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(24/7 Wall Street)   Top 10 brands expected to die this year. Sorry, Nook and WNBA fans, you backed a loser   (247wallst.com) divider line 82
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2013-05-27 07:33:19 AM  
Nook would be no surprise. In fact, I think it would be best if the Nook owners just put Android on their Nook and be done with it. What is that universal project that is porting Android Ice Cream Sandwhich to devices that normally wouldnt again?
 
2013-05-27 07:49:20 AM  
I'm not surprised Olympus is on there, what with their recently announced partnership with Japanese organized crime.

And I'm sad to see Volvo go. The last few years have seen a surge in design ideas that really made me take a second look when buying a new car. Too bad it's a Chinese company now, and I just can't take that kind of safety risk.
 
2013-05-27 07:55:02 AM  
I'm not surprised about the Nook.  My grandparents bought me one and it's practically a paperweight.  The pre installed OS is a joke, and the online B&N store is a complete clusterfark.  Every single time they update the OS they add a new edition of the book to the store to be compatible.  They don't delete older editions so that older versions can still purchase them.  But they don't label which book is which version, and so simply searching for a single book title can bring up hundreds of the same book, but each is intended for a different edition of the Nook software without anyway of searching for the version that is compatible with your Nook.

It can't even read PDF files properly.  Which, as a knitter, is extremely inconvenient.
 
2013-05-27 08:05:37 AM  
Volvo is a good company if you are seeking a semi. Or is that a different company?
 
2013-05-27 08:14:47 AM  
Road and Track can stay alive as long as Weathertech floor mats buys it's typical 6 page ad space.
 
2013-05-27 08:16:26 AM  
If a cared just a little bit more (just a bit), I would go back and validate these annual predictions.  Seems to me that we see these same articles each year and they're usually not accurate. Lots of dire predictions, but no funerals.
 
2013-05-27 08:17:59 AM  
One of the ironies of the WNBA was that there was another women's basketball League, the ABL that was founded around the same time  (midd 1990's) and had better players. Women's basketball would have been better off if the ABL had flourished and the WNBA had never existed.
 
2013-05-27 08:29:24 AM  

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: I'm not surprised about the Nook.  My grandparents bought me one and it's practically a paperweight.  The pre installed OS is a joke, and the online B&N store is a complete clusterfark.  Every single time they update the OS they add a new edition of the book to the store to be compatible.  They don't delete older editions so that older versions can still purchase them.  But they don't label which book is which version, and so simply searching for a single book title can bring up hundreds of the same book, but each is intended for a different edition of the Nook software without anyway of searching for the version that is compatible with your Nook.

It can't even read PDF files properly.  Which, as a knitter, is extremely inconvenient.


That is not at all my experience and I will be very very sad if it dies.  I have a nook color, I've had it for a couple years now and it has done what I wanted it to for that time.  I do agree that the store sucks donkey balls but I've never had a problem finding a specific book if I knew the title (or author).  I hate their store because it is a pain in the ass to just browse it.  I'm really not sure what you mean about older editions of the same book though.  The books are in a specific format (.epub), that format hasn't changed, and any device that can read .epub should be able to read any .epub.  That's what a standard MEANS.  I cannot imagine a way they could have multiple .epub versions of the same file that wouldn't be readable by an .epub reader.

I've very seldom used it as an  .pdf reader, though the couple times I did I didn't have an issue.  (.pdf as a format just sucks and I hate it.)
 
2013-05-27 08:31:00 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Volvo is a good company if you are seeking a semi. Or is that a different company?


The trucks are still made by the original Volvo - they shed the car business, but the trucks, buses, and heavy equipment are still profitable.
 
2013-05-27 08:32:50 AM  
Here's my feeling about the WNBA going away: my Facebook feed is going to get super annoying.  I'm guessing a lot of my feminist friends are going to rage about how sports are a male-dominated construct, and men can't stand to see strong women, and so on.  The problem is that virtually all of those people have never even watched a WNBA game and couldn't guess the name of the nearest team to their location without Google.

I'm as feminist as the next guy, but you've got to recognize the difference between a product failing 1) because the product is terrible or 2) because of some broad sexist conspiracy.
 
