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(Washington Post)   Since the start of the fiscal year, Washington DC's top 10 $peed cameras have generated almost $30 million of $afety for the city. Wow, DC must have the $afest drivers in the world   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 55
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2013-05-28 09:21:20 AM  
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2013-05-28 09:21:39 AM  
Since Congress administers that city with no representation, it's a model of Congressional governance. And guess who doesn't need to pay the tickets.
 
2013-05-28 09:22:09 AM  
I detect $arcasm in the headline.
 
Rat
2013-05-28 09:24:53 AM  
If 305 folks per day are getting tickets for going over 25 MPH, perhaps its the posted speed that is the problem.  Have you ever tried to drive 25, I'd almost rather get out and walk.

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2013-05-28 09:26:30 AM  
Don't want them to make money? Don't speed (break the law).
 
2013-05-28 09:28:25 AM  

werbito: Don't want them to make money? Don't speed (break the law).


There are places chock-a-block with cameras (395) where the highway is 4-6 lanes across, mostly straight and the speed limit is 40.  Its absurd
 
2013-05-28 09:28:25 AM  
Since I live in Maryland, I can tell you that your assumption is wrong.

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2013-05-28 09:28:34 AM  
I gotta say, though, that shiat works. People in DC drive SLOW. Most frustrating place to drive I've ever been. If the expressway opens up in the middle of the night, they still go 55 in the right lane, while Virginia and Maryland drivers whoosh by them.

The advantage comes if you're a pedestrian or cyclist in DC.

They also drive like self-entitled dicks who would rather hit you than let you merge, but at least they do it slowly for the most part.
 
2013-05-28 09:29:04 AM  
I've taken a cab ride in DC. It was.... interesting, in a terrifying way. I'm pretty sure the tickets being generated by those cameras are 100% legitimate.
 
2013-05-28 09:30:25 AM  
werbido Don't want them to make money? Don't speed (break the law).

Brilliant!
Thank you so much for your contribution!

/thread over?
 
2013-05-28 09:31:14 AM  
If the cameras are improving safety, then that location on K Street must have been pure hell prior to the cameras.  Based on the amount of safety that being inflicted now, there must have been daily deaths and wall-to-wall accidents before.

I'm not a DC resident, but as a tourist there 2 weeks ago, I was waaaaaaaay more concerned with the traffic and pedestrians around me to watch for speed limits signs.  I just moved with the flow of the cars.
 
2013-05-28 09:31:36 AM  
More taxes brought to you by more technology.
 
2013-05-28 09:32:15 AM  
I work almost directly across the street from an elementary school. During the morning hours and again in the afternoon when school lets out, the speed limit is 20mph. On both sides of the road there is a big sign with a flashing yellow light that hangs over the street warning drivers of the speed limit.
At least three times a week, a couple of sheriff's deputies stand on the side of the road with their radar and pop people for speeding, one after another. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

When you choose to speed, you run the risk of getting caught. It doesn't matter who catches you, or by what means they catch you. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed.

Call me a radical, I know........
 
2013-05-28 09:32:44 AM  

BitwiseShift: Since Congress administers that city with no representation, it's a model of Congressional governance. And guess who doesn't need to pay the tickets.


You must have missed the recent change to home rule. And technically, they're supposed to pay their tickets (although nobody duns them if they don't).
 
2013-05-28 09:33:46 AM  
Not that there would be any other motive for putting cameras all over the nation's capital.
/Adjusts tin-foil hat.
 
2013-05-28 09:34:52 AM  

bucket_pup: Since I live in Maryland, I can tell you that your assumption is wrong.

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As someone from Maryland, who lives in DC, fark this shiat!

I have determined my two rules for driving in DC:
DC drivers will only make the moves that cause maximum inconvenience to the most people possible.
I will drive as if everyone around me is an absolute faking moron.

As  for driving slow... if 6 miles over the speed limit can net you $180.00 on a traffic camera, you'd drive slow too.
 
2013-05-28 09:42:02 AM  
Hence when I travel to DC, I take the Metro in.  Park at the Greenbelt, MD station and enjoy the Metro line to the Mall.
 
2013-05-28 09:45:44 AM  

LandOfChocolate: werbito: Don't want them to make money? Don't speed (break the law).

