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(Examiner)   When I was in elementary school, the worst thing they ever did was let me play Oregon Trail without telling my parents   (examiner.com) divider line 97
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2013-05-29 09:15:21 PM  
These were public schools? The entire administrative staff of every school should be fired, immediately. If the district office knew about it, they should be investigated by the feds.
 
2013-05-29 09:29:26 PM  
So what's the big deal? How was this data going to be used? Is it because the gubmint gots your data ? Are they gonna mark you with the mark of the beast?
 
2013-05-29 09:31:48 PM  
You have died of dysentery
 
2013-05-29 09:35:49 PM  

Big Red Al: You have died of dysentery moose bite



/Canadian version
 
2013-05-29 09:39:50 PM  

gopher321: Big Red Al: You have died of dysentery moose bite


/Canadian version


Moose bites Kan be pretty nasti....
 
2013-05-29 09:52:24 PM  

PapaChester: These were public schools? The entire administrative staff of every school should be fired, immediately. If the district office knew about it, they should be investigated by the feds.


Aww, bless your heart, you think that school staff & administration are actually answerable to parents.
 
2013-05-29 09:54:41 PM  

sithon: So what's the big deal? How was this data going to be used? Is it because the gubmint gots your data ? Are they gonna mark you with the mark of the beast?


There is always a too many of these.

"I dont understand what the problem is and I dont care, therefor no one should care."
 
2013-05-29 10:17:37 PM  
I am outraged that these children's privacy was invaded like this! Now if you'll excuse me, it's been a whole 10 minutes since I posted a photo of my child on Facebook. We've been posting pics of him since gestation and we'd hate for anyone to miss a second of his potty-training!
 
2013-05-29 11:54:01 PM  
This is what they did to help put Japanese-Americans in internment camps.

/gonna miss Bachmann
 
2013-05-30 01:55:57 AM  

WordyGrrl: I am outraged that these children's privacy was invaded like this! Now if you'll excuse me, it's been a whole 10 minutes since I posted a photo of my child on Facebook. We've been posting pics of him since gestation and we'd hate for anyone to miss a second of his potty-training!


Wait, you also need the cute little cutouts on the back of your SUV that give the names, ages, schools, hobbies, and sports teams of all your kids, and optionally the type and number of pets they have. Next to the sticker identifying what neighborhood you live in, where you work, your religion and church affiliation.
 
2013-05-30 02:33:53 AM  
I liked the part where I hunted buffalo, but crossing the river was always a pain.
 
2013-05-30 02:35:57 AM  
I liked Carmen San Diego better.
 
2013-05-30 02:38:02 AM  
I love how the article has an example photo of an eye. I've never seen one of those before!
 
2013-05-30 02:38:44 AM  
No love for Taipan, or Escape from Rungistan. For shame.
 
2013-05-30 02:39:31 AM  
Hope this doesn't mean they will cancel the first-grader's production of "Hair" next.
 
2013-05-30 02:42:49 AM  

PapaChester: These were public schools? The entire administrative staff of every school should be fired, immediately. If the district office knew about it, they should be investigated by the feds.


The ENTIRE admin staff?
 
2013-05-30 02:46:31 AM  

PapaChester: These were public schools? The entire administrative staff of every school should be fired, immediately. If the district office knew about it, they should be investigated by the feds.


Like a first year philosophy major, I ask why.
 
2013-05-30 02:55:31 AM  

hardinparamedic: PapaChester: These were public schools? The entire administrative staff of every school should be fired, immediately. If the district office knew about it, they should be investigated by the feds.

Like a first year philosophy major, I ask why.


Like a person with a PhD in philosophy, I ask why not.
 
2013-05-30 02:56:51 AM  

worlddan: Like a person with a PhD in philosophy, I ask why not.


And like Critias, I tell you to go drink hemlock, or exile you to Reddit.
 
2013-05-30 02:59:31 AM  

hardinparamedic: worlddan: Like a person with a PhD in philosophy, I ask why not.

And like Critias, I tell you to go drink hemlock,


And if you were my wife, I'd drink it.
 
2013-05-30 03:00:32 AM  

worlddan: And if you were my wife, I'd drink it.


Divorce is worth it, you know.
 
2013-05-30 03:00:55 AM  

hardinparamedic: PapaChester: These were public schools? The entire administrative staff of every school should be fired, immediately. If the district office knew about it, they should be investigated by the feds.

