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2013-05-30 10:41:35 AM
Ya, it's happening... starting in 2014 you can be a cannabis tourist to Colorado.
1/4 Oz purchases per transaction, 1 Oz per person limit.
Prices: About 20% less than the rest of the country
Quality: Depends - Lots of variety - Especially hash - the buds are a bit stale (dry) due to over-supply

Wonder why everyone talks about CO, instead of Washington though.  They passed the same laws.
 
2013-05-30 11:13:20 AM
I'm still confused by all this. Isn't the federal government still targeting pot producers? Are people going to feel safe to go about their business in CO and WA?
 
2013-05-30 11:16:29 AM
Why only an ounce?  There's no limit to the amount of beer/wine/hard liquor that an individual can own....why only an ounce?   And why can you only have 3 plants flowering at once but you can own six??   That seems unnecessary and stupid.  And also, "Blood levels of marijuana during driving have been established and the legal limit for drivers will be 5 nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood. "  what the fark does this mean?   How many joints/hits from my bong can I take before I reach this legal limit?

/obviously, I like to smoke.
 
2013-05-30 11:26:25 AM

coco ebert: I'm still confused by all this. Isn't the federal government still targeting pot producers? Are people going to feel safe to go about their business in CO and WA?


Unfortunately that's going to be one of the biggest hurdles. It's illegal status at a federal level means most banks and credit card companies won't do business with anyone involved with marijuana (because they don't want the federal government in their business), which means most transactions will be cash only. They are also being taxed on gross income, not net, thanks to IRS Code Section 280E, which precludes deductions for any business trafficking in a controlled substance.
 
2013-05-30 11:40:53 AM

scottydoesntknow: taxed on gross income, not net, thanks to IRS Code Section 280E, which precludes deductions for any business trafficking in a controlled substance.


Not quiet true, there is the CHAMP loophole:

In 2005, the IRS audited the San Francisco dispensary Californians Helping to Alleviate Medical Problems (CHAMP), which successfully argued in court that 280E should apply only to a small fraction of its business that dealt directly with the sale of marijuana. CHAMP primarily served terminally ill AIDS patients and argued that most of its resources went towards counseling and other "caregiving services."
 
2013-05-30 11:43:17 AM

NostroZ: Ya, it's happening... starting in 2014 you can be a cannabis tourist to Colorado.
1/4 Oz purchases per transaction, 1 Oz per person limit.
Prices: About 20% less than the rest of the country
Quality: Depends - Lots of variety - Especially hash - the buds are a bit stale (dry) due to over-supply

Wonder why everyone talks about CO, instead of Washington though.  They passed the same laws.


This is great news... now i won't have to buy that expensive ticket to Amsterdam.
 
2013-05-30 11:52:18 AM

coco ebert: I'm still confused by all this. Isn't the federal government still targeting pot producers? Are people going to feel safe to go about their business in CO and WA?


Without the support of the local agency's the feds will have a uphill battle enforcing any policies.  They may even have trouble housing anyone they arrest.  In truth the DEA is a useless agency whose funding would better be used if given out to local law enforcement.
 
2013-05-30 11:53:20 AM

NostroZ: scottydoesntknow: taxed on gross income, not net, thanks to IRS Code Section 280E, which precludes deductions for any business trafficking in a controlled substance.

Not quiet true, there is the CHAMP loophole:

In 2005, the IRS audited the San Francisco dispensary Californians Helping to Alleviate Medical Problems (CHAMP), which successfully argued in court that 280E should apply only to a small fraction of its business that dealt directly with the sale of marijuana. CHAMP primarily served terminally ill AIDS patients and argued that most of its resources went towards counseling and other "caregiving services."


Ahh that's good at least.
 
2013-05-30 11:55:25 AM

Darth Skywalker: NostroZ: Ya, it's happening... starting in 2014 you can be a cannabis tourist to Colorado.
1/4 Oz purchases per transaction, 1 Oz per person limit.
Prices: About 20% less than the rest of the country
Quality: Depends - Lots of variety - Especially hash - the buds are a bit stale (dry) due to over-supply

Wonder why everyone talks about CO, instead of Washington though.  They passed the same laws.

This is great news... now i won't have to buy that expensive ticket to Amsterdam.


Yup, Amsterdam prices are ridiculous too.  It's supply/demand, Europe is a small continent compared to the USA, we have a lot more space to grow the stuff.