There are places chock-a-block with cameras (395) where the highway is 4-6 lanes across, mostly straight and the speed limit is 40.  Its absurd


they got me on that one earlier this year. $100 speeding ticket for going 65 MPH on a goddamn highway. I just thank god those things don't assign points as well.
 
2013-05-28 09:46:00 AM  

beerrun: I work almost directly across the street from an elementary school. During the morning hours and again in the afternoon when school lets out, the speed limit is 20mph. On both sides of the road there is a big sign with a flashing yellow light that hangs over the street warning drivers of the speed limit.
At least three times a week, a couple of sheriff's deputies stand on the side of the road with their radar and pop people for speeding, one after another. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

When you choose to speed, you run the risk of getting caught. It doesn't matter who catches you, or by what means they catch you. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed.

Call me a radical, I know........


You're one of those cute little people who equate legal with just, aren't you?
 
2013-05-28 09:47:28 AM  
The ratio of DC drivers to those who actually spent their formative years learning to drive in DC is, pulling statistics out of my ass, approximately 10:1.

When you combine hundreds of thousands of people who learned to drive in Oklahoma City and Boise and Camden and Dubai and Bonn and Asmara and Montevideo, things get to be a little more interesting than they are on the streets of wherever you live.
 
2013-05-28 09:58:26 AM  

Carousel Beast: You're one of those cute little people who equate legal with just, aren't you?


In most places it is also illegal to drive with a BAC over .08.  Is that just or simply another annoying money grab by the government?  After all neither speeding or driving drunk ever causes accidents and/or deaths.  Not for excellent drivers anyway.
 
2013-05-28 10:00:07 AM  
I love the ones next to the waste facility.
limit drops to 50 right before it
and there's a decoy camera box before the real one
bastards
 
2013-05-28 10:04:45 AM  
If this was all about safety, it would be illegal to shorten the yellows in order to increase revenue.

Pretty much everywhere I have heard of speed cameras, they shorten the yellows.
 
2013-05-28 10:06:32 AM  

RickN99: If the cameras are improving safety, then that location on K Street must have been pure hell prior to the cameras.


The number one camera - $8.1 million in fines in 7 months - is beneath ground level on a K St. stretch unaccessible to pedestrians. And the speed limit is 25.
 
2013-05-28 10:15:39 AM  
Carousel Beast:

You're one of those cute little people who equate legal with just, aren't you?

No, I'm one of those cute little people who realize that there are consequences for breaking the law, no matter how unjust you may think it is.
Don't like it? Fine, go do something to bring about change.
Until then, go shake your tiny fist at some more clouds.
 
2013-05-28 10:15:42 AM  
Here's my argument:

The speeds are posted. Those speeds are chosen because they have been determined to be the most appropriate speed for the given traffic situation (in most scenarios.)

If you see that sign and you choose to ignore it, especially on a regular basis, then it's safe to say you just don't care. And if you don't care, why should the government? If you're speeding because you're late, or ran that light because you didn't want to sit through it again, tough. But if you insist on breaking the law, then I'm going to insist you get fined for it.

If you're running late, leave earlier. If you don't want to stop at the light when it turns red, oh well. Be glad you're just getting a ticket for running that light and not getting into a wreck and killing someone.

It takes me 45 minutes to get to work every day and I have to cross two counties to do it. I see you motherfarkers every single day doing 85 in the left lane weaving in and out of lanes without using a blinker, crossing double solid yellow lines into oncoming traffic just to be one car closer to that red light. I hope you get into a wreck and kill yourself. It'll be one less bad driver on the road. I wish that double if you're talking or texting while driving.

Meanwhile, I'll be a considerate driver, use my blinkers even when no one is around, and I'll put my cruise control on the speed limit while I stay in the right lane except when passing. Then I'll speed up just enough to overtake you, but not enough to be dangerous. And I'll arrive at work on time because I didn't wait until I was already late to leave my house and I'll get good gas mileage for doing it. I'll yield to the right of way, stop at stop signs, and I won't hold up traffic to turn across a double solid trying to get to McDonald's. And I sure as shiat won't making a yielding right turn only to make an illegal u-turn to make another yielding right because I really wanted to drive straight but didn't want to stop at the red light. But here's a hint: the fine is the same for both actions.

