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(Pittsburgh Tribune-Review)   Ten years ago, Pennsylvania made helmets optional for motorcyclists, which has worked about pretty much exactly how lots of people expected   (triblive.com) divider line 245
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2013-05-27 08:05:46 AM
We have the same law here in Florida, it's stupid.

But not as stupid as the kids I see riding superbikes without a helmet and wearing a t-shirt, shorts and flip-flops.
 
2013-05-27 08:15:30 AM

fatalvenom: We have the same law here in Florida, it's stupid.

But not as stupid as the kids I see riding superbikes without a helmet and wearing a t-shirt, shorts and flip-flops.


I approve of both of those things. I have a 84-year-old mother in Florida, and it's nice the know the organ supply is safe.
 
2013-05-27 08:28:18 AM
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2013-05-27 08:38:38 AM
"Yes, he made the choice to get on that bike without a helmet. But if he didn't have that option, then it would have been a different story,"

Yes, because making something illegal completely removes the possibility of it ever being done. Especially when somebody's drunk, and not making the best decisions they might otherwise make. People  never break the law.
 
2013-05-27 08:45:56 AM
Fark me, i couldn't even imagine riding without a lid. It just feels.. wrong.
 
2013-05-27 08:49:52 AM
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2013-05-27 08:59:47 AM
I've never understood why anyone wouldn't wear a helmet.
 
2013-05-27 09:05:18 AM

SilentStrider: I've never understood why anyone wouldn't wear a helmet.


With some exceptions, people are stupid.
 
2013-05-27 09:06:18 AM

SilentStrider: I've never understood why anyone wouldn't wear a helmet.


I never understood why anyone would force them. That's more scary than dain brammage.
 
2013-05-27 09:11:54 AM

SilentStrider: I've never understood why anyone wouldn't wear a helmet.


Generally because helmets aren't "cool".  But, it's fun hearing the excuses motorcyclists come up with to pretend that's not the reason.  I think the standard talking point for helmets is that they get hot, boo hoo.  See, that's what they meant by cool.  Um, yeah.

These are the same people who make their motorcycles louder because they're so concerned about safety and want you to hear them coming.  They're concerned enough to rape your ears with their noise penis.  But don't expect them to wear a helmet or some brightly colored clothes.  Nope, neither of those could have a safety impact.
 
2013-05-27 09:13:27 AM

doglover: SilentStrider: I've never understood why anyone wouldn't wear a helmet.

I never understood why anyone would force them. That's more scary than dain brammage.


Because we, as a society, generally don't want to pay for other people's idiocy. Most of the people who die because of not wearing helmets are lost productive members of society.
 
2013-05-27 09:14:03 AM

serial_crusher: Generally because helmets aren't "cool".


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2013-05-27 09:26:20 AM

SurfaceTension: doglover: SilentStrider: I've never understood why anyone wouldn't wear a helmet.

I never understood why anyone would force them. That's more scary than dain brammage.

Because we, as a society, generally don't want to pay for other people's idiocy. Most of the people who die because of not wearing helmets are lost productive members of society.


So they're slaves.
 
2013-05-27 09:35:59 AM
Oh I've heard the "reasons", I just think they're insane. If I'm going down a road at 65, I'd like to have something protecting my face and head in case the worst happens.
 
2013-05-27 09:37:12 AM

SurfaceTension: Because we, as a society, generally don't want to pay for other people's idiocy.


You will do as you are told for the good of the sta...er society.
 
2013-05-27 09:42:02 AM
I remember the debates. The best testimony was from a trauma surgeon who said that ending the helmet requirement would save the health care system countless millions of dollars, since future motorcycle injury cases would just go straight to the morgue.
 
2013-05-27 09:46:57 AM
FTFA: Since 2003, deaths in motorcycle crashes increased 35 percent. In 2012, 210 people died in motorcycle crashes, according to PennDOT statistics. Of those killed, 100 wore helmets; 104 did not. Information isn't known for six deaths.