2013-05-27 08:36:28 AM  

Fubegra: Mid_mo_mad_man: Volvo is a good company if you are seeking a semi. Or is that a different company?

The trucks are still made by the original Volvo - they shed the car business, but the trucks, buses, and heavy equipment are still profitable.




I guess it's like Suzuki and thier quads dirtbikes etc
 
2013-05-27 08:37:31 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Here's my feeling about the WNBA going away: my Facebook feed is going to get super annoying.  I'm guessing a lot of my feminist friends are going to rage about how sports are a male-dominated construct, and men can't stand to see strong women, and so on.  The problem is that virtually all of those people have never even watched a WNBA game and couldn't guess the name of the nearest team to their location without Google.

I'm as feminist as the next guy, but you've got to recognize the difference between a product failing 1) because the product is terrible or 2) because of some

broad sexist conspiracy.

That's not funny.
 
2013-05-27 08:39:44 AM  

Bolo Jungle: If a cared just a little bit more (just a bit), I would go back and validate these annual predictions.  Seems to me that we see these same articles each year and they're usually not accurate. Lots of dire predictions, but no funerals.


I know for sure that JC Penney was on the list to go last year, as was Best Buy.
 
2013-05-27 08:50:33 AM  

cman: Nook would be no surprise. In fact, I think it would be best if the Nook owners just put Android on their Nook and be done with it. What is that universal project that is porting Android Ice Cream Sandwhich to devices that normally wouldnt again?


I put android on my nook color

In fact, I bought it specifically to put cyanogen on it

I had no intention of ever using it as a book reader since I already had a kindle. But uh, thanks for the super cheap, but decent, tablet.
 
2013-05-27 09:10:48 AM  

Bolo Jungle: If a cared just a little bit more (just a bit), I would go back and validate these annual predictions.  Seems to me that we see these same articles each year and they're usually not accurate. Lots of dire predictions, but no funerals.


10 Brands that will disappear in 2013 (last year's list)

10. Avon
9. MetroPCS
8. Oakland Raiders
7. salon.com
6. Suzuki
5. Pacific Sunwear
4. Research In Motion
3. Current TV
2. Talbots
1. American Airlines

10 brands that will disappear in 2012 (2 year ago list)

10. Sony Pictures
9. A&W
8. Saab
7. American Apparel
6. Sears
5. Sony Ericsson
4. Kellogg's Corn Pops
3. Myspace
2. Soap Opera Digest
1. Nokia

10 Brands that will disappear in 2011

10. Reader's Digest
9. Blockbuster
8. Dollar Thrifty Automotive Group
7. T-mobile
6. Moody's
5. BP p.l.c
4. Radioshack
3. Zale Corp
2. Merrill Lynch
1. Kia Motors Corporation

10 Brands that will disappear in 2010

10. Newsweek
9. Motorola
8. Palm
7. Boarders
6. Blockbuster
5. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
4. Ambac
3. Eastman Kodak
2. Sun Microsystems
1. E*Trade
 
2013-05-27 09:16:46 AM  
Party on, Carth!   Thanks for doing that
 
2013-05-27 09:24:38 AM  

Carth: Bolo Jungle: If a cared just a little bit more (just a bit), I would go back and validate these annual predictions.  Seems to me that we see these same articles each year and they're usually not accurate. Lots of dire predictions, but no funerals.

10 Brands that will disappear in 2013 (last year's list)

10. Avon
9. MetroPCS
8. Oakland Raiders
7. salon.com
6. Suzuki
5. Pacific Sunwear
4. Research In Motion
3. Current TV
2. Talbots
1. American Airlines

10 brands that will disappear in 2012 (2 year ago list)

10. Sony Pictures
9. A&W
8. Saab
7. American Apparel
6. Sears
5. Sony Ericsson
4. Kellogg's Corn Pops
3. Myspace
2. Soap Opera Digest
1. Nokia

10 Brands that will disappear in 2011

10. Reader's Digest
9. Blockbuster
8. Dollar Thrifty Automotive Group
7. T-mobile
6. Moody's
5. BP p.l.c
4. Radioshack
3. Zale Corp
2. Merrill Lynch
1. Kia Motors Corporation

10 Brands that will disappear in 2010

10. Newsweek
9. Motorola
8. Palm
7. Boarders
6. Blockbuster
5. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
4. Ambac
3. Eastman Kodak
2. Sun Microsystems
1. E*Trade


so the lesson here is these people haven't got a farking clue what they are talking about.
 
