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2013-05-29 12:11:41 AM
How can they beat the dems at 100 percent
 
2013-05-29 06:46:46 AM
I wish I had pearls on so I could clutch them as I fainted.
 
2013-05-29 07:04:19 AM
You going to listen to a site that is secretly owned by George Soros to push his Atheist, gay, socialist agenda?
 
2013-05-29 07:07:28 AM
So one party lies 100% of the time and the other lies 200% of the time?

/dnrtfa
 
2013-05-29 07:11:06 AM
They all lie, regardless of party, but my hatred of the GOP is based more on their gleeful callousness towards their fellow countrymen, their proudly ignorant stances on, well, just about everything, and their regressive, plutocratic policies.

There is nothing redeemable about the GOP... You can put every single Republican on barge, float it out into the Atlantic and scuttle it for all I care anymore.
 
2013-05-29 07:38:21 AM
They refuse to study Democrats because of fear of the IRS, DOJ, FBI...
 
2013-05-29 07:50:32 AM
My favorite Rep gambit is the "Don't repeat what I said!"
 
2013-05-29 07:57:27 AM
Wait:  You're telling me that politicians *LIE*?  Inconceivable!

All snark aside, both sides do it.  So vote 3rd party.  *ANY* 3rd party.  The sooner we break the stupid Yankees/Red Sox-style political rivalry the sooner we'll have better government.  This whole "my team is better than your team, because [insert stupid reason here]" is killing American politics, and it wasn't necessarily designed this way.

Oh, and if they tell you a vote for 3rd party is a vote for the other team, they're lying to you.  Shouldn't be too hard to detect it, though:  Their lips will be moving.
 
2013-05-29 08:02:03 AM

dittybopper: All snark aside, both sides do it. So vote 3rd party. *ANY* 3rd party. The sooner we break the stupid Yankees/Red Sox-style political rivalry the sooner we'll have better government. This whole "my team is better than your team, because [insert stupid reason here]" is killing American politics, and it wasn't necessarily designed this way.


Wayne Allyn Root was a major candidate for Libertarian party. Should people really vote for someone like that just because?

Third parties in the US don't get any traction because they are usually filled with nutjobs.
 
2013-05-29 08:02:25 AM
That just proves that Politifact is part of the Liberal Mainstream MSM Media, and can't be trusted.

As to the "both sides are bad" which has already shown up in this thread, yeah, all politicians lie, but there's lies of omission and spin, which is par for the course, and then there's statement of fact in direct contravention of reality. When you have politicians who have retractions like "that was not meant to be a factual statement" and "those who quote me in context are liars" you've taken lying to a whole different level.
 
2013-05-29 08:02:35 AM
"While Republicans see a credibility gap in the Obama administration, PolitiFact rates Republicans as the less credible party," George Mason University CMPA president Robert Lichter wrote in a release with the Tuesday report.

But they really truly believe their own lies, hence their confusion.

Sometimes a party member tells a whopper, but they all have to go along with it and make it truth.

Party before credibility.
 
2013-05-29 08:04:14 AM
And Bachmann, the leader of liars, has been voted into Senate three, four times. Goes to show that this behavior gets rewarded so expect more of it to come.
 
2013-05-29 08:06:07 AM

jehovahs witness protection: They refuse to study Democrats because of fear of the IRS, DOJ, FBI...


i915.photobucket.com

This will keep happening until you start reading.
 
2013-05-29 08:07:01 AM
"This has been reporting from Ric Romero"

I can't even begin to describe the ways this sentence sucks, aesthetically and grammatically.
 
2013-05-29 08:07:05 AM
The takeaway here is that it's more likely than not that a republican is lying, and far less likely that a democrat is lying.
 
2013-05-29 08:12:12 AM
Bless my stars and garters.

The numbers from the article indicate that (R) candidates lie half the time, and (D) candidates lie a third of the time.
 
2013-05-29 08:12:19 AM

dittybopper: Wait:  You're telling me that politicians *LIE*?  Inconceivable!

All snark aside, both sides do it.  So vote 3rd party.  *ANY* 3rd party.  The sooner we break the stupid Yankees/Red Sox-style political rivalry the sooner we'll have better government.  This whole "my team is better than your team, because [insert stupid reason here]" is killing American politics, and it wasn't necessarily designed this way.

