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2013-05-30 12:11:22 AM  
A court employee who retrieved........

cry moar
 
2013-05-30 03:53:52 AM  
That evidence was ruled inadmissible anyway.
 
2013-05-30 04:24:12 AM  

unamused: That evidence was ruled inadmissible anyway.


But it was still evidence the Prosecution had, and failed to give to the Defense team. Even if it is inadmissible for now (the article states it can't be mentioned in opening statements), it could possibly be allowed later, if this is just a temporary stay, or by appeal to a higher court. Regardless, at the time the evidence was obtained from the cell-phone, it had not yet been ruled inadmissible. Therefore, the Prosecution has some  serious explaining to do about withholding it from the Defense team.

This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.
 
2013-05-30 04:35:48 AM  

MmmmBacon: unamused: That evidence was ruled inadmissible anyway.

But it was still evidence the Prosecution had, and failed to give to the Defense team. Even if it is inadmissible for now (the article states it can't be mentioned in opening statements), it could possibly be allowed later, if this is just a temporary stay, or by appeal to a higher court. Regardless, at the time the evidence was obtained from the cell-phone, it had not yet been ruled inadmissible. Therefore, the Prosecution has some  serious explaining to do about withholding it from the Defense team.

This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.


Almost like charging a man with Murder 2 with little or no legal ground except NBC doctored evidence in the news and it got people all uppity.
 
2013-05-30 04:37:45 AM  

doglover: MmmmBacon: unamused: That evidence was ruled inadmissible anyway.

But it was still evidence the Prosecution had, and failed to give to the Defense team. Even if it is inadmissible for now (the article states it can't be mentioned in opening statements), it could possibly be allowed later, if this is just a temporary stay, or by appeal to a higher court. Regardless, at the time the evidence was obtained from the cell-phone, it had not yet been ruled inadmissible. Therefore, the Prosecution has some  serious explaining to do about withholding it from the Defense team.

This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.

Almost like charging a man with Murder 2 with little or no legal ground except NBC doctored evidence in the news and it got people all uppity.


The Prosecution team has been less-than-stellar in this case, that's for sure.
 
2013-05-30 05:19:28 AM  

MmmmBacon: unamused: That evidence was ruled inadmissible anyway.

But it was still evidence the Prosecution had, and failed to give to the Defense team. Even if it is inadmissible for now (the article states it can't be mentioned in opening statements), it could possibly be allowed later, if this is just a temporary stay, or by appeal to a higher court. Regardless, at the time the evidence was obtained from the cell-phone, it had not yet been ruled inadmissible. Therefore, the Prosecution has some  serious explaining to do about withholding it from the Defense team.

This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.


You know how I can tell you didn't read the article?
Of course the headline for TFA is misleading, and the article is a trainwreck, but it was actually the (ex) prosecutor who turned in the IT guy from the court.


Former prosecutor Wesley White said he was ethically obligated to reveal that Fourth Judicial Circuit Information Technology Director Ben Kruidbos retrieved the data that weren't turned over.
 
2013-05-30 05:29:47 AM  

cretinbob: MmmmBacon: unamused: That evidence was ruled inadmissible anyway.

But it was still evidence the Prosecution had, and failed to give to the Defense team. Even if it is inadmissible for now (the article states it can't be mentioned in opening statements), it could possibly be allowed later, if this is just a temporary stay, or by appeal to a higher court. Regardless, at the time the evidence was obtained from the cell-phone, it had not yet been ruled inadmissible. Therefore, the Prosecution has some  serious explaining to do about withholding it from the Defense team.

This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.

You know how I can tell you didn't read the article?
Of course the headline for TFA is misleading, and the article is a trainwreck, but it was actually the (ex) prosecutor who turned in the IT guy from the court.


Former prosecutor Wesley White said he was ethically obligated to reveal that Fourth Judicial Circuit Information Technology Director Ben Kruidbos retrieved the data that weren't turned over.


Oh, no, I read the article. Just because the former Prosecutor changed his tune and revealed the evidence to the Court does not make his office holding it back in the first place any less damaging. Furthermore, the current Prosecutor was, until yesterday, still holding that evidence back from the Defense. This may end up saving the ex-Prosecutor's career as a lawyer, but expect some form of penalty to be forthcoming from the Bar. The rest of the team is still screwed.
 
