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(Huffington Post)   Remember all those shiatty bridges in Red States and how close they are to collapse? We meant Blue States, not Red States. Our bad   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-05-27 08:01:27 AM  
Well when your sending more of your tax dollars, than what you get back, to the Red states to support them you have less to spend on your own infrastructure.
 
2013-05-27 08:06:03 AM  
Well they're sort of purpley blue states.
 
2013-05-27 08:18:35 AM  
Really, I don't think bridge safety is a partisan concern. It's not like a bridge is going to decide to fall because some lib soccer mom in an SUV is driving over it or stay up because a hard working American farmer in an old Ford truck is driving over it.

Bridge safety is a concern for all of us. Shame on the libs for turning this into another political fight.
 
2013-05-27 08:26:56 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Really, I don't think bridge safety is a partisan concern. It's not like a bridge is going to decide to fall because some lib soccer mom in an SUV is driving over it or stay up because a hard working American farmer in an old Ford truck is driving over it.

Bridge safety is a concern for all of us. Shame on the libs for turning this into another political fight.


Uh... you're forgetting Jesus. Jesus keeps the bridges up for the believers. He also murders soccer moms.
 
2013-05-27 08:30:36 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Bridge safety is a concern for all of us. Shame on the libs for turning this into another political fight.


The link goes to a non-political story, the submitter turns it into an attack on liberals, and you are shaming liberals for turning it into a political fight?  huh?
 
2013-05-27 08:31:59 AM  
FTFA: "In his State of the Union address this year, President Obama urged repairs of "the nearly 70,000 structurally deficient bridges across the country." He proposed a plan called "Fix it First," which would have invested $50 billion in repairing transportation infrastructure, starting with the most urgent repairs. Instead, Congress failed to avoid the sequester and transportation repair spending faces a $1.9 billion cut."

And that is all you really need to know.
/Yeah partisanship, party before country.
//Oh, and Jesus.  Cause if a bridge collapses under you, then it was just God's will that you should plummet into a river in your car.
 
2013-05-27 08:34:15 AM  
largedon:
//Oh, and Jesus.  Cause if a bridge collapses under you, then it was just God's will that you should plummet into a river in your car.

i've come to the conclusion that with the exception of deciding sporting events, God is kind of a dick.
 
2013-05-27 08:39:15 AM  
How the fark is infrastructure a partisan issue?
 
2013-05-27 08:42:58 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: AverageAmericanGuy: Bridge safety is a concern for all of us. Shame on the libs for turning this into another political fight.

The link goes to a non-political story, the submitter turns it into an attack on liberals, and you are shaming liberals for turning it into a political fight?  huh?


Because of comments like this pointing the finger of blame at the Republicans:

largedon: FTFA: "In his State of the Union address this year, President Obama urged repairs of "the nearly 70,000 structurally deficient bridges across the country." He proposed a plan called "Fix it First," which would have invested $50 billion in repairing transportation infrastructure, starting with the most urgent repairs. Instead, Congress failed to avoid the sequester and transportation repair spending faces a $1.9 billion cut."

And that is all you really need to know.
/Yeah partisanship, party before country.


It's all libs seems to be good at these days.
 
2013-05-27 08:50:51 AM  

TalenLee: How the fark is infrastructure a partisan issue?


Because one side isn't keen on spending lots of money and the other side isn't keen on being honest about their desire to spend lots of money with disregard to its use.

Essentially it's either turn every project into the Big Dig or not do anything.

Oh, and one side also likes to "...but Jesus" every issue when you disagree with them. You can't simply disagree. If you disagree it's because you don't care about people dying in infrastructure collapses because Jesus will take care of everything.
 
2013-05-27 08:59:45 AM  
AverageAmericanGuy (favorite: Schroedinger's Troll) : It's all libs seems to be good at these days.

In any logical world, pointing out how utterly terrible Republicans are at running the country would turn people away from the party. But since Jesus, abortion, and guns trump logic, Republicans can continue cutting funding to things as vital as bridge repair.

