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2013-05-27 05:11:50 PM  
Sweet! That really woke up my brain. The playground one with the kids inside it seems claustrophobic.
 
2013-05-27 07:40:42 PM  
We are trapped like Martian flies in a Klein bottle. (Thanks Firesign Theater circa 1967)
 
2013-05-27 09:20:36 PM  
There once was a mathematician named Klein
Who thought the Mobius band was divine.
He said "If you glue
The edges of two,
You'll get a weird bottle like mine."
 
2013-05-27 09:40:27 PM  
Cool. My husband and I had two of the beaker klein bottles from Acme Klein Bottle http://www.kleinbottle.com/top_mouth_erlen_klein.htm They are fun.
 
2013-05-27 09:58:50 PM  
lh4.googleusercontent.com

"You should see how much pot you can smoke out of this thing!"
 
2013-05-27 10:01:22 PM  
 Seems like the people have an....obsession...
 
2013-05-27 10:06:00 PM  
I think mathematical curiosities are interesting, but I just can't get into this one.
 
2013-05-27 10:08:14 PM  
I'd say a normal bottle doesn't have much of an inside or an outside any more than a Klein bottle.  Actually, I'll say it has less even.
 
2013-05-27 10:17:25 PM  
Rabbert Klein?
 
2013-05-27 10:25:32 PM  
Oh, piss on that art...
 
2013-05-27 10:37:09 PM  
I'll raise you a triple klien bottle.
media.boingboing.net
 
2013-05-27 11:47:09 PM  
What does a topographically orientated physicist drink beer from?

Ein Klein Stein.

/I'll be here all week.
//and last week, too.
 
2013-05-27 11:59:06 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2013-05-28 12:04:02 AM  

andersoncouncil42: I'll raise you a triple klien bottle.
[media.boingboing.net image 433x535]


Did you not look through the article then?
 
2013-05-28 12:06:39 AM  

NateAsbestos: [lh4.googleusercontent.com image 850x662]

"You should see how much pot you can smoke out of this thing!"


Joke all you like, but Cliff Stoll is an awesome dude.
 
2013-05-28 02:22:15 AM  

NateAsbestos: lh4.googleusercontent.com


the guy on the right is Clifford Stoll who gave one of the most hyper TED talks ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj8IA6xOpSk
 
2013-05-28 02:57:51 AM  
What happens if we put a cat inside one of those
 
2013-05-28 03:25:37 AM  
Those bottles give me visions of non-Euclidean geometry. I mean, the geometry is all wrong!

/and pulpy tentacled
 
2013-05-28 03:51:28 AM  

maxalt: We are trapped like Martian flies in a Klein bottle. (Thanks Firesign Theater circa 1967)


Gee, Porgy, where are you going to graduate from?
 
2013-05-28 04:17:35 AM  

Tooterfish: What happens if we put a cat inside one of those


Tear in the time-space continuum.
 
2013-05-28 06:26:49 AM  
FTFASuch a paradoxical shape is clearly not possible within our three-dimensional reality and requires a fourth dimensional jump at some point to make it all come together

What in the nine hells is this author on about?
 
2013-05-28 07:06:20 AM  
Here, go spend hours at Acme Klein Bottle

Every page of that site is gloriously funny.
 
2013-05-28 07:07:10 AM  

jack21221: FTFA:  Such a paradoxical shape is clearly not possible within our three-dimensional reality and requires a fourth dimensional jump at some point to make it all come together

What in the nine hells is this author on about?


I'll join you in the confusion. I guess my kids also do some 4th-dimension trickery when they build Moebius strips. I should ask them to build me a perpetuum mobile.
 
2013-05-28 07:15:24 AM  

Kyosuke: Here, go spend hours at Acme Klein Bottle

Every page of that site is gloriously funny.


As is the forms they send out with the purchased bottles. They're a good company with a great sense of humor.
 
2013-05-28 07:32:41 AM  

Twinkles: jack21221: FTFA:  Such a paradoxical shape is clearly not possible within our three-dimensional reality and requires a fourth dimensional jump at some point to make it all come together

What in the nine hells is this author on about?

I'll join you in the confusion. I guess my kids also do some 4th-dimension trickery when they build Moebius strips. I should ask them to build me a perpetuum mobile.


What you see in the article is not a real Klein bottle, but a fake 3d immersion of the klein bottle.
 
2013-05-28 08:08:18 AM  
You can get a pattern for the tea cosy; my sister-in-law made me one. It also doubles as a hat!
 
2013-05-28 08:26:04 AM  

jack21221: What in the nine hells is this author on about?


See the spot where the neck goes through the side of the bottle? That's not supposed to be there. It's supposed to hop past the wall via the fourth dimension.

By analogy, try drawing a Moebius strip -- that is, rendering it in two dimensions -- without having the edge cross itself. In a real Moebius strip, the edge never self-intersects.

/kept wanting to write "edges intersect"
//there can be only one
 
2013-05-28 08:34:38 AM  
The image file is too large to embed, but if you're wondering what people are biatching about over 4th dimensional trickery, this animated gif is literally all you need to get what a Klein bottle is and how the 3D sculptures of it don't matter.

http://plus.maths.org/issue26/features/mathart/kleinBottle_anim.gif
 
2013-05-28 09:21:34 AM  

Twinkles: jack21221: FTFA:  Such a paradoxical shape is clearly not possible within our three-dimensional reality and requires a fourth dimensional jump at some point to make it all come together

What in the nine hells is this author on about?

I'll join you in the confusion. I guess my kids also do some 4th-dimension trickery when they build Moebius strips. I should ask them to build me a perpetuum mobile.


