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2013-05-29 11:52:29 PM  
kill him now
period
no need for a trial

clear and present danger
 
2013-05-30 12:05:31 AM  
There's no way I'm getting on "It's a Small World" without a reliable suicide tool in case the boat breaks down but the soundtrack doesn't.
 
2013-05-30 12:06:53 AM  
Lista told authorities he didn't know Disney patrons weren't allowed to bring guns.


www.scvhistory.com

"Now THAT, Bart, is pure, unadulterated bullshiat."
 
2013-05-30 12:10:04 AM  
so he gets his permit revoked, i hope?
 
2013-05-30 12:35:21 AM  

SpikeStrip: so he gets his permit revoked, i hope?


Unlikely.  Not sure which state he's from but with most of them now being shall issue you need a criminal conviction of some sort to keep you from getting a permit.  And accidentally losing a gun from your holster probably won't qualify as a criminal offence.  Police do it pretty frequently in bathrooms, although by "frequently" I mean maybe 20 times a year that we see on the news.

namatad: kill him now
period
no need for a trial

clear and present danger


Sounds a bit extreme to me.  There are probably 39 things more dangerous to children than a random CCWer losing a pistol.  Hell, you'd have a hard time showing a single death from a CCWer losing a pistol.  Even cops that lose their guns probably have 0 deaths to account for.

It would actually be more rational for you to call for the death of anybody with 4 points on their drivers license.  People that suck at driving kill about 300,000 a year in the US.  Accidental gun deaths have been floating around 100 per year for decades.
 
2013-05-30 12:42:30 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: There's no way I'm getting on "It's a Small World" without a reliable suicide tool in case the boat breaks down but the soundtrack doesn't.


True story.  I had this happen to me.  We had to walk out the entire rest of the way while the song was playing on endless loop.


//  I think I'll use this as my insanity defense if I ever need one.
 
2013-05-30 12:43:18 AM  
Not really.

It's actually ingenious. Healthy Teen Liver EQUALS MOOOOONAY.
 
2013-05-30 12:43:44 AM  

remus: Mr. Coffee Nerves: There's no way I'm getting on "It's a Small World" without a reliable suicide tool in case the boat breaks down but the soundtrack doesn't.

True story.  I had this happen to me.  We had to walk out the entire rest of the way while the song was playing on endless loop.


//  I think I'll use this as my insanity defense if I ever need one.


It wasn't the small world, it was one of the other ones, but the effect was the same.  We were stuck 45 minutes and then had to walk out.
 
2013-05-30 12:50:16 AM  
jbuist:And accidentally losing a gun from your holster probably won't qualify as a criminal offence.  Police do it pretty frequently in bathrooms, although by "frequently" I mean maybe 20 times a year that we see on the news.

i can see a cop getting a pass, but not a civilian for this kind of irresponsibility. wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of reckless endangerment charge.
 
2013-05-30 12:53:27 AM  

SpikeStrip: jbuist:And accidentally losing a gun from your holster probably won't qualify as a criminal offence.  Police do it pretty frequently in bathrooms, although by "frequently" I mean maybe 20 times a year that we see on the news.

i can see a cop getting a pass, but not a civilian for this kind of irresponsibility. wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of reckless endangerment charge.


If it had been a cop, the punishment should be at least double.  They should be held to a higher standard, not a lesser one.
 
2013-05-30 12:58:47 AM  

jbuist: Police do it pretty frequently in bathrooms, although by "frequently" I mean maybe 20 times a year that we see on the news.


On the other hand, that is how large city departments fill positions in the evidence room and the night greeting desks.
 
2013-05-30 01:07:23 AM  

remus: Mr. Coffee Nerves: There's no way I'm getting on "It's a Small World" without a reliable suicide tool in case the boat breaks down but the soundtrack doesn't.

True story.  I had this happen to me.  We had to walk out the entire rest of the way while the song was playing on endless loop.


//  I think I'll use this as my insanity defense if I ever need one.


That happened to me, too

/it's a small worl... NOOOoooooooooooooo
 
2013-05-30 01:09:31 AM  

jbuist: Sounds a bit extreme to me.  There are probably 39 things more dangerous to children than a random CCWer losing a pistol.  Hell, you'd have a hard time showing a single death from a CCWer losing a pistol.  Even cops that lose their guns probably have 0 deaths to account for.

