it's because I'm mistaken about where the interrogation happened - is why the FBI agents were armed.

I always though you left your firearm outside the secure areas in any detention facility.  I know I never entered into the holding cells with my weapon.

Maybe he was just in some interview room at a local office, but the impression I got was that he was in some sort of holding unit at a jail.  If that's the case, I think there is a procedural weakness that may have made this worse than it needed to be.

Again, if he was just in some office, then it's all moot.


They were in Todashev's apartment I believe.
 
2013-05-30 12:26:58 PM  
According to an article on boston.com his father says he had 6 gunshot wounds to the chest and one in the back of the head. Let's kick things up a notch...
 
2013-05-30 12:27:28 PM  
What I want to know is why they killed him or let him die when they could have turned him and/or had a nice big show trial. You'd think the FBI would want someone "who knew bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev" to testify to the Official Version at least or to sit there looking glum while his neighbors testify they saw several ME-looking types in his apartment several times and "they looked very shifty." Stalin would have had their asses for an hors d'oeuvre.

It's been over 12.5 years since "9/11" -- can't they manage their police state correctly by now?
 
2013-05-30 12:27:45 PM  

Gonz: So, if this guy was unarmed... why did the FBI execute him? What's their motivation supposed to be?


I don't know.  Why don't you frame the answer in a way that fits your framed question since you already know everything there is to know about what is going on here?
 
2013-05-30 12:29:24 PM  

js34603: Who cares he was a terrorist amirite?

/I wonder what recourse anyone would have if the government decided you were a terrorist and initiating a violent conflict...you'd be cold and in the ground before anyone would know any different


The dead have no recourse.  The dead do not care.  They only know they are dead.
 
2013-05-30 12:30:40 PM  

tommyl66: According to an article on boston.com his father says he had 6 gunshot wounds to the chest and one in the back of the head. Let's kick things up a notch...


Well, not saying the FBI is completely blameless, but dear old dad ALSO said his son "could never commit a crime"...the guy left unconscious and toothless over a parking spot dispute might disagree...
 
2013-05-30 12:31:30 PM  

tommyl66: According to an article on boston.com his father says he had 6 gunshot wounds to the chest and one in the back of the head. Let's kick things up a notch...


Seriously? Holy crap - I thought you were trolling...
 
2013-05-30 12:31:54 PM  

Highroller48: The only thing that I don't understand - and maybe it's because I'm mistaken about where the interrogation happened - is why the FBI agents were armed.


I stopped reading after that.  I mean, knowing that you asked this question, there is no humanly possible way anything you say could get any better.  I'm afraid you have peaked.
 
2013-05-30 12:32:03 PM  

Ring of Fire: Highroller48: The only thing that I don't understand - and maybe it's because I'm mistaken about where the interrogation happened - is why the FBI agents were armed.

I always though you left your firearm outside the secure areas in any detention facility.  I know I never entered into the holding cells with my weapon.

Maybe he was just in some interview room at a local office, but the impression I got was that he was in some sort of holding unit at a jail.  If that's the case, I think there is a procedural weakness that may have made this worse than it needed to be.

Again, if he was just in some office, then it's all moot.

They were in Todashev's apartment I believe.


Well, then I'l just shut up and go sit over here.......Thanks for clarifying.
 
2013-05-30 12:32:06 PM  
The dead tell no tales.
 
2013-05-30 12:32:16 PM  
He was in his own apartment, all of the agents had left the room except for the one that shot him. It was at night after they had been questioning him in his own apartment for several hours.

Seem legit.
 
2013-05-30 12:32:45 PM  

Stepped_In_What: Wasn't he shot in Florida?


No. He was shot in the back of the head.
 
2013-05-30 12:34:58 PM  

PunGent: tommyl66: According to an article on boston.com his father says he had 6 gunshot wounds to the chest and one in the back of the head. Let's kick things up a notch...

Well, not saying the FBI is completely blameless, but dear old dad ALSO said his son "could never commit a crime"...the guy left unconscious and toothless over a parking spot dispute might disagree...


...and considering that's irrelevant to the question at hand, what's the point?