Registrations have skyrocketed 53 percent since 2003. More motorcycles mean more crashes and more fatalities, Umbenhauer said. PennDOT records show 5.19 deaths per 10,000 motorcycle registrations in 2012 and 5.92 for 10,000 in 2003.



So registrations are up 53 percent but deaths are only up 35 percent? More miles driven always results in more fatalities. Sounds like that's the correlation.


The difference between a helmet and no helmet, with a few notable exceptions, is the difference between an open and a closed casket and little else.
 
2013-05-27 09:50:16 AM
I always ride with full gear, mostly because I don't trust other drivers.  I was once run over by a car, and my helmet absolutely saved my life.
 
2013-05-27 09:50:39 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: Since 2003, deaths in motorcycle crashes increased 35 percent. In 2012, 210 people died in motorcycle crashes, according to PennDOT statistics. Of those killed, 100 wore helmets; 104 did not. Information isn't known for six deaths.


Registrations have skyrocketed 53 percent since 2003. More motorcycles mean more crashes and more fatalities, Umbenhauer said. PennDOT records show 5.19 deaths per 10,000 motorcycle registrations in 2012 and 5.92 for 10,000 in 2003.


So registrations are up 53 percent but deaths are only up 35 percent? More miles driven always results in more fatalities. Sounds like that's the correlation.


The difference between a helmet and no helmet, with a few notable exceptions, is the difference between an open and a closed casket and little else.




Aren't you comparing raw registrations to fatality rates? If so, the 35% increase in death rates is an 88% increase in total deaths.
 
2013-05-27 09:51:39 AM

bronyaur1: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: Since 2003, deaths in motorcycle crashes increased 35 percent. In 2012, 210 people died in motorcycle crashes, according to PennDOT statistics. Of those killed, 100 wore helmets; 104 did not. Information isn't known for six deaths.


Registrations have skyrocketed 53 percent since 2003. More motorcycles mean more crashes and more fatalities, Umbenhauer said. PennDOT records show 5.19 deaths per 10,000 motorcycle registrations in 2012 and 5.92 for 10,000 in 2003.


So registrations are up 53 percent but deaths are only up 35 percent? More miles driven always results in more fatalities. Sounds like that's the correlation.


The difference between a helmet and no helmet, with a few notable exceptions, is the difference between an open and a closed casket and little else.

Aren't you comparing raw registrations to fatality rates? If so, the 35% increase in death rates is an 88% increase in total deaths.




nope... sorry... my bad.
 
2013-05-27 09:52:40 AM
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2013-05-27 09:53:27 AM
That good. We need to thin out our population numbers a bit. Too many old people, not nearly enough young ones....and the older ones are living long than ever before. So anything that encourages a few more deaths is only going to help at this point.
 
2013-05-27 10:00:41 AM

SilentStrider: Oh I've heard the "reasons", I just think they're insane. If I'm going down a road at 65, I'd like to have something protecting my face and head in case the worst happens.


As would any sane person. But it's not the law's job to keep you safe from yourself.

Helmets exist. Brains exist. If you have a brain, you use a helmet. If you don't, that's really just Darwin in action. Cockroaches have evolved that don't eat sucrose because we put poisoned sucrose in traps. As long as we don't regulate biker helmets, we'll get a race of bikers who always wear their helmet or develop freaky crash resistance. Either way, win-win.

Helmet laws just keep the gene pool shallow.
 
2013-05-27 10:02:16 AM
"Safety is my choice, safety is my voice, if I am not safe, then I am not free, I will report every violation, that I see."
 http://www.fastfreds.com/articles/modern-day-rip-van-winkle.htm
 
2013-05-27 10:05:30 AM

doglover: As would any sane person. But it's not the law's job to keep you safe from yourself.


Agreed.
 
2013-05-27 10:11:08 AM

MayoSlather: doglover: As would any sane person. But it's not the law's job to keep you safe from yourself.

Agreed.


