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(Politico)   Gov. Lincoln Chafee, having bolted screaming from the Republican Party to being an independent, completes his evolution and registers as a Democrat   (politico.com) divider line 133
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2013-05-30 02:27:35 AM

Fista-Phobia: You better be beatin' that speed tipple.


Not sure what this means. BTW, it's "triple," as in three pistons.
 
2013-05-30 02:31:50 AM

Mrbogey: Virtual Pariah: Who speaks for the left?

Democrats. Pay attention and stop moving goalposts and No True Scotsman-ing the situation.

Why is it that the left-wing in America insists they're centrists and the only true left-winger who ever existed is Lenin and Marx? Stop with this retarded slide-rule comparison to the rest of the world.

"Derp.. we're not supporting Maoism or a generic far right-wing boogeyman so we must be centrists!"

Do you support expanded gov't powers into dictating social and economic equalization? Congrats, you're on the left. Get your free Che shirt and name tag and gather in the lobby while waiting for the show to start.


People call the Democrats centrists because they are. The thing that's confusing your politically conservative brain is that they aren't PROUD of that fact, unlike the conservatives trying to portray themselves as centrists because they think that the Fallacy of Middle Ground is a valid method of governance.
 
2013-05-30 02:34:05 AM

bgddy24601: /Can I come with you to the past? I'm an excellent cook and a great travel companion. The Doctor asked me to join him once but I was studying for finals.


Thanks for the info.  As for coming with me... you are a friend of the Doctor, you understand the importance of a younger, less experienced, phenomenally more attractive companion...and you want to travel with me?  I'm covering my part of the bargain by not being so attractive, but where's your submission?  Submit your application whenever and wherever you want, we'll get it, I assure you.
 
2013-05-30 02:45:35 AM

Aquapope: bgddy24601: /Can I come with you to the past? I'm an excellent cook and a great travel companion. The Doctor asked me to join him once but I was studying for finals.

Thanks for the info.  As for coming with me... you are a friend of the Doctor, you understand the importance of a younger, less experienced, phenomenally more attractive companion...and you want to travel with me?  I'm covering my part of the bargain by not being so attractive, but where's your submission?  Submit your application whenever and wherever you want, we'll get it, I assure you.


If it helps I already submitted it 200 years from now. Of course I'm more Craig Owens than Jack Harkness, but very few of us are Jack Harkness...
 
2013-05-30 02:55:00 AM

bgddy24601: Its from THIS. I don't envy your journey if you go there but if you do I pray you come back safe.


Reading that gave me cancer.
 
2013-05-30 03:01:58 AM
 Lovely

bgddy24601: If it helps I already submitted it 200 years from now. Of course I'm more Craig Owens than Jack Harkness, but very few of us are Jack Harkness...


Just got your application, lovely.  I don't get your points about Owens and Harkness as they've been gone for so long.. however our Director, K.Gillan will put you with one of our best instructors, Ford or Coleman.
 
2013-05-30 03:10:09 AM

Aquapope: Lovelybgddy24601: If it helps I already submitted it 200 years from now. Of course I'm more Craig Owens than Jack Harkness, but very few of us are Jack Harkness...

Just got your application, lovely.  I don't get your points about Owens and Harkness as they've been gone for so long.. however our Director, K.Gillan will put you with one of our best instructors, Ford or Coleman.


I was going more for visual approximation than what the characters themselves brought to the table. As far as character goes I'd like to think I'm a Rory but that's a tough standard to live up to.
 
2013-05-30 03:22:48 AM
The problem is that Republicans only flip after they've left office, and they usually stop over in Indieville before switching fully to Democrat. It's that whole 'I didn't leave the party, the party left me' stuff.

Democrats who flip, however, seem to have no problem just going 'fark it' and flipping fully to Republican, while in office.

Not that either approach prolongs your political career at all. But the ones who go R to D have more of a political afterlife than the ones who go D to R.
 
Juc
2013-05-30 04:13:48 AM
say what you will, the M24 was an awesome tank.
 