2013-05-30 06:48:16 AM  

doglover: Almost like charging a man with Murder 2 with little or no legal ground except NBC doctored evidence in the news and it got people all a dead unarmed black teenager who shouldn't have got uppity.


Accurated that for you.
 
2013-05-30 06:50:07 AM  

MmmmBacon: This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins launches careers in Florida politics.


Fixed for you.
 
2013-05-30 06:50:25 AM  

doglover: MmmmBacon: unamused: That evidence was ruled inadmissible anyway.

But it was still evidence the Prosecution had, and failed to give to the Defense team. Even if it is inadmissible for now (the article states it can't be mentioned in opening statements), it could possibly be allowed later, if this is just a temporary stay, or by appeal to a higher court. Regardless, at the time the evidence was obtained from the cell-phone, it had not yet been ruled inadmissible. Therefore, the Prosecution has some  serious explaining to do about withholding it from the Defense team.

This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.

Almost like charging a man with Murder 2 with little or no legal ground except NBC doctored evidence in the news and it got people all uppity.


Hooray! ^^^^this and stuff...
 
2013-05-30 06:51:19 AM  
Drink?
 
2013-05-30 06:51:53 AM  
I expect the commentary here to be subdued and nuanced.
 
2013-05-30 06:53:03 AM  

MmmmBacon: unamused: That evidence was ruled inadmissible anyway.

But it was still evidence the Prosecution had, and failed to give to the Defense team. Even if it is inadmissible for now (the article states it can't be mentioned in opening statements), it could possibly be allowed later, if this is just a temporary stay, or by appeal to a higher court. Regardless, at the time the evidence was obtained from the cell-phone, it had not yet been ruled inadmissible. Therefore, the Prosecution has some  serious explaining to do about withholding it from the Defense team.

This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.


No it isn't. This kind of thing goes on day and night, and nobody does anything about it unless it happens in a "prominent"case. Nobody will be punished over this - in this particular case, it won't even effect the trial.
 
2013-05-30 06:53:29 AM  

MmmmBacon: This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.


3.bp.blogspot.com
Where the white women at?
 
2013-05-30 06:54:24 AM  

MmmmBacon: unamused: That evidence was ruled inadmissible anyway.

But it was still evidence the Prosecution had, and failed to give to the Defense team. Even if it is inadmissible for now (the article states it can't be mentioned in opening statements), it could possibly be allowed later, if this is just a temporary stay, or by appeal to a higher court. Regardless, at the time the evidence was obtained from the cell-phone, it had not yet been ruled inadmissible. Therefore, the Prosecution has some  serious explaining to do about withholding it from the Defense team.

This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.


Not a   Brady violation IMHO because the evidence is not exculpatory being inadmissiible)  still a sanctionable discovery violation, that should get somebody a steep fine
 
2013-05-30 06:54:56 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: I expect the commentary here to be subdued and nuanced.


I'm afraid I have bad news....
 
2013-05-30 06:55:36 AM  

doglover: MmmmBacon: unamused: That evidence was ruled inadmissible anyway.

But it was still evidence the Prosecution had, and failed to give to the Defense team. Even if it is inadmissible for now (the article states it can't be mentioned in opening statements), it could possibly be allowed later, if this is just a temporary stay, or by appeal to a higher court. Regardless, at the time the evidence was obtained from the cell-phone, it had not yet been ruled inadmissible. Therefore, the Prosecution has some  serious explaining to do about withholding it from the Defense team.

This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.

Almost like charging a man with Murder 2 with little or no legal ground except NBC doctored evidence in the news and it got people all uppity.


Well that, and the cooling, bullet-ridden corpse of the child he chased down and murdered,
 
2013-05-30 06:56:09 AM  
I find it very sad that any person's defense relies on how much money they raise.

Needs at least $75,000 for a fighting chance


/not an exact quote
 
2013-05-30 06:56:24 AM  

orbister: doglover: Almost like charging a man with Murder 2 with little or no legal ground except NBC doctored evidence in the news and it got people all a dead unarmed black teenager who shouldn't have got uppity.

Accurated that for you.


Unarmed is relative. If Zimmerman's story is true, and undoctored evidence supports it so far, the boy almost had a gun: Zimmerman's.

Just because there's only one weapon doesn't mean only one person has access.
 
2013-05-30 06:57:21 AM  
Hopefully Angela Corey is convicted of a crime when this is over.
 
