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2013-05-27 10:54:42 AM
Nice
+1
 
2013-05-27 11:31:01 AM
Well played, subby.
+1
 
2013-05-27 11:41:04 AM
lol
 
2013-05-27 11:46:26 AM
No Obvious tag? The crack of dawn isn't safe in that town subby.
 
2013-05-27 11:47:05 AM
You really don't need to read this comment, since it has nothing to do with the article. Thank You
 
2013-05-27 11:47:25 AM
Golf clap.

(not the other kind)
 
2013-05-27 11:47:30 AM
Rest in Peace, brothers.
 
2013-05-27 11:47:57 AM
As time goes on, the people who fought against the Vietnam Memorial look stupider and stupider.

It's the only way that war can be memorialized.  Here are the names of the people who died here.  It's up to you to decide what it meant.  It presents only the bare fact about that war: these people are now dead.
 
2013-05-27 11:48:53 AM
At least some of those vets had the chance to enjoy some really good drugs while in-country
 
2013-05-27 11:49:56 AM
Little girl.  Those that fought in the Vietnam war didn't exactly keep us free. It's not about keeping us free it's about futility.  You will learn when you are older.
 
2013-05-27 11:53:22 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com

"I didn't watch my buddies die face down in the muck just so's you could get a laugh, Subby!"
 
2013-05-27 11:53:36 AM
Personally I think the Korean War Memorial is more impressive than the Vietnam War Memorial. Those statues of soldiers looking like they are walking through a war zone looks realistic.
 
2013-05-27 11:56:33 AM
It was raining when we got there and the tour guide said that, as bad as it might seem, it was sort of a good thing. It would hit home harder and give us an idea of what the soldiers' conditions were like

yes, being in the rain, probably with an umbrella, for a little while is exactly what the soldiers experienced.


They were people who had once lived and had fought for me to be able to wake up every morning as a free American teenage girl.
FARK YOU. You ignorant little twunt. You might want to open a history book and a real one at that. Not whatever you get to read at Jesus college.
 
2013-05-27 11:59:27 AM
There should be a memorial for those touched by memorials. It feels right.
 
2013-05-27 12:01:44 PM

skinink: Personally I think the Korean War Memorial is more impressive than the Vietnam War Memorial. Those statues of soldiers looking like they are walking through a war zone looks realistic.


Especially when you don't realize its there and somehow back into it while taking a picture of something else, apologize to the "soldier" you bumped into and then lose your shiat when you see you are surrounded.
 
2013-05-27 12:06:44 PM

Bung_Howdy: At least some of those vets had the chance to enjoy some really good drugs while in-country


Bullchit.
 
2013-05-27 12:09:07 PM
I almost feel like this is fake.

Its almost too bad.
 
2013-05-27 12:09:23 PM

skinink: Personally I think the Korean War Memorial is more impressive than the Vietnam War Memorial. Those statues of soldiers looking like they are walking through a war zone looks realistic.


The "Forgotten War" is so appropriate.

The U.S. military expended more artillery shells in three years on the Korean Peninsula than in four years worldwide fighting the Axis.
 
2013-05-27 12:10:04 PM
The pot was swag.
The coke was crap.
The H was good, so what.
As usual, the good stuff came from the pharmacy, with a label.
 
2013-05-27 12:11:22 PM
FTA: "They were people who had once lived and had fought for me to be able to wake up every morning as a free American teenage girl."

*barf*

/trite declaration is trite
 
2013-05-27 12:12:32 PM

mrlewish: Little girl.  Those that fought in the Vietnam war didn't exactly keep us free. It's not about keeping us free it's about futility.  You will learn when you are older.


Unless you're a republican.

/flame on
 
2013-05-27 12:15:01 PM

jake_lex: As time goes on, the people who fought against the Vietnam Memorial look stupider and stupider.


Yes. Just Google "black gash of shame" sometime to see all the derp.
 
2013-05-27 12:16:49 PM
Weird. An hour ago I finished reading an analysis of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial by Charles Griswold written in 1983 soon after the memorial was dedicated. This is the second last paragraph:

The patriotism expressed during the Memorial's dedication was informed by the healthy willingness to question the decisions of the politicians of the day about where and when Americans should die for their country. The monument's ability to engender declarations of patriotism is quite in keeping with such an interrogative character. If the Memorial momentarily separates war and politics, it is in order to give us a more secure foundation for understanding both. The sentiments of those who attended and addressed the Memorial's dedication were clear: America is worth dying for, but she must not fight a war when there is no popular consensus for doing so, and she must not fight without the intention to win decisively. Correspondingly, she must not fight under conditions where it is impossible to win.

Full, long article is on JSTOR [clicky] but registration is required.

I've never been to Washington DC so I haven't seen the memorial. After reading the JSTOR article I want to. Apparently, the bronze statue of three soldiers was added after the fact because the original wasn't considered sufficiently monument-y by some folks. It's also important that it honors the veterans and not the war. So get it right, little girl.
 
