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(Politico)   Gov. Lincoln Chafee, having bolted screaming from the Republican Party to being an independent, completes his evolution and registers as a Democrat   (politico.com) divider line 33
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2013-05-29 06:52:57 PM  
12 votes:
The man did two things no other Republican in the Senate did... He voted against Bush's tax cuts, and he voted against authorizing force in Iraq. Just as he promised he would. You can say he did it because he was in a safe seat, but he was not and he lost to Sheldon Whitehouse because of those two votes.

He also called correctly for the state NOT to fund 38 Studios. Those three things are enough to ensure my vote and many other Rhode Islanders regardless of what silly letter is after his name. He was a Republican politician because his Father was a Republican politician. Much like how many families keep the same affiliation, with notable exceptions of course.

Sure, he is Governor Gump. He has sh*tty public speaking habits and is kinda slow. However, he has been an honorable man and voted the right way in the eyes of history, when it really mattered.

Hope he stays.
2013-05-29 09:51:12 PM  
7 votes:
Speaks more to the Republican collapse and the Democrat veer to the right than a change in Chafee's views.

We actually need a left party now.
Republicans are the crazies.
Democrats are the new Republicans.

Who speaks for the left?
2013-05-29 10:15:42 PM  
6 votes:

NewportBarGuy: The man did two things no other Republican in the Senate did... He voted against Bush's tax cuts, and he voted against authorizing force in Iraq. Just as he promised he would. You can say he did it because he was in a safe seat, but he was not and he lost to Sheldon Whitehouse because of those two votes.

He also called correctly for the state NOT to fund 38 Studios. Those three things are enough to ensure my vote and many other Rhode Islanders regardless of what silly letter is after his name. He was a Republican politician because his Father was a Republican politician. Much like how many families keep the same affiliation, with notable exceptions of course.

Sure, he is Governor Gump. He has sh*tty public speaking habits and is kinda slow. However, he has been an honorable man and voted the right way in the eyes of history, when it really mattered.

Hope he stays.


     Here's how it goes from my point of view, the Republican party lost sane economics when the Bull Moose party dragged economic progressives out of it, and sane social justice policy when Goldwater led the southern strategy after LBJ signed the 64 civil rights act.  Everything since then (neoconservatives and Nixon, religious right, voodoo economics, Iran-Contra and Reagan and Bush the elder, Bush the younger and ramping up of retarded policies, teabaggers and everything after) has just been something without any redeeming qualities getting worse and worse.  The party has pretty much been actively gathering everything that is greedy, stupid, and evil in America and wrapping it all in one disgusting bundle.
       To quote Hunter S. Thompson "Who does vote for these dishonest shiatheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush? They are the same ones who wanted to have Muhammad Ali locked up for refusing to kill gooks. They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are the racists and hate mongers among us; they are the Ku Klux Klan."   Anybody who has chosen to be associated with that mess in the past several decades needs to take a long time to sit down and figure out how and why they got in that mess before going forth to screw with public policy once more.
2013-05-29 10:19:44 PM  
5 votes:

MFL: Virtual Pariah: Speaks more to the Republican collapse and the Democrat veer to the right than a change in Chafee's views.

We actually need a left party now.
Republicans are the crazies.
Democrats are the new Republicans.

Who speaks for the left?

Are u farking high?


No, no s/he's not.  I'm a Democratic Socialist, which 1. has nothing to do with the Democratic Party, and 2. has no voice in US politics.  There is no left wing party of any substance currently in US politics.
2013-05-29 10:44:36 PM  
4 votes:

Mrbogey: Virtual Pariah: Who speaks for the left?

Democrats. Pay attention and stop moving goalposts and No True Scotsman-ing the situation.

Why is it that the left-wing in America insists they're centrists and the only true left-winger who ever existed is Lenin and Marx? Stop with this retarded slide-rule comparison to the rest of the world.

"Derp.. we're not supporting Maoism or a generic far right-wing boogeyman so we must be centrists!"

Do you support expanded gov't powers into dictating social and economic equalization? Congrats, you're on the left. Get your free Che shirt and name tag and gather in the lobby while waiting for the show to start.