2013-05-30 05:20:00 AM

spongeboob: Jackson Herring: if you don't want the poor to starve to death in a gutter and you think minorities should be able to eat at the woolworth's lunch counter, congrats you're a libtardo

I don't think anyone wants the poor to starve to death in a gutter, I mean someone will just have to drag the body away, and it would be depressing, have some courtesy and die in private


job creatin'!

/good goddess, is it freakin early...
//yawn
///threes and such
 
2013-05-30 05:22:49 AM

Aquapope: spongeboob: I don't think anyone wants the poor to starve to death in a gutter, I mean someone will just have to drag the body away

JOB CREATION!!!  Somebody run with this idea.


And that's what I get for not reading the whole thread.  Nevermind me.

/i'm gonna go work now. >.<
 
2013-05-30 05:41:07 AM

Ray_Peranus: When a government has repeatedly and deliberately failed to follow its own laws, violated the fundamental human rights of its citizens, threatened the sanctity of a free press, created institutions intended to eliminate privacy of communication, waged war at the behest of special interests that threatens the public safety, killed hundreds of children with drone strikes, imprisoned and destroyed the lives of countless individuals for victimless crimes, stifled economic opportunity to maintain the dominance of the financial elite, stolen from the people through an absurd system of taxation and inflation, sold future generations into debt slavery, and abused its power to suppress political opposition, it is unfit to exist and it becomes the duty of the people to alter or abolish that government by whatever means necessary to secure liberty and ensure peace. A new American revolution is long overdue. This revolution has been brewing in the hearts and minds of the people for many years, but this Independence Day, it shall take a new form as the American Revolutionary Army will march on each state capital to demand that the governors of these 50 states immediately initiate the process of an orderly dissolution of the federal government through secession and reclamation of federally held property. Should one whole year pass from this July 4th while the crimes of this government are allowed to continue, we may have passed the point at which non-violent revolution becomes impossible. The time to sit idly by has passed, to remain neutral is to be complicit, just doing your job is not an excuse, and the line in the sand has been drawn between we the people, and the criminals in Washington, DC. While some timid souls will say that it is too early, that we can solve this problem through democratic means provided by government, that current levels of taxation are reasonable for the services provided, and that the crimes of this government are merely a tolerable nuisance; it may a ...



Do it, you simpering pussies, or shut the fark up and go back to farking your mothers.
 
2013-05-30 06:29:00 AM

max_pooper: Mrbogey: Virtual Pariah: Who speaks for the left?

Democrats. Pay attention and stop moving goalposts and No True Scotsman-ing the situation.

Why is it that the left-wing in America insists they're centrists and the only true left-winger who ever existed is Lenin and Marx? Stop with this retarded slide-rule comparison to the rest of the world.

"Derp.. we're not supporting Maoism or a generic far right-wing boogeyman so we must be centrists!"

Do you support expanded gov't powers into dictating social and economic equalization? Congrats, you're on the left. Get your free Che shirt and name tag and gather in the lobby while waiting for the show to start.

Social and economic equalization? Not many Democrats support that. They mostly support social and economic equality. I know to an ignorant derper like yourself those words look similar but they have very different meanings.


What about just social and economic minimums?
 
2013-05-30 06:43:32 AM

El Pachuco: MFL: Virtual Pariah: Speaks more to the Republican collapse and the Democrat veer to the right than a change in Chafee's views.

We actually need a left party now.
Republicans are the crazies.
Democrats are the new Republicans.

Who speaks for the left?

Are u farking high?

No, no s/he's not.  I'm a Democratic Socialist, which 1. has nothing to do with the Democratic Party, and 2. has no voice in US politics.  There is no left wing party of any substance currently in US politics.


There is no such thing as a left wing party of any substance. You have no voice in US politics because sometimes the free market really does work. If no one is buying what you are selling..... maybe the product just sucks?
 
2013-05-30 06:47:51 AM

part of the problem: There is no such thing as a left wing party of any substance. You have no voice in US politics because sometimes the free market really does work. If no one is buying what you are selling..... maybe the product just sucks?


English?
 
2013-05-30 06:51:17 AM
Whiny was whining because they "have no voice in US politics". Only a daymn socialist thinks this is a problem. If the useless malcontents in the tea party can get themslves heard then you have to conclude anyone less competent than that is just lazy or dumb.
 