And I'll do all of this because I'm a good and courteous driver, and because I don't like to pay traffic fines nor endanger myself or others' lives.
 
2013-05-28 10:17:35 AM  

TheUltimateLink: Here's my argument:

The speeds are posted. Those speeds are chosen because they have been determined to be the most appropriate speed for the given traffic situation (in most scenarios.)

If you see that sign and you choose to ignore it, especially on a regular basis, then it's safe to say you just don't care. And if you don't care, why should the government? If you're speeding because you're late, or ran that light because you didn't want to sit through it again, tough. But if you insist on breaking the law, then I'm going to insist you get fined for it.

If you're running late, leave earlier. If you don't want to stop at the light when it turns red, oh well. Be glad you're just getting a ticket for running that light and not getting into a wreck and killing someone.

It takes me 45 minutes to get to work every day and I have to cross two counties to do it. I see you motherfarkers every single day doing 85 in the left lane weaving in and out of lanes without using a blinker, crossing double solid yellow lines into oncoming traffic just to be one car closer to that red light. I hope you get into a wreck and kill yourself. It'll be one less bad driver on the road. I wish that double if you're talking or texting while driving.

Meanwhile, I'll be a considerate driver, use my blinkers even when no one is around, and I'll put my cruise control on the speed limit while I stay in the right lane except when passing. Then I'll speed up just enough to overtake you, but not enough to be dangerous. And I'll arrive at work on time because I didn't wait until I was already late to leave my house and I'll get good gas mileage for doing it. I'll yield to the right of way, stop at stop signs, and I won't hold up traffic to turn across a double solid trying to get to McDonald's. And I sure as shiat won't making a yielding right turn only to make an illegal u-turn to make another yielding right because I really wanted to drive straight but didn't want to stop at the red light. But h ...


Society's greatest monster.
 
2013-05-28 10:19:09 AM  
beerrun: Society's greatest monster.

Would you care to elaborate?
 
2013-05-28 10:20:55 AM  

C0rf: The ratio of DC drivers to those who actually spent their formative years learning to drive in DC is, pulling statistics out of my ass, approximately 10:1.

When you combine hundreds of thousands of people who learned to drive in Oklahoma City and Boise and Camden and Dubai and Bonn and Asmara and Montevideo, things get to be a little more interesting than they are on the streets of wherever you live.


Or Sudan, or Sicily, or...

Then it snows. Wheeeeeeee!
 
2013-05-28 10:21:09 AM  

ko_kyi: If this was all about safety, it would be illegal to shorten the yellows in order to increase revenue.

Pretty much everywhere I have heard of speed cameras, they shorten the yellows.


Georgia had issues with cities shortening their yellows so they wrote it into state law.  It caused lots of cities around me to drop their contracts since tickets went down by 80ish%.

40-14-22:  ...The minimal yellow light change interval time shall be established in accordance with nationally recognized engineering standards, and any such established time shall not be less than the recognized national standard plus one additional second. ...
 
2013-05-28 10:22:46 AM  

TheUltimateLink: beerrun: Society's greatest monster.

Would you care to elaborate?


If you hung out at all in the politics tab, you would realize I was being sarcastic.
 
2013-05-28 10:26:17 AM  
It's probably a good thing I don't hang out there. I'm just a big fan of driving safe and following God's one commandment: Don't be a douche.

And putting the lives of everyone in danger due to bad inconsiderate driving is something I have no tolerance for.
 
2013-05-28 10:27:21 AM  

beerrun: Carousel Beast:

You're one of those cute little people who equate legal with just, aren't you?

No, I'm one of those cute little people who realize that there are consequences for breaking the law, no matter how unjust you may think it is.
Don't like it? Fine, go do something to bring about change.
Until then, go shake your tiny fist at some more clouds.


You're just adorable!

/Protesting is doing something, even the lame on-the-internet variety
//You knuckle under well, though. Ever consider a position as lapdog?
 
2013-05-28 10:32:10 AM  

TheUltimateLink: It's probably a good thing I don't hang out there. I'm just a big fan of driving safe and following God's one commandment: Don't be a douche.

