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(CNN)   You know the GOP has gone completely wheels-off when Bob Dole (R-Bob Dole) says they should be "Closed for Repairs", and declares that Saint Reagan would have no place in today's Republican Party, and says it all on Fox News   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ) divider line
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2013-05-27 12:14:38 AM  

OgreMagi: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Well, duh.

When the John Brich Society attempted to take over the GOP in the 80s, the Republicans soundly rejected them as lunatics. Now rebranded as the teabaggers, the GOP leadership has embraced them.

When the Tea Party first emerged with the message of "reduced spending and reduced taxes", I was interested, but knew better than to jump right in and join up.  Sure enough, within a year the derp kicked in as the fundies took over.

How about combining that message with the Occupy message of "big business has too much say in our political process"?  They aren't mutually exclusive.  In fact, they are complimentary.


Every person who supported the Tea Party because they actually believed in any sort of fiscal responsibility as opposed to wanting to steal even more from the working class was, I am sure, involved in Occupy. I am also sure all three of them were solid activists.
 
2013-05-27 12:15:01 AM  

OgreMagi: When the Tea Party first emerged with the message of "reduced spending and reduced taxes", I was interested, but knew better than to jump right in and join up. Sure enough, within a year the derp kicked in as the fundies took over.


I had written them off within a moth, after one of their leaders came out with the "inflation is a tax" line.
 
2013-05-27 12:22:07 AM  

OgreMagi: Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.


I wouldn't call them honest, they wrap it up in bullshiat religious and nativist rhetoric so working class people will vote for them.
 
2013-05-27 12:35:10 AM  

hubiestubert: cptjeff: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.

Well just know you are awesome in my book and hell yea I'd vote for you.

/I never did like the way it always felt back in the day, and still does you like the 2nd amendment vote republican you like having government funded safety nets for the poor ... etc...
Well, back in the day it always seemed they drew issues out of a hat but these days well some people are playing with a limited deck.

Thanks to Fark and TorD back in the day, I fear that my life expectancy as a candidate would be only a few Google searches away from scandal. Though, at least I wasn't married and carrying on with an intern, so maybe I could call it "youthful shenanigans." ;)

Just keep your fark handle in your pants, and any issues that might arise will stay small. If it grows into a scandal, all of fark will be behind you, ready to spear your opponent.

\I'm a bit tipsy.

I do pity da fool that gets in the way of the first Farkistani Mayor or Governor...

Peeps goin' to Photoshop mercilessly...


What I'm running for office.
Seether
/I don't se a problem ;)
 
2013-05-27 12:38:26 AM  

ib_thinkin: OgreMagi: At one time the GOP for smaller government, fiscal responsibility, and minding your own damn business.  These days they don't see a government program they don't like (unless is a democrat idea), they spend like drunken sailors in a whore house, and you better not be having any fun that they don't approve of, and that goes double for those ickey gheys.

But in that other thread, I was just getting comfortable with the idea of not liking you.


Those kind of things happen, reason #1 why it's best not to ignore till you're sure or just farky them and well some of the real trolls say some funny stuff : )
 
2013-05-27 12:43:38 AM  
I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?
 
2013-05-27 12:44:46 AM  

randomjsa: I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?


I really have always wondered: Is the sky blue in your world?
 
2013-05-27 12:46:22 AM  

OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.


Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .
 
2013-05-27 12:49:37 AM  

randomjsa: the far left


[hahaohwow]
 
2013-05-27 12:53:17 AM  
So, "Republican loser says GOP needs 'Positive Vision', not a focus on petty non-issues", then proceeds to make a sophomoric dig on the president's golf game?

Got it, you and your ilk have no place in the grown-up world of democratic governance.
 
2013-05-27 01:01:19 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.

Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .


Democracy is the worst political system of all, except for all the others.  Yes, I know we are a republic, not a democracy, work with me here.

The constant attacks on reproductive rights is one of the reasons I could never join the GOP.
 
2013-05-27 01:08:54 AM  
Despite subby's sarcasm regarding Reagan, Dole is right.  Reagan would have no place in today's GOP.
 
2013-05-27 01:14:54 AM  

randomjsa: I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?


