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(KREM Spokane)   Just like we always suspected, new research into the 'crack baby' hysteria of the 1980s reveals that despite the hype at the time it's perfectly fine to smoke crack while you're pregnant   (krem.com) divider line 46
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2013-05-27 02:36:40 AM
Media sensationalism and complicity in the war on drugs -NO WAY!
 
2013-05-27 02:51:23 AM
If the drug led to them being born early which was the "real" reason for any problems them might have had..... that still means it's the ultimate cause.
 
2013-05-27 03:24:16 AM
Yeah, I hate to sound like a shill for the anti-drug movement, but I have a hard time believing that smoking crack while pregnant is anything but a catastrophic plan.
 
2013-05-27 04:57:29 AM
AND we can thank Charles Krauthammer for this myth, which has been debunked for decades.
 
2013-05-27 08:11:29 AM
David Toma is probably spinning in this grave if he's dead.
 
2013-05-27 08:24:14 AM

RobertBruce: If the drug led to them being born early which was the "real" reason for any problems them might have had..... that still means it's the ultimate cause.


The ultimate cause of what? The problems that were not statistically higher in the "crack baby" population?
 
2013-05-27 08:27:29 AM
I heard it was a debunked myth in high-school during the 90's
 
2013-05-27 08:28:33 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-27 08:29:16 AM
Pill babies.
 
2013-05-27 08:30:11 AM
I think it's probably entirely possible that pregnant women doing crack are probably doing some other things that are unhealthy.

While they are suggesting that cocaine during pregnancy may not be harmful as advertised, it's probably still a good choice to avoid it.
 
2013-05-27 08:30:48 AM
It's a little late for that analysis, this should've been done when the crack babies were in high school - they're in their 20's now!!
 
2013-05-27 08:38:45 AM
Is it April 1st again?  Nope.  Sorry.  Using drugs during pregnancy CAN cause harmful side effects at birth.  My aunt who still works in daycare can provide many CSBs.  I mean if cigarettes can stunt its growth and development, then crack COCAINE is just pocket lint, right?

/Going to spend Memorial Day in confusion.
 
2013-05-27 08:42:05 AM
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CRACK MOM  CRACK MOM  CRACK MOM
 
2013-05-27 08:53:30 AM
How many of the crack babies didn't survive to be part of the study?
 
2013-05-27 08:53:49 AM
My Brother and sil adopted a crack baby. The birth mother was also an alcoholic. To be frank, the kid just turned 18 and has developed into a full fledged Frankenstein. Scans of her brain show abnormalities in development. She is about 6ft and 200 lbs, violently inclined, quick tempered and extremely manipulative. She has assaulted both my Brother and sil, kicked down doors, dented cars with her fists and feet whilst on a rampage and vanishes for a few days at a time to go on drinking/sex binges. She has been committed a couple of times and is on heavy meds to help he mood swings and anger. She did finish high school at a special school for the mentally farked up but I doubt she will ever get a job.

So there is something to this myth. The doctors they work with see it all the time with these now adult crack baby kids. The one in question is involved in a life long study.
 
2013-05-27 08:56:04 AM

RobertBruce: If the drug led to them being born early which was the "real" reason for any problems them might have had..... that still means it's the ultimate cause.


Exactly.  And this doesn't even take into account the increased risk of stillbirth, but pediatricians, social workers, and educators never actually see those babies, so they don't exist.
 
2013-05-27 09:09:38 AM

Red Shirt Blues: My Brother and sil adopted a crack baby. The birth mother was also an alcoholic. To be frank, the kid just turned 18 and has developed into a full fledged Frankenstein


Sounds more like FAS than crack related.
 
2013-05-27 09:13:36 AM
They are alive and they vote... which explains a lot these days.
 
2013-05-27 09:14:50 AM
Crack isn't the serious danger to the unborn fetus that popular news trumpeted. It's the alcohol that goes along with most crack addicts habits.

Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder is destroying some isolated communities, and is akin to an epidemic in middle and upper class America.

The difference between being born addicted to crack and recovering after a week or being born with part of your brain dissolved by alcohol is significant, yet you can almost hear the middle class pregnent moms trash talking crack addicts while sipping on "just a couple" glasses of wine.
 
