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(Phys Org2)   Neat: scientists develop method to help make the oceans less acidic, with a byproduct of "supergreen" fuel. Will next start working on alcohol that makes women's breasts larger   (phys.org) divider line 37
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2013-05-30 10:29:24 AM
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2013-05-30 11:03:43 AM
Alcohol already makes women's breasts bigger.
I drink alcohol, they look bigger.
 
2013-05-30 11:05:09 AM

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And we're done.
 
2013-05-30 11:06:09 AM
I hope this works and scales up, in part because Ocean Acidification is going to be a HUGE farking problem.
 
2013-05-30 11:06:20 AM
Now that I've actually read the article...
FTA: The team demonstrated, at a laboratory scale,

This is a big problem. At a laboratory scale, cancer has been cured. Get back with me when they spin off a business based on industrial-scale execution.
 
2013-05-30 11:06:37 AM
Yup, no chance of this going wrong, none at all.
 
2013-05-30 11:08:42 AM
Do you really need a Farker to call shenanigans on this sky blue derp?
You should all be skilled at recognizing dream like pie in the sky.
 
2013-05-30 11:11:16 AM

Felgraf: I hope this works and scales up, in part because Ocean Acidification is going to be a HUGE farking problem.


Maybe, but not our problem. Our problem is keeping the carpetbaggers like Gore, Hollywood, and United Nations at bay and cutting their funding.
 
2013-05-30 11:13:46 AM

snocone: Do you really need a Farker to call shenanigans on this sky blue derp?
You should all be skilled at recognizing dream like pie in the sky.


I saw this on another site the other day. There was some serious skepticism of it's value.
 
2013-05-30 11:20:21 AM

snocone: Felgraf: I hope this works and scales up, in part because Ocean Acidification is going to be a HUGE farking problem.

Maybe, but not our problem. Our problem is keeping the carpetbaggers like Gore, Hollywood, and United Nations at bay and cutting their funding.


I realize you're taking the piss, as it were, but given that there are people out there that believe things like this is, I admit,w hy I sometimes worry about my prospects, job wise, once I get out of grad school. (Woo Physics PhD.)

And Canada's farking things up on a scientific research front, too.

/Maybe I'll go find this Academician Prokhor Zakharov  guy, he seems pretty cool.
 
2013-05-30 11:22:38 AM
I hear the Soylent corporation has been researching a new supergreen food source from the oceans as well.
 
2013-05-30 11:29:38 AM
Breasts do look bigger when viewed through the bottom of a pint glass. In fact, I will review my findings this afternoon on a sunny patio.
 
2013-05-30 11:30:46 AM
So you use electrolysis to produce hydrogen in a way that produces a byproduct that offsets the acidification of the ocean via CO2 absorption. Last I knew electrolysis took more energy than it produced. Where, exactly, are you going to get the energy to BREAK APART WATER!?

/It's like using water to clean a water filter...
 
2013-05-30 11:38:00 AM
This is really cool. I just read about how commercial oyster farms are loosing 90+ percent of their larva due to acidification. This is of course only 1 delicious benefit of this science.

CHEAP OYSTERS FOR ALL!
 
2013-05-30 11:39:49 AM

ajgeek: So you use electrolysis to produce hydrogen in a way that produces a byproduct that offsets the acidification of the ocean via CO2 absorption. Last I knew electrolysis took more energy than it produced. Where, exactly, are you going to get the energy to BREAK APART WATER!?

/It's like using water to clean a water filter...


Well, TFA said from renewable rainbow clouds.
 
2013-05-30 11:43:56 AM

ajgeek: So you use electrolysis to produce hydrogen in a way that produces a byproduct that offsets the acidification of the ocean via CO2 absorption. Last I knew electrolysis took more energy than it produced. Where, exactly, are you going to get the energy to BREAK APART WATER!?

/It's like using water to clean a water filter...


In theory, one could use solar. Or nuclear, I suppose. Which is still useful because it would provide a (theoretically transportable) fuel. Sort of like how it also takes energy to pump oil and refine gasoline.

The basic argument is that this is an acidification offset/carbon sequestration plan *that also* has an additional benefit of providing some things back as a fuel, I think.
 
2013-05-30 11:47:48 AM

ajgeek: So you use electrolysis to produce hydrogen in a way that produces a byproduct that offsets the acidification of the ocean via CO2 absorption. Last I knew electrolysis took more energy than it produced. Where, exactly, are you going to get the energy to BREAK APART WATER!?

/It's like using water to clean a water filter...


Clean coal, obviously...
 
2013-05-30 11:52:35 AM
Felgraf:

ajgeek: So you use electrolysis to produce hydrogen in a way that produces a byproduct that offsets the acidification of the ocean via CO2 absorption. Last I knew electrolysis took more energy than it produced. Where, exactly, are you going to get the energy to BREAK APART WATER!?

/It's like using water to clean a water filter...

In theory, one could use solar. Or nuclear, I suppose. Which is still useful because it would provide a (theoretically transportable) fuel. Sort of like how it also takes energy to pump oil and refine gasoline.

The basic argument is that this is an acidification offset/carbon sequestration plan *that also* has an additional benefit of providing some things back as a fuel, I think.


A large oyster farm might find it worth installing a tide / wave power setup to adjust the acidity of their own little cove, even if it didn't make a dent in the overall ocean and they just vented the H2.
 
