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(BBC)   Chinese hackers steal blueprints for US weapons systems. Apparently they were tired of buying them from Israel   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 16
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2013-05-28 05:58:19 PM  
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vpb: NostroZ:
Please educate yourself before you claim the US helped in the War of Independence, or anytime before the 60s... Israel is its own country with or without the US help, get used to it, the Jews are not your pets to chose if they can live or die.

I hate to break it to you, but I don't owe Israel.  In the Yom Kippur war Israel would have gone under is the US hadn't saved it.  If anyone owes anyone anything then it's Israel that owes us, not the other way around.

I wish I could say that the USA was it's own country and that we aren't your "pets" as you put it, but there seems to be a massive lobby called AIPAC that says otherwise.

I'll stop "hating on Israel" when Israel stops sucking $3 billion per year out of my country and selling it's technology to foreign countries.  Oh, and spying on us too,


You're not 'breaking' anything to me in stating that you feel you owe nothing to Israel.

You are causing some alarms to say that you wish the USA could be it's own country and was not a pet of the Jews.

That is some real old world antisemitism that I'd like you to get checked.  It reminds me of the Jobbik party in Hungary and how they feel the Roma and Jews have parasited on their country.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-28 05:36:33 PM  
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NostroZ:
Please educate yourself before you claim the US helped in the War of Independence, or anytime before the 60s... Israel is its own country with or without the US help, get used to it, the Jews are not your pets to chose if they can live or die.

I hate to break it to you, but I don't owe Israel.  In the Yom Kippur war Israel would have gone under is the US hadn't saved it.  If anyone owes anyone anything then it's Israel that owes us, not the other way around.

I wish I could say that the USA was it's own country and that we aren't your "pets" as you put it, but there seems to be a massive lobby called AIPAC that says otherwise.

I'll stop "hating on Israel" when Israel stops sucking $3 billion per year out of my country and selling it's technology to foreign countries.  Oh, and spying on us too,
2013-05-28 05:28:46 PM  
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US was pushing for a Jewish state in the UN, was the first country to recognize Israel and help brokered the armistice.

I was referring to the Six day war-But the US helped Jewish nation after WW2. Sometimes they had other alternative plans and it wasn't always unanimous.

Personally, the Chinese are the bastards here. I'm not sure was stubby brought Israel up.
2013-05-28 05:25:22 PM  
1 votes:
Well, Bubba Clinton isn't around anymore to get nuke plans from, they have to get them somewhere....
2013-05-28 05:18:16 PM  
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vpb: NostroZ:

In this article there is no mention of Israel... only China doing hacking... yet subby mentions Israel and all we're talking about is Israel... you see what I mean about double standards.and how some people LOVE to HATE on Jews... even when they are NOT MENTIONED, they will be brought in to scapegoat the hate.

So if I don't want to give $3 billion a year to someone then I am anti-semetic?  I don't want to give that to France either, so I am....what?  Anti Gallic?

And you are the one who turned this into an Israel thread.  What did you think spouting all that nonsense was going to accomplish?


The subby is the one who chose to make this about Israel, not me...

BTW, you don't give shyat to Israel, your government does... the same goes with Egypt, Pakistan, Columbia, and the over thousand military bases you have around the world.  All financial decisions your were not and will never be consulted on.

Put your big boy pants on and stop crying.
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2013-05-28 05:14:14 PM  
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NostroZ:

In this article there is no mention of Israel... only China doing hacking... yet subby mentions Israel and all we're talking about is Israel... you see what I mean about double standards.and how some people LOVE to HATE on Jews... even when they are NOT MENTIONED, they will be brought in to scapegoat the hate.

So if I don't want to give $3 billion a year to someone then I am anti-semetic?  I don't want to give that to France either, so I am....what?  Anti Gallic?

And you are the one who turned this into an Israel thread.  What did you think spouting all that nonsense was going to accomplish?
2013-05-28 05:08:43 PM  
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NostroZ: You think they want to kill you because you love the Jews?


"Love The Jews" != "Support Israel."

similarly,

"Condemns Israel's actions in the region" != "hates Jews"

No matter how much you want to spin it that way.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-28 05:08:24 PM  
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NostroZ: Darth_Lukecash: Except, you know, without all that airlifting an weapons and stuff....

In 1947/48... War of Independence... Really?
Citation Needed.

We're not talking about after the six day war in the 60s, after which America realized that Israel has some nice military technology and would be a useful strategic ally... you'll have to provide a bit more than your presumptive word.


Yes, we are talking about after the six day war, the Yom Kippur war in particular.