And putting the lives of everyone in danger due to bad inconsiderate driving is something I have no tolerance for.


Out of curiosity, what do you do to the people you see speeding around you every day?  If you don't tolerate their bad driving, what action do you take against them to show your lack of tolerance?  Or, do you do like most people and ignore the bad drivers, therefore completely tolerating them?
 
2013-05-28 11:01:19 AM  
The #1 and #6 cameras on the graphic are right where the whitehurst expressway really ends.  (yeah, there's a light, but coming up out of that tunnel is really where it stops).  I'll tell you, people go WAY too fast there.  It's right next to a hospital and George Washington University.

Most of those cameras are justified.  The fact that they make a lot of money is 100% due to the fact that people are stupid, careless and need to be fined for trying to kill people who actually live here.

Thank you.

/DC resident.
 
2013-05-28 11:04:09 AM  
By the way, I've lived in and driven in DC for over 20 years.  Want to know how many times I've been caught by a speeding or red light camera?

ZERO

Don't be a douchebag and you won't get caught by the camera.  It's really not that hard.
 
2013-05-28 11:05:00 AM  
Carousel Beast:
You're just adorable!

Hey now, back off Sparky.
As flattering as you are, you're gonna give people around here the wrong idea.
 
2013-05-28 11:05:39 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: RickN99: If the cameras are improving safety, then that location on K Street must have been pure hell prior to the cameras.

The number one camera - $8.1 million in fines in 7 months - is beneath ground level on a K St. stretch unaccessible to pedestrians. And the speed limit is 25.


I always went topside through the traffic circle on my bicycle to avoid that tunnel before the speed camera, because normal flow of traffic was about 45.
 
2013-05-28 11:06:23 AM  

RickN99: TheUltimateLink: It's probably a good thing I don't hang out there. I'm just a big fan of driving safe and following God's one commandment: Don't be a douche.

And putting the lives of everyone in danger due to bad inconsiderate driving is something I have no tolerance for.

Out of curiosity, what do you do to the people you see speeding around you every day?  If you don't tolerate their bad driving, what action do you take against them to show your lack of tolerance?  Or, do you do like most people and ignore the bad drivers, therefore completely tolerating them?


I call up the police dispatchers and report them. I get license plates when I can. Believe it or not, it helps. I've gotten a call from a dispatcher saying one of the persons I reported was intoxicated, in a stolen vehicle, and had a warrant out for arrest, but she wouldn't say what the warrant was for. I take it that must have meant it was serious, but I try not to speculate.
 
2013-05-28 11:12:23 AM  
The real problem is that safety engineers couldn't give a crap about motorists' desire to get places quickly; they set speed limits with a huge safety margin. Motorists in most places account for that by driving 10 mph over the posted limit (or in the case of arbitrary federal limits based on population density rather than road architecture, as on the Atlanta expressways, they may add 20 to 30). When you put in speed cameras that actually enforce the posted limit, it gums up the works. Set speed cameras at 35 in a 25 zone, and you'd catch the reckless assholes who really are dangerous, without irritating safe drivers who just happened to slip a bit over the number on the sign.

BUT, you'd see a serious drop in revenue, and in a city like DC filled with untaxable federal real estate, every nickel of income is precious. So here's a straw for you to suck it the fark up.
 
2013-05-28 11:14:05 AM  

Terlis: Hence when I travel to DC, I take the Metro in.  Park at the Greenbelt, MD station and enjoy the Metro line to the Mall.


Yeah when I go downtown now I take the metro. I've never been nailed by a cam but I'm sure if you are going 25.5 it will nail you.


Katie98_KT: LandOfChocolate: werbito: Don't want them to make money? Don't speed (break the law).

There are places chock-a-block with cameras (395) where the highway is 4-6 lanes across, mostly straight and the speed limit is 40.  Its absurd

they got me on that one earlier this year. $100 speeding ticket for going 65 MPH on a goddamn highway. I just thank god those things don't assign points as well.


Yeah that spot on 395 is crazy a nice big highway where you go 40. I used to drive on it at night a lot for work and that camera was always flashing. It scared the shiat outta me the first few times
 
2013-05-28 11:29:24 AM  

ko_kyi: If this was all about safety, it would be illegal to shorten the yellows in order to increase revenue.

