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2013-05-29 08:09:34 PM  
Assemblyman Steve Katz, a Westchester County Republican ticketed for marijuana possession earlier this year, voted Wednesday to decriminalize small amounts of pot.

Typical when it affects them, then it is time for a change.
 
2013-05-29 08:10:06 PM  
They'll stone ya when you're trying to take a vote....
 
2013-05-29 08:12:58 PM  
The Prison-Industrial Complex will never let this happen.
 
2013-05-29 08:13:41 PM  
This is how it's going to happen, folks. It may never be "legal" to possess marijuana...but sooner or later, nobody's going to care enough to enforce the law.
 
2013-05-29 08:15:25 PM  
If this were to pass, suddenly there will be a massive increase of cocaine possession by all the black kids in New York, instead of just marijuana possession.

/But no defense lawyer ever demands a check of the planted drug baggie for fingerprints of the perp. But lots of officers prints though.

//So this guy got his car stolen, then finds it, calls cops, the one that shows up then ran his fingerprints all over the inside and dash when the guy asked for a fingerprint check. The officers response was "what fingerprints?".
 
2013-05-29 08:18:34 PM  

Gyrfalcon: It may never be "legal" to possess marijuana.


Speak for yourself. Currenlty I could walk down the street with a baggie pinned to my lapel and no one can do jack shiat about it.
 
2013-05-29 08:24:19 PM  

spongeboob: Assemblyman Steve Katz, a Westchester County Republican ticketed for marijuana possession earlier this year, voted Wednesday to decriminalize small amounts of pot.

Typical when it affects them, then it is time for a change.


I welcome his support nonetheless.

It really is a scumbag move by the cops to force people to empty their pockets, and then charge them with a misdemeanor for "open possession of marijuana" since it's now in view of the public. The cops PUT it in view of the public. Should just be a violation.
 
2013-05-29 08:27:50 PM  

Ishkur: The Prison-Industrial Complex will never let this happen.


or Big Pharma

or the timber industry
 
2013-05-29 08:29:59 PM  
I had that 45 back in '66 and could never figure out the title. Nice headline reference!
 
2013-05-29 08:35:03 PM  
only a matter of time

bwa ha ha ha
 
2013-05-29 08:38:59 PM  

Witty_Retort: Ishkur: The Prison-Industrial Complex will never let this happen.

or Big Pharma

or the timber industry


Actually, if they could cross cannabis with a Douglas Fir that would totally be the shiat.
 
2013-05-29 08:50:44 PM  

Witty_Retort: or Big Pharma


Big Pharma wouldn't have to worry about it. Decriminalizing marijuana would make research into synthetic cannabanoids that are more targeted and effective than regular old THC without having to jump through DEA hoops, as well as meaning that with FDA approval, they could sell the stuff for far more than marijuana can go for.
 
2013-05-29 08:51:59 PM  
What happens if you get caught with personal amounts of MJ in NY? Here in CA it's effectively ignored, under an oz, at worse, you'll get a $100 ticket for possession.
 
2013-05-29 09:05:11 PM  

Cuchulane: I had that 45 back in '66 and could never figure out the title. Nice headline reference!


Subby may be confusing Steve Katz with Al Kooper. While Kooper recorded with Bob Dylan and Katz recorded with Kooper, Katz never recorded with Dylan.

// yeah, it can be tough to tell those Jewish musicians apart.
 
2013-05-29 09:05:24 PM  

jack21221: spongeboob: Assemblyman Steve Katz, a Westchester County Republican ticketed for marijuana possession earlier this year, voted Wednesday to decriminalize small amounts of pot.

Typical when it affects them, then it is time for a change.

I welcome his support nonetheless.

It really is a scumbag move by the cops to force people to empty their pockets, and then charge them with a misdemeanor for "open possession of marijuana" since it's now in view of the public. The cops PUT it in view of the public. Should just be a violation.


The cop was like, "Mr. White, you are being charged with drunk in public-KA!" I was like, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey! I was drunk in a bar! They, threw me into public-KA! I don't want to be drunk in public-KA! I wanna be drunk in a bar, which is perfectly legal! Arrest them!
 
2013-05-29 09:08:15 PM  

HairBolus: Cuchulane: I had that 45 back in '66 and could never figure out the title. Nice headline reference!

Subby may be confusing Steve Katz with Al Kooper. While Kooper recorded with Bob Dylan and Katz recorded with Kooper, Katz never recorded with Dylan.

// yeah, it can be tough to tell those Jewish musicians apart.


I did a quick Google hoping it was the same Steve Katz that produced this somewhat forgotten chestnut,


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

but i was crestfallen to find it not to be the same Steve Katz.
 