Something tells me you're the type of person who never has, and never will, own a passport.
 
2013-05-27 01:15:22 AM  

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.

Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .

Democracy is the worst political system of all, except for all the others.  Yes, I know we are a republic, not a democracy, work with me here.

The constant attacks on reproductive rights is one of the reasons I could never join the GOP.


True, but if you side with the people that wanna do away with all regulations except for the one that involve the bedroom ,well. Also if you side with the people that want lower or no taxes well.
/ In this day and age you're no a republican if you object to what I said,
 
2013-05-27 01:15:54 AM  

OgreMagi: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Well, duh.

When the John Brich Society attempted to take over the GOP in the 80s, the Republicans soundly rejected them as lunatics. Now rebranded as the teabaggers, the GOP leadership has embraced them.

When the Tea Party first emerged with the message of "reduced spending and reduced taxes", I was interested, but knew better than to jump right in and join up.  Sure enough, within a year the derp kicked in as the fundies took over.

How about combining that message with the Occupy message of "big business has too much say in our political process"?  They aren't mutually exclusive.  In fact, they are complimentary.


That's how big business suckered in all the Teatards. The Tea Party has always been American big businesses' useful idiots.
 
2013-05-27 01:17:20 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.

Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .

Democracy is the worst political system of all, except for all the others.  Yes, I know we are a republic, not a democracy, work with me here.

The constant attacks on reproductive rights is one of the reasons I could never join the GOP.

True, but if you side with the people that wanna do away with all regulations except for the one that involve the bedroom ,well. Also if you side with the people that want lower or no taxes well.
/ In this day and age you're no a republican if you object to what I said,


The republicans want to shrink government small enough to fit into your vagina.
 
2013-05-27 01:31:35 AM  

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.

Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .

Democracy is the worst political system of all, except for all the others.  Yes, I know we are a republic, not a democracy, work with me here.

The constant attacks on reproductive rights is one of the reasons I could never join the GOP.

True, but if you side with the people that wanna do away with all regulations except for the one that involve the bedroom ,well. Also if you side with the people that want lower or no taxes well.
/ In this day and age you're no a republican if you object to what I said,

The republicans want to shrink government small enough to fit into your vagina.


Hmmm. I never heard it put that way I may have to become a republican ; )
/No not really
//Do not want
 
2013-05-27 01:41:54 AM  

OgreMagi: At one time the GOP for smaller government, fiscal responsibility, and minding your own damn business.


When was this? I'm a bit on the downhill side of 50 years old, and I can assure you that the Republican party never fit this description at any point in my lifetime.

Not that I'm personally impressed by the essentially juvenile notions of "smaller government" and "fiscal responsibility," mind you - those expressions are simply code for simple-minded, childlike approaches to government and economics - but they have always been ideals that the Republicans have honored chiefly in the breach. And, as for minding one's own damn business, Republicans on the whole have always been particularly bad at that.
 
2013-05-27 01:46:52 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.

Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .

Democracy is the worst political system of all, except for all the others.  Yes, I know we are a republic, not a democracy, work with me here.

The constant attacks on reproductive rights is one of the reasons I could never join the GOP.

True, but if you side with the people that wanna do away with all regulations except for the one that involve the bedroom ,well. Also if you side with the people that want lower or no taxes well.
/ In this day and age you're no a republican if you object to what I said,

The republicans want to shrink government small enough to fit into your vagina.

Hmmm. I never heard it put that way I may have to become a republican ; )
/No not really
//Do not want


I'd always heard it as "small enough to fit into your bedroom" until the around the time of the transvaginal ultrasound crap, when bedroom changed to vagina.
 
2013-05-27 01:47:14 AM  

OgreMagi: The republicans want to shrink government small enough to fit into your vagina.


They've given up trying to drown it in the bathtub, now they're trying to drown government in your panties.
 
2013-05-27 01:47:59 AM  

BMulligan: OgreMagi: At one time the GOP for smaller government, fiscal responsibility, and minding your own damn business.

When was this? I'm a bit on the downhill side of 50 years old, and I can assure you that the Republican party never fit this description at any point in my lifetime.

