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2013-05-28 04:02:24 AM
Oh Snaps
 
2013-05-28 05:40:40 AM
They didn't get stuck on a sewage barge for a week, yay!
 
2013-05-28 06:43:52 AM
Is there some kind of voodoo curse going around for cruise ships lately? I mean I *know* there's one on Carnival, but was this just an errant curse targeting system or...?
 
2013-05-28 06:45:11 AM
Well done.

On the other hand, WTF is with the cruise ship issues lately?  I can't remember there ever being a major problem on a cruise, with a couple notable exceptions, and now it seems it's happening every other week.
 
2013-05-28 06:45:21 AM
Fires at sea always extinguish eventually, plenty of wet stuff that doesn't burn, these pussies should've just stayed out there and drank harder while toasting marshmallows. Maybe throw an unwanted relative overboard and say 'the fire ate them'. But rushing back to land and acting like something bad happened, that's the actions of a weak-willed pussy Captain.
 
2013-05-28 06:50:15 AM
d.asset.soup.io

They handled it better than I would.
 
2013-05-28 06:53:21 AM
Put water on it...
 
2013-05-28 06:53:47 AM
I've booked my cruise on the Morro Castle. I heard it's a hot ship.
 
2013-05-28 06:54:01 AM
Eventually a couple hundred people will die on one of these deathtraps. Then we'll begin a ten-year process that will culminate in watered-down regulations and fat tax credits for cruise companies.
 
2013-05-28 07:02:00 AM

AngryDragon: Well done.

On the other hand, WTF is with the cruise ship issues lately?  I can't remember there ever being a major problem on a cruise, with a couple notable exceptions, and now it seems it's happening every other week.


Because for the last 10-15 years it's been a race to steal as much money from everyone that you can damn the future. In the case of cruise lines, hiring incompetent temp staff and paying them next to nothing.  Ignoring regular maintenance for 'just one more run' over and over. If they can shift a few million from this into bonus checks, what's the worse that can happen? A few ships sink, maybe they get fired and take a few more million in a golden parachute. They didn't give a shiat about the company in the first place, it's just another business to rob into bankruptcy and move on to the next.
 
2013-05-28 07:03:25 AM
shiat like this just reminds me why I'm never putting my family onto a big floating buffet that's one clusterfark away from becoming Lord of the Flies.
 
2013-05-28 07:04:06 AM
Terrible situation, but the crew seemed to handle it pretty well. The company doesn't seem to be sucking, either. Good for them.
 
2013-05-28 07:09:03 AM

swaxhog: AngryDragon: Well done.

On the other hand, WTF is with the cruise ship issues lately?  I can't remember there ever being a major problem on a cruise, with a couple notable exceptions, and now it seems it's happening every other week.

Because for the last 10-15 years it's been a race to steal as much money from everyone that you can damn the future. In the case of cruise lines, hiring incompetent temp staff and paying them next to nothing.  Ignoring regular maintenance for 'just one more run' over and over. If they can shift a few million from this into bonus checks, what's the worse that can happen? A few ships sink, maybe they get fired and take a few more million in a golden parachute. They didn't give a shiat about the company in the first place, it's just another business to rob into bankruptcy and move on to the next.


I wanted to answer that question but am glad I let someone else, namely you, do it instead. Your reply is 100% correct.
Or, this.
 
2013-05-28 07:09:20 AM

swaxhog: AngryDragon: Well done.

On the other hand, WTF is with the cruise ship issues lately?  I can't remember there ever being a major problem on a cruise, with a couple notable exceptions, and now it seems it's happening every other week.

Because for the last 10-15 years it's been a race to steal as much money from everyone that you can damn the future. In the case of cruise lines, hiring incompetent temp staff and paying them next to nothing.  Ignoring regular maintenance for 'just one more run' over and over. If they can shift a few million from this into bonus checks, what's the worse that can happen? A few ships sink, maybe they get fired and take a few more million in a golden parachute. They didn't give a shiat about the company in the first place, it's just another business to rob into bankruptcy and move on to the next.


You sound tense, maybe you need a vacation?
 
2013-05-28 07:10:19 AM

Kibbler: Eventually a couple hundred people will die on one of these deathtraps.


Francesco Schettino's little stunt cost 32 people their lives.
 
2013-05-28 07:13:55 AM

unknownsoldier: shiat like this just reminds me why I'm never putting my family onto a big floating buffet that's one clusterfark away from becoming Lord of the Flies.


I was sincerely thinking of trying to get tickets to the 70,000 Tons of Metal cruise. Then what you just said crossed my mind, but with a couple thousand drunk metal heads involved. So, no. Just no, dude.
 
2013-05-28 07:16:16 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: unknownsoldier: shiat like this just reminds me why I'm never putting my family onto a big floating buffet that's one clusterfark away from becoming Lord of the Flies.

I was sincerely thinking of trying to get tickets to the 70,000 Tons of Metal cruise. Then what you just said crossed my mind, but with a couple thousand drunk metal heads involved. So, no. Just no, dude.


Couple gals I know went on that, had a great time.

But, I hear ya...
 
2013-05-28 07:18:14 AM
Royal Caribbean does cruises properly.  Except for their alcohol prices, they're a great cruise.
 