I have never understood the claim that Israel is an important strategic ally.  Against what?

What are they going to do, help us defend Israel?
2013-05-28 05:05:53 PM  
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vpb: NostroZ: unlikely: NostroZ: It's not like Israel didn't survive without America before,

er... what?

Errr... ya... get your head from deep inside your rear and answer me where was the United States when ALL the neighboring Arab states attacked the Jews in 1947?

Please tell me about the US soldiers, boats, and planes that were sent to protect the little country from Syria, Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon.  Go ahead:

Here's a map so you can point to it and say "America helped here" with blood and sweat;
[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x342]


I'm sure your grandfather was there defending the Jews on behalf of America... Yes?

Who do you think pays for those billions of dollars in military and economic aid that props Israel up?  And why do you think there are so many Muslims keen on killing Americans?

$3 billion in annual aid is the sweat and the Americans killed over someone else's fight is the blood.


You think they want to kill you because you love the Jews?

Is that really what you believe?  That once you rid yourself of the Jews the Muslims will accept you with open arms?

Wow... you're pretty cowardly and delusional to hold such views.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-28 05:01:14 PM  
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NostroZ: unlikely: NostroZ: It's not like Israel didn't survive without America before,

er... what?

Errr... ya... get your head from deep inside your rear and answer me where was the United States when ALL the neighboring Arab states attacked the Jews in 1947?

Please tell me about the US soldiers, boats, and planes that were sent to protect the little country from Syria, Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon.  Go ahead:

Here's a map so you can point to it and say "America helped here" with blood and sweat;
[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x342]


I'm sure your grandfather was there defending the Jews on behalf of America... Yes?


Who do you think pays for those billions of dollars in military and economic aid that props Israel up?  And why do you think there are so many Muslims keen on killing Americans?

$3 billion in annual aid is the sweat and the Americans killed over someone else's fight is the blood.
2013-05-28 04:55:54 PM  
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vpb: So, admitting that Israel undermines US national security and steals the intellectual property of US companies is "hating on Israel"?


No, what is hateful is using an article about CHINA stealing US TECHNOLOGY to make a point about Israel.  That's what's hateful.

China is the one undermining national security... but scapegoating Israel is easier.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-28 04:52:32 PM  
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NostroZ: vpb: So?  They agreed to protect US technology when we shared it with them and to not export it without US approval.  If they can't live up to their agreements then we should stop providing them with our technology.  Not to mention that it's intellectual property that doesn't belong to them so they are basically stealing from US companies.

Yeah... it's too bad... would be a lot easier to steal/replicate the technology without any of the diplomatic niceties like China does.

I agree... Israel should not accept ANY US military aid and to compensate for loss of sale, be allowed to sell the highest grade military equipment to anyone they deem profitable (Venezuela, Fark rebels in Columbia, Cuba, Afghanistan, etc.)

It's not like Israel didn't survive without America before, it will survive without America again... no biggy... just don't hate on Israel when it's clear that China is the one that wants the technology at any cost.


So, admitting that Israel undermines US national security and steals the intellectual property of US companies is "hating on Israel"?

I think Israel could survive without US aid too, and they would if they didn't have such a powerful lobby.  If Israel can't stand on it's own two feet after 65 years then it's time to admit that the whole thing was a mistake.
2013-05-28 04:48:27 PM  
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NostroZ: It's not like Israel didn't survive without America before,


er... what?
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-28 04:32:09 PM  
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NostroZ: Not sure where subby gets his info from... but Israel will be America's number one ally when it comes to cyber-security and prevention of these types of info leaks in the future.

As far as weapons sales, well, all I found was that Israel cancelled it's sale to China in 2000 over US concerns.

I know it's hard to understand this... but Israel is it's own country... China is its own country... please try to realize that other people in the world have wills just like you.


So?  They agreed to protect US technology when we shared it with them and to not export it without US approval.  If they can't live up to their agreements then we should stop providing them with our technology.  Not to mention that it's intellectual property that doesn't belong to them so they are basically stealing from US companies.

Try "Googling Israel sells US secrets to China" and look at all the incidents that come up.
2013-05-28 04:17:10 PM  
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Not sure where subby gets his info from... but Israel will be America's number one ally when it comes to cyber-security and prevention of these types of info leaks in the future.

As far as weapons sales, well, all I found was that Israel cancelled it's sale to China in 2000 over US concerns.

I know it's hard to understand this... but Israel is it's own country... China is its own country... please try to realize that other people in the world have wills just like you.
2013-05-28 04:00:12 PM  
1 votes:
Look, the Chinese don't have time for haggling.
 
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