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2013-05-29 10:06:12 AM  
Couldn't happen to a nicer group of assholes.

Although, hearing about their members crossing racist and bigoted picket lines at a Mosque for Tea and Crumpets, and a nice game of Soccer was almost as awesome.
 
2013-05-29 10:16:44 AM  

hardinparamedic: Couldn't happen to a nicer group of assholes.

Although, hearing about their members crossing racist and bigoted picket lines at a Mosque for Tea and Crumpets, and a nice game of Soccer was almost as awesome.


You can't hate against bringers of snacks. Although I do not know if this is true, I heard that Disney World employees brought out milk and cookies to protesters against Disney World's 'Gay Days.'
 
2013-05-29 10:52:36 AM  
Stuff like this does make me a bit concerned.

Now before you go OMG CONCERNED TROLL LOL remember that I am not anti-gay nor racist nor Islamophobic.

Leaking member information is kinda farked up a bit. What purpose does it serve besides giving potential harassers personal information? I wouldnt want a pro-life group getting a directory of a pro-choice group.
 
2013-05-29 10:55:58 AM  

cman: Stuff like this does make me a bit concerned.

Now before you go OMG CONCERNED TROLL LOL remember that I am not anti-gay nor racist nor Islamophobic.

Leaking member information is kinda farked up a bit. What purpose does it serve besides giving potential harassers personal information? I wouldnt want a pro-life group getting a directory of a pro-choice group.


The simple fact that most of these people do what they do because they are anonymous. If you notice, the entire crux of the EDL is that they wear masks to appear as faceless bastions of the last true white englishman. Basically, the EDL is an English version of the Klan, and the masks serve the same purpose.

Pro-choice groups don't hide behind a bastardized, fascist version of England to promote their ideals.

Peel away the mask and reveal the idiot underneath, and they lose their nerve when they have real-life consequences to hatred and intolerance.
 
2013-05-29 11:01:01 AM  

hardinparamedic: cman: Stuff like this does make me a bit concerned.

Now before you go OMG CONCERNED TROLL LOL remember that I am not anti-gay nor racist nor Islamophobic.

Leaking member information is kinda farked up a bit. What purpose does it serve besides giving potential harassers personal information? I wouldnt want a pro-life group getting a directory of a pro-choice group.

The simple fact that most of these people do what they do because they are anonymous. If you notice, the entire crux of the EDL is that they wear masks to appear as faceless bastions of the last true white englishman. Basically, the EDL is an English version of the Klan, and the masks serve the same purpose.

Pro-choice groups don't hide behind a bastardized, fascist version of England to promote their ideals.

Peel away the mask and reveal the idiot underneath, and they lose their nerve when they have real-life consequences to hatred and intolerance.


It is the principle of it that I dislike. I detest right-wing extremist groups, but really, you gotta have some moral high-ground to show that you are better than them. Let them be the assholes who are unethical bastards.
 
2013-05-29 11:26:29 AM  

cman: I detest right-wing extremist groups, but really, you gotta have some moral high-ground to show that you are better than them. Let them be the assholes who are unethical bastards.


You're still holding the moral high ground. You're not going to their house. Nor are you encouraging others to do so. You're stripping the veil of anonymity that allows them to operate the way they do.

It's the same principle, as I mentioned before, as to why the Klan wore masks when they did their thing. They could pillage and terrorize the blacks all they wanted to, and then go to work the next day with no one the wiser.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating the intolerant. And they are going beyond being assholes who are unethical bastards. They are involving their unethical assholery in trying to manipulate and shape public policy.

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society... then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them... We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant."
― Karl R. Popper

"But that's always a certain way to recognise a facist: when he's more powerful he kills everything that's different from him, he uses only brute force while law breaks like glass under his boots. And then, when he loses and when he's weak, he invokes the law and tolerance of differences. All of a sudden, he knows by heart every single human rights convention he broke so many times before."
― Andrej Nikolidas
 
2013-05-29 11:31:30 AM  

hardinparamedic: cman: I detest right-wing extremist groups, but really, you gotta have some moral high-ground to show that you are better than them. Let them be the assholes who are unethical bastards.

You're still holding the moral high ground. You're not going to their house. Nor are you encouraging others to do so. You're stripping the veil of anonymity that allows them to operate the way they do.

It's the same principle, as I mentioned before, as to why the Klan wore masks when they did their thing. They could pillage and terrorize the blacks all they wanted to, and then go to work the next day with no one the wiser.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating the intolerant. And they are going beyond being assholes who are unethical bastards. They are involving their unethical assholery in trying to manipulate and shape public policy.

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society... then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them... We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant."
― Karl R. Popper

"But that's always a certain way to recognise a facist: when he's more powerful he kills everything that's different from him, he uses only brute force while law breaks like glass under his boots. And then, when he loses and when he's weak, he invokes the law and tolerance of differences. All of a sudden, he knows by heart every single human rights convention he broke so many times before."
― Andrej Nikolidas


I know that this isnt a black and white issue for you and I do appreciate your position.