2013-05-29 09:10:16 PM  
He was caught with an eighth. This change in law wouldn't have saved his ass.

We need more Republicans to get on the correct side of this issue, so good job, Mr. Katz.

/went by 14 dispensaries in Denver the other day. World hasn't ended; Sky Wizard's wrath yet to come
 
2013-05-29 09:12:23 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: He was caught with an eighth. This change in law wouldn't have saved his ass.

We need more Republicans to get on the correct side of this issue, so good job, Mr. Katz.

/went by 14 dispensaries in Denver the other day. World hasn't ended; Sky Wizard's wrath yet to come


At least until the DEA unleashes Operation Scorched Earth and destroys all marijuana within the contiguous US borders.
 
2013-05-29 09:15:57 PM  

whidbey: Gyrfalcon: It may never be "legal" to possess marijuana.

Speak for yourself. Currenlty I could walk down the street with a baggie pinned to my lapel and no one can do jack shiat about it.


Well, sure.

It's what's IN the baggie that would matter. ;)
 
2013-05-29 09:17:38 PM  

HairBolus: Cuchulane: I had that 45 back in '66 and could never figure out the title. Nice headline reference!

Subby may be confusing Steve Katz with Al Kooper. While Kooper recorded with Bob Dylan and Katz recorded with Kooper, Katz never recorded with Dylan.

// yeah, it can be tough to tell those Jewish musicians apart.


I think the reference was to the refrain in the song.
 
2013-05-29 09:19:11 PM  

Gyrfalcon: whidbey: Gyrfalcon: It may never be "legal" to possess marijuana.

Speak for yourself. Currenlty I could walk down the street with a baggie pinned to my lapel and no one can do jack shiat about it.

Well, sure.

It's what's IN the baggie that would matter. ;)


Maybe if it were ricin.
 
2013-05-29 09:22:23 PM  

Gyrfalcon: This is how it's going to happen, folks. It may never be "legal" to possess marijuana...but sooner or later, nobody's going to care enough to enforce the law.


I think Canada is at that point. Unless your a blatant idiot nobody cares
 
2013-05-29 09:23:27 PM  

jack21221: spongeboob: Assemblyman Steve Katz, a Westchester County Republican ticketed for marijuana possession earlier this year, voted Wednesday to decriminalize small amounts of pot.

Typical when it affects them, then it is time for a change.

I welcome his support nonetheless.

It really is a scumbag move by the cops to force people to empty their pockets, and then charge them with a misdemeanor for "open possession of marijuana" since it's now in view of the public. The cops PUT it in view of the public. Should just be a violation.


I just heard about that on NPR last week, maybe the Bob Edwards show,  anyhow if I remember correctly that is the stop and frisk policy when the cops stop the 'suspect' they tell them to empty their pockets.  The 'suspects' empties his pockets and is charged with possession of marijuana.  I am sure that makes NYC much safer.
 
2013-05-29 09:43:12 PM  
It's pretty much legal here in Los Angeles but I hope more of the country goes green.
 
2013-05-29 09:43:46 PM  
I am Scott Bakula and I have no idea what I'm doing here.

media.tumblr.com

"Sam, Ziggy says we had it all wrong. The 2nd civil war isn't started by tea party patriots vs obama... apparently it all started with NY simultaneously legalizing pot and criminalizing junk food. You got 2 days to figure out how to stop one of them"
 
2013-05-29 09:52:23 PM  

whidbey: Gyrfalcon: whidbey: Gyrfalcon: It may never be "legal" to possess marijuana.

Speak for yourself. Currenlty I could walk down the street with a baggie pinned to my lapel and no one can do jack shiat about it.

Well, sure.

It's what's IN the baggie that would matter. ;)

Maybe if it were ricin.


What if it was a water bottle with some dry ice?  (lid off but in the bag)
 
2013-05-29 09:57:15 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: What if it was a water bottle with some dry ice?  (lid off but in the bag)


It would mean I was a modern day Manchurian Candidate.
 
2013-05-29 10:14:23 PM  

HairBolus: Cuchulane: I had that 45 back in '66 and could never figure out the title. Nice headline reference!

Subby may be confusing Steve Katz with Al Kooper. While Kooper recorded with Bob Dylan and Katz recorded with Kooper, Katz never recorded with Dylan.

// yeah, it can be tough to tell those Jewish musicians apart.


I think it may have more to do with the lyrics.

/But I would not feel so all alone...
 
2013-05-29 10:25:06 PM  
I'm not sure how I feel about decriminalization.

While I do generally approve of recreational drugs and think they should be legal, I can't really say I approve of states going all jury-nullification and declaring that they're not going to enforce federal law essentially because they don't feel like it.

