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(NYPost)   NYC's cunning bike-share program gets off to a stunning start in the big city where bike thieves run rampant......hey where you going with our plan?   (nypost.com) divider line 84
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2013-05-27 04:40:09 PM  
www.enemyplanet.com
 
2013-05-27 04:40:21 PM  
They recovered the bike before the paper was even in print.
Went riding this morning - from what I saw the Post is going to be shutting up about bike-share soon. Citibikes all over the place. Day one and there are already 17,000+ members.
 
2013-05-27 04:40:44 PM  
Google provides all these bicycles on their campus in kooky google colors. Consequently the surrounding ghettos are littered with stolen google bikes.
 
2013-05-27 04:40:51 PM  
Oh goodie. Just what the City needs: scads more bicycles.
 
2013-05-27 04:41:33 PM  

remus:


I thought they would all have some kind of GPS tracking of some sort.
 
2013-05-27 04:48:00 PM  
www.missionmission.org
 
2013-05-27 04:48:14 PM  
I'll have to say as someone who has worked in NYC for some time, the city has taken over a lot of space with this social project, with some friction from a lot of sides, I hope it works but I foresee a lot of problems with the traffic in Midtown. I would say it will work a lot better in other areas.

I've been to Amsterdam (a few times, don't remember coming back) and it can work. It will be interesting.

urger: there are already 17,000+ members.  Good to hear that.
 
2013-05-27 04:48:35 PM  
Look for a guy hanging up posters
 
2013-05-27 04:48:50 PM  

fang06554: remus:

I thought they would all have some kind of GPS tracking of some sort.


That would seem to be a good idea.  LoJack the bikes and build the device into the frame to make it difficult to tamper with or remove.
 
2013-05-27 04:49:33 PM  

urger: They recovered the bike before the paper was even in print.
Went riding this morning - from what I saw the Post is going to be shutting up about bike-share soon. Citibikes all over the place. Day one and there are already 17,000+ members.


Yeah bike sharing works pretty well in most places I fail to understand why some people think it automatically won't work in NYC. I'm not saying it's a sure thing but it's not exactly a shot in the dark.
 
2013-05-27 04:53:15 PM  
I don't know about the New York program, but here in Tel Aviv bike theft is also rampant. Every single tenant in my building had a bike stolen before they fixed the front door (and yes, they were locked.) Last year the city launched a bike sharing program and it's been a great success. If you believe the reports from the municipality, within five months they recouped all the costs of setting it up and are now making a profit. There are different rates available, but residents can take out a membership/subscription for NIS 270 a year (about $73). The replacement cost for a even a beat-up old bike is considerably higher than that. The city is in talks to expand the program to neighboring communities (Ramat Gan and Bat Yam), while Givatayim, which lies just east of TA, is planning its own bike sharing program (splitters!)
 
2013-05-27 04:54:31 PM  
This was big in Paris before bike sharing ever caught on in America. And in Paris they had problems with theft and the bikes breaking down. So it's to be expected here as well.

From what I remember, costs with bike sharing in Paris was even greater than what the politicians expected.
 
2013-05-27 04:55:12 PM  
Bike sharing seems to have done alright in the Minneapolis/St Paul area. Those green bikes are everywhere but I can't imagine anyone wanting to steal something that obnoxiously colored.
 
2013-05-27 04:55:25 PM  
Bicycle theft is rampant in Montreal, but the wildly popular bike-sharing program here (Bixi, the inspiration for New York's program) hasn't had any issues with robberies.

Now, corruption, on the other hand...
 
2013-05-27 04:57:27 PM  
Like so many things, this system works great in Boston, but not in New York.
 
2013-05-27 04:57:53 PM  

Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: Now, corruption, on the other hand...


That isn't a problem. It's a feature.
 
2013-05-27 04:59:47 PM  
Buy the end of the summer there will be nothing but empty bike racks all over the city.
 
2013-05-27 05:02:22 PM  

uncleacid: Buy the end of the summer there will be nothing but empty bike racks all over the city.


I hope someone remembers to throw this back in your face.
 
2013-05-27 05:03:46 PM  

crinz83: Look for a guy hanging up posters


www.tractionco.com
Wearing skinny-ass pants and an earflap hat?
 