IMO I see the world in more of a black and white instead of shades of gray. Principles are important to me regardless of who it is. ACLU defended Nazi marchers for instance is a good example of how I see the world and how I feel principles should be applied. Not everyone is me, however.
 
2013-05-29 11:42:11 AM  

cman: Stuff like this does make me a bit concerned.

Now before you go OMG CONCERNED TROLL LOL remember that I am not anti-gay nor racist nor Islamophobic.

Leaking member information is kinda farked up a bit. What purpose does it serve besides giving potential harassers personal information? I wouldnt want a pro-life group getting a directory of a pro-choice group.


cman: hardinparamedic: cman: I detest right-wing extremist groups, but really, you gotta have some moral high-ground to show that you are better than them. Let them be the assholes who are unethical bastards.

You're still holding the moral high ground. You're not going to their house. Nor are you encouraging others to do so. You're stripping the veil of anonymity that allows them to operate the way they do.

It's the same principle, as I mentioned before, as to why the Klan wore masks when they did their thing. They could pillage and terrorize the blacks all they wanted to, and then go to work the next day with no one the wiser.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating the intolerant. And they are going beyond being assholes who are unethical bastards. They are involving their unethical assholery in trying to manipulate and shape public policy.

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society... then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them... We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant."
― Karl R. Popper

"But that's always a certain way to recognise a facist: when he's more powerful he kills everything that's different from him, he uses only brute force while law breaks like glass under his boots. And then, when he loses and when he's weak, he invokes the law and tolerance of differences. All of a sudden, he knows by heart every single human rights convention he broke so many times before."
― Andrej Nikolidas

I know that this isnt a black and white issue for you and I do appreciate your position.

IMO I see the world in more of a black and white instead of shades of gray. Principles are important to me regardless of who it is. ACLU defended Nazi marchers for instance is a good example of how I see the world and how I feel principles should be applied. Not everyone is me, how ...


The ACLU defending the marchers at Skokie was fine with me.  Sadly, the world is not a black and white and you think it might be.
 
2013-05-29 11:44:45 AM  
I find it kinda ironic that anonymous would leak people's personal info.
of course they hide from prosecution
these racist bigots hide from persecution
 
2013-05-29 11:45:21 AM  
The EDL isn't helping things one bit. No one wants the UK to turn into an islamic Britanniastan, but no one wants the Fourth Reich either.
 
2013-05-29 11:46:42 AM  

hardinparamedic: You're still holding the moral high ground. You're not going to their house. Nor are you encouraging others to do so. You're stripping the veil of anonymity that allows them to operate the way they do.


Just want to point out that the group publishing such things is called Anonymous and themselves operates only because nobody knows who they are.

My big beef with Anonymous doing these kinds of things is that they themselves answer to nobody. They're like a chaotic neutral at best- they may be doing good, but you never know what they'll be up to and can maybe cross the line with the next stunt they pull.
 
2013-05-29 11:47:22 AM  

Cythraul: You can't hate against bringers of snacks. Although I do not know if this is true, I heard that Disney World employees brought out milk and cookies to protesters against Disney World's 'Gay Days.'


That's what you might call "diffusing a situation".  If you can calm people down a few notches, making it a few percentage points that things will go really badly, for the price of some milk and cookies then I say do it.
 
2013-05-29 11:49:17 AM  
I have no problem with outrage against a group of people who seem to harbor and support murderous animals.
..plenty of people on fark post their hate of christians from acts done hundreds of years ago
 I do have a problem with claims that every single one of them are bad guys..even if they publicly speak out against the douchebags that kill in the name of allah

disclaimer said, I think that there are better ways for the european anonymous groups to use their cyber talent
 
2013-05-29 11:50:44 AM  
Where do they get these "leaks"?  Not to get all conspiracy theorist on you but this is clearly a leak on information that has collected by the police surveilling people who take part in their rallies. I wouldn't put it beyond the police to leak the info themselves.  We know they are tracking Muslim extremists, I have seen them track football fans (the police would call them hooligans but there is little actual fighting happening), they track CND protesters.

There is massive amount of covert operations happening in the UK so it is unsurprising this has come to light, was this done on purpose, maybe?
 
2013-05-29 11:51:47 AM  
The EDL is a bunch of nationalist pigs...
 
2013-05-29 11:51:54 AM  

Cythraul: hardinparamedic: Couldn't happen to a nicer group of assholes.

Although, hearing about their members crossing racist and bigoted picket lines at a Mosque for Tea and Crumpets, and a nice game of Soccer was almost as awesome.