Social and economic equalization? Not many Democrats support that. They mostly support social and economic equality. I know to an ignorant derper like yourself those words look similar but they have very different meanings.
2013-05-29 10:34:33 PM  
3 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: MFL: Virtual Pariah: Speaks more to the Republican collapse and the Democrat veer to the right than a change in Chafee's views.

We actually need a left party now.
Republicans are the crazies.
Democrats are the new Republicans.

Who speaks for the left?

Are u farking high?

If you thinks Dems are "lefties" you need to travel more.  Or read more.


Actually learning to read would be the first step.
2013-05-29 10:33:26 PM  
3 votes:

Johnny Savage: El Pachuco: MFL: Virtual Pariah: Speaks more to the Republican collapse and the Democrat veer to the right than a change in Chafee's views.

We actually need a left party now.
Republicans are the crazies.
Democrats are the new Republicans.

Who speaks for the left?

Are u farking high?

No, no s/he's not.  I'm a Democratic Socialist, which 1. has nothing to do with the Democratic Party, and 2. has no voice in US politics.  There is no left wing party of any substance currently in US politics.

Thank God.


Maybe your God. The God Christians worship sent his socialist son to die on the cross for your sins.
2013-05-29 10:31:56 PM  
3 votes:

MFL: Virtual Pariah: Speaks more to the Republican collapse and the Democrat veer to the right than a change in Chafee's views.

We actually need a left party now.
Republicans are the crazies.
Democrats are the new Republicans.

Who speaks for the left?

Are u farking high?


If you thinks Dems are "lefties" you need to travel more.  Or read more.
2013-05-30 02:18:06 AM  
2 votes:

Ray_Peranus: this Independence Day, it shall take a new form as the American Revolutionary Army will march on


the city-county complex, baffling clerks and confusing people trying to renew their driver's licenses. After an extended impasse, the three of them will take over the landfill & sanitation office for about an hour. Then one of them will absent-mindedly walk in front of a large window where the shade has not been drawn, and a sheriff's deputy positioned in a tree outside will take him out with a single well-placed rifle shot. The other two will attempt to slip out the back and end up in cuffs.

The story will appear in the local five-days-per-week newspaper, and be posted on the newspaper's clumsily-styled website, where some local yokel will see it and submit it to FARK with a HOTY-worthy headline. FARKers will gather to laugh at the dumbassery, and try to recall...what the hell was that guy's FARK handle again? "Rape her anus" or something like that? Anyway...tastes like chicken.

And on to the next one...
2013-05-29 11:53:45 PM  
2 votes:

Mrbogey: Virtual Pariah: Who speaks for the left?

Democrats. Pay attention and stop moving goalposts and No True Scotsman-ing the situation.

Why is it that the left-wing in America insists they're centrists and the only true left-winger who ever existed is Lenin and Marx? Stop with this retarded slide-rule comparison to the rest of the world.

"Derp.. we're not supporting Maoism or a generic far right-wing boogeyman so we must be centrists!"

Do you support expanded gov't powers into dictating social and economic equalization? Congrats, you're on the left. Get your free Che shirt and name tag and gather in the lobby while waiting for the show to start.


As usual, you are as wrong as it is possible for one to be - reality is exactly opposite of what you've said here. It isn't Democrats saying, "We're not liberals; we're centrists." It's liberals saying, "The Democrats are too centrist and refuse to propose or support liberal policies." Which is absolutely true, by the way. Any American liberal has at best a relationship of convenience with the Democratic Party. If there were an actual liberal party in America, a lot of us would flee the Democratic sphere of influence in a hot second.
2013-05-29 10:55:18 PM  
2 votes:

Jackson Herring: if you don't want the poor to starve to death in a gutter and you think minorities should be able to eat at the woolworth's lunch counter, congrats you're a libtardo

communist.

www.globatron.org
2013-05-29 10:49:55 PM  
2 votes:

Mrbogey: Virtual Pariah: Who speaks for the left?

Democrats. Pay attention and stop moving goalposts and No True Scotsman-ing the situation.

Why is it that the left-wing in America insists they're centrists and the only true left-winger who ever existed is Lenin and Marx? Stop with this retarded slide-rule comparison to the rest of the world.