2013-05-30 06:53:38 AM

part of the problem: Whiny was whining because they "have no voice in US politics". Only a daymn socialist thinks this is a problem. If the useless malcontents in the tea party can get themslves heard then you have to conclude anyone less competent than that is just lazy or dumb.


Or the 'Tea Party' has the Fox 'News' network, and much of AM radio to spew their garbage on.
 
2013-05-30 07:05:46 AM

Mrbogey: Virtual Pariah: Who speaks for the left?

Democrats. Pay attention and stop moving goalposts and No True Scotsman-ing the situation.

Why is it that the left-wing in America insists they're centrists and the only true left-winger who ever existed is Lenin and Marx? Stop with this retarded slide-rule comparison to the rest of the world.

"Derp.. we're not supporting Maoism or a generic far right-wing boogeyman so we must be centrists!"

Do you support expanded gov't powers into dictating social and economic equalization? Congrats, you're on the left. Get your free Che shirt and name tag and gather in the lobby while waiting for the show to start.


oi50.tinypic.com

Almost every modern western nation has a number of parties that represent the far left, the far right, and all the areas in between. The US is one of the few that truly lacks a far left party.

Personally, I think this isn't a bad thing because historically (pre-Regan) it ensured we had a slow moving, but not stagnant, progressive growth with national policies. It gave us remarkable stability as our more conservative parties ensured we didn't change too rapidly and in a responsible way, while our "left" typically didn't have the political capital to spend on radical changes unless they were desperately needed across the country. This balance has been slowly becoming defunct as what left we had got pulled even farther to the right, making little difference between our former Republicans and modern Democrats.

Regardless of your party affiliation or personal politics, this is simply a fact. ACA, or Obamacare, is actually a conservative version of national health care, first suggested in the late 60s and slowly gaining political will through the 90s until it was shelved during George W. Bush's presidency. Most of our banking regulations, political decisions, and most of the "scandal" actions laid at Obama's blame are very similar to actions taken by both the Bush Presidents, and many conservatives from the 1940s to present.

That doesn't mean you have to like them, or that a farther right position is invalid. That's up to your personal politics. But the fact we have shifted considerably right in a fairly short time period (about 30 years) from an already right leaning position is simply a fact of our country, and one that is easy to overlook due to no strong left party having existed in our history.
 
2013-05-30 07:09:37 AM

Alphax: part of the problem: Whiny was whining because they "have no voice in US politics". Only a daymn socialist thinks this is a problem. If the useless malcontents in the tea party can get themslves heard then you have to conclude anyone less competent than that is just lazy or dumb.

Or the 'Tea Party' has the Fox 'News' network, and much of AM radio to spew their garbage on.


Again. Whining. What is wrong with you people? There is plenty of far left media. Clearly Michael Moore is still eating so you cant claim you don't have mouthpieces. The Occupy movement got plenty of coverage. But that is your problem. No actual adult wants the country run by trust fund hippies. Just admit your ideas have been heard and rejected.

If AM RADIO is one of your movements biggest obstacles in 2013 you have failed. Maybe it's time to ditch the patchouli oil and get a job.
 
2013-05-30 07:12:17 AM

part of the problem: There is plenty of far left media.


Say what?
 
2013-05-30 07:21:24 AM

Alphax: part of the problem: There is plenty of far left media.

Say what?


You do know about the internet, right?
I'm an NRA member who drives a pickup truck and even I read Mother Jones. Diverse opinions are not hard to find/
Seriously, quit whining. You want your little hippy dippy Social/Democrat party then get off your hack sack playin' arse and go start it.
 
2013-05-30 07:57:14 AM
bgddy24601:

Kittypie070:

hardinparamedic:

glmorrs1:

MBP2112:


It is a Quote. Not sure if he posted it because he agrees, or if he was just pointing out the wharrgarbl.
 
2013-05-30 08:24:09 AM
Does this metamorphosis happenmore llike a butterfly or a werewolf?
 