2013-05-27 09:26:56 AM  
Good jorb Carth!See you in 2014 (we hope).
 
2013-05-27 09:33:35 AM  
Top 10 brands expected to die this year. Sorry, Nook and WNBA fans fan, you backed a loser.
FTFY
 
2013-05-27 09:40:10 AM  
What's a WNBA?
 
2013-05-27 09:56:39 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Here's my feeling about the WNBA going away: my Facebook feed is going to get super annoying.  I'm guessing a lot of my feminist friends are going to rage about how sports are a male-dominated construct, and men can't stand to see strong women, and so on.  The problem is that virtually all of those people have never even watched a WNBA game and couldn't guess the name of the nearest team to their location without Google.


There's your problem.  The same attitude exists with females getting into STEM fields.  They biatch and complain about lack of females in engineering fields, yet they major in bullshiat like "gender studies."  There isn't a grand conspiracy.  It's about life choices and interests.

I'm as feminist as the next guy, but you've got to recognize the difference between a product failing 1) because the product is terrible or 2) because of some broad sexist conspiracy.

Speak for yourself.
 
2013-05-27 10:07:31 AM  
If you do look back at the old lists, a number of the companies are gone based on the methodology. This includes Metro PCS, Readers Digest, Newsweek, Sun, Eastman Kodak, Blockbuster, Suzuki, Borders, Dollar Thrifty, Saab, Sony Ericsson, and MySpace
 
2013-05-27 10:13:33 AM  

247wallst: If you do look back at the old lists, a number of the companies are gone based on the methodology. This includes Metro PCS, Readers Digest, Newsweek, Sun, Eastman Kodak, Blockbuster, Suzuki, Borders, Dollar Thrifty, Saab, Sony Ericsson, and MySpace


You also went out of your way to pick big name brands which people had heard of and are less likely to go out of business. Overall I think you did a  pretty good job on the predictions and hope you don't mind that I typed out/linked to past years for the discussion.
 
2013-05-27 10:31:20 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Here's my feeling about the WNBA going away: my Facebook feed is going to get super annoying.  I'm guessing a lot of my feminist friends are going to rage about how sports are a male-dominated construct, and men can't stand to see strong women, and so on.  The problem is that virtually all of those people have never even watched a WNBA game and couldn't guess the name of the nearest team to their location without Google.

I'm as feminist as the next guy, but you've got to recognize the difference between a product failing 1) because the product is terrible or 2) because of some broad sexist conspiracy.


I remember I was walking in downtown Minneapolis a few years ago and they were giving away free tickets to the lynx. I passed because women's basketball to me is boring.
/ sorry
 
2013-05-27 10:41:25 AM  

cman: Nook would be no surprise. In fact, I think it would be best if the Nook owners just put Android on their Nook and be done with it. What is that universal project that is porting Android Ice Cream Sandwhich to devices that normally wouldnt again?


thing is, the nook e-book hardware is pretty damned good. they just farked it all up chasing the tablet market. and FYI, you actually can get the full-blown google ecosystem on your nook tablets now.
 
2013-05-27 10:58:39 AM  
Just picked up a couple of nook hd+ tablets during the mother's day sale.

Since Barnes and Noble put the Google market on them they are by far the best android tablets in their price range.
 
2013-05-27 11:01:29 AM  
They claim that the WNBA will die because of Stern retiring, but, does a commish really have that much power now a days?  Isn't a commish basically and extension of the owners?   If the owners didn't feel like it was worth keeping the WNBA afloat already, it would be gone.   Or, is Stern that good of a salesman?
 