2013-05-28 07:18:43 AM

swaxhog: AngryDragon: Well done.

On the other hand, WTF is with the cruise ship issues lately?  I can't remember there ever being a major problem on a cruise, with a couple notable exceptions, and now it seems it's happening every other week.

Because for the last 10-15 years it's been a race to steal as much money from everyone that you can damn the future. In the case of cruise lines, hiring incompetent temp staff and paying them next to nothing.  Ignoring regular maintenance for 'just one more run' over and over. If they can shift a few million from this into bonus checks, what's the worse that can happen? A few ships sink, maybe they get fired and take a few more million in a golden parachute. They didn't give a shiat about the company in the first place, it's just another business to rob into bankruptcy and move on to the next.


While there is no denying this has been happening in a general sense in many industries.  How about some citations for these bold accusations?  Not every company is out to screw you.  Not every CEO is a greedy monster.

You aren't helping the problem by making uncited claims.
 
2013-05-28 07:20:16 AM
Royal Caribbean is the CostCo. Carnival is the Walmart.
 
2013-05-28 07:24:55 AM

s1ugg0: swaxhog: AngryDragon: Well done.

On the other hand, WTF is with the cruise ship issues lately?  I can't remember there ever being a major problem on a cruise, with a couple notable exceptions, and now it seems it's happening every other week.

Because for the last 10-15 years it's been a race to steal as much money from everyone that you can damn the future. In the case of cruise lines, hiring incompetent temp staff and paying them next to nothing.  Ignoring regular maintenance for 'just one more run' over and over. If they can shift a few million from this into bonus checks, what's the worse that can happen? A few ships sink, maybe they get fired and take a few more million in a golden parachute. They didn't give a shiat about the company in the first place, it's just another business to rob into bankruptcy and move on to the next.

While there is no denying this has been happening in a general sense in many industries.  How about some citations for these bold accusations?  Not every company is out to screw you.  Not every CEO is a greedy monster.

You aren't helping the problem by making uncited claims.


This, dammit.

We (the general public) have been led to believe that "get more for less" is a valid long-term strategy in life. It's not. We're getting less for less, not more. Thank you, WalMart shoppers.
 
2013-05-28 07:26:40 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Royal Caribbean is the CostCo. Carnival is the Walmart.




Do you have lines you would recommend?
 
2013-05-28 07:28:12 AM

Kibbler: Eventually a couple hundred people will die on one of these deathtraps. Then we'll begin a ten-year process that will culminate in watered-down regulations and fat tax credits for cruise companies.


You sound like a glass-half-empty kind of guy.
 
2013-05-28 07:29:21 AM

Dejah: Royal Caribbean does cruises properly.  Except for their alcohol prices, they're a great cruise.


if you are not sneaking booze into your checked luggage in a mouthwash bottle...you are not cruising the right way.
 
2013-05-28 07:33:23 AM

Kibbler: Eventually a couple hundred people will die on one of these deathtraps. Then we'll begin a ten-year process that will culminate in watered-down regulations and fat tax credits for cruise companies.


I think that happened 30 years ago.

Now we're in the era of seabourn serial killers and waiting death traps.
 
2013-05-28 07:35:23 AM

swaxhog: AngryDragon: Well done.

On the other hand, WTF is with the cruise ship issues lately?  I can't remember there ever being a major problem on a cruise, with a couple notable exceptions, and now it seems it's happening every other week.

Because for the last 10-15 years it's been a race to steal as much money from everyone that you can damn the future. In the case of cruise lines, hiring incompetent temp staff and paying them next to nothing.  Ignoring regular maintenance for 'just one more run' over and over. If they can shift a few million from this into bonus checks, what's the worse that can happen? A few ships sink, maybe they get fired and take a few more million in a golden parachute. They didn't give a shiat about the company in the first place, it's just another business to rob into bankruptcy and move on to the next.


Ah yes Vulture Capitalism® at its finest. A true capitalist should find vulture capitalism just as abhorant as communism.
 
2013-05-28 07:36:11 AM

swaxhog: AngryDragon: Well done.

On the other hand, WTF is with the cruise ship issues lately?  I can't remember there ever being a major problem on a cruise, with a couple notable exceptions, and now it seems it's happening every other week.

Because for the last 10-15 years it's been a race to steal as much money from everyone that you can damn the future. In the case of cruise lines, hiring incompetent temp staff and paying them next to nothing.  Ignoring regular maintenance for 'just one more run' over and over. If they can shift a few million from this into bonus checks, what's the worse that can happen? A few ships sink, maybe they get fired and take a few more million in a golden parachute. They didn't give a shiat about the company in the first place, it's just another business to rob into bankruptcy and move on to the next.


Your wrong, the management of most publicly traded companies care deeply about the future. Of course the future they're worried about is the profit margin in the next quarterly report. After all, the hedge funds and actively managed mutual funds that picked the board that hired that management is only interested in holding the stock for a year at most. In that year, they will pump up the stock price as much as possible, rape the company for every dime they can, and then when the retail suckers start buying, short the fark out of the stock, and dump it. When they sell, they can put out a report about how badly the company is being run, and how they have lost confidence in the companies management. The CEO and upper management gets huge golden parachutes, and the institutional investors and their board move on to other companies to rape.
All that's left is a foundering company that a vulture like Bain Capital can buy cheap so they pick the carcass clean. The workers get screwed, as does the small retail investor. But hey, the super rich make a killing off the destruction and devastation of another company. So... yay capitalism.. I guess.
 