2013-05-27 09:22:35 AM

kimmygibblershomework: Is it April 1st again?  Nope.  Sorry.  Using drugs during pregnancy CAN cause harmful side effects at birth.  My aunt who still works in daycare can provide many CSBs.  I mean if cigarettes can stunt its growth and development, then crack COCAINE is just pocket lint, right?

/Going to spend Memorial Day in confusion.


News Flash:  Different drugs have different physiological effects.  Just because a drug is legal, doesn't mean it is less harmful in all situations.  It IS quite possible that cigarettes are more damaging to fetal development than crack cocaine and according to this research, this seems to be true.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-27 09:24:24 AM
I knew a woman, born c. 1980, who blamed maternal drug use for some of her problems. I wonder what her excuse is now?
 
2013-05-27 09:25:31 AM

TappingTheVein: Red Shirt Blues: My Brother and sil adopted a crack baby. The birth mother was also an alcoholic. To be frank, the kid just turned 18 and has developed into a full fledged Frankenstein

Sounds more like FAS than crack related.


Well......the doctors and therapists pointed out which physical symptoms and behaviors went with which.
 
2013-05-27 09:26:13 AM

kimmygibblershomework: Is it April 1st again?  Nope.  Sorry.   Using drugs during pregnancy CAN cause harmful side effects at birth.


I'm not taking anyone seriously if the use a catch-all term like "drugs" when talking about effects.  Do you understand the huge range of substances that that word covers?
 
2013-05-27 09:32:50 AM
'Crack baby' scare overblown, teen research says

Yeah, like I'm going to trust research done by a bunch of teens!
 
2013-05-27 09:37:21 AM

Red Shirt Blues: TappingTheVein: Red Shirt Blues: My Brother and sil adopted a crack baby. The birth mother was also an alcoholic. To be frank, the kid just turned 18 and has developed into a full fledged Frankenstein

Sounds more like FAS than crack related.

Well......the doctors and therapists pointed out which physical symptoms and behaviors went with which.


Sadly, FASD expertise isn't at all common, as much of the groundbreaking research has occurred in the last decade or so.

Harm reduction approaches are focused on eliminating alcohol in addicted mothers, cocaine use isn't condoned, but exponentially less harmful, and some will say not a significant factor in the fetus' development at all.
 
2013-05-27 09:39:08 AM

Red Shirt Blues: TappingTheVein: Red Shirt Blues: My Brother and sil adopted a crack baby. The birth mother was also an alcoholic. To be frank, the kid just turned 18 and has developed into a full fledged Frankenstein

Sounds more like FAS than crack related.

Well......the doctors and therapists pointed out which physical symptoms and behaviors went with which.


Not saying you are wrong, but they might have been.  For centuries doctors have linked physical characteristics with mental disorders/deficiencies and for the most part all we got from it was a huge pile of confirmation bias.  It's amusing but often frightening to read the medical accounts of doctors through history to the modern day.  There are so many examples of doctors expressing their own prejudices as observations of the links between physical characteristics and mental capabilities that without actual proof (such as genetic testing which can confirm Downs syndrome and the associated physical characteristics) any claim of 'This physical thing indicates that behavioral thing' raises red flags for me.
 
2013-05-27 09:47:10 AM
I don't understand the popularity of crack.
If you want to be nervous and jittery, go to work.
 
2013-05-27 09:54:43 AM
Has Colorado repealed cocaine prohibition yet?
 
2013-05-27 10:01:53 AM

Red Shirt Blues: Well......the doctors and therapists pointed out which physical symptoms and behaviors went with which.


Well, i learned all i know about this from Tard Blog so..
I honestly wish your brother the best.
 
2013-05-27 10:05:59 AM

leevis: How many of the crack babies didn't survive to be part of the study?


or were sold to someone?
 
2013-05-27 10:26:15 AM

TappingTheVein: Red Shirt Blues: Well......the doctors and therapists pointed out which physical symptoms and behaviors went with which.

Well, i learned all i know about this from Tard Blog so..
I honestly wish your brother the best.


