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2013-05-29 08:26:27 AM
Ummmm..   No.

Who did this survey?  The same ones that decided that 90% of all Americans want desperately to hand over their guns?

I think not.

Last "survey" I read said that "moms" were returning to the kitchen because there was too much stress in the workplace.

Survey says....."whatever survey creators want it to say".
 
2013-05-29 08:29:32 AM
This is a good thing because men have always been more proficient at making sammiches.
 
2013-05-29 08:29:43 AM
Ftfa: "While most are headed by single mothers"

Not to hard to be the breadwinner if you're the only one working.
 
2013-05-29 08:29:54 AM
The new normal.  With the resignation of our general counsel yesterday, I'm now the lone male executive at my agency (out of seven).  And the youngest, oddly enough.

/I wish my social worker wife would get the memo  (not really, she's great at what she does and loves it).
 
2013-05-29 08:33:48 AM
 
2013-05-29 08:34:19 AM

computerguyUT: Ummmm..   No.

Who did this survey?  The same ones that decided that 90% of all Americans want desperately to hand over their guns?

I think not.

Last "survey" I read said that "moms" were returning to the kitchen because there was too much stress in the workplace.

Survey says....."whatever survey creators want it to say".



A record 40% of all households with children under the age of 18 include mothers who are either the sole or primary source of income for the family, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of data from the U.S. Census Bureau. The share was just 11% in 1960. These "breadwinner moms" are made up of two very different groups: 5.1 million (37%) are married mothers who have a higher income than their husbands, and 8.6 million (63%) are single mothers.
 
2013-05-29 08:36:34 AM

debug: Ftfa: "While most are headed by single mothers"

Not to hard to be the breadwinner if you're the only one working.


Yay feminism!  Women can have and do it all!
 
2013-05-29 08:38:29 AM

TabASlotB: computerguyUT: Ummmm..   No.

Who did this survey?  The same ones that decided that 90% of all Americans want desperately to hand over their guns?

I think not.

Last "survey" I read said that "moms" were returning to the kitchen because there was too much stress in the workplace.

Survey says....."whatever survey creators want it to say".


A record 40% of all households with children under the age of 18 include mothers who are either the sole or primary source of income for the family, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of data from the U.S. Census Bureau. The share was just 11% in 1960. These "breadwinner moms" are made up of two very different groups: 5.1 million (37%) are married mothers who have a higher income than their husbands, and 8.6 million (63%) are single mothers.


To continue...the reactionary boobies actually has a point this time: if you look at page 3, approx. 23% of married mothers out-earn their husbands, which is very similar to the 23% that are more educated than their husbands.
 
2013-05-29 08:43:53 AM

TabASlotB: computerguyUT: Ummmm..   No.

Who did this survey?  The same ones that decided that 90% of all Americans want desperately to hand over their guns?

I think not.

Last "survey" I read said that "moms" were returning to the kitchen because there was too much stress in the workplace.

Survey says....."whatever survey creators want it to say".


A record 40% of all households with children under the age of 18 include mothers who are either the sole or primary source of income for the family, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of data from the U.S. Census Bureau. The share was just 11% in 1960. These "breadwinner moms" are made up of two very different groups: 5.1 million (37%) are married mothers who have a higher income than their husbands, and 8.6 million (63%) are single mothers.


csb
I know a pretty large number of single women in their late 30s who are adopting rather than to continue hoping to get married to have children. I wonder if that at all has anything to do with the trend for that large number for single mothers. If it is, I guess we would expect that number to continue to increase.
 
2013-05-29 08:49:03 AM

TabASlotB: computerguyUT: Ummmm..   No.

Who did this survey?  The same ones that decided that 90% of all Americans want desperately to hand over their guns?

I think not.

Last "survey" I read said that "moms" were returning to the kitchen because there was too much stress in the workplace.

Survey says....."whatever survey creators want it to say".


A record 40% of all households with children under the age of 18 include mothers who are either the sole or primary source of income for the family, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of data from the U.S. Census Bureau. The share was just 11% in 1960. These "breadwinner moms" are made up of two very different groups: 5.1 million (37%) are married mothers who have a higher income than their husbands, and 8.6 million (63%) are single mothers.