2013-05-30 08:34:44 AM
Why wouldn't he? The farking GOP has basically become a collection of regressive, proudly ignorant clowns.

The Democrats have taken over the Center Right in this country while the GOP has sailed out into far right field.

I'm further to the left than most Democratic politicians (including Obama), but I'll take them over any GOP politician, to be honest. Like I said yesterday, I will actively vote against any GOP politician whenever I get the opportunity.
 
2013-05-30 09:02:43 AM
I didn't leave the Republican party, the Republican party left the human race.
 
2013-05-30 09:39:35 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Does this metamorphosis happenmore llike a butterfly or a werewolf?


I think it is more of a beer-goggles effect.
 
2013-05-30 09:41:19 AM

vygramul: bgddy24601:

Kittypie070:

hardinparamedic:

glmorrs1:

MBP2112:

It is a Quote. Not sure if he posted it because he agrees, or if he was just pointing out the wharrgarbl.


Cool, then if that was the case my comment is directed at whoever the hell Adam Kokesh is.

But thank jeebus you were here to point that out, god knows its hard enough for people to defend themselves on the internet.
 
2013-05-30 09:49:47 AM

glmorrs1: vygramul: bgddy24601:

Kittypie070:

hardinparamedic:

glmorrs1:

MBP2112:

It is a Quote. Not sure if he posted it because he agrees, or if he was just pointing out the wharrgarbl.

Cool, then if that was the case my comment is directed at whoever the hell Adam Kokesh is.

But thank jeebus you were here to point that out, god knows its hard enough for people to defend themselves on the internet.


How DARE you insult Adam Kokesh! He ran for Congress in 2010 and received the endorsement of RON PAUL!

(I blame all of this on the LSD they put in the grass in Iraq to make our military personnel pacifists and shiat.)
 
2013-05-30 10:53:06 AM

BMulligan: As usual, you are as wrong as it is possible for one to be - reality is exactly opposite of what you've said here. It isn't Democrats saying, "We're not liberals; we're centrists." It's liberals saying, "The Democrats are too centrist and refuse to propose or support liberal policies." Which is absolutely true, by the way. Any American liberal has at best a relationship of convenience with the Democratic Party. If there were an actual liberal party in America, a lot of us would flee the Democratic sphere of influence in a hot second.


Yea, you can't possibly believe that assertion and not be naive. You're like the closeted gay man who refuses to believe he's gay even though he keep having sex with men.

When you and a whole slew of your brethren show up to vote for the Democrat, congrats, you're electing the liberal lefty. That the liberal lefty can't enact all of the far left policies you want doesn't make them centrist all of a sudden. That's completely disingenuous to say that there is no left-wing in America because they're not left-wing enough quick enough.

By your argument, there is no right-wing party in America. And actually, it's far closer to the truth then your assertion. Policy isn't moving in a right-wing direction at all despite the whining of the disingenuous lefties in America. Gov't isn't getting smaller, immigration policy isn't getting enforced, economic policy isn't getting leaner either.

LordJiro: Are Republicans just seriously incapable in seeing nuance? Is their worldview just ENTIRELY black-and-white, with us or against us, good vs. evil?

Because that is an extremely childish worldview. Which would, come to think of it, explain the GOP's childish actions, like shutting down the government whenever the voters don't give them absolute power.


Excellent rebuttal. The skill you displayed in facing the issue and rebutting it was legendary. Oh wait, strike that and reverse it. All you did was insult me and issue an ad hominem. At no point did you make a point.

Nuance? Please. Nuance doesn't mean what you think it means by your usage. It's just a buzzword you liberal/lefties throw around to explain your inability to be proud and honest about your goals.

JollyMagistrate: Regardless of your party affiliation or personal politics, this is simply a fact. ACA, or Obamacare, is actually a conservative version of national health care, first suggested in the late 60s and slowly gaining political will through the 90s until it was shelved during George W. Bush's presidency.


The conservative version of national healthcare is no national health care. The plans put forth earlier were compromises. Why did it get shelved? Because America was more right-wing 40 years ago and when some in the party proposed it they were told to sit down and shut up.

