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(CNN)   You know the GOP has gone completely wheels-off when Bob Dole (R-Bob Dole) says they should be "Closed for Repairs", and declares that Saint Reagan would have no place in today's Republican Party, and says it all on Fox News   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 236
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2013-05-26 09:55:03 PM  
Anyone getting a kick out of this hasn't realized the assholes have won. I'm not talking about Republicans either, I'm talking about the moneyed people that have backed them for 30 years. Sure teh Republican party has lost luster and have trouble on a national stage but the interests of the powers behind the throne have succeeded greatly. The 1% have drug the country so far to the right that the "most liberal lib ti have ever libbed" is really a center right Reagan type Republican.
 
2013-05-26 09:59:06 PM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, Bob fell on his sword for the party, and was treated fairly shamefully for it.

The party should have taken the loss to Obama the first time around, to evaluate what in the Hells had gone wrong. To look at what their platform, and the base that they were encouraging had cost them. After the last go around, they had another opportunity to re-evaluate, and instead, have tripled down on the stupid that now typifies the party faithful. Yes, I'm looking at the use of TEA Party idiots, Libertarians who conveniently vote Republican consistently, and the Religious Right that overlooks liars, adulterers, usurers, and thieves because they happen to give lip service about homosexuals--unless of course they get caught in a men's stall with one--and on abortion, but are perfectly fine with the death penalty and shooting brown people.

The Republican party should be leading the charge for religious freedom--and by that, that means more than just Christians, but Jews, Muslims and Buddhists and more. It should be leading the charge on marriage equality. It should be leading to parity in the tax code. Historically, the party was environmental issues because we hold our lands for our posterity. And it simply isn't. It isn't, because the leadership has turned to myopic concerns that embraced an election strategy championed by NeoCons who wanted the leadership for themselves, and damn the country, damn the nation, and damn the people, but they were going to see their "ideals" through, no matter how bankrupt the nation would become, how many people had to die overseas, and how devastated the economy would be seeing it through. It is the reason I left the party, because I saw that no amount of voting within the party for "better" candidates would do any good, because the only choices were insane or simply outrageously corrupt. The few sane candidates were marginalized from the get go. The party has lost its way, and at this point, it needs to be put out of its misery, and le ...


The very core tenant of conservatism is to resist change. To do what has always worked. So it's no surprise that they aren't changing and doing what has always worked.
 
2013-05-26 10:00:43 PM  

spongeboob: Could you please point out the section of the article where he places any blame for the gridlock on the Republicans?


Here's a transcript of what Dole actually said.

"It seems to be almost unreal that we can't get together on a budget or legislation. I mean, we weren't perfect by a long shot, but at least we got our work done."

"I'm not a critic of the president, but I think one mistake he's made was not getting together more with Congress earlier on, in his first administration. There's nothing like knowing the person you're talking to on the telephone if you've had an opportunity to sit down with that person and visit, not about anything, but just visit."

"I think they [Republicans] ought to put a sign on the national committee doors that says closed for repairs until New Year's Day next year and spend that time going over ideas and positive agendas."

"I doubt [I could make it in today's GOP]. And I -- Reagan wouldn't have made it. Certainly Nixon couldn't have made it, because he had ideas and, we might have made it, but I doubt it."
 
2013-05-26 10:04:47 PM  

Mrbogey: LoneWolf343: namatad: Center is defined as "the majority of americans"

No, no it doesn't. It's defined as no strong leanings towards left or right.

A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.

Victory through definition.


You are not going to sit here and talk about "victory through definition" when the right-wing has spent decades making "liberal" a swear word.
 
2013-05-26 10:11:50 PM  

propasaurus: The few sane candidates were marginalized from the get go. The party has lost its way, and at this point, it needs to be put out of its misery, and le ...

When are you running?


Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?
 
2013-05-26 10:13:32 PM  
FTA: He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

Really?

images59.fotki.com
 
2013-05-26 10:14:24 PM  
Eh. He'll just get his equally retarded friends to scrub all the evidence. It's a shame the farktards are the ones running the place.
 
2013-05-26 10:16:01 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: In other news Bob Dole is still alive. I did not know that.
/Never really liked the guy or his policies but he probably was one of the last Republican politicians that I could respect


He and Elizabeth were trying to whip votes on the Senate floor for the Disabilities Treaty a few months back. They lost to the frothy wing of the party. Yes, Rick Santorum was pushing hard against it, because the UN was going to start stealing your children or something.
 