2013-05-30 06:58:55 AM  

doglover: orbister: doglover: Almost like charging a man with Murder 2 with little or no legal ground except NBC doctored evidence in the news and it got people all a dead unarmed black teenager who shouldn't have got uppity.

Accurated that for you.

Unarmed is relative. If Zimmerman's story is true, and undoctored evidence supports it so far, the boy almost had a gun: Zimmerman's.

Just because there's only one weapon doesn't mean only one person has access.


He almost had two spleens, too
 
2013-05-30 07:04:06 AM  

LewDux: doglover: orbister: doglover: Almost like charging a man with Murder 2 with little or no legal ground except NBC doctored evidence in the news and it got people all a dead unarmed black teenager who shouldn't have got uppity.

Accurated that for you.

Unarmed is relative. If Zimmerman's story is true, and undoctored evidence supports it so far, the boy almost had a gun: Zimmerman's.

Just because there's only one weapon doesn't mean only one person has access.

He almost had two spleens, too


Martin was almost Hispanic, as well.
 
2013-05-30 07:04:30 AM  

LewDux: He almost had two spleens, too


Ummm... whut?
 
2013-05-30 07:09:18 AM  

MmmmBacon: unamused: That evidence was ruled inadmissible anyway.

But it was still evidence the Prosecution had, and failed to give to the Defense team. Even if it is inadmissible for now (the article states it can't be mentioned in opening statements), it could possibly be allowed later, if this is just a temporary stay, or by appeal to a higher court. Regardless, at the time the evidence was obtained from the cell-phone, it had not yet been ruled inadmissible. Therefore, the Prosecution has some  serious explaining to do about withholding it from the Defense team.

This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.


it wasn't evidence that the judge ruled that had anything to do with the case. Just like Zimmerman's former arrest record,his assaulting of a police officer,his getting fired from his job as a bouncer at a bar because he couldn't control his temper, his domestic abuse history with his ex etc..
 
2013-05-30 07:09:33 AM  

Magorn: Not a   Brady violation IMHO because the evidence is not exculpatory being inadmissiible)  still a sanctionable discovery violation, that should get somebody a steep fine


Sounds like perjury is an issue here.  The issue at hand is that the prosecutor lied to the judge when he said he had turned over all of the known evidence. The IT guy who everyones talking about isnt even a factor... he's not the one they're gunning for here.  The prosecutor knew about the texts and pictures, and knowingly withheld them, and lied to the court and in legal documents.

Thats a big, big no no.  He could easily be disbarred on ethics violations, if nothing else.  It just depends on who wants to take up the cause and raise hell over the matter.
 
2013-05-30 07:10:41 AM  

BowtoMogul: I find it very sad that any person's defense relies on how much money they raise.

Needs at least $75,000 for a fighting chance


/not an exact quote


Zimmerman's idea of a fighting chance involves killing an unarmed teenager after stalking said teenager.
 
2013-05-30 07:11:00 AM  

MmmmBacon: cretinbob: MmmmBacon: unamused: That evidence was ruled inadmissible anyway.

But it was still evidence the Prosecution had, and failed to give to the Defense team. Even if it is inadmissible for now (the article states it can't be mentioned in opening statements), it could possibly be allowed later, if this is just a temporary stay, or by appeal to a higher court. Regardless, at the time the evidence was obtained from the cell-phone, it had not yet been ruled inadmissible. Therefore, the Prosecution has some  serious explaining to do about withholding it from the Defense team.

This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.

You know how I can tell you didn't read the article?
Of course the headline for TFA is misleading, and the article is a trainwreck, but it was actually the (ex) prosecutor who turned in the IT guy from the court.


Former prosecutor Wesley White said he was ethically obligated to reveal that Fourth Judicial Circuit Information Technology Director Ben Kruidbos retrieved the data that weren't turned over.

Oh, no, I read the article. Just because the former Prosecutor changed his tune and revealed the evidence to the Court does not make his office holding it back in the first place any less damaging. Furthermore, the current Prosecutor was, until yesterday, still holding that evidence back from the Defense. This may end up saving the ex-Prosecutor's career as a lawyer, but expect some form of penalty to be forthcoming from the Bar. The rest of the team is still screwed.


Was White the prosecutor on this case? FTFA, I got the impression that he was in the same office but not on the case. Not that it really matters - somebody should pay for this.
 
2013-05-30 07:12:26 AM  
Has anyone else noticed the blatant partisan bullshiat involved in this case?