He's from Utah. Don't be too hard on the fool, he can't help his poor circumstances.
 
2013-05-29 08:49:33 AM
i have a job... but would gladly quit to become a house-husband for a woman willing to keep me in the lifestyle I've become accustomed to... which means i'll need beer money and cable w/ premium channels.
 
2013-05-29 08:53:37 AM
There is certainly a changing demographic in North America but the article plays fast and loose with the statistics to over emphasize the fact.

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
- Mark Twain
 
2013-05-29 08:55:35 AM

computerguyUT: Ummmm..   No.

Who did this survey?  The same ones that decided that 90% of all Americans want desperately to hand over their guns?

I think not.

Last "survey" I read said that "moms" were returning to the kitchen because there was too much stress in the workplace.

Survey says....."whatever survey creators want it to say".


Awesome debunking dude, totally legit.
 
2013-05-29 08:56:26 AM
biatch at men for being tough  and responsible and getting things done, then biatch when men are no longer allowed to do that. Today's world.
 
2013-05-29 08:58:48 AM

kbronsito: i have a job... but would gladly quit to become a house-husband for a woman willing to keep me in the lifestyle I've become accustomed to... which means i'll need beer money and cable w/ premium channels.


Hey if you can also cook and clean, and keep the bills paid on time, don't assume there's not a market for your services, ala "Hot Houseboy."
 
2013-05-29 09:00:33 AM

Thunderpipes: biatch at men for being tough  and responsible and getting things done, then biatch when men are no longer allowed to do that. Today's world.


That is totally what the article said! Way to study it out man.
 
2013-05-29 09:03:34 AM
As a man who married very well I can tell you it's pretty sweet. I can do only the work I like to do as much or as little as I want. It makes me a better employee at the places I choose to work. I'm there because I want to be not because I have to be.

Also, if I feel the company or boss or whoever is treating me unfairly I will not hesitate to quit. With extreme prejudice.

Oh the cool quitting stories I could tell you bro.

/I'm not rich, I'm free
//Same thing
 
2013-05-29 09:09:08 AM
1) BS.  It's not a fair comparison if you're including single-parent families.
2) Good.  The more blurring we have between traditional gender roles, the better.
 
2013-05-29 09:09:46 AM

WordyGrrl: kbronsito: i have a job... but would gladly quit to become a house-husband for a woman willing to keep me in the lifestyle I've become accustomed to... which means i'll need beer money and cable w/ premium channels.

Hey if you can also cook and clean, and keep the bills paid on time, don't assume there's not a market for your services, ala "Hot Houseboy."


i'll do cleaning and cooking... but i don't do ironing. So as long as she can afford to have her work clothes and my sexy maid uniforms dry cleaned, i'm availiable.
 
2013-05-29 09:14:28 AM

Tomahawk513: 1) BS.  It's not a fair comparison if you're including single-parent families.


Because they are not part of the workforce?
 
2013-05-29 09:18:03 AM

pkellmey: Tomahawk513: 1) BS.  It's not a fair comparison if you're including single-parent families.

Because they are not part of the workforce?


Because it's disingenuous to call someone or something the "primary [whatever]" if there's no one else in the running.  If Ford was the only company making cars, it would be ridiculous to call them the "Top-Selling Brand in America!"
 
2013-05-29 09:19:38 AM

Tomahawk513: pkellmey: Tomahawk513: 1) BS.  It's not a fair comparison if you're including single-parent families.

Because they are not part of the workforce?

Because it's disingenuous to call someone or something the "primary [whatever]" if there's no one else in the running.  If Ford was the only company making cars, it would be ridiculous to call them the "Top-Selling Brand in America!"


single fathers would be the other group in the running.
 
2013-05-29 09:20:20 AM

debug: Ftfa: "While most are headed by single mothers"

Not to hard to be the breadwinner if you're the only one working.


I wonder how many of these breadwinners are still taking half of their ex-husbands money and claiming they "earned it".
 
