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(Truthout)   A brief history of the Tea Party that doesn't include any mention of billboards   (truth-out.org) divider line 43
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2013-05-29 08:58:04 AM
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/not a billboard
 
2013-05-29 09:34:35 AM
"...this right-wing revision of U.S. history is wildly askew if not upside-down. "

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2013-05-29 09:45:35 AM
Anti-Government Extremism Has Roots in Prewar South
That is a very passive aggressive way to say that the Tea Party is less focused on fiscal responsibility and taxes than it is on creating bigoted social policies from an ideological mindset of southern plantation owners.
 
2013-05-29 09:47:24 AM
Pretty good read.  If you like it, you should consider reading E. J. Dionne's "Our Divided Political Heart: The Battle for the American Idea in an Age of Discontent"
 
2013-05-29 09:48:28 AM
Can you have a history from January 20, 2009?
 
2013-05-29 09:54:06 AM
If the US can't quell an insurgency that started in the 18th century in it's own lands, why the Fark are we claiming we can fix insurgencies everywhere else in teh world?
 
2013-05-29 10:06:47 AM
I guess they were serious about that "South will rise again" business.
 
2013-05-29 10:20:59 AM
Very good read, however the audience that SHOULD read tfa lack the ability.
 
2013-05-29 10:23:42 AM
Not to hijack the thread, but why isn't there anything about Michelle Bachmann not running for re-election? She is the Tea Party queen!

/off to get drunk in celebration
 
2013-05-29 10:24:10 AM
 
2013-05-29 10:24:19 AM
A very interesting piece. It seems depressing to me how little of the nation's history was actually covered back in my K-12 education... and that wasn't even in the Derp South.
 
2013-05-29 10:28:07 AM

hershy799: Not to hijack the thread, but why isn't there anything about Michelle Bachmann not running for re-election? She is the Tea Party queen!

/off to get drunk in celebration


She claims it isn't because she doesn't think she would win again......the same person will be running against her and almost took her out in one of the most Tea Party gerrymandered districts where she out-spent him nearly 10:1.  She is also under very heavy scrutiny for illegal campaign spending because of that.
 
2013-05-29 10:28:38 AM

hershy799: Not to hijack the thread, but why isn't there anything about Michelle Bachmann not running for re-election? She is the Tea Party queen!

/off to get drunk in celebration


They're like the Borg.  You kill the queen and another drone just takes her place.
 
2013-05-29 10:30:14 AM

Citrate1007: She claims it isn't because she doesn't think she would win again....


I'd venture to guess that if she felt compelled to state that, then it is indeed the precise reason she bailed.
 
2013-05-29 10:31:58 AM

hershy799: Not to hijack the thread, but why isn't there anything about Michelle Bachmann not running for re-election? She is the Tea Party queen!

/off to get drunk in celebration


Maybe its in the queue to go green today. If not, try submitting one.
 
2013-05-29 10:32:19 AM

Diogenes: Citrate1007: She claims it isn't because she doesn't think she would win again....

I'd venture to guess that if she felt compelled to state that, then it is indeed the precise reason she bailed.


From the horse's mouth:"My decision was not in any way influenced by any concerns about my being re-elected to Congress," Bachmann said. "I have every confidence that if I ran, I would again defeat the individual who I defeated last year, who recently announced he is once again running."
 
2013-05-29 10:36:04 AM
I only read the title, which tells me the article repeats the left's meme that the Tea Party is racist/Nazi/whatever. Truthout is Marxist, Tea Party is anti-Marxist, hence Truthout will do anything to paint the TP in a bad light. Next week: "TP members beat their spouses"

The current Tea Party started a few years ago, born from the idea that tax money shouldn't be used to bail out banks and wealthy people.

Occupy Wall Street was born from the idea that tax money shouldn't be used to bail out banks and wealthy people.

See the difference ? Clearly OWS is a rational, sensible grass-roots organization, and the TP is the second coming of Hitler.
 
2013-05-29 10:41:45 AM

TheSwissNavy: I only read the title, which tells me the article repeats the left's meme that the Tea Party is racist/Nazi/whatever. Truthout is Marxist, Tea Party is anti-Marxist, hence Truthout will do anything to paint the TP in a bad light. Next week: "TP members beat their spouses"

The current Tea Party started a few years ago, born from the idea that tax money shouldn't be used to bail out banks and wealthy people.