You can't hate against bringers of snacks. Although I do not know if this is true, I heard that Disney World employees brought out milk and cookies to protesters against Disney World's 'Gay Days.'


www.dumb.com
 
2013-05-29 11:53:36 AM  
I thought the English Defence League was a few members of the House of Lords who took the  Scarlet Pimpernel a bit too seriously.
 
2013-05-29 11:53:42 AM  

hardinparamedic: The simple fact that most of these people do what they do because they are anonymous.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-29 11:58:24 AM  

Cheron: I thought the English Defence League was a few members of the House of Lords who took the  Scarlet Pimpernel a bit too seriously.


I thought it was some new wave '80s band.
 
2013-05-29 11:58:34 AM  

hardinparamedic: The simple fact that most of these people do what they do because they are anonymous. If you notice, the entire crux of the EDL is that they wear masks to appear as faceless bastions of the last true white englishman. Basically, the EDL is an English version of the Klan, and the masks serve the same purpose.



Doing a GIS for the English Defense League reveals many more bare faces than masks.
I doubt they really care that Anonymous (a group that actually hides who they are) has released their member and donor lists.
 
2013-05-29 12:00:13 PM  

hardinparamedic: If you notice, the entire crux of the EDL is that they wear masks to appear as faceless bastions of the last true white englishman. Basically, the EDL is an English version of the Klan, and the masks serve the same purpose.


And unlike the US KKK, it's a super cool club because jews are invited in. Imagine a neo Nazi outfit that includes jews.
 
2013-05-29 12:02:02 PM  
Hmmm. I'd never heard of EDL until just now, but they sound like

www.comedy.co.uk

...without the funny.


/as best I can remember, the "what are we for?" speech was the most brilliant satire of the right wing ever
//can't find it on the internet in any form
 
2013-05-29 12:02:37 PM  
its pretty funny to me people are so desperate to hate on anon they will white knight for a klan to do it.
 
2013-05-29 12:02:58 PM  
Anonymous seems to pretty good at coming down on the 'right' side of most issues. I hope that this trend continues because god help us if it doesn't.
 
2013-05-29 12:04:04 PM  

Cythraul: You can't hate against bringers of snacks. Although I do not know if this is true, I heard that Disney World employees brought out milk and cookies to protesters against Disney World's 'Gay Days.'


www.anunews.net

Don't always work out the way you plan it...
 
2013-05-29 12:05:06 PM  

Egoy3k: Anonymous seems to pretty good at coming down on the 'right' side of most issues. I hope that this trend continues because god help us if it doesn't.


Several also believe that Newtown was an inside job by Obama to take their guns
 
2013-05-29 12:08:12 PM  
Wait until the Defense League of England gets involved
 
2013-05-29 12:09:28 PM  

cman: Principles are important to me regardless of who it is. ACLU defended Nazi marchers for instance is a good example of how I see the world and how I feel principles should be applied.


Good god, man... why are you expecting high-minded, ACLU-style "principle" from those Anon farktards?

Lulz. Nothing but lulz. That is the only principle they believe in. Period.
 
2013-05-29 12:14:10 PM  
I would be really pissed off at the people who brutally murdered the policeman as well...but to go on a rampage against Muslims and any non-whites is not helping matters.  It's only making things worse...
 
2013-05-29 12:18:26 PM  

cman: Stuff like this does make me a bit concerned.

Now before you go OMG CONCERNED TROLL LOL remember that I am not anti-gay nor racist nor Islamophobic.

Leaking member information is kinda farked up a bit. What purpose does it serve besides giving potential harassers personal information? I wouldnt want a pro-life group getting a directory of a pro-choice group.


I thought they liked harassing
 
2013-05-29 12:19:13 PM  
Anonymity is the Holy Grail of the 21st Century.

That 501(c)4 is just as much about anonymous donors as anything -- that's the dirty Tea Party secret behind the "scandal." Karl Rove is on record for that.
 
2013-05-29 12:20:39 PM  

PhDemented: Wait until the Defense League of England gets involved


They're too busy with their feud with the League of English Defenders to get involved.
 
2013-05-29 12:21:44 PM  
Yeah. because they're the real threat. Ok
 
2013-05-29 12:23:13 PM  

CrazyCracka420: I would be really pissed off at the people who brutally murdered the policeman as well...but to go on a rampage against Muslims and any non-whites is not helping matters.  It's only making things worse...


Do you have a citation for this "rampage"?
 
2013-05-29 12:24:34 PM  

BitwiseShift: Anonymity is the Holy Grail of the 21st Century.

That 501(c)4 is just as much about anonymous donors as anything -- that's the dirty Tea Party secret behind the "scandal." Karl Rove is on record for that.


yeah he's pimping out puppet politicians for the Chinese to get legislation written in their favor.
 
2013-05-29 12:25:17 PM  
www.a2review.net

"Darling Fascist Bully Boys..."
 