Oh, and if they tell you a vote for 3rd party is a vote for the other team, they're lying to you.  Shouldn't be too hard to detect it, though:  Their lips will be moving.


Actually it's just math.
 
2013-05-29 08:12:32 AM

Halli: dittybopper: All snark aside, both sides do it. So vote 3rd party. *ANY* 3rd party. The sooner we break the stupid Yankees/Red Sox-style political rivalry the sooner we'll have better government. This whole "my team is better than your team, because [insert stupid reason here]" is killing American politics, and it wasn't necessarily designed this way.

Wayne Allyn Root was a major candidate for Libertarian party. Should people really vote for someone like that just because?

Third parties in the US don't get any traction because they are usually filled with nutjobs.


No, third parties don't get traction because our system is structured to support a two-party system on the national level.

The only time there has ever been a national third party is when one collapsed and died, and the third party became the second party.

It's not about tradition, nor a lack of trying, it's that the system is rigged to support only two parties.

To give an example, let's say that a third party wins the presidency. Who is he going to go to to get his agenda passed? Unless there is a majority of Third Party candidates in Congress, he's going to go to one or the other. And because he's not on their team, it's harder for him to get his agenda passed. Same thing with someone in Congress - who is going to WORK with a third partier, considering how tightly party-oriented our Congress is?
 
2013-05-29 08:12:53 AM

hinten: And Bachmann, the leader of liars, has been voted into Senate three, four times. Goes to show that this behavior gets rewarded so expect more of it to come.


Bachmann: I won't run for reelection in 2014 but it has nothing to do with the investigation into my improper use of campaign funds.

Going out on a lie really shows commitment to playbook.
 
2013-05-29 08:15:18 AM

dittybopper: All snark aside, both sides do it.  So vote 3rd party.  *ANY* 3rd party.  The sooner we break the stupid Yankees/Red Sox-style political rivalry the sooner we'll have better government.  This whole "my team is better than your team, because [insert stupid reason here]" is killing American politics


is it kinda lost on you that you just did what you decry?

3rd party is better than the other team because insert stupid reason here, and all....

somehow, the idea exists that a party with no power will be the same party once it attains power.  if you want to talk about stupid reasons, that's got to be on the list.
 
2013-05-29 08:15:45 AM

Lackofname: Halli: dittybopper: All snark aside, both sides do it. So vote 3rd party. *ANY* 3rd party. The sooner we break the stupid Yankees/Red Sox-style political rivalry the sooner we'll have better government. This whole "my team is better than your team, because [insert stupid reason here]" is killing American politics, and it wasn't necessarily designed this way.

Wayne Allyn Root was a major candidate for Libertarian party. Should people really vote for someone like that just because?

Third parties in the US don't get any traction because they are usually filled with nutjobs.

No, third parties don't get traction because our system is structured to support a two-party system on the national level.

The only time there has ever been a national third party is when one collapsed and died, and the third party became the second party.

It's not about tradition, nor a lack of trying, it's that the system is rigged to support only two parties.

To give an example, let's say that a third party wins the presidency. Who is he going to go to to get his agenda passed? Unless there is a majority of Third Party candidates in Congress, he's going to go to one or the other. And because he's not on their team, it's harder for him to get his agenda passed. Same thing with someone in Congress - who is going to WORK with a third partier, considering how tightly party-oriented our Congress is?


Again, it's not rigged, it's math. Until we dump "one man, oe vote", there will always be 2 parties.
 
2013-05-29 08:17:15 AM
Attack, attack, attack. The Democrats certainly learned a thing or two from Karl Rove.
 
2013-05-29 08:18:01 AM

keylock71: They all lie, regardless of party, but my hatred of the GOP is based more on their gleeful callousness towards their fellow countrymen, their proudly ignorant stances on, well, just about everything, and their regressive, plutocratic policies.

There is nothing redeemable about the GOP... You can put every single Republican on barge, float it out into the Atlantic and scuttle it for all I care anymore.


Very open-minded, how liberal of you.

I prefer those who disagree with me on the role of government in society to be slowly tortured to death, but I guess the barge thing works too.
 
2013-05-29 08:18:27 AM

hinten: And Bachmann, the leader of liars, has been voted into Senate three, four times. Goes to show that this behavior gets rewarded so expect more of it to come.


She's retiring, though. So there's that. . . .
 
