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(Time)   Ten bridges in America that are ready to kill you at any minute   (nation.time.com) divider line 31
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2013-05-27 04:33:09 AM
12 votes:
Found this randomly on the web.  Seems like it belongs here:

Under Eisenhower, top bracket taxes were 77%...they fell to 70% under Kennedy, Nixon, & Carter...
Reagan dropped them to 28%, then realized he didn't have enough money coming in, even after raising taxes on the middle-class and borrowing a ton of money, so he raised them slightly.

Clinton raised them slightly more, to 39%, but he also signed the WTO trade agreements that destroyed our tariffs and allowed our industry to move to slave-wage & pollution-friendly shores, and although we saw a period without a deficit, the damage done by the WTO agreements would build slowly, devastating our revenue even more.

Bush then lowered the top bracket taxes to 33% while he borrowed an insane amount of money starting two wars.

Obama allowed the Bush tax cuts to expire, and they went up to around 40%, but neither the Republicans nor Democrats have done anything about our lost industry (& the corresponding lost revenue), because the people that own our so-called "representatives" through PAC money have ordered them not to.

Our infrastructure was built at a time when the top tax rate was 77%, and we protected our industrial base & domestic jobs with tariffs.

NOW, with all of that lost, how do you suppose we can maintain that infrastructure? We are already borrowing money like crazy, and have been since Reagan, and the more we borrow, the more inflated our money becomes, & the less our money is worth.

You CANNOT have your cake and eat it to. If you want an infrastructure that is not falling down, you have to pay for it.

And for all those of you mumbling "muh cuts..."
We have already cut to the point where any more cuts would not save you that much money, anyway...I know, the propagandists have been presenting it as though we could make up the difference by eliminating the rest of welfare and foreign aid, but these are really very small beer compared to what we need to spend to remain a world power...they wouldn't touch the shortfall.

Want to save the country? then undo everything that led to this condition. Force our industries back home with tariffs, raise the top tier taxes back to 70%, end all the corporate subsidies and corporate tax loopholes...

Then we might be able to afford to keep your bridges from collapsing from underneath you.
2013-05-27 01:04:45 AM
6 votes:
I'm surprised the list doesn't include the Tappan Zee - that bridge was anchored in the riverbed mud with wooden support anchors made out of untreated wood. And the wooden anchors have been rotting to a degree that pieces of it has been floating to the surface for years.

That bridge is a catastrophic disaster waiting to happen.
2013-05-27 02:15:07 PM
2 votes:

hasty ambush: chuggernaught: Want to save the country? then undo everything that led to this condition. Force our industries back home with tariffs, raise the top tier taxes back to 70%, end all the corporate subsidies and corporate tax loopholes...

Then we might be able to afford to keep your bridges from collapsing from underneath you.

Disregarding your historical ignorance of the tax code and the fact that nobody really paid 70% (there were a lot more loop holes and shelters back then -up through the 1980s) the fact is government does not need more of our or anybody else's money. It already takes in plenty but it wastes it.

Look at the Stimulus spending . What little that did actually go for infrastructure went to a lot of stupid "infrastructure" . This is just a few of those stupid projects:

$424,000 to install electric battery charges at TR Auto Truck Plaza (truck stop), which is now bankrupt. A review of public records shows evidence that the owner's past and present finances were rocky.

$2,096,000 to Greenbrier Valley Airport, where only 2 commercial flights come in daily with an average of 6 passengers and the local hotel costs $500 a night, to spruce up the terminal building.

$9.38 million to renovate a century-old train depot that hasn't been used in 30 yrs

$1 million to replace 100 bike lockers and a bike garage

$800,000 to John Murtha Airport to repave runway - the airport serves 20 passengers daily

$11 million for Microsoft to build a bridge connecting its two headquarter campuses in Washington state

$1.15 million for a guardrail around a persistently dry lake bed

$89,298 to replace a quarter-mile stretch of sidewalk that was replaced 5 yrs ago

$54 million to elevate and relocate 3,000 ft of track for the Napa Valley Wine Train

3.5 million to repaint and add a security camera to one bridge

$5 million to a Missouri bridge project that was already fully funded

$7,470,191 for a bridge over train tracks in Nebraska so 168 residents didn't have to wai ...