Occupy Wall Street was born from the idea that tax money shouldn't be used to bail out banks and wealthy people.

See the difference ? Clearly OWS is a rational, sensible grass-roots organization, and the TP is the second coming of Hitler.


Unlike OWS the Tea Party got organized......with money from the GOP.  This process destroyed them as a movement and enabled them to be the outlet for the GOP's socially bigoted and fiscally irresponsible platforms.
 
2013-05-29 10:53:09 AM

TheSwissNavy: The current Tea Party started a few years ago, born from the idea that tax money shouldn't be used to bail out banks and wealthy people.

Occupy Wall Street was born from the idea that tax money shouldn't be used to bail out banks and wealthy people.



Oversimplification. I think on closer examination each group's pet peeves won't prove to be very similar -- 'I hate taxes'/unspecified government tyranny vs. 'the economic game is rigged, mostly by corporations and traders'
 
2013-05-29 10:53:33 AM
Stupid blog is stupid.
 
2013-05-29 11:06:17 AM
Amid this muck of muddled history, the biggest secret withheld from the American people is that today's Right is actually promoting a set of anti-government positions that originally arose to justify and protect the South's institution of slavery. The calls of "liberty" then covered the cries of suffering from human bondage, just as today's shouts of outrage reflect resentment over the first African-American president.

The South is evil, check
The right still loves slavery, check
Anyone that criticizes Obama is a racist, check.

Secret withheld? So, your giant brain figured it out, huh?

It's the same lameness over and over. Get some new material already, liberals.
 
2013-05-29 11:22:53 AM

barneyfifesbullet: Get some new material already, liberals.


Stop calling yourselves "The party of Lincoln" and we'll talk.
 
2013-05-29 11:44:24 AM

Diogenes: barneyfifesbullet: Get some new material already, liberals.

Stop calling yourselves "The party of Lincoln" and we'll talk.


Needs to be added to your list.

#1 Fiscal Responsibility
#2 Personal Responsibility
#3 Family Values
 
2013-05-29 11:47:37 AM
Hurr the Tea Party was originally a good thing because Americans really are being taxed too much durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
2013-05-29 01:25:49 PM
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2013-05-29 02:08:21 PM
tl;dr version:

The TP is bad because they use arguments used by some people who appealed to slave owners for support in the 1780s. Proved using arguments that overlook that the opposition were pandering to slave-owners just as much in ratifying the Constitution.

The TP is bad because they think like Thomas Jefferson who didn't want the federal govt building roads. Proved using an implicit argument that "govt roads are good."

The TP is bad because they are butthurt about a black man being president. This was just a bare assertion in the conclusion without any appeal to evidence about the TP's actual emotions on the subject (which could probably show that a good number of them are in such a state of butthurt).

In all, just the rantings of some guy who has a specific narrative of the founding of the US and the ratifying of the Constitution who hates people who doesn't agree with him.
 
2013-05-29 02:10:38 PM

phaseolus: TheSwissNavy: The current Tea Party started a few years ago, born from the idea that tax money shouldn't be used to bail out banks and wealthy people.

Occupy Wall Street was born from the idea that tax money shouldn't be used to bail out banks and wealthy people.


Oversimplification. I think on closer examination each group's pet peeves won't prove to be very similar -- 'I hate taxes'/unspecified government tyranny vs. 'the economic game is rigged, mostly by corporations and traders'


But their proposed means are inevitable the same:

We need more corrupted govt to fix our corrupted govt!
 
2013-05-29 02:26:27 PM

iawai: In all, just the rantings of some guy who has a specific narrative of the founding of the US and the ratifying of the Constitution who hates people who doesn't agree with him.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Parry_%28journalist%29

Robert Parry (journalist)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: Robert Parry is an American Consortium News include the presidency of [4] the career of Army general and Bush Secretary of State [5] the [6] the Nicaraguan contra-cocaine investigation,[7] the efforts to impeach President [8] right-wing terrorism in Latin America,[9] the political influence of [10] mainstream American [11] United States Secretary of Defense [12] the presidency of [13] the influence of [14] efforts to [15] as well as international stories.[16]
Parry has written several books, including Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & "Project Truth." (1999) and Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq (2004).


He's quite a bit more than just some guy with a blog.
 