It would actually be more rational for you to call for the death of anybody with 4 points on their drivers license.  People that suck at driving kill about 300,000 a year in the US.  Accidental gun deaths have been floating around 100 per year for decades.


all true
but we can never be too safe
esp since this tard and tards like this are giving guns and gun owners a bad name
 
2013-05-30 01:18:17 AM  

jbuist: People that suck at driving kill about 300,000 a year in the US.  Accidental gun deaths have been floating around 100 per year for decades


yes car crashes kill way too many people a year
300,000 car deaths a year? ROFL
try 30,000 or so

100 accidental gun deaths a year? ROFL
try more like 1,000

still, even with your crappy numbers, lots more people die each year by car than accidental gun deaths.
but once again
you have lied with bad numbers
30,000 car deaths a year should be compared to total gun deaths, not just accidental
unless you are only going to count people who are accidentally killed by their car, say it falls on them while changing oil
 
2013-05-30 01:19:36 AM  
 
2013-05-30 01:21:47 AM  

namatad: still, even with your crappy numbers, lots more people die each year by car than accidental gun deaths.
but once again
you have lied with bad numbers
30,000 car deaths a year should be compared to total gun deaths, not just accidental
unless you are only going to count people who are accidentally killed by their car, say it falls on them while changing oil


Even then, cars are in mass-place, common use, far more than guns.  It's at best a disingenuous comparison.
 
2013-05-30 01:27:30 AM  

Apos: Lista told authorities he didn't know Disney patrons weren't allowed to bring guns.


[www.scvhistory.com image 599x408]

"Now THAT, Bart, is pure, unadulterated bullshiat."


That picture needs to become a meme

/so many possibilities
 
2013-05-30 01:39:20 AM  

hardinparamedic: Even then, cars are in mass-place, common use, far more than guns.  It's at best a disingenuous comparison.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_vehicles_in_the_United_States
250 million cars or so

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/19/how-many-people-own-guns- in -america-and-is-gun-ownership-actually-declining/
270 million guns or so

so about the same number of guns and cars

about twice as many people own a car
40-50% own a gun
80-90% own a car
 
2013-05-30 01:43:22 AM  

namatad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_vehicles_in_the_United_States
250 million cars or so

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/19/how-many-people-own-guns- in -america-and-is-gun-ownership-actually-declining/
270 million guns or so

so about the same number of guns and cars

about twice as many people own a car
40-50% own a gun
80-90% own a car


How much time is spent operating a gun versus operating  car?
 
2013-05-30 01:46:33 AM  

hardinparamedic: namatad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_vehicles_in_the_United_States
250 million cars or so

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/19/how-many-people-own-guns- in -america-and-is-gun-ownership-actually-declining/
270 million guns or so

so about the same number of guns and cars

about twice as many people own a car
40-50% own a gun
80-90% own a car

How much time is spent operating a gun versus operating  car?


passenger miles per year
versus ....
what percentage of gun owners keep a gun with them 24 hours a day?
 
2013-05-30 02:04:26 AM  
Who the hell would carry a gun at Disney's Animal Kingdom anyhow? The crime rate is zero except for maybe an occasional shoplifter. Is this guy really scared of the dinosaurs? Maybe someone should tell him they're not real.
 
2013-05-30 02:09:09 AM  
What kind of pussy is afraid of getting mugged at Disney World?
 
2013-05-30 02:21:28 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Who the hell would carry a gun at Disney's Animal Kingdom anyhow? The crime rate is zero except for maybe an occasional shoplifter. Is this guy really scared of the dinosaurs? Maybe someone should tell him they're not real.


Understand CCW.  It's not that he was necessarily concerned about Disney itself, it's the rest of the day.  He gets up early and leaves, perhaps stops someplace with the family on the way to Disney.  Then they go to the park.  If he leaves the gun in the car, it might be stolen.  He's used to carrying daily, so he thinks nothing of it.  He doesn't see the sign, so he walks right in after going thru the huge parking lot.  Fast forward to the end of the day (assuming he doesn't do something stupid like this guy did).  It's now dark and he and the family have to go back across the huge parking lot and find their car.  Then they have to go home, perhaps stopping for gas at some place.  Maybe another stop for a late snack at some place.  Finally, they get home and have to go back into their house after dark.