Just make sure you don't jump the gun and go this year, they are not ready for tourists yet.
You'll still have to find someone with the RedCard and hook you up the old fashion way.
In 2014 all the head shops will be selling, that's when all the oversight for recreational use will be put in place.
 
2013-05-30 12:03:36 PM

raerae1980: Why only an ounce?  There's no limit to the amount of beer/wine/hard liquor that an individual can own....why only an ounce?   And why can you only have 3 plants flowering at once but you can own six??   That seems unnecessary and stupid.  And also, "Blood levels of marijuana during driving have been established and the legal limit for drivers will be 5 nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood. "  what the fark does this mean?   How many joints/hits from my bong can I take before I reach this legal limit?

/obviously, I like to smoke.


You don't know and neither does anyone else.  It's an arbitrary limit and depends on your body type, how often you smoke, how long ago you smoked, etc.

Also, it must be done by a medical professional, so an officer cannot just syringe you, they have to wait for a licensed medical professional to come.  Effectively, it was put in to placate the right wing, oh my god, think of the children crowd... it will likely be struck down in courts in due time.
 
2013-05-30 01:31:11 PM
Ski trip, early next year. Book it, done.
 
2013-05-30 01:34:45 PM

NostroZ: raerae1980: Why only an ounce?  There's no limit to the amount of beer/wine/hard liquor that an individual can own....why only an ounce?   And why can you only have 3 plants flowering at once but you can own six??   That seems unnecessary and stupid.  And also, "Blood levels of marijuana during driving have been established and the legal limit for drivers will be 5 nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood. "  what the fark does this mean?   How many joints/hits from my bong can I take before I reach this legal limit?

/obviously, I like to smoke.

You don't know and neither does anyone else.  It's an arbitrary limit and depends on your body type, how often you smoke, how long ago you smoked, etc.

Also, it must be done by a medical professional, so an officer cannot just syringe you, they have to wait for a licensed medical professional to come.  Effectively, it was put in to placate the right wing, oh my god, think of the children crowd... it will likely be struck down in courts in due time.


I still think it would be a good idea within the movement to discourage driving while stoned. I've smoked a couple times and using my fully fledged adult-hood status to make the judgement, I can say unequivocally that my driving would be seriously impaired if I did it while stoned.
 
2013-05-30 02:11:31 PM

SurfaceTension: NostroZ: raerae1980: Why only an ounce?  There's no limit to the amount of beer/wine/hard liquor that an individual can own....why only an ounce?   And why can you only have 3 plants flowering at once but you can own six??   That seems unnecessary and stupid.  And also, "Blood levels of marijuana during driving have been established and the legal limit for drivers will be 5 nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood. "  what the fark does this mean?   How many joints/hits from my bong can I take before I reach this legal limit?

/obviously, I like to smoke.

You don't know and neither does anyone else.  It's an arbitrary limit and depends on your body type, how often you smoke, how long ago you smoked, etc.

Also, it must be done by a medical professional, so an officer cannot just syringe you, they have to wait for a licensed medical professional to come.  Effectively, it was put in to placate the right wing, oh my god, think of the children crowd... it will likely be struck down in courts in due time.

I still think it would be a good idea within the movement to discourage driving while stoned. I've smoked a couple times and using my fully fledged adult-hood status to make the judgement, I can say unequivocally that my driving would be seriously impaired if I did it while stoned.


Yeah me too.  I drive a lot better drunk than I do stoned.
 
2013-05-30 02:16:16 PM

NostroZ: scottydoesntknow: taxed on gross income, not net, thanks to IRS Code Section 280E, which precludes deductions for any business trafficking in a controlled substance.

Not quiet true, there is the CHAMP loophole:

In 2005, the IRS audited the San Francisco dispensary Californians Helping to Alleviate Medical Problems (CHAMP), which successfully argued in court that 280E should apply only to a small fraction of its business that dealt directly with the sale of marijuana. CHAMP primarily served terminally ill AIDS patients and argued that most of its resources went towards counseling and other "caregiving services."


But given that these will have almost nothing to do with medical care (instead of straight sales), it most likely will not apply
 
2013-05-30 02:18:12 PM
Shouldn't the tag be spliffy?
 
2013-05-30 02:18:22 PM
 
2013-05-30 02:20:09 PM

raerae1980: Why only an ounce?  There's no limit to the amount of beer/wine/hard liquor that an individual can own....why only an ounce?   And why can you only have 3 plants flowering at once but you can own six??   That seems unnecessary and stupid.  And also, "Blood levels of marijuana during driving have been established and the legal limit for drivers will be 5 nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood. "  what the fark does this mean?   How many joints/hits from my bong can I take before I reach this legal limit?