If you don't like a law, you need to actually change the law, ignoring it and just moving on usually ends up screwing someone, or even a lot of people, over.  Look what happened with anti-sodomy laws and anti-cohabitation laws, which most of the states just stopped enforcing rather than actually fixing in like the late 1800s, and then were used to harass random citizens that various cops/judges/etc didn't like in the 1900s/90s.

Also, the principle of states declaring that they don't have to cooperate with entirely legal federal laws didn't really end well for anyone the first time (you know, in the 1860s).
 
2013-05-29 10:29:51 PM  

Jim_Callahan: If you don't like a law, you need to actually change the law, ignoring it and just moving on usually ends up screwing someone, or even a lot of people, over


Actually, voting to legalize marijuana at the state level Isn't ignoring Federal law, and in fact is a means to change it.
 
2013-05-29 10:42:52 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: whidbey: Gyrfalcon: whidbey: Gyrfalcon: It may never be "legal" to possess marijuana.

Speak for yourself. Currenlty I could walk down the street with a baggie pinned to my lapel and no one can do jack shiat about it.

Well, sure.

It's what's IN the baggie that would matter. ;)

Maybe if it were ricin.

What if it was a water bottle with some dry ice?  (lid off but in the bag)


Then it wouldn't matter after a while. After you stopped fuming.
 
2013-05-29 10:47:53 PM  

Gyrfalcon: This is how it's going to happen, folks. It may never be "legal" to possess marijuana...but sooner or later, nobody's going to care enough to enforce the law.


it's legal in colorado. you can even grow it at home.
 
2013-05-29 10:49:02 PM  

whidbey: Jim_Callahan: If you don't like a law, you need to actually change the law, ignoring it and just moving on usually ends up screwing someone, or even a lot of people, over

Actually, voting to legalize marijuana at the state level Isn't ignoring Federal law, and in fact is a means to change it.


get 2/3s of the states to ratify an amendment and make it a constitutional right :) fark the feds.
 
2013-05-29 11:00:48 PM  

Hobodeluxe: you can even grow it at home.


img684.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-29 11:34:57 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Gyrfalcon: This is how it's going to happen, folks. It may never be "legal" to possess marijuana...but sooner or later, nobody's going to care enough to enforce the law.

it's legal in colorado. you can even grow it at home.


It's legal in Colorado. If you don't get caught by a Federal agent.
 
2013-05-30 12:38:43 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Hobodeluxe: Gyrfalcon: This is how it's going to happen, folks. It may never be "legal" to possess marijuana...but sooner or later, nobody's going to care enough to enforce the law.

it's legal in colorado. you can even grow it at home.

It's legal in Colorado. If you don't get caught by a Federal agent.


Pretty sure they're not going to waste their time with a few plants.
 
2013-05-30 12:59:33 AM  

whidbey: Hobodeluxe: you can even grow it at home.

[img684.imageshack.us image 338x256]


Poor fella saw grandma naked.

He never stood a chance.
 
2013-05-30 01:12:08 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Hobodeluxe: Gyrfalcon: This is how it's going to happen, folks. It may never be "legal" to possess marijuana...but sooner or later, nobody's going to care enough to enforce the law.

it's legal in colorado. you can even grow it at home.

It's legal in Colorado. If you don't get caught by a Federal agent.


Do we have any numbers on that so far? I'm curious how many incidents there have been of "jackbooted thugs goosestepping all over my state's rights, MAN," like I kept hearing was going to happen.
 
2013-05-30 01:21:35 AM  

I Like Bread: Do we have any numbers on that so far? I'm curious how many incidents there have been of "jackbooted thugs goosestepping all over my state's rights, MAN," like I kept hearing was going to happen.


Actually, in her defense, the DEA has been jackbooting some of the dispensaries here in Seattle, sending threatening letters which basically say something to the effect they're "violating federal law for selling an illegal narcotic and operating within 1,000 feet of a school." Never mind the school could be blocks away.

And yeah, this was Link. A similar bunch of letters got sent out last fall.
 
2013-05-30 01:36:39 AM  

whidbey: Gyrfalcon: Hobodeluxe: Gyrfalcon: This is how it's going to happen, folks. It may never be "legal" to possess marijuana...but sooner or later, nobody's going to care enough to enforce the law.

it's legal in colorado. you can even grow it at home.

It's legal in Colorado. If you don't get caught by a Federal agent.

Pretty sure they're not going to waste their time with a few plants.


But that's what I've been assured has been happening all over California! And that that was one of Obama's most eville broken campaign promises! That the Feds were going to be busting us left & right for exercising our state's rights to own drugs!
 