They may be safe as houses at Disney itself, but if he can't have a gun at Disney, then he isn't protected the entire rest of the day (unless he leaves it in the car which, again, risks it being stolen).  So, going to breakfast, crossing the parking lot, returning to his car in the dark parking lot, stopping for gas, stopping for a late snack, and finally going back into his dark house and trusting nobody has broken in and is waiting.  The entire rest of his day he is deprived of his CCW if he adheres to Disney policy.  Everywhere else he goes the rest of the day does NOT have a crime rate near zero.  If he feels the rest of his day has places where crime is higher, then he has a legitimate reason to want to have his CCW.
 
2013-05-30 02:28:23 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Who the hell would carry a gun at Disney's Animal Kingdom anyhow? The crime rate is zero except for maybe an occasional shoplifter. Is this guy really scared of the dinosaurs? Maybe someone should tell him they're not real.


The Tiger's are real though.  Maybe he thought he'd need to protect the tram ride from poachers.
 
2013-05-30 02:31:18 AM  
I should add, I have been to a number of theme parks and have never taken a CCW with me.  I didn't think it was a good idea for the simple reason of the huge jostling crowds, the getting in and out of rides, etc.  I only point out that it is simplistic to say he has no reason to CCW for the day.  He may not have reason to fear mugging at the Disney park itself, but the entire rest of his day may have legitimate places where he could be concerned.

Another issue is females.  They aren't strong enough to fight muggers, rapists, etc.  I can see where a lady would want her CCW in her purse for that dark parking lot at the end of the day when trying to find her car. That's very legitimate.
 
2013-05-30 02:47:32 AM  
Lista told authorities he didn't know Disney World patrons weren't allowed to bring guns.

This is exactly the kind of genius I want carrying a gun.
 
2013-05-30 02:52:40 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Lista told authorities he didn't know Disney World patrons weren't allowed to bring guns.

This is exactly the kind of genius I want carrying a gun.


I'm pretty sure that there was a nice, visible sign denoting that fact in the entrance to the park as well.
 
2013-05-30 02:56:39 AM  

Sgt Otter: What kind of pussy is afraid of getting mugged at Disney World?


This

and I was wondering WHERE men keep their sekrit guns. Turns out these guys are farking nuts:  http://www.usacarry.com/10-things-not-to-do-carrying-concealed/
 
2013-05-30 04:48:18 AM  

remus: CruiserTwelve: Who the hell would carry a gun at Disney's Animal Kingdom anyhow? The crime rate is zero except for maybe an occasional shoplifter. Is this guy really scared of the dinosaurs? Maybe someone should tell him they're not real.

Understand CCW.  It's not that he was necessarily concerned about Disney itself, it's the rest of the day.  He gets up early and leaves, perhaps stops someplace with the family on the way to Disney.  Then they go to the park.  If he leaves the gun in the car, it might be stolen.  He's used to carrying daily, so he thinks nothing of it.  He doesn't see the sign, so he walks right in after going thru the huge parking lot.  Fast forward to the end of the day (assuming he doesn't do something stupid like this guy did).  It's now dark and he and the family have to go back across the huge parking lot and find their car.  Then they have to go home, perhaps stopping for gas at some place.  Maybe another stop for a late snack at some place.  Finally, they get home and have to go back into their house after dark.

They may be safe as houses at Disney itself, but if he can't have a gun at Disney, then he isn't protected the entire rest of the day (unless he leaves it in the car which, again, risks it being stolen).  So, going to breakfast, crossing the parking lot, returning to his car in the dark parking lot, stopping for gas, stopping for a late snack, and finally going back into his dark house and trusting nobody has broken in and is waiting.  The entire rest of his day he is deprived of his CCW if he adheres to Disney policy.  Everywhere else he goes the rest of the day does NOT have a crime rate near zero.  If he feels the rest of his day has places where crime is higher, then he has a legitimate reason to want to have his CCW.


Yeah, such a dangerous world when you're batshiat paranoid. But you know who doesn't need guns? Batman. Batman can fight hordes of thugs sans gun.

What's that you say? Batman isn't real? And neither are the perceived threats that would lead one to carry a concealed weapon.
 
2013-05-30 05:11:04 AM  

MayoSlather: And neither are the perceived threats that would lead one to carry a concealed weapon.


I disagree. But then again, I live and work in one of the most violent areas of the United States.