2013-05-29 08:19:00 AM

nmrsnr: That just proves that Politifact is part of the Liberal Mainstream MSM Media, and can't be trusted.

As to the "both sides are bad" which has already shown up in this thread, yeah, all politicians lie, but there's lies of omission and spin, which is par for the course, and then there's statement of fact in direct contravention of reality. When you have politicians who have retractions like "that was not meant to be a factual statement" and "those who quote me in context are liars" you've taken lying to a whole different level.



Both sides r teh bad, so vote for the Republican who got trounced in the primaries and suddenly starts calling himself a libertarian.
 
2013-05-29 08:19:13 AM
The core of the GOP platform has become:

1. Stop slave reparations payments to the New Black Panthers
2. Stop teh ghey and teh broadz from becoming actual people with actual rights
3. Stop the UN from taking away your guns

First, they have to camoflauge these core principles in so much junk that this alone means they lie more often than they don't ("it's a threat to  your marriage!" and "our 'spending problem' threatens  your Medicare benefits!").  Second, the party leadership doesn't believe in these core principles anyway, they are tools to whip up the base to convince them to vote for the guys who serve the plutocrats, whose core principles are:

1. No taxes for me
2. No regulations or liability for me
3. Protect my patents/copyrights/whatever I claim to be my intellectual property, at any cost

Democrats lie too, but it's hard to see how the GOP can do anything  but lie.  They painted themselves into Liars' Corner.
 
2013-05-29 08:19:16 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Lackofname: Halli: dittybopper: All snark aside, both sides do it. So vote 3rd party. *ANY* 3rd party. The sooner we break the stupid Yankees/Red Sox-style political rivalry the sooner we'll have better government. This whole "my team is better than your team, because [insert stupid reason here]" is killing American politics, and it wasn't necessarily designed this way.

Wayne Allyn Root was a major candidate for Libertarian party. Should people really vote for someone like that just because?

Third parties in the US don't get any traction because they are usually filled with nutjobs.

No, third parties don't get traction because our system is structured to support a two-party system on the national level.

The only time there has ever been a national third party is when one collapsed and died, and the third party became the second party.

It's not about tradition, nor a lack of trying, it's that the system is rigged to support only two parties.

To give an example, let's say that a third party wins the presidency. Who is he going to go to to get his agenda passed? Unless there is a majority of Third Party candidates in Congress, he's going to go to one or the other. And because he's not on their team, it's harder for him to get his agenda passed. Same thing with someone in Congress - who is going to WORK with a third partier, considering how tightly party-oriented our Congress is?

Again, it's not rigged, it's math. Until we dump "one man, oe vote", there will always be 2 parties.


You mean runoff voting?
 
2013-05-29 08:19:26 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Attack, attack, attack. The Democrats certainly learned a thing or two from Karl Rove.


I think it's funny how right-wingers thing stats and facts have a liberal bias.

/knows you're trolling
//indicative of a trend anyway
 
2013-05-29 08:19:28 AM

thamike: jehovahs witness protection: They refuse to study Democrats because of fear of the IRS, DOJ, FBI...

[i915.photobucket.com image 850x390]

This will keep happening until you start reading.


It's a blatant troll account.  You think it cares?
 
2013-05-29 08:20:24 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Until we dump "one man, oe vote", there will always be 2 parties.


One man, one vote is just fine.  It's Weeners post winner take all that's the problem.  As long as 50.1% of the population can tell the other half what to do, you have two parties. I'll be god damned if I'm going to throw my vote away on some green party candidate if it means some nazi republican has a better chance at holding office.
 
2013-05-29 08:20:27 AM

Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: AverageAmericanGuy: Attack, attack, attack. The Democrats certainly learned a thing or two from Karl Rove.

I think it's funny how right-wingers think stats and facts have a liberal bias.

/knows you're trolling
//indicative of a trend anyway


/FTFM
//It's too early
 
2013-05-29 08:20:38 AM

keylock71: They all lie, regardless of party, but my hatred of the GOP is based more on their gleeful callousness towards their fellow countrymen, their proudly ignorant stances on, well, just about everything, and their regressive, plutocratic policies.

There is nothing redeemable about the GOP... You can put every single Republican on barge, float it out into the Atlantic and scuttle it for all I care anymore.


Look at it from the outside, and you would believe the only thing Americans hate more than everything non-American is other Americans.
 