2013-05-29 09:20:34 AM

kbronsito: i have a job... but would gladly quit to become a house-husband for a woman willing to keep me in the lifestyle I've become accustomed to... which means i'll need beer money and cable w/ premium channels.


Better be able to make it to Mommy and Me gym classes, though.
 
2013-05-29 09:20:53 AM

computerguyUT: Last "survey" I read said that "moms" were returning to the kitchen because there was too much stress in the workplace.


Also, price-gouging day care/school prices. What's the point of working if you have to send your kid to a place that negates half of one parent's paycheck? Child care ain't cheap, I don't care where you sign up. I will happily quit and get back in the kitchen when if the hubby decides to finish school .........

TabASlotB: To continue...the reactionary boobies actually has a point this time: if you look at page 3, approx. 23% of married mothers out-earn their husbands, which is very similar to the 23% that are more educated than their husbands.


That'd be our household, thank you.
 
2013-05-29 09:22:11 AM

FLMountainMan: The new normal.  With the resignation of our general counsel yesterday, I'm now the lone male executive at my agency (out of seven).  And the youngest, oddly enough.


I also had a career in Florida state agencies, and witnessed the "rise of the matriarchy."  Which was cool with me, although I don't miss the endless amount of discussion and debate before any farking decisions were ever made.

/Go Noles
 
2013-05-29 09:22:29 AM

Kirzania: Also, price-gouging day care/school prices. What's the point of working if you have to send your kid to a place that negates half of one parent's paycheck? Child care ain't cheap, I don't care where you sign up. I will happily quit and get back in the kitchen when if the hubby decides to finish school .........


If you make more than your husband as it is then why not negotiate him staying home?
 
2013-05-29 09:24:36 AM
I married my wife thinking she would easily outearn me quickly, as she is a lawyer, and I'm just an IT guy. I so wanted to eventually become a househusband but it has been seven years now and I still make more money than her, even after she became junior partner. She sure is lucky she has nice legs and does anal.
 
2013-05-29 09:24:50 AM

kbronsito: i have a job... but would gladly quit to become a house-husband for a woman willing to keep me in the lifestyle I've become accustomed to... which means i'll need beer money and cable w/ premium channels.


Hm.

What do you look like in eyeliner?

Because I got those premium channels...and beer. And I farking hate doing dishes. And I can't cook worth shiat. But...but I have good jobs...hey...wait...where are you going? Was it the eyeliner thing?

/it was probably the eyeliner thing
 
2013-05-29 09:26:17 AM
This is the way it is in our household, but we both like our jobs so there isn't a problem. He only works part-time. The only time there is a problem. Is when the daily household chores get neglected so he can go to lunch/hang out with his friends all week. As long as the dishes are done, living room picked up, garbages out, and floor swept (which all together takes maybe 30-40 minutes since we have a small house and it is just the two of us) then I don't care what he does during the day. I think that would be common in any relationship though where one partner works more than the other. Oh and I have daily chores too (feed/water animals, scoop catboxes, cook, clean the bathroom, and collect chicken eggs) that he gets agitated if I slack. It happens, but one comment (not nasty, usually in a joking tone) from the other and we get back on track.

Honestly people think I am weird to let him have a job with no future earning potential (he won't ever get a raise and there isn't a job to move up into). People get too caught up in social norms to just be happy. He is content, I am content, and our little 850 sq. ft. house makes it so we can't host annoying friends/family. We are perfectly happy.
 
2013-05-29 09:28:16 AM

KatjaMouse: f you make more than your husband as it is then why not negotiate him staying home?


Did you know EverQuest is free to play now?
/visions of daughter running rampant, stark nekkid all over the house, ignored all day
//argument has been had
 
2013-05-29 09:31:00 AM

Kirzania: KatjaMouse: f you make more than your husband as it is then why not negotiate him staying home?

Did you know EverQuest is free to play now?
/visions of daughter running rampant, stark nekkid all over the house, ignored all day
//argument has been had


Ah. So you're married to the latest incarnation of my own father. Got it.
 
2013-05-29 09:33:29 AM
Excellent, when does the next article about men not wanting to work because they are lazy come out?
 