2013-05-27 12:17:04 PM

jake_lex: As time goes on, the people who fought against the Vietnam Memorial look stupider and stupider.


"Although praised by art and architecture critics, the design created a firestorm of bitter opposition. Veterans' groups were incensed calling it a "black gash of shame." H. Ross Perot, the Texas millionaire and the future Virginia Senator Jim Webb, then a highly regarded Assistant Secretary of Defense in the Reagan Administration, both early public supporters of the project, now denounced it and tried to prevent the construction as envisioned by Lin. Perot openly voiced contempt for Lin because she was Asian and many veterans did not want anything to do with, "that Gook." Congress held hearings where Lin had to defend herself under very hostile questioning. Secretary of the Interior James Watt tried to derail the project by withholding the necessary construction permits."
Link


Yup, something else I'll never forget.
 
2013-05-27 12:18:31 PM
Another haunting thing about the Korean War memorial is the wall with the faces of real participants looking out at you. The whole memorial is very moving.
 
2013-05-27 12:23:06 PM

ruta: Weird. An hour ago I finished reading an analysis of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial by Charles Griswold written in 1983 soon after the memorial was dedicated. This is the second last paragraph:

The patriotism expressed during the Memorial's dedication was informed by the healthy willingness to question the decisions of the politicians of the day about where and when Americans should die for their country. The monument's ability to engender declarations of patriotism is quite in keeping with such an interrogative character. If the Memorial momentarily separates war and politics, it is in order to give us a more secure foundation for understanding both. The sentiments of those who attended and addressed the Memorial's dedication were clear: America is worth dying for, but she must not fight a war when there is no popular consensus for doing so, and she must not fight without the intention to win decisively. Correspondingly, she must not fight under conditions where it is impossible to win.

Full, long article is on JSTOR [clicky] but registration is required.

I've never been to Washington DC so I haven't seen the memorial. After reading the JSTOR article I want to. Apparently, the bronze statue of three soldiers was added after the fact because the original wasn't considered sufficiently monument-y by some folks. It's also important that it honors the veterans and not the war. So get it right, little girl.


Whoops, written in 1986, not 1983. And now I feel bad for snarking on the little girl, but maybe I shouldn't bother in a thread about a sex offender joke.
 
2013-05-27 12:25:39 PM
Oh, BTW, Thanks, Scruggs.
 
2013-05-27 12:34:08 PM
I wanted to express my condolences and my gratitude to those American families who know what a Gold Star represents. This is your day and the day of those who are memorialized in 24 overseas US cemeteries around the world--125,000 buried in places like France, Tunisia, Mexico, Philippines along with 94,000 men and women listed as Missing in Action.

At American Cemetery at Nettuno, Italy on the first Memorial Day after WWII, US 5th Army Commander,  LTG Lucian K. Truscott, Jr. delivered a memorial speech, as described by Bill Mauldin:

". . . when it came time for the general to speak, he turned away from the visitors and addressed the corpses he'd commanded there.  It was the most moving gesture I ever saw.  It came from a hard-boiled old man who was incapable of planned dramatics.  The general's remarks were brief and extemporaneous.  He apologized to the dead men for their presence there.  He said that everybody tells leaders that it is not their fault that men get killed in war, but that every leader knows in his heart that this is not altogether true.  He said he hoped anybody here through any mistake of his would forgive him, but he realized that was asking a hell of a lot under the circumstances.  A senator's cigar went out; he bent over to relight it, then thought better of it.  Truscott said he would not speak of the 'glorious' dead because he didn't see much glory in getting killed in your late teens or early twenties.  He promised that if in the future he ran into anybody, especially old men, who thought death in battle was glorious, he would straighten them out.  He said he thought it was the least he could do."

Bless you and yours.
 
2013-05-27 12:38:27 PM
That title and the article gets the subby an aisle seat to, well, somewhere nice I guess...
 
2013-05-27 12:41:24 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-27 12:48:40 PM
I guess one thing that strikes me is that most people who have never served do not understand what it is like even in peacetime to serve. To those that have, every day is memorial day. It is there in the back of our mind every day of our lives. When we sit in the VA lobby listening to the stories we hear the things that happened to our parents and grandparents, we hear of the sacrifices, we hear of the unsung hero's, we hear the shots and explosions, we hear the screams and finally we hear the silence and weep for those who went before us.   Veterans never forget their comrades

This day is for you, I salute those with the simple white markers in never ending rows.
 
2013-05-27 12:50:59 PM

paleryder69: I guess one thing that strikes me is that most people who have never served do not understand what it is like even in peacetime to serve. To those that have, every day is memorial day. It is there in the back of our mind every day of our lives. When we sit in the VA lobby listening to the stories we hear the things that happened to our parents and grandparents, we hear of the sacrifices, we hear of the unsung hero's, we hear the shots and explosions, we hear the screams and finally we hear the silence and weep for those who went before us.   Veterans never forget their comrades

This day is for you, I salute those with the simple white markers in never ending rows.