2013-05-29 08:21:14 AM

Halli: Wayne Allyn Root was a major candidate for Libertarian party. Should people really vote for someone like that just because?


Was he the only 3rd party choice?  Or were there more?  I'm guess he wasn't the only 3rd party candidate.

See, that's the great thing about it:  You get more choices than just the asshole or the shiathead.
 
2013-05-29 08:22:48 AM

dittybopper: Halli: Wayne Allyn Root was a major candidate for Libertarian party. Should people really vote for someone like that just because?

Was he the only 3rd party choice?  Or were there more?  I'm guess he wasn't the only 3rd party candidate.

See, that's the great thing about it:  You get more choices than just the asshole or the shiathead.


yah, like rosanne barr.

she's 3rd party, so by your criteria, it's already better than the two major party offerings. starting to see your own 'insert stupid reason here' yet?
 
2013-05-29 08:23:51 AM
Republicans full of shiat, more at 11.
 
2013-05-29 08:24:06 AM

Kibbler: Democrats lie too, but it's hard to see how the GOP can do anything  but lie.  They painted themselves into Liars' Corner.


You could very easily reverse those, and it would be just as true.
 
2013-05-29 08:24:43 AM

TalenLee: keylock71: They all lie, regardless of party, but my hatred of the GOP is based more on their gleeful callousness towards their fellow countrymen, their proudly ignorant stances on, well, just about everything, and their regressive, plutocratic policies.

There is nothing redeemable about the GOP... You can put every single Republican on barge, float it out into the Atlantic and scuttle it for all I care anymore.

Look at it from the outside, and you would believe the only thing Americans hate more than everything non-American is other Americans.


THIS.  From reading the Fark political tab, you would think that Democrats and Republicans live in separate isolated communities, never interacting with each other.
 
2013-05-29 08:25:33 AM

dittybopper: Wait:  You're telling me that politicians *LIE*?  Inconceivable!

All snark aside, both sides do it.  So vote 3rd party.  *ANY* 3rd party.  The sooner we break the stupid Yankees/Red Sox-style political rivalry the sooner we'll have better government.  This whole "my team is better than your team, because [insert stupid reason here]" is killing American politics, and it wasn't necessarily designed this way.

Oh, and if they tell you a vote for 3rd party is a vote for the other team, they're lying to you.  Shouldn't be too hard to detect it, though:  Their lips will be moving.


You seem to find it inconceivable that 3rd party candidates are liars too.

"Team politics" is how it always has been and always will be in a democracy.  That's how political parties work, and that's how they are designed to work.  The only third party that isn't on a team that competes with other teams is the one that just executed all the municipal workers in the town they just subjugated.
 
2013-05-29 08:25:50 AM

dittybopper: All snark aside, both sides do it. So vote 3rd party. *ANY* 3rd party. The sooner we break the stupid Yankees/Red Sox-style political rivalry the sooner we'll have better government. This whole "my team is better than your team, because [insert stupid reason here]" is killing American politics, and it wasn't necessarily designed this way.


People can vote 3rd party. The Presidential Ballot was full of misfits. What is your point? Are you upset people aren't choosing a third party? If only there was some way to force people to vote the way you want them.
 
2013-05-29 08:26:00 AM

stoli n coke: Both sides r teh bad, so vote for the Republican who got trounced in the primaries and suddenly starts calling himself a libertarian.


Ah, a Huntsman fan, I see.
 
2013-05-29 08:26:38 AM
Third Parties....

Yeah, that's great and all, but it's mostly pie in the sky idealism or fringe whack jobs, from what I can tell. Libertarians can't seem to divorce themselves from the GOP, can barely get single digit support, and apparently have zero interest in building the local and state parties to grow a viable national party.

No, while I'm generally far to the left of the Democrats, any Democratic Socialist type of party in this country is doomed to irrelevancy it seems (There's Bernie Sanders, but I don't live in VT).

So, best option I see is actively voting against the GOP every chance I get... And every once in a while I get to vote for a candidate I mostly agree with and support (Liz Warren, for instance).
 
2013-05-29 08:26:47 AM

Satanic_Hamster: thamike: jehovahs witness protection: They refuse to study Democrats because of fear of the IRS, DOJ, FBI...

[i915.photobucket.com image 850x390]

This will keep happening until you start reading.

It's a blatant troll account.  You think it cares?