Like a first year philosophy major, I ask why.


people would argue because of the belmont report

/is it safe? -> does not matter because there is a perception that it could be harmful
//how many of those people have master's degrees and above?
///i don't even know of adults having their irises scanned
 
2013-05-30 03:05:54 AM  

haterade: people would argue because of the belmont report


Except that the Belmont Report has to do with human experimentation. This wasn't an experiment. Iris-scanning technology has been in the wild for decades for use in security. And this appears to be, FTFA, what happened here - the school system was developing a novel pilot identification program for students.

haterade: /is it safe? -> does not matter because there is a perception that it could be harmful


It's a camera. A digital camera. There is no laser system.

haterade: ///i don't even know of adults having their irises scanned


I know you don't know many people who work in high security areas, then.
 
2013-05-30 03:09:47 AM  

hardinparamedic: PapaChester: These were public schools? The entire administrative staff of every school should be fired, immediately. If the district office knew about it, they should be investigated by the feds.

Like a first year philosophy major, I ask why.


Just because and you know it, what? And why I know worse things happened to me at 6 but still.
Live through this
 
2013-05-30 03:18:48 AM  
That's pretty extreme. Iris scans?
Is this one of those "diverse" schools like in the movies, waiting for some middle-aged dude to show them their full potential while learning a thing or two from the students along the way? Because iris scanning would only be in the first 20 minutes to show how technology isn't the answer.
 
2013-05-30 03:20:09 AM  
I think the point is that schools should not take biometric identifying data of their students, or allow that data to be taken by a commercial third party, without the parents' permission.

Parents should be informed how the data will be used and stored and be given the opportunity to opt out.
 
2013-05-30 03:20:50 AM  
"Blah-blah GUBMENTS TRYING TO STEAL MY CHILDS SOUL! blah-blah!"
 
2013-05-30 03:21:47 AM  
I'm getting a lot of use out of this lately.

i306.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-30 03:22:56 AM  

hardinparamedic: haterade: people would argue because of the belmont report

Except that the Belmont Report has to do with human experimentation. This wasn't an experiment. Iris-scanning technology has been in the wild for decades for use in security. And this appears to be, FTFA, what happened here - the school system was developing a novel pilot identification program for students.

haterade: /is it safe? -> does not matter because there is a perception that it could be harmful

It's a camera. A digital camera. There is no laser system.

haterade: ///i don't even know of adults having their irises scanned

I know you don't know many people who work in high security areas, then.


I guess consent is among your considerations.  You are a tool for authority.
 
2013-05-30 03:23:12 AM  

Pert: I think the point is that schools should not take biometric identifying data of their students, or allow that data to be taken by a commercial third party, without the parents' permission.

Parents should be informed how the data will be used and stored and be given the opportunity to opt out.


Thank you, and really that is sorta a big deal,
 
2013-05-30 03:23:54 AM  
My school didn't even have functional microphones. How is this school investing in cameras that can capture iris patterns?
 
2013-05-30 03:29:03 AM  

panfake: My school didn't even have functional microphones. How is this school investing in cameras that can capture iris patterns?


Well if it was Texas it was probably the funds left over from building new football stadiums and sports uniforms. Not to worry, though, the students can double up on books until the next order in 2036.
 
2013-05-30 03:33:04 AM  

sithon: So what's the big deal? How was this data going to be used? Is it because the gubmint gots your data ? Are they gonna mark you with the mark of the beast?


Dear simpleton:

It's not that the data collected were pretty innocuous, or that "teh ebil gob'mint gots yer datas"; nor even that the kids' privacy was somehow invaded, because really it wasn't. It is how it was done, why it was done, and most importantly, the attitudes of yourself and the district about the outcome that is important.

The program was "a pilot scan program with a security program and the schools allowed officials from Stanley Convergent Security Solutions to take iris scans of an unknown number of students". A who the what now? A security program? Taking iris scans? Why? How? Is this something that needs doing, or is it something "Stanley Convergent Security Solutions" sold the district on as being necessary in this terrorist&pedophile ridden age and they bought it and paid for it? Because apparently, some of the parents had no idea this was even in the works--meaning the PARENTS weren't the ones who felt an iris scan was needed for their childrens' security.

The parents were supposed to be notified, and given the opportunity to opt out, however the notification letter being sent out after the scans were completed was a mistake, due to a secretary who had a medical emergency. Excuse me? ONE secretary had a medical emergency, and so an entire school's worth of letters couldn't be sent? Bureaucracy at it's finest here. Nobody else in the entire office could be trusted with mailing out the letters? Or could be bothered to check that the notifications were sent? What if this had been something more invasive than an iris scan, such as a retinal scan? Or a vaccination? The school is not supposed to be doing anything to the kids that the parents have not approved in advance, no matter how benign.

Finally, the principal at the school where this occurred said, according to a parent, "she was following instructions from the Polk County School Board (PCSB), and that she knew very little, if anything, about this before it occurred, she just did as she was told." Like you, apparently, this is no big deal, because the kids weren't hurt, the "data", whatever it is, has been destroyed (maybe) and all's right with the world. No biggie. Tra-la. And, I guess, that if she's ever told to take some kids out back and shoot them, she'll just do as she's told then, too, because it seems not to occur to her to ask any questions of the School Board.