That blog is disturbing for many reasons, not the least of them being that she identifies her students by name while telling funny anecdotes about their behaviour. Black humour is a way to disguise some pretty sick inner bitterness. Most of my family and I have worked in mental health care, the ones that survive in the long run are those who do not resort to black humour to maintain their own sanity. Their are other options, like putting the welfare of your students/patients above your own self aggrandizing.
 
2013-05-27 10:30:45 AM

Red Shirt Blues: My Brother and sil adopted a crack baby. The birth mother was also an alcoholic. To be frank, the kid just turned 18 and has developed into a full fledged Frankenstein. Scans of her brain show abnormalities in development. She is about 6ft and 200 lbs, violently inclined, quick tempered and extremely manipulative. She has assaulted both my Brother and sil, kicked down doors, dented cars with her fists and feet whilst on a rampage and vanishes for a few days at a time to go on drinking/sex binges. She has been committed a couple of times and is on heavy meds to help he mood swings and anger. She did finish high school at a special school for the mentally farked up but I doubt she will ever get a job.

So there is something to this myth. The doctors they work with see it all the time with these now adult crack baby kids. The one in question is involved in a life long study.


Well, at least it didn't stunt her physical growth...
 
2013-05-27 10:40:30 AM

Red Shirt Blues: My Brother and sil adopted a crack baby. The birth mother was also an alcoholic. To be frank, the kid just turned 18 and has developed into a full fledged Frankenstein. Scans of her brain show abnormalities in development. She is about 6ft and 200 lbs, violently inclined, quick tempered and extremely manipulative. She has assaulted both my Brother and sil, kicked down doors, dented cars with her fists and feet whilst on a rampage and vanishes for a few days at a time to go on drinking/sex binges. She has been committed a couple of times and is on heavy meds to help he mood swings and anger. She did finish high school at a special school for the mentally farked up but I doubt she will ever get a job.

So there is something to this myth. The doctors they work with see it all the time with these now adult crack baby kids. The one in question is involved in a life long study.


Science vs personal anecdote. How do it work?
 
2013-05-27 11:06:41 AM

Greylight: Crack isn't the serious danger to the unborn fetus that popular news trumpeted. It's the alcohol that goes along with most crack addicts habits.

Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder is destroying some isolated communities, and is akin to an epidemic in middle and upper class America.

The difference between being born addicted to crack and recovering after a week or being born with part of your brain dissolved by alcohol is significant, yet you can almost hear the middle class pregnent moms trash talking crack addicts while sipping on "just a couple" glasses of wine.


I have to say that I believe an occasional glass of wine or beer is okay during pregnancy. But I also disagree with your sentiment because the studies of FAS were done on women with full blown alcoholism. They were also deficient in vital nutrients. My point is that "crack baby" myths and FAS scares are designed to communicate the worst case scenario to pregnant women. And maybe it should be that way, maybe a lot of women don't have access to adequate prenatal care or education. Those women should be scared to do anything remotely risky. But all behaviors are likely to become propaganda for whomever has an agenda.
 
2013-05-27 11:14:16 AM

Red Shirt Blues: My Brother and sil adopted a crack baby. The birth mother was also an alcoholic. To be frank, the kid just turned 18 and has developed into a full fledged Frankenstein. Scans of her brain show abnormalities in development. She is about 6ft and 200 lbs, violently inclined, quick tempered and extremely manipulative. She has assaulted both my Brother and sil, kicked down doors, dented cars with her fists and feet whilst on a rampage and vanishes for a few days at a time to go on drinking/sex binges. She has been committed a couple of times and is on heavy meds to help he mood swings and anger. She did finish high school at a special school for the mentally farked up but I doubt she will ever get a job.

So there is something to this myth. The doctors they work with see it all the time with these now adult crack baby kids. The one in question is involved in a life long study.


Sell her to the military. Imagine her with a light machine gun in talibanistan. It will not end well... For the Taliban.
 
2013-05-27 11:38:15 AM

kimmygibblershomework: Is it April 1st again?  Nope.  Sorry.  Using drugs during pregnancy CAN cause harmful side effects at birth.  My aunt who still works in daycare can provide many CSBs.  I mean if cigarettes can stunt its growth and development, then crack COCAINE is just pocket lint, right?