2013-05-26 10:16:21 PM  

cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?


No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.
 
2013-05-26 10:16:52 PM  

puffy999: Yet he still assigned the blame for partisan gridlock on Obama.


I've noticed that no matter how reasonable the Republican, they can't help but blame the partisan gridlock on both sides.

Susan Collins of Maine came to talk at my Polysci 101 class at UVA and she said that obstructionism in the Senate was higher than it ever was, but the Democratic majority was hostile to Republican complaints about the bills and bullying them with procedural tricks also.

She did blame the real start of a lack of civility in the Senate on a phenomenon that started fairly recently. She said Lincoln Chaffee told her never to campaign against a colleague because the Senate is too close-knit for that to do anything but create problems, but this century has seen a lot of that going on, and in her opinion, that was a huge part of the downfall of cooperation in the Senate.

(If there was ever a Republican in the last 10 years who DESERVED reelection, it was Lincoln Chaffee.)
 
2013-05-26 10:18:42 PM  

invictus2: why do  you think, that he  became a she


She said "Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side"
 
2013-05-26 10:20:55 PM  

Dinjiin: FTA: He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

Really?

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The funny thing is that the Heritage Foundation basically confirmed it's what happened with Obamacare. In an editorial protesting that Obamacare was not a conservative principle, they said that they wrote it in the early '90s in response to Hillarycare, a compromise (THEIR WORDS). So when Obama stepped up and said, "I'll take that compromise! Let's go!" Heritage admitted that conservatives backed off.

Of course, they didn't REALIZE that's what they were admitting to, but there you have it.
 
2013-05-26 10:22:53 PM  

Captain Dan: Satanic_Hamster: <---- keeps notes

See, just because there's hundreds of troll account alts on here, we still have ways to remember previous bouts of idiocy or bullshiat.

If you find one quote of me saying either thing, I'll promote you to TotalFark.  If you can't, you change your profile header to "I, Satanic_Hamster, am a bloviating shiatheel."  Deal?


Oh noes, a weird knave / troll might think less of me, oh woah is me.

And anyone who directly gives Fark money is just rewarding the troll accounts.
 
2013-05-26 10:24:20 PM  

hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.


I left the GOP in 2004 and joined the Democratic Party in 2008. I found that I really HAVE been able to have some influence, though sometimes it's absurdly frustrating. (Witnessing the sausages get made is truly a thing to behold. But when people talk about the two parties being the same, they're completely insane.)
 
2013-05-26 10:27:26 PM  

namatad: soia: you know what really grinds my gears????  Is that i have to vote Democrat because Republicans are out of their minds.  And i honestly believe that if Republicans actually got their heads out of their asses for a minute and decided to actually come to reality they would be the dominant political party in this nation, but no we're stuck with Democrats

UM
NO
You vote for the democrats because they have become the centrist party.
Started with Clinton, Algore lost because he was too left, wtf Kerry, and Obama was back to the center.

Center is defined as "the majority of americans" ... as in the majority of americans want: pot legal, gay marriage legal, healthcare for all, government out of our faces, religion out of our faces, abortion to be legal, etc etc etc.

The GOP was taken over by a couple different groups of wackjobs. Teahadists and Bible thumpers.
If you remove the wackjob elements of the GOP's platform, well, you are left with the DEM platform?

/spare me the union speech, esp since unions have been dying for decades.
/spare me the small government speech, unless you can point to a GOP that has cut government overall. which you cant.

so yah, suck it up and get over it, you have become a democrat. sucks to be you, but they have morphed into your party. The other one, the GOP? They are never coming back. Not for 6-20 years at least.


Somehow I don't think you can break this all down in these little talking points everyone tries to trump out, it just makes people wish they were right and there are a lot of people here who wish they are right
 
2013-05-26 10:29:22 PM  

namatad: Algore lost because he was too left


Most of the independents I know who voted against Gore did so because they were turned off by the Clinton administration by 2000. Then again, I lived inside the DC reality-distortion field then, so that may have been a regional phenomenon.
 
2013-05-26 10:32:01 PM  
He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

And where precisely would Mr. Dole propose to start building a bridge to crazyland?
 
2013-05-26 10:32:57 PM  

hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.


Well just know you are awesome in my book and hell yea I'd vote for you.