There it is.
Living is the best inside joke.
 
2013-05-27 12:54:14 PM
Time to move the wall to Sudden Valley.

/thiscan'tbeobscure
 
2013-05-27 01:00:19 PM

fustanella: Time to move the wall to Sudden Valley.

/thiscan'tbeobscure


It might be time for a new start.
 
2013-05-27 01:07:02 PM
I think I'd prefer a more traditional memorial for Iraq and Afghanistan. Similar to the Korean War Memorial. Either way, I plan on being as active as I can be in the creation of that memorial. My buddies and I made a vow that we would ride together on our motorcycles to the dedication of the memorial. My wife won't let me have a motorcycle yet, and one of the guys who is supposed to ride with us is currently incarcerated, so luckily I haven't heard anyone talk about it so I don't even think it's in its planning stages yet.


/SPC Brock Bucklin, May 31, 2006
/SPC Damien Montoya, July 9, 2006
/SSG Kenneth Jenkins, August 12, 2006
 
2013-05-27 01:15:11 PM
Possible HOTY candidate.
 
2013-05-27 01:36:26 PM

lucksi: It was raining when we got there and the tour guide said that, as bad as it might seem, it was sort of a good thing. It would hit home harder and give us an idea of what the soldiers' conditions were like

yes, being in the rain, probably with an umbrella, for a little while is exactly what the soldiers experienced.


They were people who had once lived and had fought for me to be able to wake up every morning as a free American teenage girl.
FARK YOU. You ignorant little twunt. You might want to open a history book and a real one at that. Not whatever you get to read at Jesus college.


The hate is strong in this one.
 
2013-05-27 01:48:12 PM

ChuckyV: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x628]


Nice, I kinda prefer the original.

i10.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-27 02:29:38 PM

paleryder69: I guess one thing that strikes me is that most people who have never served do not understand what it is like even in peacetime to serve. To those that have, every day is memorial day. It is there in the back of our mind every day of our lives. When we sit in the VA lobby listening to the stories we hear the things that happened to our parents and grandparents, we hear of the sacrifices, we hear of the unsung hero's, we hear the shots and explosions, we hear the screams and finally we hear the silence and weep for those who went before us.   Veterans never forget their comrades

This day is for you, I salute those with the simple white markers in never ending rows.


Speak for yourself.
 
2013-05-27 03:02:21 PM
They died so we could have corn syrup.
 
2013-05-27 04:04:37 PM

the_chief: They died so we could have corn syrup.


why do you hate america (corn syrup)?
 
2013-05-27 05:42:44 PM

the_chief: They died so we could have corn syrup.


Oh so they're to blame for my puffy nipples
 
2013-05-27 06:07:52 PM

Ivandrago: I think I'd prefer a more traditional memorial for Iraq and Afghanistan. Similar to the Korean War Memorial. Either way, I plan on being as active as I can be in the creation of that memorial. My buddies and I made a vow that we would ride together on our motorcycles to the dedication of the memorial. My wife won't let me have a motorcycle yet, and one of the guys who is supposed to ride with us is currently incarcerated, so luckily I haven't heard anyone talk about it so I don't even think it's in its planning stages yet.


/SPC Brock Bucklin, May 31, 2006
/SPC Damien Montoya, July 9, 2006
/SSG Kenneth Jenkins, August 12, 2006


*salutes*

/it's all I got
 
2013-05-27 11:46:55 PM
Talking about Vietnam is one of the only subjects that has ever made my father cry. He was rejected 4F when his number came up- destroyed both knees in 1964 playing football, couldn't depend on either one not going out until about 1967, and his number came up in 1965. Dodged a bullet- figuratively and likely literally. A number of his friends went and didn't come back.

When my class was going to DC in eighth grade, he called my teacher and asked her to deliver a package to the Wall for him, and to put it in 1965. He also told me to make sure it was there.

It was a brown paper bag, with a bottle of Budweiser and a pack of Luckies. The note was simple. Guys, have a smoke and a drink on me.

That was four friends he lost. A fifth isn't on that wall.

He was a Quaker, one of but a few down there. They're pacifist. He filed all the paperwork, everything for a conscientious objector notation, and got turned down. He was told that there would be a car from the Army there one morning to pick him up for training.

The night before, he shot himself in the head. The thought of taking arms against someone was too much to bear.

Dad has still never gone to see the Wall, or the traveling one. Maybe this year he will. I know he wants to, but I think he's scared.
 
2013-05-28 04:08:00 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: fustanella: Time to move the wall to Sudden Valley.

/thiscan'tbeobscure

It might be time for a new start.


Nice comment a news tart
 
2013-05-28 10:36:40 PM

mjones73: Nice, I kinda prefer the original.


I cried when I first saw that. So powerful. Still is.
 
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