If you are on the left you pretty much have convicted Zimmerman. If you are on the right you pretty much have see him as a superhero.

One would think that something like this would be immune.

Partisanship runs our lives and it is disgusting.
 
2013-05-30 07:12:48 AM  

doglover: Unarmed is relative. If Zimmerman's story is true, and undoctored evidence supports it so far, the boy almost had a gun: Zimmerman's.

Just because there's only one weapon doesn't mean only one person has access.


LOL. So Zimmerman had a gun, chased this kid down but it was possible that the kid could have gotten Zimmerman's gun so case dismissed.

Frankly, I don't give a shiat. It's been a year, hold the trial already. The OJ trial didn't drag on this long.

Oh shiat, the OJ trial. There isn't a lawyer on the defense team with a sort of hot daughter whose name sounds like a Star Trek villain with a sex tape who's going to torment us with reality shows is there?
 
2013-05-30 07:13:09 AM  

MmmmBacon: The Prosecution team has been less-than-stellar in this case, that's for sure.


this whole thing has stank to high heaven, from the cops first on the scene to the prosecutor swinging for the fence on the murder 2 charge to the judge not putting a gag order on Zimmerman's lawyer allowing him to take this "evidence" he couldn't use to Fox News to smear Trayvon with it. I think someone is throwing the game.
 
2013-05-30 07:13:51 AM  

doglover: Unarmed is relative. If Zimmerman's story is true, and undoctored evidence supports it so far, the boy almost had a gun: Zimmerman's.


So what's the current story? Z pulled a gun on M, M tried to snatch it and so Z shot him? The idea that you are legally allowed to kill someone for trying to stop you shooting him is ... interesting. Perhaps one has to be Floridian to appreciate it.
 
2013-05-30 07:14:35 AM  

cman: Has anyone else noticed the blatant partisan bullshiat involved in this case?

If you are on the left you pretty much have convicted Zimmerman. If you are on the right you pretty much see him as a superhero.

One would think that something like this would be immune.

Partisanship runs our lives and it is disgusting.


My bad. Fixt
 
2013-05-30 07:15:47 AM  

Bontesla: Zimmerman's idea of a fighting chance involves killing an unarmed teenager after stalking said teenager.


Yes, but the poor dear soul was terrified that the the unarmed teenager he was stalking might snatch his gun and shoot him (because that's what black teenagers do, obviously) so he shot and killed him first as a crime prevention measure.
 
2013-05-30 07:16:00 AM  

Bontesla: Zimmerman's idea of a fighting chance involves killing an unarmed teenager after stalking said teenager.


Well it's clear that you know nothing about the facts of this case.
 
2013-05-30 07:16:42 AM  

cman: Has anyone else noticed the blatant partisan bullshiat involved in this case?

If you are on the left you pretty much have convicted Zimmerman. If you are on the right you pretty much have see him as a superhero.

One would think that something like this would be immune.

Partisanship runs our lives and it is disgusting.


I don't really see this as a left-right issue. I see this more as a man-shooting-and-killing-an-unarmed-teenager. There's no question that he pulled the trigger - only whether or not he was acting criminally in doing so.
 
2013-05-30 07:16:57 AM  
FTFA:
Attorneys won't be able to mention the teen's drug use, suspension from school and past fighting during opening statements at the trial, Nelson ruled Tuesday.

OK, that's a serious WTF right there:  I can understand not being able to mention the drug use or the suspension as that's information that could bias a jury but it does't get to the heart of the controversy here, but if Martin had a pattern of getting into fights, that's something a jury definitely needs to know about in order to judge whether Zimmermann's actions were appropriate or not.
 
2013-05-30 07:17:07 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Well it's clear that you know nothing about the facts of this case.


That's a requirement if you want to post about it on Fark.
 
2013-05-30 07:17:12 AM  

cman: cman: Has anyone else noticed the blatant partisan bullshiat involved in this case?

If you are on the left you pretty much have convicted Zimmerman. If you are on the right you pretty much see him as a superhero.

One would think that something like this would be immune.

Partisanship runs our lives and it is disgusting.

My bad. Fixt


I guarantee you that if it had been a black man who stalked a white kid through a black neighborhood and shot him the whole thing would be seen in a different light.
 
2013-05-30 07:17:40 AM  

Magorn: doglover: MmmmBacon: unamused: That evidence was ruled inadmissible anyway.