2013-05-28 07:36:26 AM

Outlaw2097: Dejah: Royal Caribbean does cruises properly.  Except for their alcohol prices, they're a great cruise.

if you are not sneaking booze into your checked luggage in a mouthwash bottle...you are not cruising the right way.


Absinthe works really well for this.  Or a couple of NyQuil bottles.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-28 07:43:10 AM
s1ugg0:

While there is no denying this has been happening in a general sense in many industries.  How about some citations for these bold accusations?  Not every company is out to screw you.  Not every CEO is a greedy monster.

You aren't helping the problem by making uncited claims.


Have you been awake for the past decade or two?
 
2013-05-28 07:43:34 AM
Results of previous attempts?
www.scottwarris.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-28 07:49:21 AM

Iczer: Is there some kind of voodoo curse going around for cruise ships lately? I mean I *know* there's one on Carnival, but was this just an errant curse targeting system or...?


It's been happening all along, it's just that it gets more coverage now because the media has decided that it makes for a good story.
 
2013-05-28 07:51:01 AM

Iczer: Is there some kind of voodoo curse going around for cruise ships lately? I mean I *know* there's one on Carnival, but was this just an errant curse targeting system or...?


Yes. It's called 'being fad news theme of the year'.
 
2013-05-28 08:05:15 AM
Marioff?
 
2013-05-28 08:06:51 AM

swaxhog: AngryDragon: Well done.

On the other hand, WTF is with the cruise ship issues lately?  I can't remember there ever being a major problem on a cruise, with a couple notable exceptions, and now it seems it's happening every other week.

Because for the last 10-15 years it's been a race to steal as much money from everyone that you can damn the future. In the case of cruise lines, hiring incompetent temp staff and paying them next to nothing.  Ignoring regular maintenance for 'just one more run' over and over. If they can shift a few million from this into bonus checks, what's the worse that can happen? A few ships sink, maybe they get fired and take a few more million in a golden parachute. They didn't give a shiat about the company in the first place, it's just another business to rob into bankruptcy and move on to the next.


Multiply that by every business everywhere and you get an idea of some of what is wrong.
 
2013-05-28 08:11:14 AM

Alonjar: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Royal Caribbean is the CostCo. Carnival is the Walmart.

Do you have lines you would recommend?


HollandAmerica if you're looking for a better version of the typical large boat cruise. Then there are many smaller (less than 200 passenger) cruises if you prefer to avoid tourist trap ports of call.
 
2013-05-28 08:11:57 AM

SpdrJay: Put water on it...


www.movie-censorship.com
 
2013-05-28 08:14:18 AM

BigBooper: All that's left is a foundering company that a vulture like Bain Capital can buy cheap so they pick the carcass clean. The workers get screwed, as does the small retail investor. But hey, the super rich make a killing off the destruction and devastation of another company. So... yay capitalism.. I guess.


The moral of this story is to do what Gates did when he took the company public - keep 51% of the voting stock in the founder's pocket, preferably more. A fully publicly owned company is always in danger of this happening. Just ask Michael Dell.
 
2013-05-28 08:15:32 AM
At this point, I'm going to continue to book trips on the Disney Cruise Line just to annoy as many farkers as possible in one reservation.
 
2013-05-28 08:16:40 AM

s1ugg0: Not every CEO is a greedy monster.

 
2013-05-28 08:18:54 AM
Welcome to the ObamaNation, libturds.
 
2013-05-28 08:24:47 AM

braedan: s1ugg0: Not every CEO is a greedy monster.


Some are merely stupid.
 
2013-05-28 08:25:42 AM

Iczer: Is there some kind of voodoo curse going around for cruise ships lately? I mean I *know* there's one on Carnival, but was this just an errant curse targeting system or...?


Well yeah, it's called the Bermuda triangle. There is no other possible explanation. Except... It could be aliens.
 
2013-05-28 08:28:01 AM

phrawgh: Welcome to the ObamaNation, libturds.


So either, in addition to his hurricane machine, his earthquake machine, and his time machine, Obama is flitting about the Caribbean in Air Force 2 setting fire to cruise ships, or you're in the wrong thread.
 
2013-05-28 08:29:49 AM
My friend was on that cruise. I'm still not sure why anyone would take a cruise after all the problems they've had in the past year.
 
2013-05-28 08:34:34 AM
Stupid sequester must have cause this... somehow.
 
2013-05-28 08:35:33 AM

You_Really_Like_Me: Kibbler: Eventually a couple hundred people will die on one of these deathtraps. Then we'll begin a ten-year process that will culminate in watered-down regulations and fat tax credits for cruise companies.

You sound like a glass-half-empty kind of guy.


You sound like a cliche kind of guy.

What happened after mortgage bubble? Bankers in jail and serious new regulations? Or taxpayer bailout and immediate return to fat bonuses?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-28 08:36:23 AM

funzyr: My friend was on that cruise. I'm still not sure why anyone would take a cruise after all the problems they've had in the past year.