But you know this. You're just a troll whose positions change based on what garners the most outrage.
 
2013-05-27 08:59:51 AM  
Weren't these bridges supposed to be fixed under the "shovel ready" stimulus package?
 
2013-05-27 09:00:33 AM  

TalenLee: How the fark is infrastructure a partisan issue?

Everything

is a partisan issue to some people.
 
2013-05-27 09:00:59 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's all libs seems to be good at these days.


First off, you seem to be doing a lot of politicizing of the subject yourself, so please don't pretend it's all liberals.

Second, give it time.  There are only 10 comments as of this reply.  I'm sure there will be plenty of conservatives who will be able to disprove your notion that only libs can politicize the bridge failures.
 
2013-05-27 09:02:32 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: AverageAmericanGuy: It's all libs seems to be good at these days.

First off, you seem to be doing a lot of politicizing of the subject yourself, so please don't pretend it's all liberals.

Second, give it time.  There are only 10 comments as of this reply.  I'm sure there will be plenty of conservatives who will be able to disprove your notion that only libs can politicize the bridge failures.


I'm sure that there will be conservatives in here defending themselves. But remember that libs are offensive.
 
2013-05-27 09:06:03 AM  
Oh, so you mean the states that pay the taxes so the red states can live off of welfare since they have no real economy from which to base their existence on... ya, the blue states should be allowed to take their federal tax dollars and allocate them towards interstate road projects instead of feeding poor dumb farkwit hillbillies who are too busy biatching about how everyone else is a mooch to notice that they haven't worked in 20 years.
 
2013-05-27 09:07:42 AM  
Nothing worth building a bridge over in those crappy flat states.
 
2013-05-27 09:08:57 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: LeoffDaGrate: AverageAmericanGuy: It's all libs seems to be good at these days.

First off, you seem to be doing a lot of politicizing of the subject yourself, so please don't pretend it's all liberals.

Second, give it time.  There are only 10 comments as of this reply.  I'm sure there will be plenty of conservatives who will be able to disprove your notion that only libs can politicize the bridge failures.

I'm sure that there will be conservatives in here defending themselves. But remember that libs are offensive.


Thank you for the laugh.  You started out wishing that the entire infrastructure argument was non-partisan, yet with every single reply you prove yourself to be hyper-partisan to the point of delusional.  Keep up the good work.
 
2013-05-27 09:11:58 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's all libs seems to be good at these days.


I find that amusing considering what you were responding to was "Obama proposed massive infrastructure repair...which was killed in by the Republicans in the House" and tried to make the liberals the bad people in this.

I must say, for a troll, I'd give you some credit if there was any actual basis in your arguments. This entire time though, you're just reaching to toss liberals under the bus regardless.

/"both liberals and conservatives agree, water is wet"
//AverageAmericanGuy:WHY DO LIBERALS HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH  EVERYTHING!!!!!
 
2013-05-27 09:23:07 AM  

TalenLee: How the fark is infrastructure a partisan issue?


well, it's socialism to build/improve it here in the USA, but it's awesome to build/improve it in places you've bombed into submission.

try to keep up.
 
2013-05-27 09:23:48 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Really, I don't think bridge safety is a partisan concern. It's not like a bridge is going to decide to fall because some lib soccer mom in an SUV is driving over it or stay up because a hard working American farmer in an old Ford truck is driving over it.

Bridge safety is a concern for all of us. Shame on the libs for turning this into another political fight.


Yes, sweetie, the scary libs made it political. Not no-tax-at-all-for-any-reason-ever, common-clay-of-the-new-west average american guys.
 
2013-05-27 09:28:21 AM  
btw, of the "over 12 percent" states, i see:

blue:
hawaii
california
pennsylvania
new york
vermont
new hampshire
rhode island
maine
colorado
michigan
iowa

red:
west virginia
north carolina
south carolina
mississippi
louisiana
missouri
oklahoma
nebraska
south dakota
north dakota
alaska

so, that's 11 blue and 11 red.

not exactly the blue-state sweep you were hinting at in your headline.
 