Strange, sounds like the American version of capitalism to me.
2013-05-27 01:34:30 AM
2 votes:
Fun fact: The Tappan Zee is built at the widest point of the Hudson river because it's just outside of the Port Authority control zone. The New York State can get all of the toll money, instead of sharing it with the Port Authority.
2013-05-27 12:47:35 AM
2 votes:
But I thought that the reason that bridge collapsed was an ASSHOLE tried to cross while exceeding the height limit.

Not certain that it was the bridge's fault that it collapsed.

/Clearly the WTC towers were ready to kill you at any moment ... if a plane or two hit them
2013-05-27 12:31:27 AM
2 votes:
List is missing every bridge in PA that goes OVER the turnpikes.
2013-05-27 06:03:18 PM
1 votes:

orbister: chuggernaught: Want to save the country? then undo everything that led to this condition. Force our industries back home with tariffs, raise the top tier taxes back to 70%, end all the corporate subsidies and corporate tax loopholes...

How many bridges could you have built for the cost of a couple of futile wars in, say, Iraq and Afghanistan?


That's a very good question, and one I can probably answer for you. I'm a highway design engineer with nearly 29 years of experience in designing projects, and a majority of those projects have been bridge replacement projects.

I'd say offhand that a typical rural two lane bridge can be replaced for about a million dollars, which would include the bridge removal, new bridge, approach work, guardrail, etc. Interstate bridges probably cost about $2 million each, since they are wider and usually higher than a rural structure (which makes them longer). Now, just how many TRILLIONS of dollars did we spend in Afghanistan/Iraq?

As for the article, it's once again aimed at the low information, easily scared reader. Not one of those bridges is going to collapse tomorrow, or the next day, or even next month. Yes they all are at the point where maintenance costs are very high compared to the usual bridge maintenance costs, but as long as they are maintained they won't collapse. The sufficiency rating (SR) is a number used to tell the state when it's time to replace a bridge. A shiny brand new bridge has a SR of 100. That number drops by 2 points every year even without deterioration or because it was designed under old standards. A 30 year old bridge, for example, would have a maximum SR score of 40 if it was in tiptop shape. The bridge maintenance guys can raise the SR some or hold it steady with remedial supports and redecking, but there's only so much that can be done for a very old bridge.

Don't worry about a bridge with a low SR score. Start worrying when the state lowers the maximum allowed weight limit and puts up a sign saying "max xx tons" where xx is a number lower than 40. I've seen signs saying "Max 2 Tons" on a metal truss bridge that was built back in 1924; it swayed when I walked across it, not to mention when a car drove over it. It had a SR of 2 because it was inspected constantly and had been reinforced underneath, but the weight limit sign is more important than the SR rating. The Bonner Bridge taking vehicles out to the Outer Banks in NC has a SR of 4 but that didn't stop tens of thousands of people driving across it this weekend.
2013-05-27 05:22:33 PM
1 votes:
hasty ambush: [Misleading stuff]

Yeah, you see that libs?! LET IT ALL BURN!
2013-05-27 03:57:05 PM
1 votes:

hasty ambush: $54 million to elevate and relocate 3,000 ft of track for the Napa Valley Wine Train


Also has 55,000 aircraft operations a day, and the runway is shared by the PA Army National Guard, Air National Guard and the Marines.

hasty ambush: $54 million to elevate and relocate 3,000 ft of track for the Napa Valley Wine Train


Which was actually to help with a flood plan for the river it passed over, not for the benefit of the train.

hasty ambush: $11 million for Microsoft to build a bridge connecting its two headquarter campuses in Washington state


It was a WSDOT project to build a public roadway (NE 36th St in Redmond, if anyone's curious) over a state highway that serves a lot more than just the two Microsoft campuses, and that Microsoft contributed half the project cost to.

Why would you make things up that can be so easily fact checked?  At least most of that list is so vague I can't prove you just made it up, but some of these are really easy to look up.
2013-05-27 03:47:32 PM
1 votes:

hasty ambush: $2,096,000 to Greenbrier Valley Airport, where only 2 commercial flights come in daily with an average of 6 passengers and the local hotel costs $500 a night, to spruce up the terminal building.


Bullshiat.  In 2010 they served 12,293 people in 2010 on commercial flights alone.  They also serve a lot of private/charter type flights, about 22,000 total flight operations per year.
2013-05-27 09:20:37 AM
1 votes:

namatad: coco ebert: namatad: But I thought that the reason that bridge collapsed was an ASSHOLE tried to cross while exceeding the height limit.