/obviously, I like to smoke.


I'd guess that Colorado looked at the homebrewing laws. There's no limit to the amount of wine I can own, but I can only make 100 gallons a year for myself, or 200 for my household. Same with beer.

Why? No good reason, it's arbitrary. They felt like they needed to put the limit somewhere, and decided that was good. If I made 4 gallons of wine a week, that would come out to 208 gallons and change. Would the BATF come busting down my door? No, probably not. There's almost no chance they'd even notice. If they somehow did, the worst I'd expect is a "knock it back" letter, or maybe a quiet visit from an agent. Now, if I ramped up production to 2,000 gallons a year? Different story. They don't assume that's for personal use.

So, if you're growing in CO, and you have a 7th plant, it's probably not going to be a big deal. If a consumer has an ounce and a half of buds? Probably not an issue. If your home grow operation is 50 plants, though? They're going to frown on that. An individual driving around with a pound of weed? Again, probably not just for personal use.
 
2013-05-30 02:20:53 PM

SurfaceTension: NostroZ: raerae1980: Why only an ounce?  There's no limit to the amount of beer/wine/hard liquor that an individual can own....why only an ounce?   And why can you only have 3 plants flowering at once but you can own six??   That seems unnecessary and stupid.  And also, "Blood levels of marijuana during driving have been established and the legal limit for drivers will be 5 nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood. "  what the fark does this mean?   How many joints/hits from my bong can I take before I reach this legal limit?

/obviously, I like to smoke.

You don't know and neither does anyone else.  It's an arbitrary limit and depends on your body type, how often you smoke, how long ago you smoked, etc.

Also, it must be done by a medical professional, so an officer cannot just syringe you, they have to wait for a licensed medical professional to come.  Effectively, it was put in to placate the right wing, oh my god, think of the children crowd... it will likely be struck down in courts in due time.

I still think it would be a good idea within the movement to discourage driving while stoned. I've smoked a couple times and using my fully fledged adult-hood status to make the judgement, I can say unequivocally that my driving would be seriously impaired if I did it while stoned.


you need more practice.

5 nanograms is low. If I recall correctly folks who smoke daily or medical users have higher than 5 nanograms just walking around.
 
2013-05-30 02:22:30 PM

Astorix: Shouldn't the tag be spliffy?


3 mins too late.
 
2013-05-30 02:26:08 PM
tyranny by any other name is STILL TYRANNY!
 
2013-05-30 02:27:13 PM

bdub77: Ski trip, early next year. Book it, done.


And you'll skip the skiing... amirite?
 
2013-05-30 02:29:50 PM
I've been seriously considering moving to Colorado. Beautiful scenery and legal pot is pretty tempting.
 
2013-05-30 02:33:15 PM

NostroZ: Ya, it's happening... starting in 2014 you can be a cannabis tourist to Colorado.
1/4 Oz purchases per transaction, 1 Oz per person limit.
Prices: About 20% less than the rest of the country
Quality: Depends - Lots of variety - Especially hash - the buds are a bit stale (dry) due to over-supply

Wonder why everyone talks about CO, instead of Washington though.  They passed the same laws.


Washington legalized weed but the framework is quite different. While the way Washington did it is stupid, Colorado got it mostly right. They're proceeding to fark it all up before too long though.
 
2013-05-30 02:33:37 PM

raerae1980: Why only an ounce?  There's no limit to the amount of beer/wine/hard liquor that an individual can own....why only an ounce?   And why can you only have 3 plants flowering at once but you can own six??   That seems unnecessary and stupid.  And also, "Blood levels of marijuana during driving have been established and the legal limit for drivers will be 5 nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood. "  what the fark does this mean?   How many joints/hits from my bong can I take before I reach this legal limit?

/obviously, I like to smoke.



Governor Hickey and the rest of the legislature are actually handling it quite responsibly.  He's quoted in the article saying "recreational marijuana really is new territory" and it really is true.  They're trying to change a major issue and do it in a way that makes people comfortable with the change.  The laws may not be the best, but they're a good starting point.  After a year or three, they can evaluate how the laws are working and make changes from there.
 
2013-05-30 02:33:55 PM
This needs a "spliffy" tag.
 
2013-05-30 02:35:40 PM
does anyone know how much you'd need and for how long it would keep your blood levels above 5 nanograms per milliliter? Not that i live in CO, just curious.
 