As to your other question: How WAS this data going to be used? I've never heard of "iris scans" before, certainly not for anything useful, since there are better ways to identify a live child, and more expedient ways to identify a dead child, given that the eyes are usually the first things to go in a body (birds love them); and particularly since, again, it doesn't seem to be something the PARENTS were clamoring for. Why does anyone need a lot of pictures of kids eyeballs anyway? Unless you're a perv who likes kiddie eyes, I guess.
 
2013-05-30 03:40:31 AM  
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-05-30 03:41:33 AM  

Gyrfalcon: "she was following instructions from the Polk County School Board (PCSB), and that she knew very little, if anything, about this before it occurred, she just did as she was told." Like you, apparently, this is no big deal, because the kids weren't hurt, the "data", whatever it is, has been destroyed (maybe) and all's right with the world.


Has Stanley Milgram taught us nothing?
 
2013-05-30 03:47:29 AM  

Gyrfalcon: sithon: So what's the big deal? How was this data going to be used? Is it because the gubmint gots your data ? Are they gonna mark you with the mark of the beast?

Dear simpleton:

It's not that the data collected were pretty innocuous, or that "teh ebil gob'mint gots yer datas"; nor even that the kids' privacy was somehow invaded, because really it wasn't. It is how it was done, why it was done, and most importantly, the attitudes of yourself and the district about the outcome that is important.

The program was "a pilot scan program with a security program and the schools allowed officials from Stanley Convergent Security Solutions to take iris scans of an unknown number of students". A who the what now? A security program? Taking iris scans? Why? How? Is this something that needs doing, or is it something "Stanley Convergent Security Solutions" sold the district on as being necessary in this terrorist&pedophile ridden age and they bought it and paid for it? Because apparently, some of the parents had no idea this was even in the works--meaning the PARENTS weren't the ones who felt an iris scan was needed for their childrens' security.

The parents were supposed to be notified, and given the opportunity to opt out, however the notification letter being sent out after the scans were completed was a mistake, due to a secretary who had a medical emergency. Excuse me? ONE secretary had a medical emergency, and so an entire school's worth of letters couldn't be sent? Bureaucracy at it's finest here. Nobody else in the entire office could be trusted with mailing out the letters? Or could be bothered to check that the notifications were sent? What if this had been something more invasive than an iris scan, such as a retinal scan? Or a vaccination? The school is not supposed to be doing anything to the kids that the parents have not approved in advance, no matter how benign.

Finally, the principal at the school where this occurred said, according to a parent, "she was f ...


They did sorta the same thing with fingerprints in my day but really all I can think of for a reason is that damn Tom Cruise movie.
 
2013-05-30 03:48:33 AM  

worlddan: hardinparamedic: PapaChester: These were public schools? The entire administrative staff of every school should be fired, immediately. If the district office knew about it, they should be investigated by the feds.

Like a first year philosophy major, I ask why.

Like a person with a PhD in philosophy, I ask why not.


Like a business and pre-law major, I ask who profits and can I get a cut of the action?
 
2013-05-30 04:21:13 AM  

almandot: I liked Carmen San Diego better.


Lemonade Tycoon, Commodore 64.
 
2013-05-30 04:24:09 AM  

hardinparamedic: I know you don't know many people who work in high security areas, then.


I had no idea elementary schools were high security areas. Who woulda thunk it?
 
2013-05-30 04:27:27 AM  

Frederick: Gyrfalcon: "she was following instructions from the Polk County School Board (PCSB), and that she knew very little, if anything, about this before it occurred, she just did as she was told." Like you, apparently, this is no big deal, because the kids weren't hurt, the "data", whatever it is, has been destroyed (maybe) and all's right with the world.

Has Stanley Milgram taught us nothing?


People don't learn. It requires thinking. Thinking is scary. It's much better just to get back in line and let others do the thinking for you.
 
2013-05-30 04:36:46 AM  
www.foodservicedirect.com
I bought these today at the 99 Cent Only store -- haven't tried them yet.

/ the dysentery thing weighs heavy
 
2013-05-30 04:52:00 AM  

Ed Grubermann: hardinparamedic: I know you don't know many people who work in high security areas, then.

I had no idea elementary schools were high security areas. Who woulda thunk it?


Yea, well...I read the news today it's sad really but yea, things are seeming to get crazier.
/Also there seems to be reason to the madness
 
2013-05-30 04:54:30 AM  
It's a brave new world, with brave new churls.
 
2013-05-30 05:23:25 AM  
A part of Stanley Black & Decker (NYSE: SWK),Stanley Convergent Security Solutions, Inc. is the second largest electronic security company based on total revenue and one of the largest system integrators in the United States.