Not certain that it was the bridge's fault that it collapsed.

Wasn't it a truck that kept on going? I mean, is that supposed to make us feel better about the state of our bridges?

should you be EXTRA afraid because that one bridge collapsed when RAMMED by a moving truck? FARK NO

unless FUD is your god


The truck stopped immediately after clearing the bridge, as the bridge collapsed immediately after being touched by the load. The driver was forced into the outside lane by another semi in the opposite direction. The load was farther to the outside in that instantance than the pilot car's pole. The damage to the load was minimal, at best, but still took out a whole bridge.

Pointy Tail of Satan: The truck took out multiple cross beams from what I read.


Wrong. The load clipped one truss and the bridge folded in half. The bridge was under such a load that it collapsed immediately after being hit. One of the people pulled out of the water said he saw the load hit, it was that quickly. This bridge was a a deck of cards...It could have folded anytime in it's 60-year history. The state's engineers predicted this many times, but nothing ever got funded. That's called 'good government'

/Since it's Interstate 5, why isn't it the fed's job to fund the fix?
//I'm glad I moved to the ocean
///We'll see if Gov.Inslee can think statewide, or is he stuck in dryside mode?
2013-05-27 08:50:59 AM
1 votes:
Bridge #4/12 I-25 over the south Platte, in Denver, has already been replaced. They are finishing lane realignment and putting up the signs. 

They could have picked any of the 30 other bridges, like the entire elevated portion of I-70 thru Denver, but they picked Havana?
2013-05-27 07:37:18 AM
1 votes:
Might suggest adding the Herbert C. Bonner Bridge on NC-12 over the Oregon Inlet.  Driving over it you always wonder if it will collapse with you on it.

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2013-05-27 07:26:50 AM
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: The origin of the "burly men" thing:

With Senate Democrats complaining that Barack Obama didn't put enough bricks and mortar into his stimulus package, one of Obama's top economists on Sunday said why - to create jobs for women and not just "burly men."

Further detail on the Great Estrowharr of 2009 here.


So that was a thing? I guess I couldn't here it from all the noise of states saying they weren't gonna take that money, weird.
2013-05-27 07:07:06 AM
1 votes:
Isn't it funny how we have enough money, intelligence and dedication to develop the technology to show a picture of every bridge in the US from different angles but we don't have the money to actually fix them?
I'm looking forward to Google providing live pictures of the collapses in a couple of years. But, whatever you do, DO NOT FIX THOSE BRIDGES.
2013-05-27 06:31:51 AM
1 votes:

LordJiro: OgreMagi: Obama had proposed shovel ready jobs to upgrade the nation's crumbling infrastructure.  This was a good thing and long overdue.  Unfortunately, the feminist groups hated the idea because shovel ready jobs meant work for "burly men" (their words).  So Obama gave in to the political pressure and sent most of the money elsewhere.  It didn't matter that this was work that needed to be done.  It didn't matter that 80% of the jobs lost in the recession were "burly man" types of jobs.  Political correctness must be obeyed.

So when a bridge collapses and people die, you can thank NOW.

I was under the impression that woman can do any job a man can do.  So why did they complain about these physical jobs?

[citation needed]


Indeed.
/Not amused
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2013-05-27 06:28:22 AM
1 votes:

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: Obama had proposed shovel ready jobs to upgrade the nation's crumbling infrastructure.  This was a good thing and long overdue.  Unfortunately, the feminist groups hated the idea because shovel ready jobs meant work for "burly men" (their words).  So Obama gave in to the political pressure and sent most of the money elsewhere.  It didn't matter that this was work that needed to be done.  It didn't matter that 80% of the jobs lost in the recession were "burly man" types of jobs.  Political correctness must be obeyed.

So when a bridge collapses and people die, you can thank NOW.

I was under the impression that woman can do any job a man can do.  So why did they complain about these physical jobs?

What? citations please and most road crews I see have women as well as men.