2013-05-29 12:25:26 PM  

I Ate Shergar: PhDemented: Wait until the Defense League of England gets involved

They're too busy with their feud with the League of English Defenders to get involved.


Was that the movie where Sean Connery played Alan Quartermain?
 
2013-05-29 12:25:39 PM  

CrazyCracka420: I would be really pissed off at the people who brutally murdered the policeman as well...but to go on a rampage against Muslims and any non-whites is not helping matters.  It's only making things worse...


It would be like attacking any white kid with a crew cut after Tim McVeigh blew up the govt building in Arkansas
 
2013-05-29 12:27:07 PM  
Mr_Fabulous:
Good god, man... why are you expecting high-minded, ACLU-style "principle" from those Anon farktards?

Lulz. Nothing but lulz. That is the only principle they believe in. Period.


That used to be the case.  Anonymous has been compromised as a brand and is used by anyone covering their tracks these days.  It was a decent enough idea, but now it is a blade without a handle.  This isn't really for the lulz, but moreso a 'social justice' stance by a group that took on the brand identity of Anonymous to gain support with the Internet community.  Slap a Guy Fawkes mask and some memes into your hacking and half of the Internet using populace will rise in arms for you.

Anonymous has become the way to go if you're doing anything clandestine or focused around 'social justice'.   Public shaming if frowned upon unless you do it with a few jpgs and a spouting of random copypasta.
 
2013-05-29 12:27:41 PM  
English Defence League sounds like a sports group in favor of cricket.
 
2013-05-29 12:31:34 PM  

I Ate Shergar: PhDemented: Wait until the Defense League of England gets involved

They're too busy with their feud with the League of English Defenders to get involved.


They're trying to get the LED out?
 
2013-05-29 12:32:20 PM  

give me doughnuts: I Ate Shergar: PhDemented: Wait until the Defense League of England gets involved

They're too busy with their feud with the League of English Defenders to get involved.

Was that the movie where Sean Connery played Alan Quartermain?


Allan Quatermain.

Two Ls, no R.
 
2013-05-29 12:34:18 PM  
are you somehow implying that the desire to not turn over the country and empire your ancestors built and not let your culture be subsumed by a bunch of religious freaks from a  place with nary a hospital or school or even plumbing or electricity is somehow wrong, article submission guy ?
 
2013-05-29 12:34:54 PM  
No mention yet of Muslamic Ray-Guns?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1jDcAHkc8
 
2013-05-29 12:35:10 PM  

hardinparamedic: The simple fact that most of these people do what they do because they are anonymous. If you notice, the entire crux of the EDL is that they wear masks to appear as faceless bastions of the last true white englishman. Basically, the EDL is an English version of the Klan, and the masks serve the same purpose.


Perhaps you are thinking of a different group.

The members of the EDL that I watched protest and fight outside the US Embassy awhile back were in no way masked.  A brief glance back at the youtube videos shows that the only masked people present were the counter-crusader (islamic) protestors.

There is an abundance of negative things you can say about the EDL, but I don't think anonymity is one of their tactics.
 
2013-05-29 12:37:54 PM  

cman: Egoy3k: Anonymous seems to pretty good at coming down on the 'right' side of most issues. I hope that this trend continues because god help us if it doesn't.

Several also believe that Newtown was an inside job by Obama to take their guns


You think that anyone who doesn't post with their real name on the internet is a de facto member of the group 'Anonymous?'   Or maybe you are unaware that the word 'anonymous' was originally an adjective.
 
2013-05-29 12:40:00 PM  
GO GET EM!! im glad someone is finally going after those who behead innocents on the streets in the name of an imaginary sky wizard.
 
2013-05-29 12:40:29 PM  

InitialCommentGuy: Slap a Guy Fawkes mask and some memes into your hacking and half of the Internet using populace will rise in arms for you.



So ... anonymous has its own personal army?
 
2013-05-29 12:40:34 PM  
So, Anon, a group that operates the way it does because nobody knows who they are, uncovered the ID of people they disagree with because they don't want them to be able to operate they way THEY do...

"We are hypocrites...  expect us."
 
2013-05-29 12:43:37 PM  

The WindowLicker: hardinparamedic: The simple fact that most of these people do what they do because they are anonymous. If you notice, the entire crux of the EDL is that they wear masks to appear as faceless bastions of the last true white englishman. Basically, the EDL is an English version of the Klan, and the masks serve the same purpose.

Perhaps you are thinking of a different group.

The members of the EDL that I watched protest and fight outside the US Embassy awhile back were in no way masked.  A brief glance back at the youtube videos shows that the only masked people present were the counter-crusader (islamic) protestors.

There is an abundance of negative things you can say about the EDL, but I don't think anonymity is one of their tactics.


Facts are not important when hate is in the air.
RAMPAGE!!!!
 
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