Well, to be fair, I also don't go around waving my .380 epeen in people's faces and advertising I have a gun when I do, either.
 
2013-05-30 05:41:37 AM  
Well, I didn't rtfa,

but I do now have "it's a small world" stuck in my head

coming in here was a terrible decision.
 
2013-05-30 05:42:19 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Well, I didn't rtfa,

but I do now have "it's a small world" stuck in my head

coming in here was a terrible decision.


Come with me! We'll ethnically cleanse it!
 
2013-05-30 05:45:16 AM  

hardinparamedic: namatad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_vehicles_in_the_United_States
250 million cars or so

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/19/how-many-people-own-guns- in -america-and-is-gun-ownership-actually-declining/
270 million guns or so

so about the same number of guns and cars

about twice as many people own a car
40-50% own a gun
80-90% own a car

How much time is spent operating a gun versus operating  car?


Heh...my commute time IS my range time..."let me merge! no? BLAM"

/seriously, this is why I don't carry a gun while driving in Boston
//I'd have to reload every three blocks
 
2013-05-30 05:50:43 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Who the hell would carry a gun at Disney's Animal Kingdom anyhow? The crime rate is zero except for maybe an occasional shoplifter. Is this guy really scared of the dinosaurs? Maybe someone should tell him they're not real.


THIS.  I was kind of wondering if he really expected to have to defend himself against shiat going down at Disney... stand yer ground, motherfarker.
 
2013-05-30 05:59:08 AM  

Sgt Otter: What kind of pussy is afraid of getting mugged at Disney World?


The kind that walks around armed outside an active combat zone.
 
2013-05-30 06:01:04 AM  

hardinparamedic: namatad: still, even with your crappy numbers, lots more people die each year by car than accidental gun deaths.
but once again
you have lied with bad numbers
30,000 car deaths a year should be compared to total gun deaths, not just accidental
unless you are only going to count people who are accidentally killed by their car, say it falls on them while changing oil

Even then, cars are in mass-place, common use, far more than guns.  It's at best a disingenuous comparison.


Vending machines kill about 20 people per year. fark if I know how.

/came from a meme on Pinterest w/a source listed
 
2013-05-30 06:01:09 AM  
Last time I was at a Disney park they had lockers at the entrance. Don't leave it in the car, but still have it handy for the tram ride back to the parking lot. No need to bring a gun into the happiest place on earth.
 
2013-05-30 06:01:30 AM  

hardinparamedic: Lionel Mandrake: Lista told authorities he didn't know Disney World patrons weren't allowed to bring guns.

This is exactly the kind of genius I want carrying a gun.

I'm pretty sure that there was a nice, visible sign denoting that fact in the entrance to the park as well.


Probably not.  In many cases it's contained in the park guide, on the park policies page, that is tri-folded to hell so it fits in the back pocket of some fat; sweaty tourists pocket.  Or it's on a sign, in the Guest Services booth/ building at the front of the park- which is a place you'll never go to unless you have a horrible Disney experience.

It's still no excuse for what the guy did.  But I can understand how somebody could end up carrying CCW into a place like Disney.
 
2013-05-30 06:05:18 AM  

hardinparamedic: Lionel Mandrake: Lista told authorities he didn't know Disney World patrons weren't allowed to bring guns.

This is exactly the kind of genius I want carrying a gun.

I'm pretty sure that there was a nice, visible sign denoting that fact in the entrance to the park as well.




It proved to be as effective at keeping guns out of the place as signs ever have.
 
2013-05-30 06:05:22 AM  

mike_d85: Vending machines kill about 20 people per year. fark if I know how.
/came from a meme on Pinterest w/a source listed


Ever see the pictogram  - that depicts a stick person rocking the machine to get something out - inside a red circle with a line across it?
Now you know how.

/No fark necessary.
 
2013-05-30 06:05:39 AM  

Sgt Otter: What kind of pussy is afraid of getting mugged at Disney World?

 
No doubt. If you really feel insecure without packing heat at the Magic Kingdom, perhaps it's time to seek professional help.

"But all those cartoon characters walking around made me feel threatened, officer!"
 
2013-05-30 06:06:05 AM  
Dang it, I just remembered the plot of 3 ninjas III: terrorists at an amusement park.
Hulk Hogan (seriously, he's in it) could have stopped Earnest (yep) from holding a whole amusement park hostage if He'd been packing.
 