The risk was always there.  (Carnival Ecstasy, 1998)


www.cruiseshipfires.com
 
2013-05-28 08:38:09 AM

funzyr: My friend was on that cruise. I'm still not sure why anyone would take a cruise after all the problems they've had in the past year.


Because they're really really cheap. Although that's probably part of the problem.
 
2013-05-28 08:38:41 AM
Why anyone would get on a floating death trap still astounds me
 
2013-05-28 08:42:50 AM
Submitted this yesterday with a crappy headline.  I've got friends that were on the ship too.  Feeling a little guilty as my wife and I were invited to come along but we declined joking "I bet the ship would catch fire if we were aboard."
 
2013-05-28 08:43:10 AM
I'd rather deal with the decapitation from drug lords in Cancun and Cabo, than go on a cruise at this point.
 
GBB
2013-05-28 08:44:56 AM
Fire?  On my ships?  Don't worry about it.
blogs.desmoinesregister.com
 
2013-05-28 08:46:13 AM
And to think that mass food poisoning used to be the only thing to worry about on cruises...
 
2013-05-28 08:46:13 AM

Alonjar: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Royal Caribbean is the CostCo. Carnival is the Walmart.

Do you have lines you would recommend?


I've been on Costa, that was really nice.  My parents usually take Holland America or Cunard.
 
2013-05-28 08:48:55 AM

cookiefleck: I'd rather deal with the decapitation from drug lords in Cancun and Cabo, than go on a cruise at this point.


Murders are down 70% in some places, robberies and kidnappings the same but hey I'm with you that I'd rather be gang raped and ransomed off then have to pay to have a live viking funeral.
 
2013-05-28 08:52:34 AM

SpdrJay: Put water on it...


If it sinks, no problem!
 
2013-05-28 08:54:13 AM
Ships are great big machines, and shiat happens in great big machines no matter what.  It's what the crew and company do when shiat happens that makes the difference.  It sounds like Royal Caribbean did a good job...

/First cruise was on Grandeur
//Just back from 15-day Atlantic crossing on Mariner
 
2013-05-28 08:54:43 AM
Yay cruise thread!

I've gone on a few Carnival Cruises in the past (18 to 24 ish) and had a good time. I wouldn't call it a high scale trip but you got somewhere to sleep off any drinking that was done in port the day before and didn't have to worry about meals. It was a good time. Better deal IMHO than what I could have gotten from a hotel IMHO considering I woke up at another port of call each day for the price. As long as you know what you are signing up for they are a blast. Now that I am older I don't think I would likely go carnival again.  They are the cruise ship version of staying at a motel 6 when for a few dollars more you can stay at a holiday inn. When you are 19, it matters less.

With that said I have a Southern Caribbean cruise scheduled for the Last week of October on Royal Caribbean. Does anyone here have any recommendations on alternative booking agents for shore excursions? Its been awhile since I've been on a cruise and don't recall who I used in the past. Ive seen shoretrips.com come up a few times, but didnt know if there are better value / service choices out there.
 
2013-05-28 08:55:36 AM

ThatGuyGreg: At this point, I'm going to continue to book trips on the Disney Cruise Line just to annoy as many farkers as possible in one reservation.


Sailing on the Fantasy next month     :-)
 
2013-05-28 08:56:25 AM
Sadly, they were in the South China Sea, but the fire was in the north.
 
2013-05-28 09:03:52 AM
I'm going to start a fire next week and hope a cruise breaks out.
 
2013-05-28 09:06:55 AM

phrawgh: Welcome to the ObamaNation, libturds.


You really need to work on your trolling skills. That was weak.
 
2013-05-28 09:08:08 AM

scanman61: ThatGuyGreg: At this point, I'm going to continue to book trips on the Disney Cruise Line just to annoy as many farkers as possible in one reservation.

Sailing on the Fantasy next month     :-)


My family and I sailed on the Disney Fantasy last month. It was awesome and you'll love it.

/Coming back to real life afterwards was surprisingly jarring.
 
2013-05-28 09:14:06 AM

MooseUpNorth: Iczer: Is there some kind of voodoo curse going around for cruise ships lately? I mean I *know* there's one on Carnival, but was this just an errant curse targeting system or...?

Yes. It's called 'being fad news theme of the year'.


THIS
 
2013-05-28 09:15:57 AM
I don't think you can really compare the two incidents. A ship that loses power and has to wait to be towed is a completely different ballgame.
 
2013-05-28 09:21:20 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: cookiefleck: I'd rather deal with the decapitation from drug lords in Cancun and Cabo, than go on a cruise at this point.

Murders are down 70% in some places, robberies and kidnappings the same but hey I'm with you that I'd rather be gang raped and ransomed off then have to pay to have a live viking funeral.


Cabo? Um... no. Mrs. Darch and I are Cabo vets and have NEVER seen/heard/felt anything even CLOSE to the shiat that goes on in Cancun/Puerto Vallarta/Acapulco. We've even driving a rental car north up to Todos Santos. Never an issue.
 
2013-05-28 09:29:03 AM

acefox1: scanman61: ThatGuyGreg: At this point, I'm going to continue to book trips on the Disney Cruise Line just to annoy as many farkers as possible in one reservation.