2013-05-30 02:40:13 PM
Wow.  Completely sensible legislation.  The only thing that looks questionable is the driving limit, but what's the alternative?  It's a difficult thing to gauge.
 
2013-05-30 02:42:03 PM

SurfaceTension: I still think it would be a good idea within the movement to discourage driving while stoned. I've smoked a couple times and using my fully fledged adult-hood status to make the judgement, I can say unequivocally that my driving would be seriously impaired if I did it while stoned.


That's you, buddy.

You might also be drunk off one beer... I'm Russian, my tolerance is a bit different.
 
2013-05-30 02:42:53 PM

NostroZ: Effectively, it was put in to placate the right wing, oh my god, think of the children crowd... it will likely be struck down in courts in due time.


I'm not so sure. The Supreme Court has upheld DUI laws that violate the constitution, in the interest of "public safety". A cop cannot stop you, and search your vehicle for no reason, but an officer CAN stop you for no other reason than to check your blood for alcohol. But the SCOTUS said that the 4th ammandment violation is acceptable in the interest of "public safety". They didn't mention all the money local municipalities would lose if they outlawed the practice of DUI checkpoints...
 
2013-05-30 02:44:18 PM

ArkAngel: But given that these will have almost nothing to do with medical care (instead of straight sales), it most likely will not apply


Right, you've got to bundle it with something else and make that the main focus of the business.  Otherwise, just get ready to under-represent sales (not too hard with cash and a perishable good like cannabis), or you will not be able to compete/stay in business (since the IRS does not treat your operations as a legitimate business, and hence, NOTHING can be deducted from sales... it's though everything is pure profit, the way they tax it right now)
 
2013-05-30 02:46:22 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: NostroZ: Effectively, it was put in to placate the right wing, oh my god, think of the children crowd... it will likely be struck down in courts in due time.

I'm not so sure. The Supreme Court has upheld DUI laws that violate the constitution, in the interest of "public safety". A cop cannot stop you, and search your vehicle for no reason, but an officer CAN stop you for no other reason than to check your blood for alcohol. But the SCOTUS said that the 4th ammandment violation is acceptable in the interest of "public safety". They didn't mention all the money local municipalities would lose if they outlawed the practice of DUI checkpoints...


Good point, I'm an optimist when it comes to personal liberty in this country.
 
2013-05-30 02:46:58 PM

drworm: does anyone know how much you'd need and for how long it would keep your blood levels above 5 nanograms per milliliter? Not that i live in CO, just curious.


Here is some research:

http://philly.barstoolsports.com/around-barstool/seattle-cbs-affilia te -finds-three-people-gets-them-high-as-hell-then-records-their-driving- in-maybe-the-greatest-local-news-segment-of-2013-so-far/
 
2013-05-30 02:53:27 PM

NostroZ: Ya, it's happening... starting in 2014

Wonder why everyone talks about CO, instead of Washington though.  They passed the same laws.


Prolly 'cause Washington is trying to rewrite free enterprise, all in a bid to keep pot off the market through insane procedures. I don't know why we (yes, I live here..) aren't just putting pot on sale as an intoxicant, like alcohol, from any source that grows it. Alcohol control has all the necessary laws and safe-guards needed. We already have a dept of buzz, why do we need another? Treat alcohol and pot equally, and let's get ON with it. Any problem with pot can be controlled through the liquor laws. Even the limits to retail (wholesale being controlled by market forces) sales are in place.

/How can they presume to tell people how much they can grow?
//Colorado is doing it right, Washington ain't
 
2013-05-30 02:55:49 PM
Not much help, but I had urine tests done on me weekly for 3 months. I smoked hash daily before the testing started and stopped 3 days before it started. I had ~15-25ng/mL in my urine for the first 2 weeks. I didn't get below 5ng/mL until after the 4th week. I wonder what the difference is for blood.

Most info I found online says it should be around 5ng/mL after a few hours of smoking, but that wasn't the case for me. Maybe I smoked too much or metabolize it slowly or something.
 
2013-05-30 02:57:31 PM

jpat: Wow.  Completely sensible legislation.  The only thing that looks questionable is the driving limit, but what's the alternative?  It's a difficult thing to gauge.


Well (and this is based on nothing more than experience and friendships with a few cops), I think it's a case of "we needed to set the level somewhere" as much as anything.

I've been around very high people, and it's pretty easy to tell. Most of the cops that I know don't bother wth hassling people just for fun, they'd rather stick to actually stopping serious crime.