Not that I'm personally impressed by the essentially juvenile notions of "smaller government" and "fiscal responsibility," mind you - those expressions are simply code for simple-minded, childlike approaches to government and economics - but they have always been ideals that the Republicans have honored chiefly in the breach. And, as for minding one's own damn business, Republicans on the whole have always been particularly bad at that.


Democrats want to intervene on your behalf to protect your health, your soul is your problem.

Republicans want to intervene on your behalf to protect your soul, your health is your problem.

There is almost no moral, constitutional, or practical schema that supports the GOP approach and it pretty much explicitly violates their purported religious beliefs.
 
2013-05-27 01:56:40 AM  

cptjeff: randomjsa: I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?

I really have always wondered: Is the sky blue in your world?


I don't care what color it is as long as it's fully padded. He types so well with his toes.
 
2013-05-27 01:57:35 AM  

cptjeff: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.

Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .

Democracy is the worst political system of all, except for all the others.  Yes, I know we are a republic, not a democracy, work with me here.

The constant attacks on reproductive rights is one of the reasons I could never join the GOP.

True, but if you side with the people that wanna do away with all regulations except for the one that involve the bedroom ,well. Also if you side with the people that want lower or no taxes well.
/ In this day and age you're no a republican if you object to what I said,

The republicans want to shrink government small enough to fit into your vagina.

Hmmm. I never heard it put that way I may have to become a republican ; )
/No not really
//Do not want

I'd always heard it as "small enough to fit into your bedroom" until the around the time of the transvaginal ultrasound crap, when bedroom changed to vagina.


Well however you say it it's farked up.
 
2013-05-27 02:04:06 AM  

Captain Dan: If anyone reads the article with at least minimal comprehension, you'll see that Bob Dole didn't blame Obama for the gridlock.  He only noted that Obama shared some portion of the blame, without specifying how large a portion.


Your read of his intentions is probably accurate, but the way Dole assigns responsibility to the President is weak, regardless.
 
2013-05-27 02:06:30 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: I'd always heard it as "small enough to fit into your bedroom" until the around the time of the transvaginal ultrasound crap, when bedroom changed to vagina.

Well however you say it it's farked up.


But a very good description of Republican ideology these days.
 
2013-05-27 02:07:56 AM  

Bane of Broone: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."


Yeah.....It's Obama's fault for not bridging that gap. fark you, Bob.


Republicans burned down the bridge and then protest, "Whar stimulus spending, Obama, wher?"
 
2013-05-27 02:10:02 AM  
He sounds like John McCain.  An old school RINO yelling at clouds because the new generation that was elected to NOT be the status quo aren't acting like the status quo.  Democrats and Repubkicans working together is what got us into this mess.
 
2013-05-27 02:22:10 AM  

cptjeff: tinfoil-hat maggie: I'd always heard it as "small enough to fit into your bedroom" until the around the time of the transvaginal ultrasound crap, when bedroom changed to vagina.

Well however you say it it's farked up.

But a very good description of Republican ideology these days.


Pretty much so.
Jennifers body
 
2013-05-27 02:23:03 AM  
Watching you libs froth and sway makes me chuckle.

You will justify the most authoritarian regime since Nixon, because you like the color of the T-shirt. And, listening to your elite's dog-whistle, you'll turn your political opponents into inhuman monsters, justifying at least two of the scandals now being investigated. FORWARD to the banana republic.

Bob Dole hasn't been relevant in 20 years. And I voted for him in Kansas.. He fought in a war SEVENTY YEARS AGO. He's really old, and would probably like the Harding administration to return to office.
 
2013-05-27 02:31:31 AM  

sammyk: Di Atribe: Perhaps if Bob Dole is recommending you check yourself, you should look into that before you find that yourself has been wrecked.

Bob Dole had never been one of the crazies. He's actually known for finding the compromise that we lack these days.


On a personal note, he was also the last Republican I ever considered voting for in a Presidential election.

/ Didn't vote for Bob Dole.
 