2013-05-27 09:29:48 AM  
I'd like to see a graphic that shows structurally deficient bridges by traffic volume.  The two bridges I can choose to cross each day across the Ohio river into Louisville are just scary, plus one is on a major north-south interstate highway.
 
2013-05-27 09:42:25 AM  

Sagus: Weren't these bridges supposed to be fixed under the "shovel ready" stimulus package?


Instead it was way better to spend money on shiatty aluminum cut outs of fish at the side of the road in Seattle, and mom-daughter makeovers in Baltimore.

Seriously, maybe the American people wouldn't be so generally opposed to government spending if so much of it wasn't pissed down the toilet on complete bullshiat.
 
2013-05-27 09:42:42 AM  
Calling BS on the Bay bridge collapse. That was caused by an earthquake, not structural deficiencies.
 
2013-05-27 09:52:41 AM  
It doesn't matter what state these disasters are waiting to happen in, just fix the damn things already...
 
2013-05-27 09:53:28 AM  

Sagus: Weren't these bridges supposed to be fixed under the "shovel ready" stimulus package?


No. Bridge construction projects are not "shovel ready".
 
2013-05-27 09:57:04 AM  
I thought infrastructure was an issue in ALL states
 
2013-05-27 09:59:28 AM  

heap: largedon:
//Oh, and Jesus.  Cause if a bridge collapses under you, then it was just God's will that you should plummet into a river in your car.

i've come to the conclusion that with the exception of deciding sporting events, God is kind of a dick.


My local sports team lost. He's a dick there too.
 
2013-05-27 10:00:13 AM  
This information is worthless without some measure of traffic patterns for comparison. How about a graphic showing percentage of deficient bridges to total number of bridges in the state? Rather than being a public service announcement about the horrible state of bridges in our nation it's once again a "red state v.s. blue state" regurgitation here on Fark. Thanks subby.

/going back to bed
//supports ASCE
 
2013-05-27 10:00:36 AM  

Frozboz: I'd like to see a graphic that shows structurally deficient bridges by traffic volume.  The two bridges I can choose to cross each day across the Ohio river into Louisville are just scary, plus one is on a major north-south interstate highway.


That would be more useful.

At my first school of employment, we had a Career Day where parents and local businessmen would come to school and talk about their jobs and how to get/do them - everything from local government to law enforcement to sales, to construction. One of the parents ran a fair-sized construction company, and he told the students that road and bridge construction would be a growth opportunity that they should get in on. Not the glamorous type of work a lot of them wanted to do, he said, but he went on to say that if every construction outfit then in existence in the Dallas/Fort Worth area capable of bridge re-/construction and repair dropped all of their other business and did nothing but bridge reconstruction and repair in the D/FW area for the next twenty years, they couldn't handle just the bridges already built and marked for necessary maintenance and replacement. And that was 16 years ago. And that's not even counting new construction.

We as a country have been letting all the gruntwork to keep the country going slide for twenty-five years - ever since the mid-80s, at least down here. As my dad used to say, "pay me now - or pay me later." Pay me MORE later, really, but if you have to pay for it, you'll pay eventually.
 
2013-05-27 10:00:56 AM  
Did anybody else notice that the San Francisco and Oakland bridge collapses happened on the same day as the big earthquake in San Francisco? I think that might be significant.
 
2013-05-27 10:04:16 AM  

ajackso8: How about a graphic showing percentage of deficient bridges to total number of bridges in the state?


Before the flame war begins, I will admit I probably should have actually read the legend for the article. My bad.
 
2013-05-27 10:05:22 AM  

hubiestubert: It doesn't matter what state these disasters are waiting to happen in, just fix the damn things already...