2013-05-27 05:05:57 PM  

ciberido: crinz83: Look for a guy hanging up posters

[www.tractionco.com image 200x150]
Wearing skinny-ass pants and an earflap hat?


Gah, forgot to mention, language in that video is very NSFW.  Sorry./
 
2013-05-27 05:08:48 PM  

Dedmon: uncleacid: Buy the end of the summer there will be nothing but empty bike racks all over the city.

I hope someone remembers to throw this back in your face.


I live here so I wil be the first to know, and that should be BY.
 
2013-05-27 05:09:05 PM  
 
2013-05-27 05:10:25 PM  
FTFA:  "They should have mailed them earlier," said Ansell Hawkins, 52, a Fort Greene resident whose key didn't come in the mail.

Thank you Capt Hindsight.
 
2013-05-27 05:16:38 PM  
DC Bikeshare seems to work pretty well. Not sure why New Yorkers are freaked about this- plenty of big cities have it, and it works fine. Or do you think you're so special that everybody else's experiences won't apply to you?
 
2013-05-27 05:18:54 PM  
Boris bikes work in London, and that's a hive of scum & villainy.
 
2013-05-27 05:19:10 PM  

urger: They recovered the bike before the paper was even in print.
Went riding this morning - from what I saw the Post is going to be shutting up about bike-share soon. Citibikes all over the place. Day one and there are already 17,000+ members.


Bike sharing has been awesome in every city I've lived in. I was amazed there was so much outrage over it in NYC.

My favorite thing about bike sharing is it encourages casual riders to bike around their city and gives people a chance who normally drive to experience being on a bike. I like to think it helps them understand bikers a little better when their in their car.

The thing I hate about bike sharing is too many riders don't know the rules of the road and it can give bikers a bad name. Enough cyclists are jerks they dont need people who are honestly ignorant helping them out.
 
2013-05-27 05:19:58 PM  
Another transportation idea that failed.

lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-05-27 05:26:07 PM  
It works in Boston, though you need a credit or debit card to put a deposit down.
 
2013-05-27 05:28:08 PM  
Bloomberg has been having a great run of telling us what we want before we want it. He's the Steve Jobs of Public Administration.
From the smoking ban, to Summer Streets, to a whole host of other things everybody was initially pissed off about everything turned out better than expected and showed the naysayers to be idiots.
 
2013-05-27 05:28:45 PM  
So subby, what do you suppose the street value is for a bike which can be legally obtained by anyone for practically nothing?
 
2013-05-27 05:32:34 PM  
Do these bikes have a unique design (like uhaul dollies) so that any paint, handlear, etc mod would not mask the fact that they are stolen?
 
2013-05-27 05:33:06 PM  

cptjeff: Or do you think you're so special that everybody else's experiences won't apply to you?


We're talking about NYC, so pretty much.
 
2013-05-27 05:35:26 PM  
One in the front.  One in the back.  Park your bike next to some dummy who has a chain around the tire, so they'll take his bike first.  Never leave your bike unattended for more than 10 minutes in NYC.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-05-27 05:44:44 PM  
The Paris version started with 15,000 bikes. Half of that original 15,000 were stolen, and the rest were vandalized.

The Toronto version has troubles, too. Apparently, they assumed that people would ride the bikes year-round, but forgot that Canada has winter.
 
2013-05-27 05:50:35 PM  

cirby: The Paris version started with 15,000 bikes. Half of that original 15,000 were stolen, and the rest were vandalized.

The Toronto version has troubles, too. Apparently, they assumed that people would ride the bikes year-round, but forgot that Canada has winter.


New York learned from Velib (the Paris system). We use a totally different way of locking the bike. You basically have to break the bike to rip out of the automatic bikestand - the front of the bike frame locks right in.
 
2013-05-27 06:07:53 PM  

Tillmaster: Oh goodie. Just what the City needs: scads more bicycles.


Having the same number of people in cars (as God intended) would decrease traffic and improve parking, right?
 
2013-05-27 06:09:33 PM  
urger:
New York learned from Velib (the Paris system). We use a totally different way of locking the bike. You basically have to break the bike to rip out of the automatic bikestand - the front of the bike frame locks right in.

See note above re: vandalized. The Parisian one averages having to repair their entire fleet of bicycles about once every two weeks.

See also note re: winter
 
2013-05-27 06:12:15 PM  

gwowen: So subby, what do you suppose the street value is for a bike which can be legally obtained by anyone for practically nothing?