Sailing on the Fantasy next month     :-)

My family and I sailed on the Disney Fantasy last month. It was awesome and you'll love it.

/Coming back to real life afterwards was surprisingly jarring.


We've done the Magic and the Wonder before and loved them.  Yes, coming back to reality is a little jarring afterwards.

/Guess we'll have to do the Dream next so we have the full set.
 
2013-05-28 09:37:19 AM
My wife and I just got back from a cruise on Royal Caribbean on the Oasis of the Seas (big motherfarking ship). They take fire and safety extremely seriously. During the week we heard the crew drilling at least 3 times specifically for fire. The last day the captain did a Q&A where on at least 3 different opportunities expressed his opinion that Carnival (and their subsidiaries like Costa) had a corporate culture that didn't value safety as much as other things.
 
2013-05-28 09:40:18 AM
That's some damn good crisis communications PR by Royal Caribbean, too. You don't think Yahoo News got that detailed story through shoe-leather journalism, do you? Note that the photo of the ship came FROM Royal Caribbean. Get the bad news out quickly, minimize it by emphasizing how good you were at fixing the problem, move on. Smart.
 
2013-05-28 09:43:25 AM
I actually find cruises fun for the money they cost.  For what I'd spend on some other vacation I don't have to cook or clean and I get to spend time on what amounts to a floating Vegas hotel while not having to put up with the heat and nothing desert that is Vegas.  Only cruise that I had that was anything eventful was a 5 day to Bermuda.  On the way back we hit a storm front that pushed off the Carolinas and it kicked up the ocean enough to make the whole ship sway violently
 
2013-05-28 09:48:17 AM

ThatGuyGreg: At this point, I'm going to continue to book trips on the Disney Cruise Line just to annoy as many farkers as possible in one reservation.

We're booked on the Wonder in December. I can't wait! We've done Royal twice before. I did notice the food quality kind of slipping the second time around and considered doing Holland for the 3rd one but we've got a kiddo and Galveston is just so CLOSE. So, Disney it is.

scanman61: We've done the Magic and the Wonder before and loved them. Yes, coming back to reality is a little jarring afterwards.

Oh, good. This makes me happy. I read a few reviews about the Wonder that made me a little worried about the reservation...

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Royal Caribbean is the CostCo. Carnival is the Walmart.

So much this... You'll laugh if you've had to ride the parking lot shuttle with Carnival-goers because it's just so OBVIOUS which line they're cruising...
 
2013-05-28 09:57:15 AM

funzyr: My friend was on that cruise. I'm still not sure why anyone would take a cruise after all the problems they've had in the past year.


To some extent its confirmation bias and the fact that there are a whole lot more ships on the water now.  More ships = more incidents.  For the amount of miles traveled incidents are really pretty uncommon.  These are massively complex machines with hundreds or thousands of workers.  Stuff is going happen on occasion.  Even with all these recent "disasters", very very very few people have been injured/killed.

I will admit I am a tad biased.  I love cruising.  I love just sitting on the deck while reading a good book and watching the ocean go by.  Took a great cruise on the ship in the article about 5 years ago.
 
2013-05-28 10:03:53 AM

Loki009: Yay cruise thread!

I've gone on a few Carnival Cruises in the past (18 to 24 ish) and had a good time. I wouldn't call it a high scale trip but you got somewhere to sleep off any drinking that was done in port the day before and didn't have to worry about meals. It was a good time. Better deal IMHO than what I could have gotten from a hotel IMHO considering I woke up at another port of call each day for the price. As long as you know what you are signing up for they are a blast. Now that I am older I don't think I would likely go carnival again.  They are the cruise ship version of staying at a motel 6 when for a few dollars more you can stay at a holiday inn. When you are 19, it matters less.

With that said I have a Southern Caribbean cruise scheduled for the Last week of October on Royal Caribbean. Does anyone here have any recommendations on alternative booking agents for shore excursions? Its been awhile since I've been on a cruise and don't recall who I used in the past. Ive seen shoretrips.com come up a few times, but didnt know if there are better value / service choices out there.


I did a Southern Caribbean cruise with RCL last February and had a fantastic time. We did a volcano hike in St. Kitt's and a couple of dives in Aruba through private (i.e. not through cruise line) operators. Where are you going? I would be happy to recommend both of the outfits we used...cheaper than RCL.

You get what you pay for. Carnival is cheap as it caters to drunken yobs who are only there to get shiatfaced and fark. I've been on RCL and Princess (three times total now) and enjoyed it every time. Yeah, booze is a bit pricey, but otherwise great times. All you cruise-hating snobs can lick my bilge pump...;)
 
2013-05-28 10:06:08 AM

crass751: My wife and I just got back from a cruise on Royal Caribbean on the Oasis of the Seas (big motherfarking ship). They take fire and safety extremely seriously. During the week we heard the crew drilling at least 3 times specifically for fire. The last day the captain did a Q&A where on at least 3 different opportunities expressed his opinion that Carnival (and their subsidiaries like Costa) had a corporate culture that didn't value safety as much as other things.