2013-05-30 11:52:53 AM
Meh.

I want them to use recombinant DNA to create a bacteria which eats opoliticians and pisses Heineken.
 
2013-05-30 11:56:04 AM
I find it amusing that some people, upon reading this article, their first reaction is "ALGORE! AGENDA 21!" rather than "Huh... This is a cool new technology that might be useful."
 
2013-05-30 11:57:12 AM
Stop the presses!
Last time I looked, our problem was heat.
This process is wildly exothermic, but don't let that stop the Rainbow Train to Financial Redistribution.
 
2013-05-30 12:12:26 PM
isent hydrogen a biatch to store? most hydrogen cars that I have seen anything about have some crazy sub zero high pressure storage device. dosent sound efficent to me.
 
2013-05-30 12:16:03 PM
You mean soon to be missing scientists, don't you subby?
 
2013-05-30 12:45:04 PM

snocone: Stop the presses!
Last time I looked, our problem was heat.
This process is wildly exothermic, but don't let that stop the Rainbow Train to Financial Redistribution.


Your flailing about in this thread amuses me.
 
2013-05-30 12:54:11 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: This is really cool. I just read about how commercial oyster farms are loosing 90+ percent of their larva due to acidification. This is of course only 1 delicious benefit of this science.

CHEAP OYSTERS FOR ALL!


Part of that has to do with the fact that ocean acidification lowers both pH and total calcium, which make it harder for oysters to build their shells (as well as other calcium based exoskeleton lifeforms like stoney corals, clams, etc.).  The combination of stresses (environmental changes, growth inhibition, competition for the fewer remaining 'good' habitats) causes a far higher than normal juvenile mortality (which considering they are all r strategy reproducers playing the long odds, aren't that great to begin with).
 
2013-05-30 01:13:54 PM
I think they're dividing by zero somewhere in there regarding the carbon sequestration.

1. Use electrolysis to generate hydroxide.
2. Hydroxide reacts with CO2 to make carbonate (OH- + CO2 --> HCO3-)
3. Carbonate reacts with acid to make CO2 and H2O (H+ + HCO3- --> CO2 + H2O)

I don't see how this will reduce atmospheric CO2 unless they trap it as a metal carbonate and bury it somewhere.
 
2013-05-30 04:00:20 PM

dj_spanmaster: This is a big problem. At a laboratory scale, cancer has been cured. Get back with me when they spin off a business based on industrial-scale execution.


Unlike cancer, though, this seems like a math issue. If it takes 1% as much energy to capture the carbon this way as it did to create it, we have a winner. If it takes twice as much, it's useless.

The issue with cancer is killing the cancerous cells while leaving the non-cancerous cells alone, not a math problem.
 
2013-05-30 04:21:23 PM
See? Everything is going to be OK, can we relax now?
 
2013-05-30 04:32:44 PM
dj_spanmaster: Alcohol already makes women's breasts bigger.
I drink alcohol, they look bigger.


Indeed
 
2013-05-30 05:06:19 PM

theorellior: snocone: Stop the presses!
Last time I looked, our problem was heat.
This process is wildly exothermic, but don't let that stop the Rainbow Train to Financial Redistribution.

Your flailing about in this thread amuses me.


Well, you are welcome.
This is an amusing place, indeed.

/you are here for the amusement??
 
2013-05-30 09:17:18 PM
Could someone dumb this story down so that someone with an MBA-level intellect could understand it?
 
2013-05-30 11:16:23 PM

poorjon: I think they're dividing by zero somewhere in there regarding the carbon sequestration...

I don't see how this will reduce atmospheric CO2 unless they trap it as a metal carbonate and bury it somewhere.


To clarify my earlier point: it seems like their plan ultimately releases a mole of CO2 to the atmosphere (by reacting captured carbonate with oceanic acid) for every mole of CO2 captured*, therefore being overall neutral. Since these people are presumably respected investigators I'll assume that what appears to be a highschool chemistry level error is a misunderstanding on my part and await someone who will explain how I am wrong.

*assuming the energy required for electrolysis does not even require the oxidation of carbon which is a bit of a stretch...
 
2013-05-30 11:26:44 PM
Either the atmosphere may end up "better" or the ocean may end up "better", but saying that both will is an unreasonable statement.
 
2013-05-31 04:30:17 AM
If anyone bothered to check, they would find that the ocean is alkaline not acidic.
 
2013-05-31 03:09:21 PM

Drammach: If anyone bothered to check, they would find that the ocean is alkaline not acidic.


Aww, facts are so boring.
Unsubstantiated derp is so much more fun.
 
2013-05-31 03:10:29 PM

MBA Whore: Could someone dumb this story down so that someone with an MBA-level intellect could understand it?


Technobabble is hard to translate w/o the proper paradigms.
 
2013-05-31 04:43:26 PM

Drammach: If anyone bothered to check, they would find that the ocean is alkaline not acidic.


If the pH of the ocean drops from 8.2 to 7.9 (as an example), then yes Virginia, acidification *is* occurring.  The term does not mean that the pH is magically below 7, it just means that the average pH is lowering.  It's not dissimilar to the grammar school experiment of adding vinegar to a glass of milk and watching the color change in test strips.
 
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