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15592 clicks; posted to Main » on 27 May 2013 at 11:40 AM (4 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-05-27 11:47:57 AM  
3 votes:
As time goes on, the people who fought against the Vietnam Memorial look stupider and stupider.

It's the only way that war can be memorialized.  Here are the names of the people who died here.  It's up to you to decide what it meant.  It presents only the bare fact about that war: these people are now dead.
2013-05-27 01:48:12 PM  
2 votes:

ChuckyV: [ image 850x628]

Nice, I kinda prefer the original.
2013-05-27 12:11:22 PM  
2 votes:
FTA: "They were people who had once lived and had fought for me to be able to wake up every morning as a free American teenage girl."


/trite declaration is trite
2013-05-27 11:49:56 AM  
2 votes:
Little girl.  Those that fought in the Vietnam war didn't exactly keep us free. It's not about keeping us free it's about futility.  You will learn when you are older.
2013-05-27 11:46:55 PM  
1 vote:
Talking about Vietnam is one of the only subjects that has ever made my father cry. He was rejected 4F when his number came up- destroyed both knees in 1964 playing football, couldn't depend on either one not going out until about 1967, and his number came up in 1965. Dodged a bullet- figuratively and likely literally. A number of his friends went and didn't come back.

When my class was going to DC in eighth grade, he called my teacher and asked her to deliver a package to the Wall for him, and to put it in 1965. He also told me to make sure it was there.

It was a brown paper bag, with a bottle of Budweiser and a pack of Luckies. The note was simple. Guys, have a smoke and a drink on me.

That was four friends he lost. A fifth isn't on that wall.

He was a Quaker, one of but a few down there. They're pacifist. He filed all the paperwork, everything for a conscientious objector notation, and got turned down. He was told that there would be a car from the Army there one morning to pick him up for training.

The night before, he shot himself in the head. The thought of taking arms against someone was too much to bear.

Dad has still never gone to see the Wall, or the traveling one. Maybe this year he will. I know he wants to, but I think he's scared.
2013-05-27 01:07:02 PM  
1 vote:
I think I'd prefer a more traditional memorial for Iraq and Afghanistan. Similar to the Korean War Memorial. Either way, I plan on being as active as I can be in the creation of that memorial. My buddies and I made a vow that we would ride together on our motorcycles to the dedication of the memorial. My wife won't let me have a motorcycle yet, and one of the guys who is supposed to ride with us is currently incarcerated, so luckily I haven't heard anyone talk about it so I don't even think it's in its planning stages yet.

/SPC Brock Bucklin, May 31, 2006
/SPC Damien Montoya, July 9, 2006
/SSG Kenneth Jenkins, August 12, 2006
2013-05-27 12:34:08 PM  
1 vote:
I wanted to express my condolences and my gratitude to those American families who know what a Gold Star represents. This is your day and the day of those who are memorialized in 24 overseas US cemeteries around the world--125,000 buried in places like France, Tunisia, Mexico, Philippines along with 94,000 men and women listed as Missing in Action.

At American Cemetery at Nettuno, Italy on the first Memorial Day after WWII, US 5th Army Commander,  LTG Lucian K. Truscott, Jr. delivered a memorial speech, as described by Bill Mauldin:

". . . when it came time for the general to speak, he turned away from the visitors and addressed the corpses he'd commanded there.  It was the most moving gesture I ever saw.  It came from a hard-boiled old man who was incapable of planned dramatics.  The general's remarks were brief and extemporaneous.  He apologized to the dead men for their presence there.  He said that everybody tells leaders that it is not their fault that men get killed in war, but that every leader knows in his heart that this is not altogether true.  He said he hoped anybody here through any mistake of his would forgive him, but he realized that was asking a hell of a lot under the circumstances.  A senator's cigar went out; he bent over to relight it, then thought better of it.  Truscott said he would not speak of the 'glorious' dead because he didn't see much glory in getting killed in your late teens or early twenties.  He promised that if in the future he ran into anybody, especially old men, who thought death in battle was glorious, he would straighten them out.  He said he thought it was the least he could do."

Bless you and yours.
2013-05-27 12:18:31 PM  
1 vote:
Another haunting thing about the Korean War memorial is the wall with the faces of real participants looking out at you. The whole memorial is very moving.
2013-05-27 12:17:04 PM  
1 vote:

jake_lex: As time goes on, the people who fought against the Vietnam Memorial look stupider and stupider.

"Although praised by art and architecture critics, the design created a firestorm of bitter opposition. Veterans' groups were incensed calling it a "black gash of shame." H. Ross Perot, the Texas millionaire and the future Virginia Senator Jim Webb, then a highly regarded Assistant Secretary of Defense in the Reagan Administration, both early public supporters of the project, now denounced it and tried to prevent the construction as envisioned by Lin. Perot openly voiced contempt for Lin because she was Asian and many veterans did not want anything to do with, "that Gook." Congress held hearings where Lin had to defend herself under very hostile questioning. Secretary of the Interior James Watt tried to derail the project by withholding the necessary construction permits."

Yup, something else I'll never forget.
2013-05-27 12:12:32 PM  
1 vote:

mrlewish: Little girl.  Those that fought in the Vietnam war didn't exactly keep us free. It's not about keeping us free it's about futility.  You will learn when you are older.

Unless you're a republican.

/flame on
2013-05-27 12:01:44 PM  
1 vote:

skinink: Personally I think the Korean War Memorial is more impressive than the Vietnam War Memorial. Those statues of soldiers looking like they are walking through a war zone looks realistic.

Especially when you don't realize its there and somehow back into it while taking a picture of something else, apologize to the "soldier" you bumped into and then lose your shiat when you see you are surrounded.
2013-05-27 11:56:33 AM  
1 vote:
It was raining when we got there and the tour guide said that, as bad as it might seem, it was sort of a good thing. It would hit home harder and give us an idea of what the soldiers' conditions were like

yes, being in the rain, probably with an umbrella, for a little while is exactly what the soldiers experienced.

They were people who had once lived and had fought for me to be able to wake up every morning as a free American teenage girl.
FARK YOU. You ignorant little twunt. You might want to open a history book and a real one at that. Not whatever you get to read at Jesus college.
2013-05-27 11:53:22 AM  
1 vote:

"I didn't watch my buddies die face down in the muck just so's you could get a laugh, Subby!"
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