All that being said, the cops I know are in cities, where there's more real crime to stop. Are there going to be some small-town Colorado cops who abuse this law? Yep. Just like there are rral cops who will arrest anyone who admits to drinking a single drink for DUI. Remember, the cop can determine you're impaired, even if you don't blow a .08. .08 just means the judge will no-doubt presume you were guilty.
 
2013-05-30 02:59:34 PM
Did the article mention at all that under the new laws magazine sellers are now required to keep High Times and other cannabis publications with the Hustlers behind the counter and not sell them to anyone under 21, or to otherwise remove them from their businesses completely?

Because that part is kinda f-ed up.
 
2013-05-30 03:00:05 PM

Mikeyworld: NostroZ: Ya, it's happening... starting in 2014

Wonder why everyone talks about CO, instead of Washington though.  They passed the same laws.

Prolly 'cause Washington is trying to rewrite free enterprise, all in a bid to keep pot off the market through insane procedures. I don't know why we (yes, I live here..) aren't just putting pot on sale as an intoxicant, like alcohol, from any source that grows it. Alcohol control has all the necessary laws and safe-guards needed. We already have a dept of buzz, why do we need another? Treat alcohol and pot equally, and let's get ON with it. Any problem with pot can be controlled through the liquor laws. Even the limits to retail (wholesale being controlled by market forces) sales are in place.

/How can they presume to tell people how much they can grow?
//Colorado is doing it right, Washington ain't


Yeah, they should treat it like alcohol if not closer to tobacco.
Since there is no such things as THC poisoning vs. alcohol, it's actually safer.
But we already knew this is not about safety or common sense.  This is about business and the fact that cannabis cuts in the alcohol/tobacco/pharmaceutical industry.
 
2013-05-30 03:01:30 PM

radarlove: Did the article mention at all that under the new laws magazine sellers are now required to keep High Times and other cannabis publications with the Hustlers behind the counter and not sell them to anyone under 21, or to otherwise remove them from their businesses completely?

Because that part is kinda f-ed up.


No, they did not mention this... it's a ground breaking law, one can only hope these weird additions will go away, not be increased.
 
2013-05-30 03:05:47 PM

NostroZ: radarlove: Did the article mention at all that under the new laws magazine sellers are now required to keep High Times and other cannabis publications with the Hustlers behind the counter and not sell them to anyone under 21, or to otherwise remove them from their businesses completely?

Because that part is kinda f-ed up.

No, they did not mention this... it's a ground breaking law, one can only hope these weird additions will go away, not be increased.


Agreed-  High Times and a couple of other publishers have already filed suit against the state over this, and I hope they win.  You wanna put a stranglehold on the herb, fine, I get that.  But removing non-pornographic material from the general marketplace is censorship and a violation of freedom of press.
 
2013-05-30 03:07:46 PM

argylez: jfivealive: Yeah me too. I drive a lot better drunk than I do stoned.

2/10?

This is informative: http://philly.barstoolsports.com/around-barstool/seattle-cbs-affiliat e -finds-three-people-gets-them-high-as-hell-then-records-their-driving- in-maybe-the-greatest-local-news-segment-of-2013-so-far/


Responsible journalism. They fail at it.
 
2013-05-30 03:10:41 PM

radarlove: NostroZ: radarlove: Did the article mention at all that under the new laws magazine sellers are now required to keep High Times and other cannabis publications with the Hustlers behind the counter and not sell them to anyone under 21, or to otherwise remove them from their businesses completely?

Because that part is kinda f-ed up.

No, they did not mention this... it's a ground breaking law, one can only hope these weird additions will go away, not be increased.

Agreed-  High Times and a couple of other publishers have already filed suit against the state over this, and I hope they win.  You wanna put a stranglehold on the herb, fine, I get that.  But removing non-pornographic material from the general marketplace is censorship and a violation of freedom of press.


Honestly and personally, ever since I've known myself, I cannot for the life of me understand how victimless crimes are crimes.
Just makes no sense.  If I own my body, don't I chose what to do with it?

How can I file suit against myself?
The state is victimless too... same goes for seat belt laws, prostitution (without pimping), and so on.

Politicians speak of the slippery slope effect, but the actual examples of countries like Portugal with no drug laws speaks otherwise.
 
2013-05-30 03:12:01 PM

argylez: drworm: does anyone know how much you'd need and for how long it would keep your blood levels above 5 nanograms per milliliter? Not that i live in CO, just curious.