No, but they do do 3 dimensional trickery on a 2 dimensional surface.  Klein bottle is the same thing just one dimension higher.
 
2013-05-28 10:35:06 AM  

StrangeQ: Twinkles: jack21221: FTFA:  Such a paradoxical shape is clearly not possible within our three-dimensional reality and requires a fourth dimensional jump at some point to make it all come together

What in the nine hells is this author on about?

I'll join you in the confusion. I guess my kids also do some 4th-dimension trickery when they build Moebius strips. I should ask them to build me a perpetuum mobile.

No, but they do do 3 dimensional trickery on a 2 dimensional surface.  Klein bottle is the same thing just one dimension higher.


This does not make much sense to me.  To go one dimension up you need to include time, and I don't see any time based tricks going on here.    Maybe you meant 3 dimensional trickery on a 3 dimensional surface?
 
2013-05-28 11:23:30 AM  

Maul555: StrangeQ: Twinkles: jack21221: FTFA:  Such a paradoxical shape is clearly not possible within our three-dimensional reality and requires a fourth dimensional jump at some point to make it all come together

What in the nine hells is this author on about?

I'll join you in the confusion. I guess my kids also do some 4th-dimension trickery when they build Moebius strips. I should ask them to build me a perpetuum mobile.

No, but they do do 3 dimensional trickery on a 2 dimensional surface.  Klein bottle is the same thing just one dimension higher.

This does not make much sense to me.  To go one dimension up you need to include time, and I don't see any time based tricks going on here.    Maybe you meant 3 dimensional trickery on a 3 dimensional surface?


Try to keep up with math and physics, eh?

We use multiple notional spatial dimensions in math all the time.  They don't have to correspond to physical reality.

Current theoretical physics posits many more spatial dimensions than we can currently observe in order to explain the cosmological constant, the inflationary period just after the big bang, and the behavior of the rarest bosons and quarks.  Check out Lisa Randall's book Warped Passages.
 
2013-05-28 12:02:30 PM  

FrancoFile: Maul555: StrangeQ: Twinkles: jack21221: FTFA:  Such a paradoxical shape is clearly not possible within our three-dimensional reality and requires a fourth dimensional jump at some point to make it all come together

What in the nine hells is this author on about?

I'll join you in the confusion. I guess my kids also do some 4th-dimension trickery when they build Moebius strips. I should ask them to build me a perpetuum mobile.

No, but they do do 3 dimensional trickery on a 2 dimensional surface.  Klein bottle is the same thing just one dimension higher.

This does not make much sense to me.  To go one dimension up you need to include time, and I don't see any time based tricks going on here.    Maybe you meant 3 dimensional trickery on a 3 dimensional surface?

Try to keep up with math and physics, eh?

We use multiple notional spatial dimensions in math all the time.  They don't have to correspond to physical reality.

Current theoretical physics posits many more spatial dimensions than we can currently observe in order to explain the cosmological constant, the inflationary period just after the big bang, and the behavior of the rarest bosons and quarks.  Check out Lisa Randall's book Warped Passages.


Do try to keep up with what we are talking about, eh? I am referring to physical things, in our physical reality.  Things, that if I so choose, I could assault you with.
 
2013-05-28 12:08:05 PM  

Maul555: Do try to keep up with what we are talking about, eh? I am referring to physical things, in our physical reality. Things, that if I so choose, I could assault you with.


Just point at him and giggle. He just told you that they make shiat up to support their answers. ^_-
 
2013-05-28 12:19:16 PM  
It's been said a bunch of times already, but it's worth saying again.  Everyone go buy something cool from Acme Klein Bottle.  Cliff Stoll is a really cool guy, and the literature you get along with your purchase is awesome.
 
2013-05-28 01:59:39 PM  

Radak: It's been said a bunch of times already, but it's worth saying again.  Everyone go buy something cool from Acme Klein Bottle.  Cliff Stoll is a really cool guy, and the literature you get along with your purchase is awesome.


I'm failing to see what's so goddamn cool about these bottles.
 
2013-05-28 02:19:43 PM  

Ed Grubermann: maxalt: We are trapped like Martian flies in a Klein bottle. (Thanks Firesign Theater circa 1967)

Gee, Porgy, where are you going to graduate from?


Look here's a red hand.
 
2013-05-28 09:19:28 PM  

jfarkinB: See the spot where the neck goes through the side of the bottle? That's not supposed to be there. It's supposed to hop past the wall via the fourth dimension.

By analogy, try drawing a Moebius strip -- that is, rendering it in two dimensions -- without having the edge cross itself. In a real Moebius strip, the edge never self-intersects.

/kept wanting to write "edges intersect"
//there can be only one


I'm not 100% convinced that it's accurate that a real 3D Klein bottle isn't a "true" Klein bottle because of the hole. But, I never took a course in topology, so I don't know enough about the subject to disagree with you.
 
2013-05-28 11:43:22 PM  

jack21221: I'm not 100% convinced that it's accurate that a real 3D Klein bottle isn't a "true" Klein bottle because of the hole. But, I never took a course in topology, so I don't know enough about the subject to disagree with you.


Which is good, because that last post is about all I've got as far as comprehension on this. But the topology material I fought my way through seemed to make kind of a big deal of the fact that a "real" Klein bottle wouldn't self-intersect.
 
2013-05-29 06:41:38 AM  

jfarkinB: Which is good, because that last post is about all I've got as far as comprehension on this. But the topology material I fought my way through seemed to make kind of a big deal of the fact that a "real" Klein bottle wouldn't self-intersect.


I was a physics major, so all I learned about the Klein bottle was it was a pathological shape for which some theorem wouldn't work. It was either Gauss's or Stokes' theorem, can't remember.
 
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