They're looking at schools as a new market.  They offered this school district a free pilot project, hoping for a "success story" to sell to other schools.  The application is federal money; verifying that kids are actually in the school is necessary to get your daily fed bread.  Kids miss daily roll call, and are marked "absent" even though they aren't.

Obviously, this system can't ensure that kids don't sneak off campus.  Keeping strangers out is strictly a side effect, but it's a selling point for parents.

Why iris recognition?  Well, in many schools parents have resisted RFID tags and fingerprint biometrics.  Time to try a method that doesn't involve "tracking" kids or a telltale that they might leave at the scene of a crime. (Yes, we all know parents don't understand RFID and fingerprint biometrics.)

Also, I bet they were hoping the "cool" factor would gain the students' cooperation.

Apparently, the school board simply told the principal, "Just cooperate with SCSS."  The principal didn't see the big deal because they never showed him/her the big picture. So it was allowed to slip through the cracks unnoticed.
 
2013-05-30 05:31:05 AM  

Ed Grubermann: hardinparamedic: I know you don't know many people who work in high security areas, then.

I had no idea elementary schools were high security areas. Who woulda thunk it?


They are now.  Schools need armed guards and teachers with CCW licenses.
 
2013-05-30 05:32:36 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Schools need armed guards and teachers with CCW licenses.


www.catholicmannight.com
 
2013-05-30 05:34:42 AM  

hardinparamedic: BarkingUnicorn: Schools need armed guards and teachers with CCW licenses.

[www.catholicmannight.com image 500x281]


You need a sarcasm meter.
 
2013-05-30 05:37:25 AM  
For good or ill, I wonder if the outrage would be less had the school just skipped the letters all together.  Telling the parents, "oh yeah you should have been able to opt out of this" just adds an image of incompetence on top of the scan outrage.
 
2013-05-30 05:45:59 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: A part of Stanley Black & Decker (NYSE: SWK),Stanley Convergent Security Solutions, Inc. is the second largest electronic security company based on total revenue and one of the largest system integrators in the United States.

They're looking at schools as a new market.  They offered this school district a free pilot project, hoping for a "success story" to sell to other schools.  The application is federal money; verifying that kids are actually in the school is necessary to get your daily fed bread.  Kids miss daily roll call, and are marked "absent" even though they aren't.

Obviously, this system can't ensure that kids don't sneak off campus.  Keeping strangers out is strictly a side effect, but it's a selling point for parents.

Why iris recognition?  Well, in many schools parents have resisted RFID tags and fingerprint biometrics.  Time to try a method that doesn't involve "tracking" kids or a telltale that they might leave at the scene of a crime. (Yes, we all know parents don't understand RFID and fingerprint biometrics.)

Also, I bet they were hoping the "cool" factor would gain the students' cooperation.

Apparently, the school board simply told the principal, "Just cooperate with SCSS."  The principal didn't see the big deal because they never showed him/her the big picture. So it was allowed to slip through the cracks unnoticed.


Rationally, I can understand and foresee privacy will eventually be considered antiquated.  Social media is popular and accepted.  CCTV cameras are everywhere.  Employers (mine included) collect bioscan information as this school did.

None the less, I feel obligated to oppose the effort.  It feels too much like assimilating to the Borg.  For me, the value of privacy is deeply ingrained.

/you didnt say how you feel about the collection...?
 
2013-05-30 05:46:16 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: A part of Stanley Black & Decker (NYSE: SWK),Stanley Convergent Security Solutions, Inc. is the second largest electronic security company based on total revenue and one of the largest system integrators in the United States.

They're looking at schools as a new market.  They offered this school district a free pilot project, hoping for a "success story" to sell to other schools.  The application is federal money; verifying that kids are actually in the school is necessary to get your daily fed bread.  Kids miss daily roll call, and are marked "absent" even though they aren't.

Obviously, this system can't ensure that kids don't sneak off campus.  Keeping strangers out is strictly a side effect, but it's a selling point for parents.

Why iris recognition?  Well, in many schools parents have resisted RFID tags and fingerprint biometrics.  Time to try a method that doesn't involve "tracking" kids or a telltale that they might leave at the scene of a crime. (Yes, we all know parents don't understand RFID and fingerprint biometrics.)

Also, I bet they were hoping the "cool" factor would gain the students' cooperation.

Apparently, the school board simply told the principal, "Just cooperate with SCSS."  The principal didn't see the big deal because they never showed him/her the big picture. So it was allowed to slip through the cracks unnoticed.


Wow, IDRTFA but I figured as much I'm wondering if that company is working on eye facial recolonization through the little cams people have as well on there computers.
/Brave new world sounded like more fun
 
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