The ones in California were already fixed. The damage that occured with those two happened during the big earthquake, after that California went on a bridge reinforcement spree, which lasted for quite a few years, but we wanted our bridges as earthquake safe as was reasonably possible.
 
2013-05-27 10:13:06 AM  

LectertheChef: hubiestubert: It doesn't matter what state these disasters are waiting to happen in, just fix the damn things already...

The ones in California were already fixed. The damage that occured with those two happened during the big earthquake, after that California went on a bridge reinforcement spree, which lasted for quite a few years, but we wanted our bridges as earthquake safe as was reasonably possible.


Mass has some issues with infrastructure, but then again, given the numbers of bridges, and the miles and miles of back roads, it is an issue that isn't exactly easy.  Then you throw in the intrinsic corruption that is Massachusetts politics, and you have the environment we have to drive and bike through today...
 
2013-05-27 10:14:47 AM  
blog.mlive.com

fineartamerica.com

media.mlive.com


Northern states have shiatty bridges and roads has more to do with location then political leaning.
 
2013-05-27 10:25:58 AM  
Here's a bridge in Moscow, in the reddest of a red states.

ak2.picdn.net
 
2013-05-27 10:44:22 AM  
Speaking as someone who ran multi-million dollar DOT bridge jobs for 10 years, I'm getting a kick out of etc etc.

Keep in mind three statisticals:
Interstate bridge replacements are generally mostly or fully federally fundily.
Blue states get less federal funds then red states, as red states are all TAKERS.
New Venture Brothers Tuesday!
 
2013-05-27 11:12:16 AM  
I live in the bluest blue state that ever blue. Our highway bridges are FUBAR. The major bridges of Newport, Jamestown, Sakonnet, and Mt. Hope are doing well because they are controlled by a quasi-govt. agency that the legislature can't steal from.

Seriously, that seems to be the major problem. State governments steal from the general fund to plug short-fall gaps and would rather not invest for the future. They learned it from Harvard Business School and corporate America. Short-term thinking will kill us all.

Plus, we have older infrastructure, as a general rule. Considering many places in the south had nothing but dirt roads forever. I remember reading how gigantic a deal it was when the Huey Long Bridge was built. Well, in a history book, but still.

The Mt. Hope bridge was built in 1923, and it's still in service. Some of the major NY bridges are older. I'm surprised engineers have kept them up for so long. THAT shows some pretty good maint. on their part. Where we really fail is in the smaller bridges that only a few hundred or thousand people use per day. No one fights hard for those.
 
2013-05-27 11:16:51 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: LeoffDaGrate: AverageAmericanGuy: Bridge safety is a concern for all of us. Shame on the libs for turning this into another political fight.

The link goes to a non-political story, the submitter turns it into an attack on liberals, and you are shaming liberals for turning it into a political fight?  huh?

Because of comments like this pointing the finger of blame at the Republicans:

largedon: FTFA: "In his State of the Union address this year, President Obama urged repairs of "the nearly 70,000 structurally deficient bridges across the country." He proposed a plan called "Fix it First," which would have invested $50 billion in repairing transportation infrastructure, starting with the most urgent repairs. Instead, Congress failed to avoid the sequester and transportation repair spending faces a $1.9 billion cut."

And that is all you really need to know.
/Yeah partisanship, party before country.

It's all libs seems to be good at these days.


Just had a chance to return to this thread and was preparing to respond to this.  Thankfully I see that it has already been handled.
Never let facts stand in the way of spewing bullshiat.
 
2013-05-27 11:17:25 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Interstate bridge replacements are generally mostly or fully federally fundily.


That's true, but I think the state has to operate and maintain the bridge. Currently there is an argument in my state about paying for the upkeep of a bridge that the federal govt. paid for (mostly). They transferred ownership to RIBTA and now they are going to start charging tolls ($0.75) each way for residents. Hardly a hardship. Yet, they are screaming bloody murder. I think the govt spent most of the $164,000,000 to build the new bridge. Yet we want to biatch about maint. costs? That's how the last bridge fell down (or looks like it is about to) in just 50 years. Good times.
 