The one time i purchased airfare through carnival they also proved that they didn't believe in customer service or basic competence either. The night before we were supposed to fly (a 9am flight) they called and left a voicemail at around 6pm stating that the flight was changed and the new flight was at 6:45am. No follow up to make sure we got the message, no explanation why. Just "This is John from carnival, your flight has been changed, it is now flight number 1234 departing at 6:45, have a nice day". Had I not payed much attention to my voicemail (out to dinner the night before for an anniversary and then getting ready for leaving the next morning) we would have missed the flight.

Then on the first night of the cruise we received a letter under the door from the travel department stating that the return flight was changed as well, This time rather than being from Florida to Connecticut (you know, where we live?) it was now from Florida to Minnesota. No connecting flight. Carnival just decided we would like Minnesota better. So I had to spend the next 2 days dealing with the customer service trying to get the flight changed back. It was a lot more follow up that it should have been. I should have been able to gone to the pursers desk and said "I dont live anywhere near this airport, change it back, let me know when its done". Instead they first said that I should call the travel department and they will be able to fix it no problem. Sorry, I am not going to pay $4/ minute to call your customer service to fix your screw up. Here is my booking info, please fix it and let me know when its done. The next day I follow up to see if its been taken care of and got "Well we aren't sure if we will be able to change the itinerary since its bundled and the trip is underway, you should be able to change flights at the airport no problem.". The person then just looked at me like what did i expect them to do? Finally i dealt with a manager and about 2-3 days into the trip i finally got out flight switched back to the original flight back to CT. But it took probably 3-4 follow ups to get it dealt with.

The plus side is that I learned a new side to my ex on that trip and that she completely freaked out for half the trip even though I was the one taking care of the arrangements and just went bat shiat insane convienced that we were going to get stranded in Minnesota. The relationship didn't last long beyond that trip.
 
2013-05-28 10:08:32 AM

Kirzania: We're booked on the Wonder in December. I can't wait! We've done Royal twice before. I did notice the food quality kind of slipping the second time around and considered doing Holland for the 3rd one but we've got a kiddo and Galveston is just so CLOSE. So, Disney it is.


Disney is going to ruin you for others. It's just that good.

We were on the Disney Dream a year ago (and booked again for this fall), and it was absolutely fantastic (we don't even have any kids). The crew and the ship were both as awesome as one could ever expect.

Disney isn't cheap, especially when priced against Carnival, but it seems like they actually give a damn about the condition of the ship and the conduct of the crew.
 
2013-05-28 10:10:10 AM

lonomoholo: Loki009: Yay cruise thread!

I've gone on a few Carnival Cruises in the past (18 to 24 ish) and had a good time. I wouldn't call it a high scale trip but you got somewhere to sleep off any drinking that was done in port the day before and didn't have to worry about meals. It was a good time. Better deal IMHO than what I could have gotten from a hotel IMHO considering I woke up at another port of call each day for the price. As long as you know what you are signing up for they are a blast. Now that I am older I don't think I would likely go carnival again.  They are the cruise ship version of staying at a motel 6 when for a few dollars more you can stay at a holiday inn. When you are 19, it matters less.

With that said I have a Southern Caribbean cruise scheduled for the Last week of October on Royal Caribbean. Does anyone here have any recommendations on alternative booking agents for shore excursions? Its been awhile since I've been on a cruise and don't recall who I used in the past. Ive seen shoretrips.com come up a few times, but didnt know if there are better value / service choices out there.

I did a Southern Caribbean cruise with RCL last February and had a fantastic time. We did a volcano hike in St. Kitt's and a couple of dives in Aruba through private (i.e. not through cruise line) operators. Where are you going? I would be happy to recommend both of the outfits we used...cheaper than RCL.

You get what you pay for. Carnival is cheap as it caters to drunken yobs who are only there to get shiatfaced and fark. I've been on RCL and Princess (three times total now) and enjoyed it every time. Yeah, booze is a bit pricey, but otherwise great times. All you cruise-hating snobs can lick my bilge pump...;
)


26-Oct    San Juan, Puerto Rico
27-Oct    Charlotte Amalie, St. Thomas
28-Oct    Basseterre, St. Kitts    
30-Oct    Oranjestad, Aruba    
31-Oct    Willemstad, Curacao    
02-Nov    San Juan, Puerto Rico
 
2013-05-28 10:20:05 AM

Loki009: lonomoholo: Loki009: Yay cruise thread!

I've gone on a few Carnival Cruises in the past (18 to 24 ish) and had a good time. I wouldn't call it a high scale trip but you got somewhere to sleep off any drinking that was done in port the day before and didn't have to worry about meals. It was a good time. Better deal IMHO than what I could have gotten from a hotel IMHO considering I woke up at another port of call each day for the price. As long as you know what you are signing up for they are a blast. Now that I am older I don't think I would likely go carnival again.  They are the cruise ship version of staying at a motel 6 when for a few dollars more you can stay at a holiday inn. When you are 19, it matters less.

With that said I have a Southern Caribbean cruise scheduled for the Last week of October on Royal Caribbean. Does anyone here have any recommendations on alternative booking agents for shore excursions? Its been awhile since I've been on a cruise and don't recall who I used in the past. Ive seen shoretrips.com come up a few times, but didnt know if there are better value / service choices out there.

