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2013-05-29 08:18:58 AM  
If you believe abortion is murder this is true.  On one hand you have a mass genocide, on the other you have a smaller number of boys being rogered.
 
2013-05-29 08:23:44 AM  

EvilEgg: If you believe abortion is murder this is true.  On one hand you have a mass genocide, on the other you have a smaller number of boys being rogered.


Granted....

Many people will still think you are a dick though.
 
2013-05-29 08:32:57 AM  

EvilEgg: If you believe abortion is murder this is true.  On one hand you have a mass genocide, on the other you have a smaller number of boys being rogered.


It's not genocide. That has irked me ever since those stupid people came to campus; if ever I had wished we were trying to eliminate "the unwanted" as a class, it was then.
 
2013-05-29 08:39:11 AM  
Man, they really like to rape young boys, don't they?
 
2013-05-29 08:49:28 AM  
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2013-05-29 08:50:55 AM  

EvilEgg: If you believe abortion is murder this is true.  On one hand you have a mass genocide, on the other you have a smaller number of boys being rogered.


And that's how you know they are cowards.

They think a genocide is being committed but all they can do is wave dumbass signs.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-29 08:54:14 AM  
Aarontology:
They think a genocide is being committed but all they can do is wave dumbass signs.

Maybe some do, but I think it's a political football for most.
 
2013-05-29 09:06:38 AM  
Memo to Cardinal Pell:

Dante's Divine Comedy is fictional.  The afterlife is not structured like a prison.  Sin is sin.
 
2013-05-29 09:16:26 AM  

vpb: Maybe some do, but I think it's a political football for most.


Probably. More money comes in from drumming up fear than solving problems.
 
2013-05-29 09:24:25 AM  

Diogenes: Sin is sin.


Really?
And just how do you define "sin"?
 
2013-05-29 09:26:11 AM  

give me doughnuts: Diogenes: Sin is sin.

Really?
And just how do you define "sin"?


Don't ask me.  It's their book. Which I apparently comprehend better than they do.
 
2013-05-29 09:27:24 AM  

give me doughnuts: Diogenes: Sin is sin.

Really?
And just how do you define "sin"?


Given the context of a religious discussion, probably the Bible. I don't recall anything in there saying "But verily, ye may ignore the cries of the children and aid the wicked who attack them for there are greater crimes" for example.
 
2013-05-29 09:31:17 AM  

Diogenes: give me doughnuts: Diogenes: Sin is sin.

Really?
And just how do you define "sin"?

Don't ask me.  It's their book. Which I apparently comprehend better than they do.



Aarontology: give me doughnuts: Diogenes: Sin is sin.

Really?
And just how do you define "sin"?

Given the context of a religious discussion, probably the Bible. I don't recall anything in there saying "But verily, ye may ignore the cries of the children and aid the wicked who attack them for there are greater crimes" for example.


I think I'll go with Heinlein:  "Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other sins are invented nonsense."
 
2013-05-29 09:35:51 AM  

give me doughnuts: I think I'll go with Heinlein: "Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other sins are invented nonsense."


Yes, but that doesn't allow for massive amounts of control through fear of divine retribution.
 
2013-05-29 09:39:20 AM  

Aarontology: give me doughnuts: I think I'll go with Heinlein: "Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other sins are invented nonsense."

Yes, but that doesn't allow for massive amounts of control through fear of divine retribution.


I dunno.  "Unnecessarily" would seem to give douchebags like this plenty of wiggle room to justify their hateful behavior.
 
2013-05-29 09:40:36 AM  
Why are we comparing them in the first place?
 
2013-05-29 09:41:07 AM  

give me doughnuts: Diogenes: Sin is sin.

Really?
And just how do you define "sin"?


Opposite over hypotenuse.
 
2013-05-29 09:41:18 AM  

Aarontology: They think a genocide is being committed but all they can do is wave dumbass signs.


Well, some people are doing considerably more than sign-waving...
 
2013-05-29 09:42:00 AM  
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2013-05-29 09:42:40 AM  

ib_thinkin: if ever I had wished we were trying to eliminate "the unwanted" as a class, it was then.


It seems to me that abortion is the elimination of "the unwanted" as a class.
 
2013-05-29 09:43:02 AM  
Of course the priests are anti-abortion. Abortions mean fewer children for them to molest.
 
2013-05-29 09:43:11 AM  
Religion and Politics always fark things up
 
2013-05-29 09:43:55 AM  
The church is just pissed because abortion cuts down the available kids left to diddle.
 
2013-05-29 09:44:21 AM  
I been saying for years that they need to show a partial birth abortion on prime TV during dinner hours so that people can see what they are endorsing.
 
2013-05-29 09:44:27 AM  

kregh99: Why are we comparing them in the first place?