Yeah but you don't see people biatching about seatbelt laws. Sure there's the occasional moron who wants to "be thrown clear from the car in the event of an accident" but there aren't whole events centered around it.
 
2013-05-27 10:13:07 AM

Mugato: Yeah but you don't see people biatching about seatbelt laws


Stupid as well.
 
2013-05-27 10:14:44 AM

doglover: Cockroaches have evolved that don't eat sucrose because we put poisoned sucrose in traps. As long as we don't regulate biker helmets, we'll get a race of bikers who always wear their helmet or develop freaky crash resistance.


Cockroaches don't have taxpayer-subsidized emergency rooms for the retard cockroaches who eat poison.
 
2013-05-27 10:19:14 AM

Mugato: Yeah but you don't see people biatching about seatbelt laws


I rank them up there with helmet laws and other such tomfoolery. I like seat belts. I wear them. But the cops shouldn't have the power to write a ticket.

Captain Dan: doglover: Cockroaches have evolved that don't eat sucrose because we put poisoned sucrose in traps. As long as we don't regulate biker helmets, we'll get a race of bikers who always wear their helmet or develop freaky crash resistance.

Cockroaches don't have taxpayer-subsidized emergency rooms for the retard cockroaches who eat poison.


The problems with the medical system are myriad. Not the least of which is the cost. That's a bigger problem than nanny laws but not insurmountable under my overall plan for the perfect world.
 
2013-05-27 10:24:23 AM
Helmetless riding should be ok with the following conditions: you must have private health insurance, and you must inform said insurer of your intentions to ride helmetless. If they continue to insure you after that point, it's their problem.

No medicare, medicaid, VA, or indigent healthcare service of any kind.

If you show up at the ER with your brains leaking out of your ears and you can't pay for it, you can sit on the front steps with a 'please help' sign, and hope somebody does before you expire.

After all, you are the tough, freedom loving biker type, you wouldn't want my pansy ass bailing you out anyhow...
 
2013-05-27 10:27:31 AM
It would be nice for car driver's tests to stress looking out for motorcycles, being more aware of their stopping distances etc, double-checking for bikes coming up on your inside before turning right, and being more aware of your blind spots in general. Most people have their side mirrors positioned wrong (you're not supposed to be able to see much of your own car at all).
 
2013-05-27 10:27:52 AM
Meh, the country needs organ donors.

/check that box on your license, folks
 
2013-05-27 10:29:32 AM

doglover: The problems with the medical system are myriad. Not the least of which is the cost. That's a bigger problem than nanny laws but not insurmountable under my overall plan for the perfect world.


I'd be okay with making seatbelts and helmets optional iff Obamacare and EMTALA were repealed.  Until then, I'm cool with the nanny-state so long as it saves me money.
 
2013-05-27 10:31:40 AM
Why are bikers still around anyway? They're mostly baby boomers my dad's age with pony tails and some leathery woman riding behind them. You weren't cool then and you're a pain in the ass to people with real modes of transportation now. Wear a helmet, don't wear a helmet. I give a shiat. My insurance premiums are going to be the same either way.
 
2013-05-27 10:38:28 AM

dforkus: Helmetless ridingGun owners should be ok with the following conditions: you must have private health insurance, and you must inform said insurer of your intentions to ride helmetless own a gun. If they continue to insure you after that point, it's their problem.

No medicare, medicaid, VA, or indigent healthcare service of any kind.

If you show up at the ER with your brains leaking out of your earsa gunshot wound and you can't pay for it, you can sit on the front steps with a 'please help' sign, and hope somebody does before you expire.

After all, you are the tough, freedom loving biker gun-owner type, you wouldn't want my pansy ass bailing you out anyhow...

 
2013-05-27 10:39:45 AM

Earguy: serial_crusher: Generally because helmets aren't "cool".

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2013-05-27 10:39:52 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Mugato: Yeah but you don't see people biatching about seatbelt laws

Stupid as well.


At least they don't require seatbelts on motorcycles, yet.
 