2013-05-27 02:38:02 AM  

hubiestubert: Thanks to Fark and TorD back in the day, I fear that my life expectancy as a candidate would be only a few Google searches away from scandal. Though, at least I wasn't married and carrying on with an intern, so maybe I could call it "youthful shenanigans." ;)


I post under my real name at Volokh Conspiracy, and my comments aren't that much more tame than they are here. I find myself wondering often if there's a future politician in me that's being screwed by my inability to avoid taking advantage of an opportunity to snark.
 
2013-05-27 02:39:13 AM  

OgreMagi: When Obama first took office as President, some republicans asked to meet with him to work out some differences.  He responded with, "I won."


As I remember it, they presented him with a list of policy demands. You say "work out some differences," and I say, "delude themselves into thinking that November 2008 couldn't possibly have just happened."
 
2013-05-27 02:41:09 AM  

LoneWolf343: OgreMagi: When the Tea Party first emerged with the message of "reduced spending and reduced taxes", I was interested, but knew better than to jump right in and join up. Sure enough, within a year the derp kicked in as the fundies took over.

I had written them off within a moth, after one of their leaders came out with the "inflation is a tax" line.


I don't think I was that quick, but I do recall using the phrase "Angry Republicans" to sum them up on Fark and elsewhere.
 
2013-05-27 02:46:45 AM  

hubiestubert: NFA: gaslight: The GOP of today has finally become the sort of organization of which Joe McCarthy would be proud.


Here is a quote from Ann Coulter.

"The myth of "McCarthyism" is the greatest Orwellian fraud of our times. Liberals are fanatical liars, then as now. The portrayal of Sen. Joe McCarthy as a wild-eyed demagogue destroying innocent lives is sheer liberal hobgoblinism. Liberals weren't hiding under the bed during the McCarthy era. They were systematically undermining the nation's ability to defend itself, while waging a bellicose campaign of lies to blacken McCarthy's name. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis. "

She is bat-shiat crazy.

Less crazy, than a dedicated cheerleader. She is smart enough to realize that is exactly what she is, and pretty much shameless in accepting that role. What is sort of sad about it, is that she is also smart enough to realize that her usefulness is fading, so in order to try to secure a continuing place at the table, she has to crank up the shamelessness up even further. Her looks are not what they used to be, she doesn't have a solid platform to be seen and heard, so when she gets her opportunities, she takes them, because she HAS to prove that she is a good gray mare. Revisionist history? That's OK. Lies and damned lies? That's OK. Demagoguery? Fine so long as it's her side. The crazy HAS to be cranked up, because the audience loses interest fast, and she, simply put, isn't as young as she used to be,


True, but the danger that she and others like her(most notably Glen Beck) is that by moving the threshold more every week the message and the people receiving that message, gets more more dangerous.  There have been plenty of anti-government protests, but when was the last time people were threatening to come armed?  There have been protests about gun control, but when did we see some moron trying to organize an armed march into DC?  This is the real sick part of it all, Coulter and her ilk don't care.  They have nothing but contempt for their audience and their intelligence, they're just rubes with money.  Ann and Glen don't care how many paranoid fantasies they're feeding, they only care that the books sell.  Now those same freakshows that would have been marginalized nobodies twenty years ago are suddenly the controlling voice of the GOP.

Granted the self-destruction is going to be epic, but we all know they'll be doing everything in their power to take as many other people down with them.
 
2013-05-27 02:48:12 AM  

STRYPERSWINE: He sounds like John McCain.  An old school RINO yelling at clouds because the new generation that was elected to NOT be the status quo aren't acting like the status quo.  Democrats and Repubkicans working together is what got us into this mess.


Which mess, exactly?
 
2013-05-27 02:56:11 AM  
"Every now and again, a political pundit is required to stand up and admit to the world that he or she got it wrong."

Since when? Required by whom? There's something fishy about this premise...
 
2013-05-27 03:02:38 AM  

Flappyhead: True, but the danger that she and others like her(most notably Glen Beck) is that by moving the threshold more every week the message and the people receiving that message, gets more more dangerous.


Is there a limit to the Overton window where it stops working?   Seems that the more they move that threshold, the more they move the whole policy debate.

The more batshiat right wing the Republicans become, the more centrist the Democrats become.  I don't see them pulling policy to the left to balance...
 