Because why even bother dealing with the epidemic of priests raping children when someone, somewhere could possibly get an abortion?
 
2013-05-29 09:44:36 AM  

Cythraul: Man, they really like to rape young boys, don't they?


The Gelgamek vagina is three feet wide and filled with razor-sharp teeth. Do you really expect us to have sex with them?!
 
2013-05-29 09:45:06 AM  

EvilEgg: If you believe abortion is murder this is true.  On one hand you have a mass genocide, on the other you have a smaller number of boys being rogered.


If you look at it from a point of view of amount of suffering inflicted it's not even close.   It also shows the true evil of the church's views.
 
2013-05-29 09:45:25 AM  

Aarontology: EvilEgg: If you believe abortion is murder this is true.  On one hand you have a mass genocide, on the other you have a smaller number of boys being rogered.

And that's how you know they are cowards.

They think a genocide is being committed but all they can do is wave dumbass signs.


Or shoot doctors in church.
 
2013-05-29 09:45:32 AM  

Aarontology: EvilEgg: If you believe abortion is murder this is true.  On one hand you have a mass genocide, on the other you have a smaller number of boys being rogered.

And that's how you know they are cowards.

They think a genocide is being committed but all they can do is wave dumbass signs.


It's an interesting point: Believing abortion to be murder yet not taking it as justification for a just war seems hypocritical.
 
2013-05-29 09:46:07 AM  

Diogenes: Memo to Cardinal Pell:

Dante's Divine Comedy is fictional.  The afterlife is not structured like a prison.  Sin is sin.


Not if you're a catholic. There are mortal sins (send you to the fiery place unless you confess before snuffing it) and venial sins (penance required, here or in purgatory).
 
2013-05-29 09:46:19 AM  
FTFA: "horrendous, widespread mess that we are sitting on.."

/o really?
 
2013-05-29 09:46:30 AM  

Gentoolive: I been saying for years that they need to show a partial birth abortion on prime TV during dinner hours so that people can see what they are endorsing.


How about open-heart surgery? Sounds equally grotesque to me.
 
2013-05-29 09:46:52 AM  

Aarontology: give me doughnuts: I think I'll go with Heinlein: "Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other sins are invented nonsense."

Yes, but that doesn't allow for massive amounts of control through fear of divine retribution.


Do you mean something like: "Do what I say or my Boss will beat you up*" ?

*= Send you to Hell

among other things


Diogenes: I dunno. "Unnecessarily" would seem to give douchebags like this plenty of wiggle room to justify their hateful behavior.


Also, ^^^THIS^^^
 
2013-05-29 09:46:53 AM  
Well, Dude, that would be, like, your opinion.

I know, lets look for guidance from an ancient novel of some kind.
There are several to choose from and that guy says he speaks for Jebus.
 
2013-05-29 09:47:07 AM  

Gentoolive: I been saying for years that they need to show a partial birth abortion on prime TV during dinner hours so that people can see what they are endorsing.


They should also air the story behind that abortion and explain that we live in an imperfect world.
 
2013-05-29 09:47:22 AM  
I had an abortion. My unborn fetus now suffers such psychological damage, it can barely function in society. He/she has trust issues with adults, terrible guilt thinking it's THEIR fault they were aborted, and  now is acting out with self destructive behavior. It really is a moral scandal.
 
2013-05-29 09:47:23 AM  
If you don't support access to reliable birth control, you don't really have the right to complain about women getting abortions.
 
2013-05-29 09:47:58 AM  

orbister: Diogenes: Memo to Cardinal Pell:

Dante's Divine Comedy is fictional.  The afterlife is not structured like a prison.  Sin is sin.

Not if you're a catholic. There are mortal sins (send you to the fiery place unless you confess before snuffing it) and venial sins (penance required, here or in purgatory).


couldn't you just chose to not be catholic then? maybe give it up for Lent.
 
2013-05-29 09:48:16 AM  
 Since the Catholic Church has for millenia found convenient and easy ways to condone WAR (regrettable but necessary at times, not to be encouraged, but not a sin) then it strikes me that it isn't trying very hard at all if it can't figure out how deciding NOT to be pregnant (flushing a ball of unwanted cells from your body) can't be categorized off as "not murder".

Since any common sense thinking person can see that difference and FEEL the difference quite clearly - all they're doing is looking like a bunch of out-of-touch cruel dumbasses.
 
2013-05-29 09:48:23 AM  

Slam Dunkz: EvilEgg: If you believe abortion is murder this is true.  On one hand you have a mass genocide, on the other you have a smaller number of boys being rogered.

If you look at it from a point of view of amount of suffering inflicted it's not even close.   It also shows the true evil of the church's views.


The upper estimate for the number of abused was what, 100k?

Just assuming that for a moment, how much more suffering do you think abuse is versus abortion? 10x, 100x, 1000x, 10000x?
 