2013-05-27 11:21:13 AM  

NewportBarGuy: That's true, but I think the state has to operate and maintain the bridge. Currently there is an argument in my state about paying for the upkeep of a bridge that the federal govt. paid for (mostly). They transferred ownership to RIBTA and now they are going to start charging tolls ($0.75) each way for residents. Hardly a hardship. Yet, they are screaming bloody murder. I think the govt spent most of the $164,000,000 to build the new bridge. Yet we want to biatch about maint. costs? That's how the last bridge fell down (or looks like it is about to) in just 50 years. Good times.


Yeah, typical short term budgeting.  Damn idiots only care about *this* years budget.

And hell, a lot of times major maintenance projects are federally funded too (on Interstate roads) and even a lot of state/county.   Seen a LOT of steel painting and new abutment seat projects out for bid that were federally funded.

Also a huge number of local road/county bridges that were replaced with federal money.
 
2013-05-27 11:32:20 AM  

TalenLee: How the fark is infrastructure a partisan issue?


because people prefere "blame" to "solutions"
 
2013-05-27 11:34:54 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Speaking as someone who ran multi-million dollar DOT bridge jobs for 10 years, I'm getting a kick out of etc etc.

Keep in mind three statisticals:
Interstate bridge replacements are generally mostly or fully federally fundily.
Blue states get less federal funds then red states, as red states are all TAKERS.
New Venture Brothers Tuesday!


Adult Swim moved the premiere date to June 2, unless you're lucky enough to live near one of the few places that will be showing the premiere in a theater ( http://video.adultswim.com/the-venture-bros/ ), in which case I'm jealous.

/Go Team Venture!
 
2013-05-27 11:40:30 AM  

Lochsteppe: Adult Swim moved the premiere date to June 2, unless you're lucky enough to live near one of the few places that will be showing the premiere in a theater ( http://video.adultswim.com/the-venture-bros/ ), in which case I'm jealous.


http://drafthouse.com/movies/the_venture_bros._season_five_premiere/ ho uston

They serve good food and have several dozen beers on tap.

And there's going to be swag given away.  SWAG.
 
2013-05-27 11:56:34 AM  
Things I learned today: OK and SC are blue states.

Mrbogey: TalenLee: How the fark is infrastructure a partisan issue?

Because one side isn't keen on spending lots of money and the other side isn't keen on being honest about their desire to spend lots of money with disregard to its use.

Essentially it's either turn every project into the Big Dig or not do anything.

Oh, and one side also likes to "...but Jesus" every issue when you disagree with them. You can't simply disagree. If you disagree it's because you don't care about people dying in infrastructure collapses because Jesus will take care of everything.


Poor baby...here's a blankie for your tears

www.kaboodle.com

I was correct in assuming blue is the right color, right?
 
2013-05-27 11:58:10 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: AverageAmericanGuy: Bridge safety is a concern for all of us. Shame on the libs for turning this into another political fight.

The link goes to a non-political story, the submitter turns it into an attack on liberals, and you are shaming liberals for turning it into a political fight?  huh?


The explanation is simple, Leoff:

blogs.e-rockford.com
 
2013-05-27 12:08:32 PM  
Well there was that bridge that fell down in Missouri

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/25/us/missouri-train-collision/index.html

/It did have the assist of a train, so ban trains then what......
 
2013-05-27 12:13:02 PM  
 
2013-05-27 12:15:23 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: LeoffDaGrate: AverageAmericanGuy: It's all libs seems to be good at these days.

First off, you seem to be doing a lot of politicizing of the subject yourself, so please don't pretend it's all liberals.

Second, give it time.  There are only 10 comments as of this reply.  I'm sure there will be plenty of conservatives who will be able to disprove your notion that only libs can politicize the bridge failures.

I'm sure that there will be conservatives in here defending themselves. But remember that libs are offensive.


You poor delicate flower, you.
 
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