I did a Southern Caribbean cruise with RCL last February and had a fantastic time. We did a volcano hike in St. Kitt's and a couple of dives in Aruba through private (i.e. not through cruise line) operators. Where are you going? I would be happy to recommend both of the outfits we used...cheaper than RCL.

You get what you pay for. Carnival is cheap as it caters to drunken yobs who are only there to get shiatfaced and fark. I've been on RCL and Princess (three times total now) and enjoyed it every time. Yeah, booze is a bit pricey, but otherwise great times. All you cruise-hating snobs can lick my bilge pump...;
)

26-Oct    San Juan, Puerto Rico
27-Oct    Charlotte Amalie, St. Thomas
28-Oct    Basseterre, St. Kitts
30-Oct    Oranjestad, Aruba
31-Oct    Willemstad, Curacao
02-Nov    San Juan, Puerto Rico


Yeah, same itinerary. If you want to dive in Aruba try Clive at divearu­ba[nospam-﹫-backwards]t­enr­at­es­*aw. Small, friggin' fast boat with at most 6 divers. MUCH better than the cattle boats with dozens of folks aboard.
In St. Kitt's we hiked up the volcano with David at in­fo[nospam-﹫-backwards]sruotanai­cniop*com. It was a pretty intense hike, about  and a half hours up and same down, Steep and a great workout, especially for the ol' quads but the view from the top was well worth it, looking down into the caldera lake in the crater on one side and the blue Caribbean on the other side.
 
2013-05-28 10:24:12 AM
I'm currently packing for my Carnival cruise this weekend, so I'm getting a kick...


/Will be sure to pack a fire extinguisher.
 
2013-05-28 10:26:39 AM

Matthew Keene: I've booked my cruise on the Morro Castle. I heard it's a hot ship.


Well played, sir.  I wonder how many others got that reference.
 
2013-05-28 10:40:39 AM
My wife and I took this ship out of Baltimore to Bermuda a few years back. The banana daiquiris were great and the ship was amazing but the food was just ok. We'll stick to Disney cruise ships for now.

/4 nights, 2 people, $768 bar tab...
 
2013-05-28 10:47:36 AM

cmraman: My wife and I took this ship out of Baltimore to Bermuda a few years back. The banana daiquiris were great and the ship was amazing but the food was just ok. We'll stick to Disney cruise ships for now.

/4 nights, 2 people, $768 bar tab...


My wife and I did 7 nights on Royal Caribbean 2 weeks ago... room statement was just about $1000 - mostly booze. I'm surprised we didn't have more of an epic hangover.
 
2013-05-28 11:27:43 AM
meh.. anything can happen.. :)

here's what I am doing next year...

http://mountainsongatsea.com
http://cayamo.com

back to back.. 11 days at sea.

woooo. :)
 
2013-05-28 11:34:46 AM

Scar4711: meh.. anything can happen.. :)

here's what I am doing next year...

http://mountainsongatsea.com
http://cayamo.com

back to back.. 11 days at sea.

woooo. :)



So... that first one is kind of an ironic cruise? No razors allowed? Pithy t-shirts?
 
2013-05-28 12:05:23 PM

Loki009: Then on the first night of the cruise we received a letter under the door from the travel department stating that the return flight was changed as well, This time rather than being from Florida to Connecticut (you know, where we live?) it was now from Florida to Minnesota. No connecting flight. Carnival just decided we would like Minnesota better. So I had to spend the next 2 days dealing with the customer service trying to get the flight changed back. It was a lot more follow up that it should have been. I should have been able to gone to the pursers desk and said "I dont live anywhere near this airport, change it back, let me know when its done". Instead they first said that I should call the travel department and they will be able to fix it no problem. Sorry, I am not going to pay $4/ minute to call your customer service to fix your screw up. Here is my booking info, please fix it and let me know when its done. The next day I follow up to see if its been taken care of and got "Well we aren't sure if we will be able to change the itinerary since its bundled and the trip is underway, you should be able to change flights at the airport no problem.". The person then just looked at me like what did i expect them to do? Finally i dealt with a manager and about 2-3 days into the trip i finally got out flight switched back to the original flight back to CT. But it took probably 3-4 follow ups to get it dealt with.

The plus side is that I learned a new side to my ex on that trip and that she completely freaked out for half the trip even though I was the one taking care of the arrangements and just went bat shiat insane convienced that we were going to get stranded in Minnesota. The relationship didn't last long beyond that trip.


Thus, in one story, TWO definitions of 'shakedown cruise'.
 
2013-05-28 12:27:28 PM

akula: Disney isn't cheap, especially when priced against Carnival, but it seems like they actually give a damn about the condition of the ship and the conduct of the crew.


The price for our Disney was surprisingly in-line with RC, though I suspect that could be due to recent events and this is Disney last year cruising from Galveston. They were only here for a year, I'm not sure what the issue is/was that Disney needed to leave so soon. As far as I'm concerned, Carnival is never an option; I don't care about their prices.
 
2013-05-28 12:29:57 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: Why anyone would get on a floating death trap still astounds me


Hey, "floating" is a passive property. Flying, on the other hand...
 
2013-05-28 01:21:07 PM
I proposed to my wife on that ship 8 years ago this summer.