2013-05-30 01:37:19 AM  

whidbey: I Like Bread: Do we have any numbers on that so far? I'm curious how many incidents there have been of "jackbooted thugs goosestepping all over my state's rights, MAN," like I kept hearing was going to happen.

Actually, in her defense, the DEA has been jackbooting some of the dispensaries here in Seattle, sending threatening letters which basically say something to the effect they're "violating federal law for selling an illegal narcotic and operating within 1,000 feet of a school." Never mind the school could be blocks away.

And yeah, this was Link. A similar bunch of letters got sent out last fall.


Sounds like zoning laws, which I'm pretty sure is local jurisdiction.
I know there are plenty of cases of LOCAL governments wanting to strong-arm pot dispensaries, so they find them in violation of some vague zoning regulation and send the federal dogs after them...
 
2013-05-30 04:03:30 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Hobodeluxe: Gyrfalcon: This is how it's going to happen, folks. It may never be "legal" to possess marijuana...but sooner or later, nobody's going to care enough to enforce the law.

it's legal in colorado. you can even grow it at home.

It's legal in Colorado. If you don't get caught by a Federal agent.


Wouldn't the feds get involved if you try to sell your Colorado grown pot in another state?
 
2013-05-30 04:19:06 AM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: He was caught with an eighth. This change in law wouldn't have saved his ass.

We need more Republicans to get on the correct side of this issue, so good job, Mr. Katz.

/went by 14 dispensaries in Denver the other day. World hasn't ended; Sky Wizard's wrath yet to come


FTA: "The bill would lower the penalty for publicly possessing fewer than 15 grams of marijuana from a misdemeanor to a violation."

15 grams is just over half an ounce.
 
2013-05-30 05:14:37 AM  

whidbey: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: He was caught with an eighth. This change in law wouldn't have saved his ass.

We need more Republicans to get on the correct side of this issue, so good job, Mr. Katz.

/went by 14 dispensaries in Denver the other day. World hasn't ended; Sky Wizard's wrath yet to come

At least until the DEA unleashes Operation Scorched Earth and destroys all marijuana within the contiguous US borders.


I wonder if they need any help?
 
2013-05-30 05:28:36 AM  

beer4breakfast: What happens if you get caught with personal amounts of MJ in NY? Here in CA it's effectively ignored, under an oz, at worse, you'll get a $100 ticket for possession.


That's about what Katz got, though as a member of the state legislature he also had his allotment of intern beejes dropped from 15 to 11 per week.
 
2013-05-30 07:40:13 AM  

Rueened: whidbey: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: He was caught with an eighth. This change in law wouldn't have saved his ass.

We need more Republicans to get on the correct side of this issue, so good job, Mr. Katz.

/went by 14 dispensaries in Denver the other day. World hasn't ended; Sky Wizard's wrath yet to come

At least until the DEA unleashes Operation Scorched Earth and destroys all marijuana within the contiguous US borders.

I wonder if they need any help?


Yes, we the people will destroy this evil herb ourselves--even if we have to do it one joint at a time.

I see nothing wrong with the war on pot, and I've been fighting the battle for a loooooonnnggg time.
 
2013-05-30 08:03:33 AM  
PainInTheASP:

I wonder if they need any help?

Yes, we the people will destroy this evil herb ourselves--even if we have to do it one joint at a time.

I see nothing wrong with the war on pot, and I've been fighting the battle for a loooooonnnggg time.


I see what you did there.

How much is it costing you, by the way? How do you feel about all that money going up in smoke? Don't you think there are much more constructive things you could be doing with your money?
 
2013-05-30 08:44:58 AM  
What the NYPD really needs is a 'following orders' rule :

If the Cop tells you to 'empty your pockets' at a stop, then he can't charge you with 'open and public display' of drugs. I mean ...
 
2013-05-30 09:56:25 AM  

Rueened: PainInTheASP:

I wonder if they need any help?

Yes, we the people will destroy this evil herb ourselves--even if we have to do it one joint at a time.

I see nothing wrong with the war on pot, and I've been fighting the battle for a loooooonnnggg time.

I see what you did there.

How much is it costing you, by the way? How do you feel about all that money going up in smoke? Don't you think there are much more constructive things you could be doing with your money?


What, you never buy a beer, or a candy bar, or anything else equally empty that you enjoy?
 
2013-05-30 09:57:42 AM  

rubi_con_man: What the NYPD really needs is a 'following orders' rule :

If the Cop tells you to 'empty your pockets' at a stop, then he can't charge you with 'open and public display' of drugs. I mean ...


I think there already is a rule like that.  Never been to NY, but I think "entrapment" is a legal concept pretty much all over the nation.
 
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