2013-05-27 11:14:52 AM  
We have a couple Nooks around the house, and while I prefer the Sony readers, they are perfectly adequate for casual reading. And who uses the factory software? Just use Calibre and you'll have no issues. The hardware is fine, it's just this stupid idea of subsidizing the gadget and hoping you'll make money from your proprietary store/content that's the real problem (unless you're Amazon). All these other resellers need to face the facts that right now Amazon has won the content war and they will need to create a better reader than the Kindle to even steal a small portion of the hardware market.
 
2013-05-27 11:35:42 AM  
Hmm... a few of those brands I still use.

Nook- Yeah, I can see it dying. If my first gen 3G Nook crapped out I'm not sure I'd buy another. With an iPad I can just download the app and keep reading everything I had. Most of the stuff I want to read is now coming out via Amazon anyway.

Olympus- Pity it isn't doing better. I have a little Olympus I quite like. But I can hardly say that my needs can't be served just as well by other makers.

Road & Track- I've subscribed for probably over twenty years now. While the mag has definitely been trying to cut corners to save money they still have great writing (Peter Egan could write legal disclaimers and have them be entertaining) and fantastic photography. The recent issue on the 911 was just a masterpiece of automotive journalism. While the magazine isn't healthy I'm not so sure it is on the chopping block. I could see it go online only. As long as it still exists I'll keep getting it.
 
2013-05-27 11:37:01 AM  

dletter: They claim that the WNBA will die because of Stern retiring, but, does a commish really have that much power now a days?  Isn't a commish basically and extension of the owners?   If the owners didn't feel like it was worth keeping the WNBA afloat already, it would be gone.   Or, is Stern that good of a salesman?


My guess is that the WNBA won't be cut the instant Stern retires.  Rather, in say, 2016, the owners will be going through the books, and be looking to cut investments operating at a loss, and Stern won't be around to remind them why they subsidized the WNBA in the first place.

Even if the NBA divests itself of the WNBA, this doesn't necessarily mean the end of professional women's basketball in the U.S.  It just means that someone other than the NBA will be running it, which may not be a bad thing.  For instance, the talking heads on ESPN were very critical of the job the NBA was doing.  For what that's worth.

Of course, even if the WNBA operates at a loss from here to eternity, the NBA owners may just like having it around for tax purposes.
 
2013-05-27 12:11:00 PM  
I don't follow basketball at all, but I never even knew of the existence of the WNBA.  Wow.
 
2013-05-27 12:13:19 PM  

Carth: Bolo Jungle: If a cared just a little bit more (just a bit), I would go back and validate these annual predictions.  Seems to me that we see these same articles each year and they're usually not accurate. Lots of dire predictions, but no funerals.

10 Brands that will disappear in 2013 (last year's list)

10. Avon
9. MetroPCS
8. Oakland Raiders
7. salon.com
6. Suzuki
5. Pacific Sunwear
4. Research In Motion
3. Current TV
2. Talbots
1. American Airlines

10 brands that will disappear in 2012 (2 year ago list)

10. Sony Pictures
9. A&W
8. Saab
7. American Apparel
6. Sears
5. Sony Ericsson
4. Kellogg's Corn Pops
3. Myspace
2. Soap Opera Digest
1. Nokia

10 Brands that will disappear in 2011

10. Reader's Digest
9. Blockbuster
8. Dollar Thrifty Automotive Group
7. T-mobile
6. Moody's
5. BP p.l.c
4. Radioshack
3. Zale Corp
2. Merrill Lynch
1. Kia Motors Corporation

10 Brands that will disappear in 2010

10. Newsweek
9. Motorola
8. Palm
7. Boarders
6. Blockbuster
5. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
4. Ambac
3. Eastman Kodak
2. Sun Microsystems
1. E*Trade


Munches on A&W Papa Burger in an amused fashion
 
2013-05-27 12:16:31 PM  

dletter: They claim that the WNBA will die because of Stern retiring, but, does a commish really have that much power now a days?  Isn't a commish basically and extension of the owners?   If the owners didn't feel like it was worth keeping the WNBA afloat already, it would be gone.   Or, is Stern that good of a salesman?