"Derp.. we're not supporting Maoism or a generic far right-wing boogeyman so we must be centrists!"

Do you support expanded gov't powers into dictating social and economic equalization? Congrats, you're on the left. Get your free Che shirt and name tag and gather in the lobby while waiting for the show to start.


Hey, I hear the teabaggers in Minnesota's 6th district are going to need another crackpot to represent them.  You sound perfect.
2013-05-29 09:53:12 PM  
2 votes:

coco ebert: I honestly thought he had already become a Democrat.


He just didn't put on the Dunce Cap and Herpa-Dee-Derp with the rest of the republicans.

McCain is right. Even Reagan would have been bashed by today's gop. That's what happens after a generation of hate and purges. Once you've distilled out all that is good decent from the gop, all you have left is a nuthouse full of cranks, bigots, and loons.
2013-05-29 09:45:51 PM  
2 votes:

NewportBarGuy: The man did two things no other Republican in the Senate did... He voted against Bush's tax cuts, and he voted against authorizing force in Iraq. Just as he promised he would. You can say he did it because he was in a safe seat, but he was not and he lost to Sheldon Whitehouse because of those two votes.

He also called correctly for the state NOT to fund 38 Studios. Those three things are enough to ensure my vote and many other Rhode Islanders regardless of what silly letter is after his name. He was a Republican politician because his Father was a Republican politician. Much like how many families keep the same affiliation, with notable exceptions of course.

Sure, he is Governor Gump. He has sh*tty public speaking habits and is kinda slow. However, he has been an honorable man and voted the right way in the eyes of history, when it really mattered.

Hope he stays.


There was a time when he was an example of a New England Republican, back when it meant someone who thought the government could regulate the dickery out of the free market, but doing it cheaper and more efficiently. Just the other day Rachel Maddow showed a clip of Bob Dole, who used to be conservative  at his 1996 acceptance speech saying government could be the crucial buffer to keep people from falling into complete failure.
2013-05-30 07:05:46 AM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: Virtual Pariah: Who speaks for the left?

Democrats. Pay attention and stop moving goalposts and No True Scotsman-ing the situation.

Why is it that the left-wing in America insists they're centrists and the only true left-winger who ever existed is Lenin and Marx? Stop with this retarded slide-rule comparison to the rest of the world.

"Derp.. we're not supporting Maoism or a generic far right-wing boogeyman so we must be centrists!"

Do you support expanded gov't powers into dictating social and economic equalization? Congrats, you're on the left. Get your free Che shirt and name tag and gather in the lobby while waiting for the show to start.


oi50.tinypic.com

Almost every modern western nation has a number of parties that represent the far left, the far right, and all the areas in between. The US is one of the few that truly lacks a far left party.

Personally, I think this isn't a bad thing because historically (pre-Regan) it ensured we had a slow moving, but not stagnant, progressive growth with national policies. It gave us remarkable stability as our more conservative parties ensured we didn't change too rapidly and in a responsible way, while our "left" typically didn't have the political capital to spend on radical changes unless they were desperately needed across the country. This balance has been slowly becoming defunct as what left we had got pulled even farther to the right, making little difference between our former Republicans and modern Democrats.

Regardless of your party affiliation or personal politics, this is simply a fact. ACA, or Obamacare, is actually a conservative version of national health care, first suggested in the late 60s and slowly gaining political will through the 90s until it was shelved during George W. Bush's presidency. Most of our banking regulations, political decisions, and most of the "scandal" actions laid at Obama's blame are very similar to actions taken by both the Bush Presidents, and many conservatives from the 1940s to present.

That doesn't mean you have to like them, or that a farther right position is invalid. That's up to your personal politics. But the fact we have shifted considerably right in a fairly short time period (about 30 years) from an already right leaning position is simply a fact of our country, and one that is easy to overlook due to no strong left party having existed in our history.
2013-05-30 06:53:38 AM  
1 votes:

part of the problem: Whiny was whining because they "have no voice in US politics". Only a daymn socialist thinks this is a problem. If the useless malcontents in the tea party can get themslves heard then you have to conclude anyone less competent than that is just lazy or dumb.