2013-05-30 06:06:46 AM  

hardinparamedic: Even then, cars are in mass-place, common use, far more than guns.  It's at best a disingenuous comparison.


"According to thehttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=US_Bureau_of_Transportati on_ Statistics&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="US Bureau of Transportation Statistics (page does not exist)" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(165, 88, 88); background-image: none; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">US Bureau of Transportation Statistics for 2009 there are 254,212,610 registered passenger vehicles. "

CNN states that Federal Figures estimate nonmilitary firearms in the United States at approximately 310 million.

So, one could easily argue that as there are more guns than cars, that guns are in fact more common than cars.  The death figure per gun is also lower than the death figure per car, as well.
 
2013-05-30 06:06:56 AM  
Another responsible gun owner.
 
2013-05-30 06:08:25 AM  
People hold on to their cell phones like they are holding their life saving on rides, but this guy didn't think to hold on to his farking gun.
 
2013-05-30 06:09:30 AM  

jbuist: SpikeStrip: so he gets his permit revoked, i hope?

Unlikely.  Not sure which state he's from but with most of them now being shall issue you need a criminal conviction of some sort to keep you from getting a permit.  And accidentally losing a gun from your holster probably won't qualify as a criminal offence.  Police do it pretty frequently in bathrooms, although by "frequently" I mean maybe 20 times a year that we see on the news.

namatad: kill him now
period
no need for a trial

clear and present danger

Sounds a bit extreme to me.  There are probably 39 things more dangerous to children than a random CCWer losing a pistol.  Hell, you'd have a hard time showing a single death from a CCWer losing a pistol.  Even cops that lose their guns probably have 0 deaths to account for.

It would actually be more rational for you to call for the death of anybody with 4 points on their drivers license.  People that suck at driving kill about 300,000 a year in the US.  Accidental gun deaths have been floating around 100 per year for decades.




Wrong.. I'll have to check Florida, but almost every CCW state has statutes against carrying your gun into "public gatherings" and events. you CAN'T bring your CCW to a football game, and you can't bring it to Disney world. They WILL press charges, the CCW holder will then have to go in front of a judge and/or review board, and explain why he feels he shouldn't lose his permit. the judge will call him a dangerous irresponsible moron, and revoke the license guaranteed.

Thats how it works in the real world.
 
2013-05-30 06:10:20 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: mike_d85: Vending machines kill about 20 people per year. fark if I know how.
/came from a meme on Pinterest w/a source listed

Ever see the pictogram  - that depicts a stick person rocking the machine to get something out - inside a red circle with a line across it?
Now you know how.

/No fark necessary.


Mamed, sure, but death? The weight of the person who is... er, "crushable" and the weight of the person who can tip it over seem inconsistent.
 
2013-05-30 06:11:39 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: People hold on to their cell phones like they are holding their life saving on rides, but this guy didn't think to hold on to his farking gun.


To be fair, some people never let go of the cell phone, and will even message others while on rides.  Holding on to your firearm like that tends to cause a scene.
 
2013-05-30 06:12:41 AM  
way south: It proved to be as effective at keeping guns out of the place as signs ever have.I'm trying to make a witty comment about how signs don't keep people from murdering others, but in reality I'm making a statement that even though I can get a CCW Permit, set through a class which clearly illustrates the laws of my state, I'm willing to violate those laws because I want to, and I have shiat-all respect for property rights.

There. Fixed that for you. I understand how you made that mistake.
 
2013-05-30 06:16:35 AM  

Alonjar: Wrong.. I'll have to check Florida, but almost every CCW state has statutes against carrying your gun into "public gatherings" and events.


That may or may not be true, but this <b>is</b> Florida we're talking about here.  The states I've looked at didn't have statutes like that, though some of the southern ones do ban firearms in church.

It looks like the Florida list is:

- Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05 (prostitution, gambling, etc.)

- any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;

- any detention facility, prison, or jail;

- any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from
carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her
courtroom;

- any polling place;

- any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special
district;

- any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;

- any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;

- any school administration building;

- any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the
premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;

- any elementary or secondary school facility;

- any area vocational-technical center;

- any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty
member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or non-lethal electric weapon or
device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be
prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment
for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or

- any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law

It doesn't seem to say anything about public gatherings or amusement parks.
 
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