2013-05-29 09:40:30 AM
impossible. feminists keep telling me that women only make 70% as much as men.
 
2013-05-29 09:43:36 AM

Gdalescrboz: Excellent, when does the next article about men not wanting to work because they are lazy come out?


Depends on the education level or labor skills. My own brother is a part-time stay at home dad depending on when he can get a graphic design gig. Meanwhile my SIL, who enrolled in one of the most competitive art restoration programs in the world over a decade ago, is now charging 10s of thousands, even on occasion a 100 thousand, for restoration work for Christie's and sometimes the odd independent client.

So yeah. Makes sense that while both are post-grad educated one obviously has something of a more valuable skill set
 
2013-05-29 09:44:47 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: impossible. feminists keep telling me that women only make 70% as much as men.


Now imagine if most women actually made the same amount. How quickly would men be told to go make us a sammich?
 
2013-05-29 09:45:59 AM

titwrench: debug: Ftfa: "While most are headed by single mothers"

Not to hard to be the breadwinner if you're the only one working.

I wonder how many of these breadwinners are still taking half of their ex-husbands money and claiming they "earned it".


This.

having a kid is like a winning slot machine, every pull, from a money perspective. Child support, alimony, that crap is expensive. Absolutely tough work though, way harder than anything else, raising children.
 
2013-05-29 09:54:31 AM
With more than 50% of BA/BS degrees being awarded to women it's really only a matter of time before the value for ALL families exceeds 50%.
 
2013-05-29 09:57:55 AM

Cymbal: I married my wife thinking she would easily outearn me quickly, as she is a lawyer, and I'm just an IT guy. I so wanted to eventually become a househusband but it has been seven years now and I still make more money than her, even after she became junior partner. She sure is lucky she has nice legs and does anal.


CSB, but she's the lucky one?
 
2013-05-29 09:58:43 AM
My wife and I each make decent money, considering we're employed far from what our bachelor's degrees say we can do; on an annual basis, her salary is a whopping $25 more than mine.

SUGAR MAMA WHAT

/bought the house on the assumption that maybe someday we might need to pay the mortgage on just one salary
//...until that day we live pretty well
 
2013-05-29 09:59:32 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: impossible. feminists keep telling me that women only make 70% as much as men.


Impossible? I know maths are hard...
In fact, if you look at the survey data on page 3, for married couples with kids less than 18, ~75% of husbands make more than their wives & ~22.5% of wives make more (the remainder, presumably, are those making equal amounts). Also on that page, ~22.7% of wives are more educated than their husbands. Reading between the lines, it looks basically essential for the woman to have greater education than her husband in order to make equal or greater money.

These are admittedly broad strokes dependent upon a few key assumptions, but if one were to predict the income gap based on education level alone, women should have come out ahead. The US's own data (pdf warning) suggests that, controlling for experience, hours worked and education, women still make 4.8-7.1% less than men.
 
2013-05-29 10:03:57 AM
CSB: My wife lost her job like a lot of people, when the economy tanked. After more than 2 years not making much from occasional freelance work, she got a great staff position doing exactlt what she wants to do. Meanwhile, my industry, VFX is tanking. Outsourcing, H1B visas, schools pumping out little idiots who work cheaply, companies going under. It's a mess and much of the work has dried up. Time for Mr to try something different. Luckily she can support all of our bills on her own. So you see, all of that time I didn't really say much about her not working has paid off. She's awesome and I have time to get my shiat together and try found some graphics in a different industry...Visual f/x is a dead end.
 
2013-05-29 10:13:27 AM

Kirzania: computerguyUT: Last "survey" I read said that "moms" were returning to the kitchen because there was too much stress in the workplace.

Also, price-gouging day care/school prices. What's the point of working if you have to send your kid to a place that negates half of one parent's paycheck? Child care ain't cheap, I don't care where you sign up. I will happily quit and get back in the kitchen when if the hubby decides to finish school .........

TabASlotB: To continue...the reactionary boobies actually has a point this time: if you look at page 3, approx. 23% of married mothers out-earn their husbands, which is very similar to the 23% that are more educated than their husbands.