2013-05-27 10:41:36 AM

The Iconoclast: dforkus: Helmetless ridingGun owners should be ok with the following conditions: you must have private health insurance, and you must inform said insurer of your intentions to ride helmetless own a gun. If they continue to insure you after that point, it's their problem.

No medicare, medicaid, VA, or indigent healthcare service of any kind.

If you show up at the ER with your brains leaking out of your earsa gunshot wound and you can't pay for it, you can sit on the front steps with a 'please help' sign, and hope somebody does before you expire.

After all, you are the tough, freedom loving biker gun-owner type, you wouldn't want my pansy ass bailing you out anyhow...


0/10, because Constitution.
 
2013-05-27 10:56:00 AM
I'd like to see that graph as a percentage of population, or maybe a percentage of licensed bikes, instead of simple numbers.
 
2013-05-27 10:56:31 AM
Mugato: Yeah but you don't see people biatching about seatbelt laws

Actually, you do.

I'm fine with seat belt laws.  However, I have a problem with my state's legislature and how they passed them.

Step 1: Require seat belts.  But, we were assured, it would be a "secondary infraction"; there would be no pulling over people simply for not wearing a seat belt.  We were assured that this would not change.
Step 2: It changed.  Now it's a primary infraction.  They can pull you over simply for not wearing a seat belt.
Step 3: Increase penalties.  Impact on your insurance premiums.  Commercials are running, ominously warning that cops are trained to spot seat belt cheats, even at night.   (think that's a good excuse for stopping people who are the wrong skin tone, and seeing just what they're up to?)
 
2013-05-27 11:00:59 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The Iconoclast: dforkus: Helmetless ridingGun owners should be ok with the following conditions: you must have private health insurance, and you must inform said insurer of your intentions to ride helmetless own a gun. If they continue to insure you after that point, it's their problem.

No medicare, medicaid, VA, or indigent healthcare service of any kind.

If you show up at the ER with your brains leaking out of your earsa gunshot wound and you can't pay for it, you can sit on the front steps with a 'please help' sign, and hope somebody does before you expire.

After all, you are the tough, freedom loving biker gun-owner type, you wouldn't want my pansy ass bailing you out anyhow...

0/10, because Constitution.


Ok, maybe that was a bad example... But where does the line get crossed when it comes to the State forcing us to be "safe?" Is it all about the cost to society?
 
2013-05-27 11:03:51 AM

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Add in mandatory organ donation and you may have a deal.
 
2013-05-27 11:03:55 AM

t3knomanser: "Yes, he made the choice to get on that bike without a helmet. But if he didn't have that option, then it would have been a different story,"

Yes, because making something illegal completely removes the possibility of it ever being done. Especially when somebody's drunk, and not making the best decisions they might otherwise make. People  never break the law.


This. Even if it were law as some other states, plenty of people disregard it, just like seat belts in cars. Blame your father for being reckless, not the laws (or lack of).
 
2013-05-27 11:04:36 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: It would be nice for car driver's tests to stress looking out for motorcycles, being more aware of their stopping distances etc, double-checking for bikes coming up on your inside before turning right, and being more aware of your blind spots in general. Most people have their side mirrors positioned wrong (you're not supposed to be able to see much of your own car at all).


It would be nice if motorcycle drivers stopped using the yellow/white divider line as a new personal highway lane, used their signal lights and picked a lane.
 
2013-05-27 11:05:03 AM
Who was the moron that sponsored this bill?
 
2013-05-27 11:07:33 AM
Good, the less helmet laws the better. It's a good way to get stupid (motorcycle riders) out of the pool.
 
2013-05-27 11:07:36 AM
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2013-05-27 11:08:29 AM
We really should ban motorcycles from public roads, problem solved.
 
2013-05-27 11:09:35 AM

Rhomboid Goatcabin: Who was the moron that sponsored this bill?


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2013-05-27 11:11:10 AM
How are transplant rates in penn compared to states with helmet laws?
 
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