What does that mean for our marriage?

7 year anniversary this year!  Woot Woot!!!
 
2013-05-28 01:39:03 PM

Alonjar: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Royal Caribbean is the CostCo. Carnival is the Walmart.

Do you have lines you would recommend?


I have a sort-of special lady friend who may turn into Mrs Snarcoleptic. I'm not a big believer in the huge chapel ceremony, but I'm certainly open to the idea of a really nice cruise as a honeymoon. I've been looking at Disney lines. A little pricier, but the entertainment reviews are great. And, she and I are basically 8 years old on the inside, so getting to do all the stupid little things could be fun.
 
2013-05-28 01:51:51 PM

Kyosuke: Alonjar: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Royal Caribbean is the CostCo. Carnival is the Walmart.

Do you have lines you would recommend?

HollandAmerica if you're looking for a better version of the typical large boat cruise. Then there are many smaller (less than 200 passenger) cruises if you prefer to avoid tourist trap ports of call.


I worked on a HAL cruise ship from last June to last February. They're fantastic 5-star luxury ships, and IIRC, have more repeat passengers than anyone else, but they cater mostly to retirement-age people.

I've actually been told by an industry veteran that on the sliding scale of cruise quality, Carnival is at the very bottom and Holland-America is at the very top. He also said that Norwegian is smack in the middle.
 
2013-05-28 02:24:50 PM

unknownsoldier: shiat like this just reminds me why I'm never putting my family onto a big floating buffet that's one clusterfark away from becoming Lord of the Flies.


My rationale is that being aboard a ship at sea would be a struggle for anyone who is a serious control freak (like Me).
 
2013-05-28 02:52:53 PM

ThatGuyGreg: At this point, I'm going to continue to book trips on the Disney Cruise Line just to annoy as many farkers as possible in one reservation.


Their ships are nice, but I worry about how intrusive the whole "costumes and earworms" experience would be.  I've gotten used to tuning out the steel drums and the calls of "Coco-Loco!" from the bar staff, but I think I'd regret clocking Mickey or Snow White with deck chair in front of a bunch of impressionable youngsters.

/Works d*mn hard on relaxing during a cruise
 
2013-05-28 03:32:32 PM

ObeliskToucher: Their ships are nice, but I worry about how intrusive the whole "costumes and earworms" experience would be.


Not very. Admittedly, I never was in the kid areas, but for adults you really aren't beaten over the head with the usual character stuff. They're around but avoidable.

Kirzania: The price for our Disney was surprisingly in-line with RC, though I suspect that could be due to recent events and this is Disney last year cruising from Galveston. They were only here for a year, I'm not sure what the issue is/was that Disney needed to leave so soon.


They could have just been trying it out. They don't have so many ships that they permanently station them in that many places. Port Canaveral is pretty much a given but DCL just hasn't really committed long term to anyplace else. They'll have a cruise from these other ports for specified time periods but then it's off to somewhere else.
 
2013-05-28 03:57:46 PM
As a former fleet sailor, I object to going to sea without being paid extra for it. Fortunately, the missus gets seasick if she LOOKS at a picture of the ocean, so no risk of being guilted into a cruise.

/Actually, I really like being out at sea.
//Not for months at a time, no.
///Cruises are like resorts. Not my preference for pleasure travel, but I can understand the appeal.
 
2013-05-28 04:32:01 PM

Beerguy: unknownsoldier: shiat like this just reminds me why I'm never putting my family onto a big floating buffet that's one clusterfark away from becoming Lord of the Flies.

My rationale is that being aboard a ship at sea would be a struggle for anyone who is a serious control freak (like Me).


It was the opposite for me. Everything was planned and organized and I couldn't just wander off. It was way to controlled and planned for my liking.
 
2013-05-28 04:40:12 PM
Or could be that most of their ships are 15-20 years old? Salt water has a horrible effect on electrical wiring, hidden support structures, metal piping not accessible to preventive maintenance.
 
2013-05-28 04:43:31 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: unknownsoldier: shiat like this just reminds me why I'm never putting my family onto a big floating buffet that's one clusterfark away from becoming Lord of the Flies.

I was sincerely thinking of trying to get tickets to the 70,000 Tons of Metal cruise. Then what you just said crossed my mind, but with a couple thousand drunk metal heads involved. So, no. Just no, dude.


My cousin went on it. Yeah the bands party with everyone. he got truly awesome pictures.
 
2013-05-28 04:51:43 PM

vpb: funzyr: My friend was on that cruise. I'm still not sure why anyone would take a cruise after all the problems they've had in the past year.

The risk was always there.  (Carnival Ecstasy, 1998)


[www.cruiseshipfires.com image 348x274]


For a long time even
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-29 10:11:31 AM

acefox1: scanman61: ThatGuyGreg: At this point, I'm going to continue to book trips on the Disney Cruise Line just to annoy as many farkers as possible in one reservation.

Sailing on the Fantasy next month     :-)

My family and I sailed on the Disney Fantasy last month. It was awesome and you'll love it.

/Coming back to real life afterwards was surprisingly jarring.


i'm on the fantasy in jan wait, and i will damm well use their allowed to bring booze onboard policy, i'm heading to the land of rum
 
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