2013-05-29 02:29:01 PM

X-boxershorts: iawai: In all, just the rantings of some guy who has a specific narrative of the founding of the US and the ratifying of the Constitution who hates people who doesn't agree with him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Parry_%28journalist%29

ICK! Copy paste fail....



Robert Parry (journalist)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Robert Parry is an American investigative journalist. He was awarded the George Polk Award for National Reporting in 1984 for his work with the Associated Press on the Iran-Contra story and uncovered Oliver North's involvement in it as a Washington-based correspondent for Newsweek.[1][2] In 1995, he established Consortium News as an online ezine dedicated to investigative journalism. From 2000 to 2004, he also worked for the financial wire service Bloomberg.[3]

Major subjects of Parry's articles and reports on Consortium News include the presidency of George W. Bush,[4] the career of Army general and Bush Secretary of State Colin Powell (with Norman Solomon),[5] the October Surprise controversy of the 1980 election,[6] the Nicaraguan contra-cocaine investigation,[7] the efforts to impeach President Clinton,[8] right-wing terrorism in Latin America,[9] the political influence of Sun Myung Moon,[10] mainstream American media imbalance,[11] United States Secretary of Defense Robert Gates,[12] the presidency of Barack Obama,[13] the influence of Sarah Palin,[14] efforts to rewrite history[15] as well as international stories.[16]
Parry has written several books, including Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & "Project Truth." (1999) and Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq (2004).

He's quite a bit more than just some guy with a blog.
 
2013-05-29 02:41:58 PM

X-boxershorts: iawai: In all, just the rantings of some guy who has a specific narrative of the founding of the US and the ratifying of the Constitution who hates people who doesn't agree with him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Parry_%28journalist%29

Robert Parry (journalist)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: Robert Parry is an American Consortium News include the presidency of [4] the career of Army general and Bush Secretary of State [5] the [6] the Nicaraguan contra-cocaine investigation,[7] the efforts to impeach President [8] right-wing terrorism in Latin America,[9] the political influence of [10] mainstream American [11] United States Secretary of Defense [12] the presidency of [13] the influence of [14] efforts to [15] as well as international stories.[16]
Parry has written several books, including Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & "Project Truth." (1999) and Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq (2004).


He's quite a bit more than just some guy with a blog.


Yeah.  So?

What he's written in the past doesn't negate the fact that this was an article written out of hate that was logically inconsistent and made unsubstantiated accusations.

I'm not a "Tea Partier," so I don't care if you want to paint them as "neo-Confederate racists." But someone who wanted to actually do so could do better than this. He was doing nothing here but buttressing his own biases with arguments that hold no sway over anyone not already aligned with his worldview.

I don't care about who he is, or what he has written in the past. This article has both logical problems and a lack of evidentiary support.
 
2013-05-29 02:44:19 PM

NeverDrunk23: Can you have a history from January 20, 2009?


Hey, it's almost lasted as long as the Confederacy by now, and they still pretend it's some great era in their history.
 
2013-05-29 03:18:01 PM

TheSwissNavy: The current Tea Party started a few years ago, born from the idea that tax money shouldn't be used to bail out banks and wealthy people.
Occupy Wall Street was born from the idea that tax money shouldn't be used to bail out banks and wealthy people


Perhaps, but you're missing out a crucial aspect that differentiates the two groups (and its the chief reason why the two don't (and won't) get along): Social issues.

Tea Party are fiscal conservatives, but are also aggressive social conservatives as well: They hate gays and immigrants and they love Jesus. OWS are socially liberal: They accept equality for all types of people, religion and lifestyles, including ethnic minorities, women, gays/lesbians and even transgenders. That's why it's hard to find a single leader among this group because it's difficult to nominate someone who can justifiably represent all of them.

It could be argued that they both want the same thing, but if the two groups were to merge, that would mean the Tea Party would have to renounce their black-white value set and accept tolerance of minority classes, lifestyles and positions, and that's something they will not do.

It is a fundamental difference in thinking between the two groups. Moral Absolutism has absolutely no tolerance for Moral Relativism.
 
2013-05-29 04:37:02 PM
Therefore, since there has been Southern opposition to centralized Federal power, EVERYBODY who does not want to turn 100% of his earnings over to government and have every aspect of public and private life regulated must want to reinstate slavery!