/Going to spend Memorial Day in confusion.


Using drugs during pregnancy is certainly a bad idea, and it definitely can cause harmful side effects at birth- but so can a lack of prenatal care and shiatty nutrition, and as a society we decided not to care about that. Oddly enough there's a lot of overlap between impoverished people with no health insurance and crack users, because when your life is shiat crack is that much more tempting, and it's a vicious cycle once you fall into it. Separating out the actual crack babies from the poverty babies is basically impossible, so let's just blame the women, shall we? After all, we gave up on the War on Poverty decades ago, there being no money to be made in it, but the War on Drugs is still going strong- there are fortunes to be made in private prisons. Besides, real solutions are hard, and this is mostly just blah people anyway.
 
2013-05-27 11:42:06 AM
Sure sounds like sound scientific reasoning to me.

Honey? Light it up!

www.comicbookmovie.com
 
2013-05-27 11:44:53 AM

malaktaus: Using drugs during pregnancy is certainly a bad idea, and it definitely can cause harmful side effects at birth- but so can a lack of prenatal care and shiatty nutrition, and as a society we decided not to care about that.


That's not true at all.  Medicaid and WIC qualifications during pregnancy are ridiculously easy to obtain for that very reason.  If you bother to sign up, you get free medical care and groceries.
 
2013-05-27 12:16:02 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Sure sounds like sound scientific reasoning to me.

Honey? Light it up!

[www.comicbookmovie.com image 440x352]


That there is a tranny,
 
2013-05-27 12:27:30 PM
Mayor Ford, Mayor Ford:  Good news (hands article).  When are you due?

/is the job for your Chief of Staff still open?
 
2013-05-27 01:16:26 PM
Still not ok if you're a singer though right?
 
2013-05-27 01:47:11 PM
Rob Ford's pregnant?
 
2013-05-27 02:48:17 PM

Mrs.Sharpier: Greylight: Crack isn't the serious danger to the unborn fetus that popular news trumpeted. It's the alcohol that goes along with most crack addicts habits.

Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder is destroying some isolated communities, and is akin to an epidemic in middle and upper class America.

The difference between being born addicted to crack and recovering after a week or being born with part of your brain dissolved by alcohol is significant, yet you can almost hear the middle class pregnent moms trash talking crack addicts while sipping on "just a couple" glasses of wine.

I have to say that I believe an occasional glass of wine or beer is okay during pregnancy. But I also disagree with your sentiment because the studies of FAS were done on women with full blown alcoholism. They were also deficient in vital nutrients. My point is that "crack baby" myths and FAS scares are designed to communicate the worst case scenario to pregnant women. And maybe it should be that way, maybe a lot of women don't have access to adequate prenatal care or education. Those women should be scared to do anything remotely risky. But all behaviors are likely to become propaganda for whomever has an agenda.


You may want to do some more research into this. There is no safe amount of alcohol at any time of pregnancy. Period. Your folksy wisdom is part of the problem. There is no way to tell what particular drink and when will do damage, so it is always a degree of Russian roulette. You may have 50 chambers in the gun or 6 depending on the circumstances, but you are always taking a risk. I'm not at all sure why you think no one has looked into small amounts of alcohol used during pregnancy, other than justifying to yourself someone's own alcohol use during pregnancy. I may not be an expert on FASD but I slept with one last night.
 
2013-05-27 02:51:34 PM
Rob Ford is pragnent?
 
2013-05-27 05:47:37 PM
I seem to have flushed the crackheads out of the forums.  Seriously, not a single one of you have normal reading comprehension skills.

Fukwit 1: I am going to restate everything you just said and somehow disagree because I am a fukwit.

Fukwit 2: "WHARRLGARBL CIGARETTES ARE NOT CRACK."  No shiat.  They cost way more.

Fukwit 3:  "You hate drugs, you you REAGAN LOVER!"  Get an MRI, chief.  There is something wrong with the way you see and process information.

You ALL overlooked the fallacy that my evidence was anecdotal.
 
2013-05-27 09:28:06 PM
There is no objectivity here because the researchers are, themselves, crack babies.
 
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