Pretty much everywhere I have heard of speed cameras, they shorten the yellows.


You don't need as long a yellow cycle where the speed is reduced (due to speed cameras, I'm sure) since it takes less time for a vehicle to come to a complete stop.  You can easily reduce the time by a second or two.  However, if they're cutting it right in half or more, that's a problem.  And, if someone gets into a wreck because of it, and knows a good lawyer and transportation engineer, it could cost the city some $$$.

Odds are, though, the yellow cycle was probably already at national standards before the city decided to cut it.  Wouldn't put it past 'em.  Especially since it's happened many times before.

TheUltimateLink: Here's my argument:

The speeds are posted. Those speeds are chosen because they have been determined to be the most appropriate speed for the given traffic situation (in most scenarios.)


I once went to college for transportation engineering, so I'm really getting a kick out of some of these replies...

;)
 
2013-05-28 11:43:56 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: RickN99: If the cameras are improving safety, then that location on K Street must have been pure hell prior to the cameras.

The number one camera - $8.1 million in fines in 7 months - is beneath ground level on a K St. stretch unaccessible to pedestrians. And the speed limit is 25.


They may as well have put up a mannequin of Cletus the Gap Toothed Yokel with a speed gun pointing up
the street, this particular camera is so blatantly a revenue generating device.

I vividly remember when it was first put in:  it was put in facing the westbound/outbound lanes first, but I
imagine they didn't get as much revenue safety from the people leaving town as they did from people
coming inbound in the mornings (and given the number of high-powered lobbyists & offices along that
stretch of K NW, they definitely must be VERY VERY safe).

I got tagged by it a couple of times during the grace period when they were just sending out notices and
not actually asking for money.  Actually, it was 3 times on 3 successive days.  Fortunately, I can bag off of
K just before the trap to get to my job, so I have not had to worry about it, but it is the most blatant of
blatant cash grabs I've ever seen in this town (and that's saying something).
 
2013-05-28 12:35:13 PM  

beerrun: I work almost directly across the street from an elementary school. During the morning hours and again in the afternoon when school lets out, the speed limit is 20mph. On both sides of the road there is a big sign with a flashing yellow light that hangs over the street warning drivers of the speed limit.
At least three times a week, a couple of sheriff's deputies stand on the side of the road with their radar and pop people for speeding, one after another. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

When you choose to speed, you run the risk of getting caught. It doesn't matter who catches you, or by what means they catch you. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed.

Call me a radical, I know........


Let's see if you can spot the difference: (1) flashing yellow lights outsdie of an elementar school, with a speed limit reduced specifically when schoolchildren are likely to be on the road vs. (2) a divided highway that runs undergrounds with no method of pedestrian access.

I absolutely agree that anyone speeding in #1 poses a danger and deserves their ticket. Number 2 (with a 25mph limit and $100 tickets for travelling 40+) is a blatant revenue-generating speed trap with no safety motive whatsoever.
 
2013-05-28 01:18:40 PM  

TheUltimateLink: And I'll do all of this because I'm a good and courteous driver, and because I don't like to pay traffic fines nor endanger myself or others' lives.


I agree with you and try my best to do the same, but I won't have my head in the sand when it comes to the fact that some speed limits are a joke and made low only to set up speed traps.

I firmly believe that it's not speed that's the issue, it's bad drivers.

If people would use their signal lights, stay in their lanes (and stop stepping over the center lines), be courteous, and understand that it's about getting to your destination safely (for yourself and others) and not a race, things would be a lot better.

Those that believe themselves good drivers while not understanding their own limits are some of the worse drivers.

I see more accidents or near misses due to people that simply should not be behind a wheel, but I'm sure that they will all believe themselves to be great and safe drivers.  There's nothing I hate more than seeing someone cause a near-miss and they keep going, completely oblivious to what they just did.
 
2013-05-28 01:19:27 PM  

TheUltimateLink: RickN99: TheUltimateLink: It's probably a good thing I don't hang out there. I'm just a big fan of driving safe and following God's one commandment: Don't be a douche.

And putting the lives of everyone in danger due to bad inconsiderate driving is something I have no tolerance for.