And in fact, implying that ONLY men are capable of doing these jobs seems very..out-of-character for "the feminist groups".
2013-05-27 06:03:43 AM
1 votes:
All in blue states, interestingly enough
2013-05-27 05:36:36 AM
1 votes:
11foot8.com

For more funny bridge pics and videos...
2013-05-27 05:26:31 AM
1 votes:
2013-05-27 05:20:29 AM
1 votes:

OgreMagi: Obama had proposed shovel ready jobs to upgrade the nation's crumbling infrastructure.  This was a good thing and long overdue.  Unfortunately, the feminist groups hated the idea because shovel ready jobs meant work for "burly men" (their words).  So Obama gave in to the political pressure and sent most of the money elsewhere.  It didn't matter that this was work that needed to be done.  It didn't matter that 80% of the jobs lost in the recession were "burly man" types of jobs.  Political correctness must be obeyed.

So when a bridge collapses and people die, you can thank NOW.

I was under the impression that woman can do any job a man can do.  So why did they complain about these physical jobs?


Really? Do you have back up for this?

(Not calling BS... I'd like to read it)
2013-05-27 05:12:00 AM
1 votes:

chuggernaught: Want to save the country? then undo everything that led to this condition. Force our industries back home with tariffs, raise the top tier taxes back to 70%, end all the corporate subsidies and corporate tax loopholes...


How many bridges could you have built for the cost of a couple of futile wars in, say, Iraq and Afghanistan?
2013-05-27 05:11:32 AM
1 votes:

namatad: But I thought that the reason that bridge collapsed was an ASSHOLE tried to cross while exceeding the height limit.

Not certain that it was the bridge's fault that it collapsed.


It's  never the bridges fault; they're just structures being structures.

/no dangerous bridges, just irresponsible owners
2013-05-27 03:20:33 AM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: I'm surprised the list doesn't include the Tappan Zee - that bridge was anchored in the riverbed mud with wooden support anchors made out of untreated wood. And the wooden anchors have been rotting to a degree that pieces of it has been floating to the surface for years.

That bridge is a catastrophic disaster waiting to happen.


As pretty a drive as it is across that bridge, I think I'll avoid it from now on, thank you very much.
2013-05-27 03:12:31 AM
1 votes:
List fails without the San Francisco Bay Bridge, the new Eastern span not even finished yet not the old one they're replacing.
2013-05-27 02:03:45 AM
1 votes:
I'm sure the free market will respond with countless mule-powered ferry rafts, as the Founders intended.
2013-05-27 01:19:03 AM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: I'm surprised the list doesn't include the Tappan Zee - that bridge was anchored in the riverbed mud with wooden support anchors made out of untreated wood. And the wooden anchors have been rotting to a degree that pieces of it has been floating to the surface for years.

That bridge is a catastrophic disaster waiting to happen.


Which is probably why they are building a replacement.
I guess it is a race against time, will it collapse before it is torn down and how many people will die when it does.

And if it collapses, will it wreck the new construction?
2013-05-27 12:55:23 AM
1 votes:

coco ebert: namatad: But I thought that the reason that bridge collapsed was an ASSHOLE tried to cross while exceeding the height limit.

Not certain that it was the bridge's fault that it collapsed.

/Clearly the WTC towers were ready to kill you at any moment ... if a plane or two hit them

Wasn't it a truck that kept on going? I mean, is that supposed to make us feel better about the state of our bridges?


the article's headline conflates FEAR from a reckless driver and FEAR that all our bridges are falling apart.
it is a false something or another and is bullshiat

should you be afraid because our infrastructure is old? meh. it has been old for years, this isnt news and no one is doing anything about it.

should you be EXTRA afraid because that one bridge collapsed when RAMMED by a moving truck? FARK NO

unless FUD is your god
2013-05-27 12:50:35 AM
1 votes:

namatad: But I thought that the reason that bridge collapsed was an ASSHOLE tried to cross while exceeding the height limit.

Not certain that it was the bridge's fault that it collapsed.

/Clearly the WTC towers were ready to kill you at any moment ... if a plane or two hit them


Wasn't it a truck that kept on going? I mean, is that supposed to make us feel better about the state of our bridges?
2013-05-27 12:43:08 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: Don't kid yourself Jimmy. If a bridge ever got the chance, he'd kill you and everyone you care about!


When I grow up I'm going to Overpass University!
2013-05-27 12:22:36 AM
1 votes:
Don't kid yourself Jimmy. If a bridge ever got the chance, he'd kill you and everyone you care about!
 
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