2013-05-29 09:48:25 AM  

mbillips: Gentoolive: I been saying for years that they need to show a partial birth abortion on prime TV during dinner hours so that people can see what they are endorsing.

How about open-heart surgery? Sounds equally grotesque to me.


Or a Hellfire missile hitting innocent children.
 
2013-05-29 09:48:47 AM  

Gentoolive: I been saying for years that they need to show a partial birth abortion on prime TV during dinner hours so that people can see what they are endorsing.


Yep, I for one am pro-choice because I favor partial-birth abortions.  In all cases.  You know, the ones that are already illegal anyways.  Stop being retarded.

/Took the bait, I know.
 
2013-05-29 09:49:18 AM  

Babbs: I had an abortion. My unborn fetus now suffers such psychological damage, it can barely function in society. He/she has trust issues with adults, terrible guilt thinking it's THEIR fault they were aborted, and  now is acting out with self destructive behavior. It really is a moral scandal.


That's not the worst thing I've ever read, but it comes pretty close. Brava!
 
2013-05-29 09:49:32 AM  

Cythraul: Man, they really like to rape young boys, don't they?


No, they yelled surprise first.
 
2013-05-29 09:49:43 AM  

Nurglitch: Aarontology: EvilEgg: If you believe abortion is murder this is true.  On one hand you have a mass genocide, on the other you have a smaller number of boys being rogered.

And that's how you know they are cowards.

They think a genocide is being committed but all they can do is wave dumbass signs.

It's an interesting point: Believing abortion to be murder yet not taking it as justification for a just war seems hypocritical.


Murderers are exonerated on technicalities all the time. How many of them have you vigilante-killed? Maybe murder isn't necessarily a terribly rational response to murder. For the record, I'm a nihilist, so I don't care if every pregnant woman on the planet gets abortions until the human race dies. I just don't think that it's necessarily hypocritical to refrain from murder when your claim is that murder is wrong.
 
hej
2013-05-29 09:49:55 AM  
I can see their point.  Abortion does leave fewer young people for priests to abuse.
 
2013-05-29 09:50:04 AM  

mbillips: Gentoolive: I been saying for years that they need to show a partial birth abortion on prime TV during dinner hours so that people can see what they are endorsing.

How about open-heart surgery? Sounds equally grotesque to me.


Or the full horrors of war uncensored: bloody stumps, holes where faces used to be, the mangled bodies of women and children when a bomb goes off target. That might be a fair trade actually.
 
2013-05-29 09:50:21 AM  
Statements like this really make me think I need to sit down and write the history of abortion article I've had in my head for ages now. Nicely sourced, annotated etc. For starters, abortion is one of the oldest documented medical procedures there is. The use of abortifactants is documented even earlier. And it's known they were used all over the place well before Jesus showed up. Speaking of which, Jewish law in Jesus' day allowed for abortions if a woman's health was compromised or at risk by her continuing to be pregnant. Up to what point in the pregnancy were they allowed? Any point. Oh and per Jewish law if a woman's life was threatened by continuing her pregnancy, not only could she have an abortion, she would have an abortion. There wasn't much wiggle room on this point, her existing life was seen as having priority over the potential life of the unborn. What's this have to do with Jesus? He would've known what the law says about abortion and he never said a word about it, yet commented on much else in the law. And the early Christian opposition to abortion had nothing to do with any sort of informed moral decision, it had to with opposing anything the Greeks and Romans approved of and also not knowing Jewish law and what Jesus did and didn't say about it.
 
2013-05-29 09:50:28 AM  

Aarontology: EvilEgg: If you believe abortion is murder this is true.  On one hand you have a mass genocide, on the other you have a smaller number of boys being rogered.

And that's how you know they are cowards.

They think a genocide is being committed but all they can do is wave dumbass signs.


More than 30 percent of pregnancies are aborted naturally, but they don't seem to be concerned about that "holocaust."  "God" is the biggest abortionist out there.
 
2013-05-29 09:50:52 AM  

untaken_name: Nurglitch: Aarontology: EvilEgg: If you believe abortion is murder this is true.  On one hand you have a mass genocide, on the other you have a smaller number of boys being rogered.

And that's how you know they are cowards.

They think a genocide is being committed but all they can do is wave dumbass signs.

It's an interesting point: Believing abortion to be murder yet not taking it as justification for a just war seems hypocritical.

Murderers are exonerated on technicalities all the time. How many of them have you vigilante-killed? Maybe murder isn't necessarily a terribly rational response to murder. For the record, I'm a nihilist, so I don't care if every pregnant woman on the planet gets abortions until the human race dies. I just don't think that it's necessarily hypocritical to refrain from murder when your claim is that murder is wrong.


Say what you will about the tenets of the Catholic Church, but at least it's an ethos.
 
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