Out of curiosity, what do you do to the people you see speeding around you every day?  If you don't tolerate their bad driving, what action do you take against them to show your lack of tolerance?  Or, do you do like most people and ignore the bad drivers, therefore completely tolerating them?

I call up the police dispatchers and report them. I get license plates when I can. Believe it or not, it helps. I've gotten a call from a dispatcher saying one of the persons I reported was intoxicated, in a stolen vehicle, and had a warrant out for arrest, but she wouldn't say what the warrant was for. I take it that must have meant it was serious, but I try not to speculate.


I've wanted to do this so many times, but never have.  Glad somebody does it.  Do you call 911 or do you just have the PD ph#?

/also, I assume you safely pull over to dial, and are not just talking on the phone while driving
 
2013-05-28 02:20:36 PM  

LandOfChocolate: werbito: Don't want them to make money? Don't speed (break the law).

There are places chock-a-block with cameras (395) where the highway is 4-6 lanes across, mostly straight and the speed limit is 40.  Its absurd


TheUltimateLink: Here's my argument:

The speeds are posted. Those speeds are chosen because they have been determined to be the most appropriate speed for the given traffic situation (in most scenarios.)


As with the 395 cameras, the New York Avenue camera (the one out by Rev. Moon's paper), the speed limit is 40.  This, despite its being, again, 4-6 lanes and essentially a freeway at that point, since the only remaining navigational options are to merge onto 50 East and merge onto the B-W Parkway North.  As "LandOfChocolate" noted, the speed limits are not, in fact, appropriate to the traffic situations.  Rather, the locations of some of the cameras and the speed limits at those locations are carefully calibrated to snag the maximum number of suburban non-residents.  I do sympathize with the fiscal constraints imposed on the last plantation by the federal government's tax-free status.  But let's call D.C.'s shameless rent-gathering what it is.
 
2013-05-28 02:36:12 PM  

Rat: If 305 folks per day are getting tickets for going over 25 MPH, perhaps its the posted speed that is the problem.  Have you ever tried to drive 25, I'd almost rather get out and walk.

©


As someone who's been pinched by this camera a couple of times, I can tell you that the posted speed limit is a JOKE.  I used to drive this stretch of road EVERY DAY at rush hour and never saw an accident there prior to the cameras (nor after, for that matter).  As someone else mentioned, there are no pedestrians and next to no bikers that use that stretch of road.  My biggest issue is that the camera is on a stretch of road that goes under a circle.  You go downhill until you're directly under the circle, then up a ramp to get back to ground level again.  The camera is on the uphill part of the ramp...right when you're trying to accelerate out of the tunnel.  In order to go 25 by the camera, you have to slow yourself down so much on the downhill part that you're nearly stopped when you hit the uphill part of the ramp. It's THE WORST.
 
2013-05-28 07:22:52 PM  

beerrun: Carousel Beast:

You're one of those cute little people who equate legal with just, aren't you?

No, I'm one of those cute little people who realize that there are consequences for breaking the law, no matter how unjust you may think it is.
Don't like it? Fine, go do something to bring about change.
Until then, go shake your tiny fist at some more clouds.


I bet you're (and the others griping about speeders) one of those guys who goes five under in the left lane of a divided road to make some sort of point.  Sure, you may think you are following the law, except that in some states, like my home state of Virginia, it is against the law to prevent traffic from passing on the left.  Ultimately, a lot of the legal beagles are even less aware of the law than those they challenge

Heck, I'm amazed how often I see someone put up a fight, with some holier-than-thou attitude, but they get so focused on that that they don't even pay attention to what's going on around them, so they miss a sign that should change what they are doing or have to get over a couple lanes at the last second while there is a lot of traffic obstructing them that wasn't there a mile back.  But yes, you keep telling yourself that what you are doing is safe, legal, and courteous.  You won't ever look like a hypocrite doing that.
 
2013-05-28 07:28:02 PM  

TheUltimateLink: Here's my argument:

Those speeds are chosen because they have been determined to be the most appropriate speed for the given traffic situation


Yeah, the same way that yellow light duration is determined by how effectively a typical volume of cars can safely clear the intersection.

Uh-huh.

/your assertion is based on an assumption
 
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