Or the 'Tea Party' has the Fox 'News' network, and much of AM radio to spew their garbage on.
2013-05-30 02:02:06 AM  
1 votes:
I don't remember who said it in another thread but it applies here (and to me as well)...

Ronald Reagan started out as a Democrat but switched in the 60s. When he was asked about it he said "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me". Well Lincoln Chaffee didn't leave the Republican Party...
2013-05-30 01:50:25 AM  
1 votes:

Ray_Peranus: When a government has repeatedly and deliberately failed to follow its own laws, violated the fundamental human rights of its citizens, threatened the sanctity of a free press, created institutions intended to eliminate privacy of communication, waged war at the behest of special interests that threatens the public safety, killed hundreds of children with drone strikes, imprisoned and destroyed the lives of countless individuals for victimless crimes, stifled economic opportunity to maintain the dominance of the financial elite, stolen from the people through an absurd system of taxation and inflation, sold future generations into debt slavery, and abused its power to suppress political opposition, it is unfit to exist and it becomes the duty of the people to alter or abolish that government by whatever means necessary to secure liberty and ensure peace. A new American revolution is long overdue. This revolution has been brewing in the hearts and minds of the people for many years, but this Independence Day, it shall take a new form as the American Revolutionary Army will march on each state capital to demand that the governors of these 50 states immediately initiate the process of an orderly dissolution of the federal government through secession and reclamation of federally held property. Should one whole year pass from this July 4th while the crimes of this government are allowed to continue, we may have passed the point at which non-violent revolution becomes impossible. The time to sit idly by has passed, to remain neutral is to be complicit, just doing your job is not an excuse, and the line in the sand has been drawn between we the people, and the criminals in Washington, DC. While some timid souls will say that it is too early, that we can solve this problem through democratic means provided by government, that current levels of taxation are reasonable for the services provided, and that the crimes of this government are merely a tolerable nuisance; it may a ...



Ohmygod.  Just farking do it already, fire the next "shot heard round the world", free us all from the shackles of the tyranny of the American government.   Stop just biatching about it and go out and start the farking revolution already if you think that's what its come to.  But since we all know you aren't actually going to do anything, maybe you could do the rest of us a favor and shut. The fark. Up.
2013-05-30 01:05:46 AM  
1 votes:

max_pooper: El Pachuco: MFL: Virtual Pariah: Speaks more to the Republican collapse and the Democrat veer to the right than a change in Chafee's views.

We actually need a left party now.
Republicans are the crazies.
Democrats are the new Republicans.

Who speaks for the left?

Are u farking high?

No, no s/he's not.  I'm a Democratic Socialist, which 1. has nothing to do with the Democratic Party, and 2. has no voice in US politics.  There is no left wing party of any substance currently in US politics.

What's your opinion on Bernie Sanders?


This would be a far better country for the majority of its citizens if Sanders occupied a center position in the US political spectrum.  I kinda doubt our Overton window can shift that much.
2013-05-30 12:18:32 AM  
1 votes:

max_pooper: Johnny Savage: El Pachuco: MFL: Virtual Pariah: Speaks more to the Republican collapse and the Democrat veer to the right than a change in Chafee's views.

We actually need a left party now.
Republicans are the crazies.
Democrats are the new Republicans.

Who speaks for the left?

Are u farking high?

No, no s/he's not.  I'm a Democratic Socialist, which 1. has nothing to do with the Democratic Party, and 2. has no voice in US politics.  There is no left wing party of any substance currently in US politics.

Thank God.

Maybe your God. The God Christians worship sent his socialist son to die on the cross for your sins.


He wasn't really a socialist. Jesus  was more of a communist, as Jesus did not declare that the workers should control the means of production so much as Jesus was all about straight up sharing everything. He essentially espoused the "To each according to his needs" part of the famous Marx quote.
2013-05-29 11:25:43 PM  
1 votes:

MFL: The guy is a jellyfish. He'll fit right in with the DNC. You libs can have him.


This is what Republicans have become.
2013-05-29 11:17:23 PM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: And one day the left will be the guys advocating for forced redistribution of wealth under a soviet committee while the right-wing will be the guys advocating for forced redistribution of wealth under a central leader. Ya know... relative.