That'd be our household, thank you.


Exactly. Unless he can actually out-earn you, what's the point? Your child would be far better off in the long run being raised by a parent anyway.

Csb- I saw a report on TV once where a couple worked opposite shifts at different jobs. They had a family and were at their wits end. A financial advisor came along and figured out that by both working they were actually making less money due to taxes, child care and the various expenses from having to go to work every day, like commuting costs. They bawled their eyes out because they had been running ragged for years for nothing.
 
2013-05-29 10:13:47 AM

Ender912: Cymbal: I married my wife thinking she would easily outearn me quickly, as she is a lawyer, and I'm just an IT guy. I so wanted to eventually become a househusband but it has been seven years now and I still make more money than her, even after she became junior partner. She sure is lucky she has nice legs and does anal.

CSB, but she's the lucky one?


Well, considering she continues to shatter my dream of becoming a househusband, yes, she is the lucky one.
 
2013-05-29 10:16:52 AM
A) the survey only covered families with children, so couples without kids didn't count.  Neither did divorced/separated/non-resident/non-custodial fathers of children.
B) the survey noted (but did not make the headline) that of this 40%, 63% were SINGLE mothers.  Meaning that married or shacked-up women with children earned more than their spouse/partner in only 14.8% of cases.

So let me re-write this headline in real math rather than attention-whoring.

"More than 85% of (straight) male parents earn more than their spouse or partner"

Somehow that doesn't seem to be front-page worthy though.......
 
2013-05-29 10:18:47 AM

KatjaMouse: The_Original_Roxtar: impossible. feminists keep telling me that women only make 70% as much as men.

Now imagine if most women actually made the same amount. How quickly would men be told to go make us a sammich?


My husband is a chef and I work in IT... so he actually DOES go in the kitchen and make me sammiches... after I fix the network.

/we agreed, like a few of you, that he'd stay home with kids if ever we had them.  I'm apparently too career-focused to give it up to stay home with minions.
 
2013-05-29 10:19:26 AM

EbolaNYC: Exactly. Unless he can actually out-earn you, what's the point? Your child would be far better off in the long run being raised by a parent anyway.


This makes me want to cry. I always wanted to be a SAHM, at least until the kids reached the age of 5 or so. You DO have to send them off to school at some point and I'm not not the type to stay at home all day, lounging around when that happens. I have seriously considered doing some work for a 900 number or something. Lets be honest, there's a gig that, if you're good at it, you'll never have to worry about the economy.

EbolaNYC: A financial advisor came along and figured out that by both working they were actually making less money due to taxes, child care and the various expenses from having to go to work every day, like commuting costs.


Color me not-surprised.
 
2013-05-29 10:27:51 AM

pkellmey: Tomahawk513: 1) BS.  It's not a fair comparison if you're including single-parent families.

Because they are not part of the workforce?


Because they're not really families. More like shining examples of a lifetime of bad decisions.
 
2013-05-29 10:41:24 AM

Kirzania: This makes me want to cry. I always wanted to be a SAHM, at least until the kids reached the age of 5 or so. You DO have to send them off to school at some point and I'm not not the type to stay at home all day, lounging around when that happens. I have seriously considered doing some work for a 900 number or something. Lets be honest, there's a gig that, if you're good at it, you'll never have to worry about the economy.


And it's not like it's not possible. Although it would likely be limiting based on location, education level and field of expertise. Like if you had a teaching degree it would be relatively easier to get back in after a 5-6 year hiatus than trying to get back on an executive track.

/Mom quit her job after an unpleasant incident involving 5 month old me and a cat at my sitter's house
//On the day my little sister started first grade she was back to work
 
2013-05-29 10:41:24 AM

KatjaMouse: The_Original_Roxtar: impossible. feminists keep telling me that women only make 70% as much as men.

Now imagine if most women actually made the same amount. How quickly would men be told to go make us a sammich?


However long it takes for more women to start working on oil rigs and any other high risk jobs in equal numbers. Just saying.

/would happily be a house husband staying home with the kids and making dat sammich given the opportunity
 
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