Three law enforcement officials said initially that Todashev had lunged at the FBI agent with a knife, although two of them later said it was no longer clear what had happened.

That's what's happening right now, and that's the question at hand. If the article at boston.com is accurate, something horrible went down, and none of the people involved are telling the truth. The man was shot, in his own home, while being questioned. He wasn't a suspect, as far as anyone knows - he was simply a person of interest, related to the suspects that committed the bombing, He's now dead, with six in the chest and one in the back of the head, and almost all of the folks who initially claimed that "he came right for us" are now suddenly stricken with amnesia.

You don't find that odd?
 
2013-05-30 12:35:19 PM  
They won't be pressured to cook up evidence?
 
2013-05-30 12:39:52 PM  

jafiwam: Why does it matter if he was armed?

Trayvon Martin wasn't armed and he was justifiably shot.


You're getting confused by the "Chechyan" thing. This guy was technically white.
 
2013-05-30 12:40:47 PM  

Magnus: Gonz: So, if this guy was unarmed... why did the FBI execute him? What's their motivation supposed to be?

I don't know.  Why don't you frame the answer in a way that fits your framed question since you already know everything there is to know about what is going on here?


OK, let me try this a different way:

What would the FBI's motivation be to kill this man?
 
2013-05-30 12:40:52 PM  

Magnus: Highroller48: The only thing that I don't understand - and maybe it's because I'm mistaken about where the interrogation happened - is why the FBI agents were armed.

I stopped reading after that.  I mean, knowing that you asked this question, there is no humanly possible way anything you say could get any better.  I'm afraid you have peaked.


If you had kept reading, you would perhaps have understood the question I was asking...which is summed up in the following image:

kpbs.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com

I wasn't sure where the interrogation took place.

Now I know.  Problem solved.
 
2013-05-30 12:41:07 PM  

PunGent: tommyl66: According to an article on boston.com his father says he had 6 gunshot wounds to the chest and one in the back of the head. Let's kick things up a notch...

Well, not saying the FBI is completely blameless, but dear old dad ALSO said his son "could never commit a crime"...the guy left unconscious and toothless over a parking spot dispute might disagree...


Lots of confusion surrounding this story, the least of which is that we are getting multiple versions via soundbites translated by a really horrible "journalist".

If the guy had a knife and attempted to stab the FBI Special Agent, case closed.  If the guy charged the FBI agent and attempted to grab his gun, case closed.  If this guy threw a punch and started going steroid crazy, then use of lethal force should be investigated, but the SA gets the benefit of the doubt.  If the guy was just sitting there nicely and about to put his jsieisjkckjjdfye Hancock on the confession and the FBI SA just decided to whip out his 9mm and empty half a clip into this guy's chest and one in the back of his head just to be sure...maybe we should check out the story a little bit closer.

History of the deceased, reported purposed of the interview, and logic seems to indicate that we may be closer to scenario #2 than #4.  I'll wait for the final report before declaring a conspiracy amongst FBI and Mass Troopers.
 
2013-05-30 12:42:22 PM  

FormlessOne: PunGent: tommyl66: According to an article on boston.com his father says he had 6 gunshot wounds to the chest and one in the back of the head. Let's kick things up a notch...

Well, not saying the FBI is completely blameless, but dear old dad ALSO said his son "could never commit a crime"...the guy left unconscious and toothless over a parking spot dispute might disagree...

...and considering that's irrelevant to the question at hand, what's the point?

Three law enforcement officials said initially that Todashev had lunged at the FBI agent with a knife, although two of them later said it was no longer clear what had happened.

That's what's happening right now, and that's the question at hand. If the article at boston.com is accurate, something horrible went down, and none of the people involved are telling the truth. The man was shot, in his own home, while being questioned. He wasn't a suspect, as far as anyone knows - he was simply a person of interest, related to the suspects that committed the bombing, He's now dead, with six in the chest and one in the back of the head, and almost all of the folks who initially claimed that "he came right for us" are now suddenly stricken with amnesia.

You don't find that odd?


The man was about to sign a confession to participation in a triple homicide.  Not a suspect?  Wut?
 
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