What you're missing is that *everyone* involved in the slightest with the NBA - players, owners, cities, reporters, bloggers, ESPN, etc - is afraid of Stern. He is, by far, the most powerful (and perhaps most vindictive) commissioner in the major (and probably several minor) sports. What he says and what he wants becomes law, no questions asked. The WNBA is his child, and is the only reason it hasn't fully imploded yet. Someone upthread mentioned the ABL, which was indeed the better league, but since Stern didn't create it, he wasn't going to work with it, and instead threw all of the NBA marketing money behind the WNBA.
 
2013-05-27 12:23:58 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Here's my feeling about the WNBA going away: my Facebook feed is going to get super annoying.  I'm guessing a lot of my feminist friends are going to rage about how sports are a male-dominated construct, and men can't stand to see strong women, and so on.  The problem is that virtually all of those people have never even watched a WNBA game and couldn't guess the name of the nearest team to their location without Google.

I'm as feminist as the next guy, but you've got to recognize the difference between a product failing 1) because the product is terrible or 2) because of some broad sexist conspiracy.


But that's exactly why the WNBA won't die. The NBA will continue to support it and keep it alive. There would be too much backlash if there was no pro women's league, and it can't cost that much salary-wise.
 
2013-05-27 12:49:39 PM  
biggest news I got out of this article (that I didn't know about) was Dish making a play for Sprint (and Softbank has granted Sprint a waiver from their own merger agreement to explore Dish's offer).

That.. (Dish + Sprint) just seems like a monumentally bad idea to me, but I can't put into words exactly why.. gut feeling.
 
2013-05-27 01:00:04 PM  
This includes Metro PCS, Readers Digest, Newsweek, Sun, Eastman Kodak, Blockbuster, Suzuki, Borders, Dollar Thrifty, Saab, Sony Ericsson, and MySpace

I'm typing this on my SunRay 3 at work...so I certainly hope they didn't go out of business.
 
2013-05-27 01:01:14 PM  
Being 6'5" tall I have a vested interest in seeing JCP stay in business. If their Foundry stores close all I'll have left is Casual Male, which is Kmart clothing at Macy's prices.
 
2013-05-27 01:15:33 PM  

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: I'm not surprised about the Nook.  My grandparents bought me one and it's practically a paperweight.  The pre installed OS is a joke, and the online B&N store is a complete clusterfark.  Every single time they update the OS they add a new edition of the book to the store to be compatible.  They don't delete older editions so that older versions can still purchase them.  But they don't label which book is which version, and so simply searching for a single book title can bring up hundreds of the same book, but each is intended for a different edition of the Nook software without anyway of searching for the version that is compatible with your Nook.

It can't even read PDF files properly.  Which, as a knitter, is extremely inconvenient.


Weird.  Love my Nook and my Nook Color.  Have absolutely no problems with them and they read everything, including PDF, quite well.  Not sure what's up with your stuff.
 
2013-05-27 01:18:55 PM  

Kimpak: This includes Metro PCS, Readers Digest, Newsweek, Sun, Eastman Kodak, Blockbuster, Suzuki, Borders, Dollar Thrifty, Saab, Sony Ericsson, and MySpace

I'm typing this on my SunRay 3 at work...so I certainly hope they didn't go out of business.




I am surprised Radio Shack hasn't appeared on that list since 1982.
 
2013-05-27 01:26:48 PM  
All you Nook Color and Tablet owners:  since your warranty is done anyway at this point, get thee to www.androidfornook.com , buy a Recovery Plus SD card for your model for $20 (or $25 if you want both CyanogenMod 7 and Jelly Bean) - or $10 if you already have the right micro SD card and just want to download it - make your Nook a real Android tablet, and never look back.  The Recovery Plus cards zap the innards of the Nook so you don't have to boot with the card in, or plugged into the wall, or anything else goofy.  You can even go back to the stock Nook O/S if you want to.  The Nook hardware was pretty decent for the price.
 
2013-05-27 01:30:20 PM  

HempHead: I am surprised Radio Shack hasn't appeared on that list since 1982.