Here is some research:

http://philly.barstoolsports.com/around-barstool/seattle-cbs-affilia te -finds-three-people-gets-them-high-as-hell-then-records-their-driving- in-maybe-the-greatest-local-news-segment-of-2013-so-far/


That is indeed very interesting.  Addy is adorable too.

Having driven both drunk and stoned, I would pick stoned ANY day over drunk driving.  Driving drunk frightens me, but only after I've sobered up and realize just how close I came to either getting arrested or killing someone.  I never do it any more.

Driving while stoned is much more subjective: some days, even if I've smoked a lot, it doesn't affect my driving at all.  Other days, I couldn't imagine getting behind the wheel ... and I don't.  I tend to drive much more carefully and conscientiously when I'm stoned so as not to attract any unwanted attention.  I also don't look like a cops "typical" stoner so it's very unlikely that I would be pulled over unless I did something egregiously stupid.

That's really the key: don't do anything to make LEO stop you. Let the naturally-occurring paranoia flow through you and keep you safe.  If you have any doubts as to whether or not you can drive ... DON'T.
 
2013-05-30 03:12:53 PM
If you really want to get in the same county as "common sense", you have to weed out the bullchit lie that has become paradigm to so many idiots.
The plant and it's products are not alcohol, a central nervous system depressant and neurotoxin, not heroin, et. al.
Pot is not!
There is a history, denied to most ya'll, going back as far as records, caves and pyramids go.

Take the short cut to reality and forget all the crap manufactured by your Nannys for the past 80 years.
Marijuana is less toxic than water.
"Clean" drinking water.
 
2013-05-30 03:17:13 PM

snocone: If you really want to get in the same county as "common sense", you have to weed out the bullchit lie that has become paradigm to so many idiots.
The plant and it's products are not alcohol, a central nervous system depressant and neurotoxin, not heroin, et. al.
Pot is not!
There is a history, denied to most ya'll, going back as far as records, caves and pyramids go.

Take the short cut to reality and forget all the crap manufactured by your Nannys for the past 80 years.
Marijuana is less toxic than water.
"Clean" drinking water.


Cannabis has around 483 different known compounds, so yes, it's very different than alcohol.
I would not compare it to water, ever, since it grows from soil/sun/water... it's a byproduct of it.
 
2013-05-30 03:17:55 PM

Theory Of Null: I've been seriously considering moving to Colorado. Beautiful scenery and legal pot is pretty tempting.


As someone who already makes a living working in a greenhouse growing (legal) plants, I know what you mean. I'm tempted to look into moving there and trying to break into the professional growing business, but I would imagine it's still a very insular sector where one would need a lot of connections/references just to get a foot in the door.
 
2013-05-30 03:18:57 PM
SurfaceTension:
I still think it would be a good idea within the movement to discourage driving while stoned. I've smoked a couple times and using my fully fledged adult-hood status to make the judgement, I can say unequivocally that my driving would be seriously impaired if I did it while stoned.

I drive very well while stoned.   I just forget where I'm going.

Seriously though, while pot doesn't impair your coordination, reaction time or judgement, It does tend to make you zone out and drive on auto-pilot   ...although there have been times when the induced paranoia tends to make me more alert than usual.
 
2013-05-30 03:21:02 PM
So in other words they are trying to create artificial scarcity. Isn't that the crux of the drug problem in the first place?
 
2013-05-30 03:25:02 PM
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*hack-hack-cough*

www.buymarijuanaforsale.com

cannabismjseeds.com

www.legalbud.info

Makes my throat parched just lookin' at it.
Oh sure make fun of the old guy.  Just cause I haven't sparked one in .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  a looong time doesn't mean I don't miss it.

and yeah, hot as a fourth hit bowl.
 
2013-05-30 03:28:23 PM

mrlewish: So in other words they are trying to create artificial scarcity. Isn't that the crux of the drug problem in the first place?


This is just one of many fall back positions.
Get used to it.
History tells me there is only been one way citizenry has gotten what they wanted when they wanted it.
 
2013-05-30 03:29:22 PM

Marcintosh: WEED PORN THREAD!!1!!!!!!////-
*hack-hack-cough*

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Makes my throat parched just lookin' at it.
Oh sure make fun of the old guy.  Just cause I haven't sparked one in .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  a looong time doesn't mean I don't miss it.

and yeah, hot as a fourth hit bowl.


If you are burning that, you are wasting the very best parts.
Or, so a friend told me.
 
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