The Whiskey Rebellion did NOT occur in the South.
Shay's Rebellion did NOT occur in the South.
The Molly Maguires were NOT a slave-holding society, even if they did dare oppose centralized government, which was backing the coal mine owners.
We can go on and list instance after instance of opposition to the creeping disease that is political centralization that had no connection at all to the old slave-holding South, but that won't matter.

The shills for omnipotency in government will still keep chanting their hymns to their god.

PS: The current "Tea Party" movement primarily consists of people who would benefit greatly from reading more than one book and was long-ago co-opted by freaks and lunatics, but that doesn't change the fact that a one-sided, pig-ignorant hatchet job against anyone and everyone who might oppose unlimited government power is simply wrong.
 
2013-05-29 04:40:02 PM

TheSwissNavy: I only read the title, which tells me the article repeats the left's meme that the Tea Party is racist/Nazi/whatever. Truthout is Marxist, Tea Party is anti-Marxist, hence Truthout will do anything to paint the TP in a bad light. Next week: "TP members beat their spouses"

The current Tea Party started a few years ago, born from the idea that tax money shouldn't be used to bail out banks and wealthy people.

Occupy Wall Street was born from the idea that tax money shouldn't be used to bail out banks and wealthy people.

See the difference ? Clearly OWS is a rational, sensible grass-roots organization, and the TP is the second coming of Hitler.


The current Tea Party is now just a sounding board for nativists and theocrats. The original voices have long since been drowned out by far more strident lunatics who would impose a totalitarian state.

OWS is now nothing but a tourist attraction. It has been rendered irrelevant by its own acts, turning from an event to a neo-hippie sideshow.

It's simply amazing how America manages to defang its would-be reform movements so effectively.
 
2013-05-29 04:43:55 PM
Ishkur:It is a fundamental difference in thinking between the two groups. Moral Absolutism has absolutely no tolerance for Moral Relativism.

I have never met a moral relativist, and I graduated from Earlham College and worked at Cornell. Never. Not once. I have met very many people who CLAIM to be moral relativists, but their relativism only extends to those whose beliefs closely enough mirror their own.
 
2013-05-29 05:16:49 PM

Silly_Sot: I have never met a moral relativist, and I graduated from Earlham College and worked at Cornell. Never. Not once. I have met very many people who CLAIM to be moral relativists, but their relativism only extends to those whose beliefs closely enough mirror their own.


You're confusing moral relativism with moral tolerance.

Technically, we are all moral relativists. There is no objective morality that exists outside of man, applicable to everywhere in the entire universe.

Morality is a human conceit, and hence subject to human biases and interpretation.
 
2013-05-29 06:19:16 PM
The idea that the antebellum ruling class in the South had an allergy to the federal government is bunkum and hooey.  That class was *for* federal intervention in the South as long as the intervening was done on its behalf and in defense of its interests.

upload.wikimedia.org

US Marines at Harper's Ferry, 1859.
 
2013-05-29 07:44:36 PM
The Regulators seemed somewhat anti-government. Why no mention of them?
 
2013-05-29 07:50:45 PM
www.ep.tc
 
2013-05-30 06:01:51 AM

iawai: What he's written in the past doesn't negate the fact that this was an article written out of hate that was logically inconsistent and made unsubstantiated accusations.

I'm not a "Tea Partier," so I don't care if you want to paint them as "neo-Confederate racists." But someone who wanted to actually do so could do better than this. He was doing nothing here but buttressing his own biases with arguments that hold no sway over anyone not already aligned with his worldview.

I don't care about who he is, or what he has written in the past. This article has both logical problems and a lack of evidentiary support.


Why do you say that?  Did you even read it?
 
2013-05-30 06:23:31 AM

bigunclejesus: Very good read, however the audience that SHOULD read tfa lack the ability.


Helps explain why the thread is so short.  Too much denial.
 
2013-05-30 08:44:24 AM

Alphax: bigunclejesus: Very good read, however the audience that SHOULD read tfa lack the ability.

Helps explain why the thread is so short.  Too much denial.


Or the thwack of beating a dead horse just becomes an audible form of Chinese water torture after a while.
 
2013-05-30 08:57:13 AM

xxmedium: Alphax: bigunclejesus: Very good read, however the audience that SHOULD read tfa lack the ability.

Helps explain why the thread is so short.  Too much denial.

Or the thwack of beating a dead horse just becomes an audible form of Chinese water torture after a while.


What dead horse would that be?
 
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