I buy a lot of parts at RadiShack.  I'm glad they don't go out of business but it also surprises me that they don't.  There can't be that many people who buy small electronics parts.
 
2013-05-27 01:37:27 PM  

Kimpak: HempHead: I am surprised Radio Shack hasn't appeared on that list since 1982.

I buy a lot of parts at RadiShack.  I'm glad they don't go out of business but it also surprises me that they don't.  There can't be that many people who buy small electronics parts.


There are still Radio Shacks that sell diodes and such? All the ones near me may as well be glorified mall cell phone kiosks. I have to go to Frys if I need small components.
 
2013-05-27 01:47:10 PM  

Earguy: Bolo Jungle: If a cared just a little bit more (just a bit), I would go back and validate these annual predictions.  Seems to me that we see these same articles each year and they're usually not accurate. Lots of dire predictions, but no funerals.

I know for sure that JC Penney was on the list to go last year, as was Best Buy.


You're wrong on at least one of those. Maybe both, but you can Google last year's list yourself. In this article they give a recap over the 2013 article, and mention nine of the brands:

Looking back on last year's calls list, we have had some winners, and some bad calls. Suzuki, MetroPCS and Current TV are all gone in the United States. American Airlines is part of a new company through its combination with U.S. Airways, though the American Airlines name lives on. Talbots was acquired by a private equity firm less than two months after we called it. Research In Motion is no longer a brand, having been renamed BlackBerry. We bungled our predictions regarding Avon, the Oakland Raiders and Salon.
 
2013-05-27 01:47:57 PM  

The Bestest: Kimpak: HempHead: I am surprised Radio Shack hasn't appeared on that list since 1982.

I buy a lot of parts at RadiShack.  I'm glad they don't go out of business but it also surprises me that they don't.  There can't be that many people who buy small electronics parts.

There are still Radio Shacks that sell diodes and such? All the ones near me may as well be glorified mall cell phone kiosks. I have to go to Frys if I need small components.


Yup, there are a couple I go to around here (Des Moines).  They have a couple isles with individual components.  Sometimes you have to hunt them down since they're on a wall with drawers separating everything.
 
2013-05-27 01:53:51 PM  

skrame: Earguy: Bolo Jungle: If a cared just a little bit more (just a bit), I would go back and validate these annual predictions.  Seems to me that we see these same articles each year and they're usually not accurate. Lots of dire predictions, but no funerals.

I know for sure that JC Penney was on the list to go last year, as was Best Buy.

You're wrong on at least one of those. Maybe both, but you can Google last year's list yourself. In this article they give a recap over the 2013 article, and mention nine of the brands:

Looking back on last year's calls list, we have had some winners, and some bad calls. Suzuki, MetroPCS and Current TV are all gone in the United States. American Airlines is part of a new company through its combination with U.S. Airways, though the American Airlines name lives on. Talbots was acquired by a private equity firm less than two months after we called it. Research In Motion is no longer a brand, having been renamed BlackBerry. We bungled our predictions regarding Avon, the Oakland Raiders and Salon.


Next time I'll keep reading the thread, since Carth did the work anyway.
 
2013-05-27 02:00:30 PM  
WNBA

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2013-05-27 02:01:40 PM  

cman: I think it would be best if the Nook owners just put Android on their Nook and be done with it.


I'm happy with my Nook, but that's exactly what I did with it.
Then I installed the Kindle reader and bought a bunch of books off Amazon.
 
2013-05-27 02:22:04 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: What's a WNBA?


World Net Bifurcated Amalgamations
 
2013-05-27 02:29:27 PM  
Uh oh, it's that thread again where people contribute their gadget CSBs as indicators of corporate success or failure.
 
2013-05-27 02:44:49 PM  

Christian Bale: But that's exactly why the WNBA won't die. The NBA will continue to support it and keep it alive. There would be too much backlash if there was no pro women's league, and it can't cost that much salary-wise.


You mean the majority of NBA owners who already feel like they're hemorrhaging cash want to keep the stone around their necks that is the WNBA franchise they're responsible for?  Sure they do.

/However Elena Donna Delle not being in the country is a kick in the shorts to those of us who the tall women.
 
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