With the various components and the amount of scrap metal (they weigh around 40 lbs) I'd bet you'd make around $100 off one of them.
 
2013-05-27 06:14:55 PM  

Erik_Emune: Tillmaster: Oh goodie. Just what the City needs: scads more bicycles.

Having the same number of people in cars (as God intended) would decrease traffic and improve parking, right?


I think he was talking about how cyclists are assholes, rather than traffic.
 
2013-05-27 06:20:29 PM  
We had a similar program at the university where I work. In mere months, the majority of the bikes were stolen or damaged beyond repair. It was just sad.
 
2013-05-27 06:23:15 PM  

Carth: gwowen: So subby, what do you suppose the street value is for a bike which can be legally obtained by anyone for practically nothing?

With the various components and the amount of scrap metal (they weigh around 40 lbs) I'd bet you'd make around $100 off one of them.


A cursory google search leads me to think you've overestimated by quite a bit. 100lbs is only worth around $10 bucks
http://www.mrcscrapmetals.com/scrap-pricing
 
2013-05-27 06:24:55 PM  

maxximillian: Carth: gwowen: So subby, what do you suppose the street value is for a bike which can be legally obtained by anyone for practically nothing?

With the various components and the amount of scrap metal (they weigh around 40 lbs) I'd bet you'd make around $100 off one of them.

A cursory google search leads me to think you've overestimated by quite a bit. 100lbs is only worth around $10 bucks
http://www.mrcscrapmetals.com/scrap-pricing


Yea you're right then it is probably closer to $50 when you figure they'd sell the brakes, wheels, pedals (pretty much everything bu the frame).
 
2013-05-27 06:33:33 PM  

urger: They recovered the bike before the paper was even in print.
Went riding this morning - from what I saw the Post is going to be shutting up about bike-share soon. Citibikes all over the place. Day one and there are already 17,000+ members.


I was hoping for images off the bikes and wondered if they were set up like b-cycle

also I just rode a city of Houston sponsored bike and my ass is sore
 
2013-05-27 06:34:39 PM  

cirby: The Paris version started with 15,000 bikes. Half of that original 15,000 were stolen, and the rest were vandalized.

The Toronto version has troubles, too. Apparently, they assumed that people would ride the bikes year-round, but forgot that Canada has winter.


In fairness, most Toronto winters are relatively mild - I used to only stop for a few weeks in Jan/Feb when the roads are icy, because Toronto drivers tend not to have snow tires or know how to drive in bad conditions. And it doesn't help that they seem to have almost deliberately hobbled the program, limiting it to too small an area to actually be useful. For it to work they'd need to expand to residential areas a bit outside downtown and to have stands at places like the distillery district, along the waterfront to the east and west beaches, etc.
 
2013-05-27 06:52:19 PM  

Bung_Howdy: [www.missionmission.org image 450x300]


He looks white, so he clearly "found" it
 
2013-05-27 06:53:57 PM  

remus: fang06554: remus:

I thought they would all have some kind of GPS tracking of some sort.

That would seem to be a good idea.  LoJack the bikes and build the device into the frame to make it difficult to tamper with or remove.


maybe like...this?

/i used the rentals when i visited montreal last summer and it was farking AWESOME
 
2013-05-27 06:54:23 PM  
loonatic112358:

also I just rode a city of Houston sponsored bike and my ass is sore

There might be a salve for that...

/i am not a doctor
 
2013-05-27 07:06:28 PM  
If the bike thieves are anything like car thieves, the answer is simple. Make the bikes 10 speed manual shift. Everybody knows brown skinned people cannot shift gears.
 
2013-05-27 07:26:58 PM  

foo monkey: One in the front.  One in the back.  Park your bike next to some dummy who has a chain around the tire, so they'll take his bike first.  Never leave your bike unattended for more than 10 minutes in NYC.

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 500x333]


media.treehugger.com

Take bike inside with you. Problem solved.

also:

you look like this riding it:

www.coursestuff.co.uk

So no one wants to steal it and look like a dork anyway.

/has a brompton
//looks like a trained bear on a unicycle when riding it
///it's fun anyway
 
2013-05-27 07:42:21 PM  
Should have pulled a Tulsa Townies.  Would you steal a bike this ugly?
i.imgur.com
 
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