But it was still evidence the Prosecution had, and failed to give to the Defense team. Even if it is inadmissible for now (the article states it can't be mentioned in opening statements), it could possibly be allowed later, if this is just a temporary stay, or by appeal to a higher court. Regardless, at the time the evidence was obtained from the cell-phone, it had not yet been ruled inadmissible. Therefore, the Prosecution has some  serious explaining to do about withholding it from the Defense team.

This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.

Almost like charging a man with Murder 2 with little or no legal ground except NBC doctored evidence in the news and it got people all uppity.

Well that, and the cooling, bullet-ridden corpse of the child he chased down and murdered,


A fist fight turns into attempted murder when one person uses the sidewalk as a weapon regardless of who started the altercation.
 
2013-05-30 07:17:47 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Bontesla: Zimmerman's idea of a fighting chance involves killing an unarmed teenager after stalking said teenager.

Well it's clear that you know nothing about the facts of this case.


"facts" according to the word of the killer?
 
2013-05-30 07:18:32 AM  
MmmmBacon:This is the sort of malfeasance that ruins careers.

But that's my second favorite feasance!

/ Got nothin
 
2013-05-30 07:18:38 AM  

Hobodeluxe: "facts" according to the word of the killer?


Facts according to the eyewitness and evidence.
 
2013-05-30 07:18:43 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Bontesla: Zimmerman's idea of a fighting chance involves killing an unarmed teenager after stalking said teenager.

Well it's clear that you know nothing about the facts of this case.


Lol says the troll.
 
2013-05-30 07:18:43 AM  
This whole thing is one big cluster f*ck
 
2013-05-30 07:19:06 AM  

Hobodeluxe: cman: cman: Has anyone else noticed the blatant partisan bullshiat involved in this case?

If you are on the left you pretty much have convicted Zimmerman. If you are on the right you pretty much see him as a superhero.

One would think that something like this would be immune.

Partisanship runs our lives and it is disgusting.

My bad. Fixt

I guarantee you that if it had been a black man who stalked a white kid through a black neighborhood and shot him the whole thing would be seen in a different light.


You are most likely correct in your assertion.

I am just saying that the partisan vibe really is driving me bonkers.
 
2013-05-30 07:19:07 AM  

orbister: Z pulled a gun on M, M tried to snatch it and so Z shot him?


According to the initial story, the boy was beating Zimmerman's ass and atop him, as we know. He saw Zimmerman was packing and went for the gun. So Zimmerman wrested his weapon away from the the boy, and shot him. Eyewitness accounts, trajectory, and injuries all support this case, as does the anecdotal evidence that Zimmerman is too dumb to lie.

This is a case of facts vs emotions.

If you think 17 is "just a kid" you should really ask Joan Heaton (39), along with her two daughters, Jennifer (10) and Melissa (8) what they feel about the issue. You might need a shovel, though. And a Ouija board.
 
2013-05-30 07:19:18 AM  

jaybeezey: A fist fight turns into attempted murder when one person uses the sidewalk as a weapon regardless of who started the altercation.


so you're saying Trayvon had no right to stand his ground and defend himself against a gun wielding assailant?
 
2013-05-30 07:20:56 AM  

jaybeezey: A fist fight turns into attempted murder when one person uses the sidewalk as a weapon regardless of who started the altercation.


Using the sidewalk as a weapon? What was he doing with it - picking it up and using it as a club?
 
2013-05-30 07:22:00 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Hobodeluxe: "facts" according to the word of the killer?

Facts according to the eyewitness and evidence.


Eye witnesses have a high degree of unreliability. Disregarding that fact entirely - do you know the number of eye witnesses that clearly saw TM on top of GM? None. They admit they couldn't see much.
 
2013-05-30 07:23:04 AM  

Hobodeluxe: this whole thing has stank to high heaven, from the cops first on the scene to the prosecutor swinging for the fence on the murder 2 charge to the judge not putting a gag order on Zimmerman's lawyer allowing him to take this "evidence" he couldn't use to Fox News to smear Trayvon with it. I think someone is throwing the game.


Throwing what game?  What are you talking about?  The initial investigation made it clear that they felt it was a justified shooting.  It wasnt until the media started their own ratings circus by manufacturing outrage that they suddenly decided to prosecute.

Does it really surprise you to find that the prosecution would be manipulating the case when in fact they were ordered to manufacture one in the first place?
 
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