This one does.
 
2013-05-29 08:27:13 AM

nmrsnr: stoli n coke: Both sides r teh bad, so vote for the Republican who got trounced in the primaries and suddenly starts calling himself a libertarian.

Ah, a Huntsman fan, I see.


or bob barr.

when you've got two straight elections when you run republican primary losers, it's really kinda hard to see the big L party as anything more than the republican farm leagues.
 
2013-05-29 08:27:43 AM

TalenLee: keylock71: They all lie, regardless of party, but my hatred of the GOP is based more on their gleeful callousness towards their fellow countrymen, their proudly ignorant stances on, well, just about everything, and their regressive, plutocratic policies.

There is nothing redeemable about the GOP... You can put every single Republican on barge, float it out into the Atlantic and scuttle it for all I care anymore.

Look at it from the outside, and you would believe the only thing Americans hate more than everything non-American is other Americans.


Pretty much. But I'm a curmudgeon.
 
2013-05-29 08:28:51 AM
The GOP lies?  Unpossible.  They have the market cornered on The Truth™, and don't need any of those pesky Libfacts™ to get in the way.
 
2013-05-29 08:31:25 AM
Maybe both sides are bad. But I've heard a lot more racism, intolerance, misogyny, stupidity, and outright hatred coming out of Republican mouths in recent years than I have Democrats.
 
2013-05-29 08:31:58 AM

Lackofname: Who is he going to go to to get his agenda passed?


Overrated problem. Presidents from the major parties have that trouble with their own parties already. Bush 41 didn't get along well with congressional Republicans. Liberals biatched and moaned about Bill Clinton whenever he wasn't busy winning elections. Jimmy Carter had a horrible time with his Democratic-majority Congress - it got so bad that Ted Kennedy was leading Carter by more than 2:1 in polls of Democrats in 1979. (Then Teddy showed up half-in-the-bag for a nationally-televised interview, and returned to his old life of molesting waitresses while being fawned over by the Boston Globe.)

Let's say Gary Johnson wins a presidential election. Using his 2012 platform as a rough guide...there's nothing in there that's all that far off the beaten path.
 
2013-05-29 08:34:42 AM

FLMountainMan: TalenLee: keylock71: They all lie, regardless of party, but my hatred of the GOP is based more on their gleeful callousness towards their fellow countrymen, their proudly ignorant stances on, well, just about everything, and their regressive, plutocratic policies.
There is nothing redeemable about the GOP... You can put every single Republican on barge, float it out into the Atlantic and scuttle it for all I care anymore.
Look at it from the outside, and you would believe the only thing Americans hate more than everything non-American is other Americans.
THIS.  From reading the Fark political tab, you would think that Democrats and Republicans live in separate isolated communities, never interacting with each other.


Both sides are bad? So clever and edgy. But something tells me you vote Republican.

/hint, its you.
 
2013-05-29 08:34:54 AM

dittybopper: Halli: Wayne Allyn Root was a major candidate for Libertarian party. Should people really vote for someone like that just because?

Was he the only 3rd party choice?  Or were there more?  I'm guess he wasn't the only 3rd party candidate.

See, that's the great thing about it:  You get more choices than just the asshole or the shiathead.


No, with a 3rd party you get exactly one more choice. A, B, or C. What you are talking about is not 3rd party, but open candidacy. The reason that is doomed to fail is that you will never get even one million people to all agree on the best candidate in a truly open field, let alone the 40 or 50 million needed to win a national election. There can be no independent candidate victor, because it is impossible to actually appeal to the many people. With party politics you identify with an ideal, and vote the party's nominee because he's the closest you're realistically going to get.
 
2013-05-29 08:38:11 AM

keylock71: So, best option I see is actively voting against the GOP every chance I get... And every once in a while I get to vote for a candidate I mostly agree with and support (Liz Warren, for instance).


Pretty much. Even a vote against a seemingly reasonable Republican in a small local election counts for something. That's one less guy in that side gaining experience, rubbing elbows, advancing his political career up the ladder, etc. It all ads up.

If you don't believe me, let me remind you all what a disaster 2010 was at the state and local level. Now we've got Teabaggers gerrymandering themselves the House for the foreseeable future, disenfranchising voters, selling off state infrastructure in no-bid auctions, mandating more guns into schools, practically outlawing abortion, etc.
 
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