The pendulum might swing that hard back to the left, but barring some amazing super-catastrophic collapse of the social/capitalism you see everywhere today I don't see how it would go that far.  If that happened, things would be so shiatty forced redistribution might be the only way to keep civilization alive - that's a sci-fi scenario more than a real-world fear right now.  The forced redistribution part of it takes the whole left/right idea out because whoever controls the redistribution gets the goods, regardless of whether they call themselves socialists or capitalists or republicans or what.
2013-05-29 10:59:33 PM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: Do you support expanded gov't powers into dictating social and economic equalization? Congrats, you're on the left. Get your free Che shirt and name tag and gather in the lobby while waiting for the show to start.


Today's liberals and democrats are on the left of today's political spectrum, but that's not the whole spectrum.  That's the whole point.  There's much more to the left than today's Left.  Even Nixon was more left than Clinton or Obama, based on his agenda and theirs.  That doesn't mean Nixon was Left, based on the context of the time.

It's not binary, dumbass.  It's not LEFT/RIGHT.  Its where in the spectrum of left and right that's being discussed.  That means *gasp* relativism, so you need to get over it.  There isn't a big box LEFT and a big box RIGHT, and such-and-such ideals or philosophies or policies only exist in some pure form that fit into only one box.  Seeing only a black or white, binary world is a pretty primitive way of looking at things.  Not a very intellectually designed world-view, I'd say.
2013-05-29 10:51:18 PM  
1 votes:
if you don't want the poor to starve to death in a gutter and you think minorities should be able to eat at the woolworth's lunch counter, congrats you're a libtardo
2013-05-29 10:47:04 PM  
1 votes:
dictating social and economic equalization

there is so much wrong with this statement holy shiat
2013-05-29 10:37:16 PM  
1 votes:

max_pooper: Johnny Savage: El Pachuco: MFL: Virtual Pariah: Speaks more to the Republican collapse and the Democrat veer to the right than a change in Chafee's views.

We actually need a left party now.
Republicans are the crazies.
Democrats are the new Republicans.

Who speaks for the left?

Are u farking high?

No, no s/he's not.  I'm a Democratic Socialist, which 1. has nothing to do with the Democratic Party, and 2. has no voice in US politics.  There is no left wing party of any substance currently in US politics.

Thank God.

Maybe your God. The God Christians worship sent his socialist son to die on the cross for your sins.


I think most conservatives should just admit they would be happier with the God that carries a hammer, than that bleeding heart Jesus.
2013-05-29 10:36:48 PM  
1 votes:

coco ebert: I honestly thought he had already become a Democrat.


Well he was one of the 10 most liberal senators when he was in the senate. He was more liberal than Ted Kennedy according to voting records. Never understood why he was a republican in the first place. I mean he lost a senate race to a liberal democrat who wasn't as liberal as him. He was the ultimate RINO, now in the zoo cage he belongs in....with the asses
2013-05-29 10:23:38 PM  
1 votes:

El Pachuco: MFL: Virtual Pariah: Speaks more to the Republican collapse and the Democrat veer to the right than a change in Chafee's views.

We actually need a left party now.
Republicans are the crazies.
Democrats are the new Republicans.

Who speaks for the left?

Are u farking high?

No, no s/he's not.  I'm a Democratic Socialist, which 1. has nothing to do with the Democratic Party, and 2. has no voice in US politics.  There is no left wing party of any substance currently in US politics.


To lunatic rightwingers, John Birch gibberish is communism.
2013-05-29 09:23:22 PM  
1 votes:
He's not a crook, which is a step up for Rhode Island.
2013-05-29 09:21:01 PM  
1 votes:

coco ebert: I honestly thought he had already become a Democrat.


So did most of Rhode Island.  Not that I fault him for what  NewportBarGuy said,  but him being an "independent" never really sounded right.
2013-05-29 09:03:43 PM  
1 votes:
A true conservative.
2013-05-29 08:47:05 PM  
1 votes:
Way to go Chafee!

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2013-05-29 08:01:17 PM  
1 votes:
I honestly thought he had already become a Democrat.
 
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