JollyMagistrate: But the fact we have shifted considerably right in a fairly short time period (about 30 years) from an already right leaning position is simply a fact of our country, and one that is easy to overlook due to no strong left party having existed in our history.


This is the asserted fact that seems to exist through sheer will with no proof of it ever having been born. Thirty years ago, Reagan had just been elected to the White House... and we're further right than that? Are you saying that Mitt Romney was too right-wing for the White House? That if Obama with all his policy positions ran in 1980 he'd still be ideal? Homosexual marriage would be more popular? People would be demanding tax raises?

It's a nice talking point. It's very comforting to lefty/liberals/progressive for why they're not an absolute majority but it's complete tripe.

JollyMagistrate: Almost every modern western nation has a number of parties that represent the far left, the far right, and all the areas in between. The US is one of the few that truly lacks a far left party.


Most other nations lack a successful right-wing party. UKIP is the closest to a significantly right-wing party Europe has that is getting traction. After that, the typical right-wing party gets a few percent at best during an election.

You know though Fark headlines about "America is so right-wing that even the right-wing in Europe favors [random socialistic policy]", it's because their right-wing typically consists of left-wingers who hate immigrants. In France Le Pen's party favored most of the economic policies of the socialist that won with the biggest disagreement being over degree. Some people just like to win by definition though so parties like the BNP, which favors a strong to moderate gov't role in economic and social equality are right-wing because their chief gripe is nationalism (which always gets the entirety of the group lumped in with the right even when it's their sole agreement).
 
2013-05-30 12:17:29 PM

bgddy24601: Aquapope: Ray_Peranus: stuff blah blah blah stuff
/kokesh

Is that supposed to be a David Koresh quote?  "kokesh" doesn't return anything in the Googles... so can't be very important.  So what are you saying?  or not saying, in your own words if you can.

Its from THIS. I don't envy your journey if you go there but if you do I pray you come back safe.

/Can I come with you to the past? I'm an excellent cook and a great travel companion. The Doctor asked me to join him once but I was studying for finals.


lol, I don't want to go to the past.  I hate slavery and don't believe it to be a '1776 revolution' as Alex Bones put it on Piers.  I (didn't) take statistics in school but the numbers show that areas with high gun control have more crimes and that probably isn't a coincidence.  I personally hate guns but would don't advocate the disarming of someone.  You're probably a mature adult who if you had a gun would keep it locked up in a safe and never take the shiat out unless you were hunting or someone was breaking in your house.  If I was a criminal it makes sense not to start committing crime if I know someone had the means to blow my head off in self-defence of their family. And I wouldn't need some shiatty government to try me while Nancy Grace beats off under the chair watching some shiatty jury try the person that did.  The people would be smart enough to put 2 and 2 together and either see they were a trigger happy sociopath or if they were using fair judgement.
 
2013-05-30 03:12:33 PM

part of the problem: Whiny was whining because they "have no voice in US politics". Only a daymn socialist thinks this is a problem. If the useless malcontents in the tea party can get themslves heard then you have to conclude anyone less competent than that is just lazy or dumb.


Yeah! Astroturf is fine! Why do we need grassroots?
 
2013-05-30 06:16:24 PM

NewportBarGuy: The man did two things no other Republican in the Senate did... He voted against Bush's tax cuts, and he voted against authorizing force in Iraq. Just as he promised he would. You can say he did it because he was in a safe seat, but he was not and he lost to Sheldon Whitehouse because of those two votes.

He also called correctly for the state NOT to fund 38 Studios. Those three things are enough to ensure my vote and many other Rhode Islanders regardless of what silly letter is after his name. He was a Republican politician because his Father was a Republican politician. Much like how many families keep the same affiliation, with notable exceptions of course.

Sure, he is Governor Gump. He has sh*tty public speaking habits and is kinda slow. However, he has been an honorable man and voted the right way in the eyes of history, when it really mattered.

Hope he stays.


Makes me question why the hell he is a Rep... oh right, reason for the thread.
 
2013-05-30 09:42:23 PM
"For anybody to imply that affiliating as a Democrat is NOT simply about politics or about winning an election, doesn't know Gov. Chafee."

/fixed
 
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