2013-05-27 03:17:26 AM  

sendtodave: Flappyhead: True, but the danger that she and others like her(most notably Glen Beck) is that by moving the threshold more every week the message and the people receiving that message, gets more more dangerous.

Is there a limit to the Overton window where it stops working?   Seems that the more they move that threshold, the more they move the whole policy debate.

The more batshiat right wing the Republicans become, the more centrist the Democrats become.  I don't see them pulling policy to the left to balance...


I think there is and in a hilarious twist of irony I think it's going to be from within the GOP itself.  The Democrats will only move so far and when the nuts on the Right insist it's not far enough something is going to break inside the Republican Party.  Just like when the Dixiecrats jumped ship in the 1950s the more hardcore elements of the GOP will abandon their own party, only this time they will have nowhere to go when it fails.
 
2013-05-27 03:34:41 AM  

Flappyhead: sendtodave: Flappyhead: True, but the danger that she and others like her(most notably Glen Beck) is that by moving the threshold more every week the message and the people receiving that message, gets more more dangerous.

Is there a limit to the Overton window where it stops working?   Seems that the more they move that threshold, the more they move the whole policy debate.

The more batshiat right wing the Republicans become, the more centrist the Democrats become.  I don't see them pulling policy to the left to balance...

I think there is and in a hilarious twist of irony I think it's going to be from within the GOP itself.  The Democrats will only move so far and when the nuts on the Right insist it's not far enough something is going to break inside the Republican Party.  Just like when the Dixiecrats jumped ship in the 1950s the more hardcore elements of the GOP will abandon their own party, only this time they will have nowhere to go when it fails.


Two centrist neo-liberal (economic policy, I mean) parties, and a reactionary party?

The future sure looks bright for the average American.
 
2013-05-27 04:15:28 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, Bob fell on his sword for the party, and was treated fairly shamefully for it.

The party should have taken the loss to Obama the first time around, to evaluate what in the Hells had gone wrong. To look at what their platform, and the base that they were encouraging had cost them. After the last go around, they had another opportunity to re-evaluate, and instead, have tripled down on the stupid that now typifies the party faithful. Yes, I'm looking at the use of TEA Party idiots, Libertarians who conveniently vote Republican consistently, and the Religious Right that overlooks liars, adulterers, usurers, and thieves because they happen to give lip service about homosexuals--unless of course they get caught in a men's stall with one--and on abortion, but are perfectly fine with the death penalty and shooting brown people.

The Republican party should be leading the charge for religious freedom--and by that, that means more than just Christians, but Jews, Muslims and Buddhists and more. It should be leading the charge on marriage equality. It should be leading to parity in the tax code. Historically, the party was environmental issues because we hold our lands for our posterity. And it simply isn't. It isn't, because the leadership has turned to myopic concerns that embraced an election strategy championed by NeoCons who wanted the leadership for themselves, and damn the country, damn the nation, and damn the people, but they were going to see their "ideals" through, no matter how bankrupt the nation would become, how many people had to die overseas, and how devastated the economy would be seeing it through. It is the reason I left the party, because I saw that no amount of voting within the party for "better" candidates would do any good, because the only choices were insane or simply outrageously corrupt. The few sane candidates were marginalized from the get go. The party has lost its way, and at this point, it needs to be put out of its misery, and le ...


Well said. The GOP falling apart could be very good for the political climate of this country. Not just because their current party line is off the deep end into extremist territory, but having another party and preferably multiple parties form to replace it may be part of the first steps in getting rid of the ridiculous two-party situation. I imagine the Democratic party would briefly enjoy prominence, but it probably wouldn't last all that long because there is a good chance that the progressives (as more millennials reach voting age this portion of the party base becomes much larger) will eventually break off from the party when it is no longer necessary to vote for a Democratic candidate out of the necessity of voting against the Republican.

In my (probably naive) optimism, I hope that having more than two parties as viable options will help place individual issues rather than a party's platform as the main basis for voting. I think this is important because there can be a great deal of overlap on certain issues from a variety of political leanings. For example, something like civil liberties should never be a partisan issue. Whether one falls under left, right, or center on economic and infrastructure issues, all Americans with a basic understanding of civics should be supporting social freedoms for all.

Using the model of the political compass as an example, if we could move the Overton window of American politics over to the socially libertarian side and calibrate the economic discussion on the center and have it extend to both center-left and center-right, our country could function much better and we might even be able to have nice things like programs that are well-designed, adequately funded, and deemed to be a success or failure based upon factual evaluation instead of partisan bias. My own political views may sometimes fall to the left of this proposed window, but I'm still fond of the idea because it is much better than our current situation and can serve as a workable model for the kind of compromise that can be achieved in the country if we had more rational discussions on politics and less finger pointing. Many of the yahoos currently holding office need to be sent back to the kiddie table.
 
2013-05-27 05:13:02 AM  
I was deeply offended that the Repubs even ran a candidate for president last time. How dare they?!  After failing to protect America on 9/11, failing to protect America after 9/11, losing two wars, and crashing the whole nation economy... how dare they?
 
2013-05-27 05:18:27 AM  
Mrbogey (farkied: More like Mrbogus): LoneWolf343: namatad: Center is defined as "the majority of americans"

No, no it doesn't. It's defined as no strong leanings towards left or right.

A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.

Victory through definition.


Show me some right wing that isn't about "racism, exploitation and xenophobia".  Then we'll talk.

/Yes, there are left wingers that don't belong in public office
//Few of them have any traction in the USA
 
2013-05-27 05:26:57 AM  
He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

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"If that dagburn Dimmycrat varmint is FER it, Ahhhhhhh'm AGIN it!"
 
2013-05-27 06:02:23 AM  

vygramul: whidbey: Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.

(No WONDER they think liberals are grabby, selfish, and gimme gimme gimme all the time. It's because that's how THEY are and they just assume everyone is like that. Sorry - I'm being cynical about the modern GOP.)


Projection is not one of their finer qualities.
 
2013-05-27 06:56:03 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Bob Dole has always been an enigma to me. On one hard, when he was in office, he personified lots of what I didn't like about politics. But after he left office he seemed like a pretty cool guy. He was able to poke fun at himself and showed he has a wicked sense of humor.


Enigma? I thought he was the one that got elected President twice.

/ Window seat please. See you in hell.
 
2013-05-27 07:05:04 AM  

sammyk: Di Atribe: Perhaps if Bob Dole is recommending you check yourself, you should look into that before you find that yourself has been wrecked.

Bob Dole had never been one of the crazies. He's actually known for finding the compromise that we lack these days. having a limp dick and doing commercials about it.


FTFY..
 
2013-05-27 07:08:08 AM  

Mrbogey: Conservatives didn't make it a swear word. "Liberals" made it a swear word by loosely using it to define anything left-wing. When you allow "crap" to be called "liberal", "crap" doesn't start looking liberal. Instead "liberal" starts looking like crap.


NOTHING IS EVER A CONSERVATIVE'S FAULT.  CONSERVATIVES ARE FAULTLESS AND ALSO
 
2013-05-27 07:12:36 AM  

randomjsa: I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?


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2013-05-27 07:26:59 AM  

whidbey: Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.


When was Dole never a friendly moderate?
 
2013-05-27 07:27:40 AM  
There is a tiny element of truth in Bob Dole's comment about Obama in 2009. With full control of the House and Senate, Obama could have and should have called for the launch of a full-scale Congressional investigation of repub misdeeds under the Bush administration, culminating in lengthy prison sentences for the banksters and oil CEOs and treason convictions for Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. He could have and should have immediately withdrawn all American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, calling it "a criminally incompetent  error perpetrated by the previous administration which we have no obligation to continue," cut the military budget by two thirds and applied the money to the Stimulus. When Joe Wilson called him a liar during the State of the Union address, he could have and should have had the ushers drag Wilson out of the room and thrown into jail, overnight, and afterwards announced extensive base closings in South Carolina with the comment "The closings have to occur somewhere and Joe Wilson volunteered his state." Obama could have and should have shown some balls but in five years he never has, so we'll just have to limp along with him until the Democrats can install someone tougher in 2016.
 
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