/I never did like the way it always felt back in the day, and still does you like the 2nd amendment vote republican you like having government funded safety nets for the poor ... etc...
Well, back in the day it always seemed they drew issues out of a hat but these days well some people are playing with a limited deck.
 
2013-05-26 10:35:22 PM  

theorellior: Mrbogey: A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.

How else would you define "right-wing"?


Generally? Nationalist, decentralized economic planning, and anti-coercive collectivism.

HeartBurnKid: You are not going to sit here and talk about "victory through definition" when the right-wing has spent decades making "liberal" a swear word.


Conservatives didn't make it a swear word. "Liberals" made it a swear word by loosely using it to define anything left-wing. When you allow "crap" to be called "liberal", "crap" doesn't start looking liberal. Instead "liberal" starts looking like crap.

All because Socialists and Communists didn't want to refer to themselves as such. Blame them for hijacking the word and dirtying it up.
 
2013-05-26 10:37:26 PM  

Captain Dan: I like Bob Dole.  Amongst politicians, he was unusually decent.

He's biting his tongue here.  He's been worried about the direction of the party for a while, but loyalty has bid him silent.

The GOP needs to go through the restructuring that Democrats went through in the 1980s.  It'll cost them power for a decade, but it will pay off with a stronger party in the 2020s.

- drop the anti-intellectualism: stop denying climate change, evolution
- drop the racial bullshiat
- focus on middle-class economic anxieties, starting with health care and higher education
- expand geographically beyond the South
- focus on making government work more efficiently, not eliminating it
- don't ever say the word "rape", even if it is the appropriate word
- avoid even saying "grape"
- don't even think about saying "nubianrdly"


The things you mention are what keeps them in power. I don't know the percentage of Republicans who secretly despise the things they say at a podium, but I would bet a majority of them do. Milking the public by appealing to base fears and prejudices is hardly new. But that's what sells when you don't have an actual plan or stated policy to fix your constituents' woes. Said constituents will continue to suffer but hey, at least them f*gs aren't getting married, right?
 
2013-05-26 10:51:04 PM  

dickfreckle: Captain Dan: I like Bob Dole.  Amongst politicians, he was unusually decent.

He's biting his tongue here.  He's been worried about the direction of the party for a while, but loyalty has bid him silent.

The GOP needs to go through the restructuring that Democrats went through in the 1980s.  It'll cost them power for a decade, but it will pay off with a stronger party in the 2020s.

- drop the anti-intellectualism: stop denying climate change, evolution
- drop the racial bullshiat
- focus on middle-class economic anxieties, starting with health care and higher education
- expand geographically beyond the South
- focus on making government work more efficiently, not eliminating it
- don't ever say the word "rape", even if it is the appropriate word
- avoid even saying "grape"
- don't even think about saying "nubianrdly"

The things you mention are what keeps them in power. I don't know the percentage of Republicans who secretly despise the things they say at a podium, but I would bet a majority of them do. Milking the public by appealing to base fears and prejudices is hardly new. But that's what sells when you don't have an actual plan or stated policy to fix your constituents' woes. Said constituents will continue to suffer but hey, at least them f*gs aren't getting married, right?


It *used* to keep them in power. If they don't do something about their demographic shiat, they're not going to win the presidency unless the Democratic Party nominates Jeanine Garafalo for president.

They will, however, keep the House for at least another 7 years. They might even take the Senate. But slowly they're losing traditionally red states. VA won't elect a non-incumbent GOP Senator (of which there are currently none) after about 2016. Missouri will start falling Democratic in presidential elections more often than not starting in about 2020. NC too.

There's time for the DNC to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, though.
 
2013-05-26 10:54:26 PM  

Captain Dan: - don't even think about saying "nubianrdly"


I'm not a Republican, but I'm not going to even think about TRYING to say "nubianrdly." But then I've always been one to call a spade, a spade.

/aisle seat, please
 
2013-05-26 10:58:17 PM  
Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.
 
2013-05-26 11:03:12 PM  
Not extensively, but....I campaigned for this guy.

less than 20 years later, i'm apparently a socialist communist.

i'm thinking you may have missed the point, Bob. It aint about Barry.
 
2013-05-26 11:03:13 PM  

whidbey: Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.


Yea, pretty much.
/Truthfully I think both parties are farked since there are no real liberals anymore but oh well.
 
2013-05-26 11:08:21 PM  

whidbey: Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.


I remember in 1996 he was a more conservative choice, just left of Buchanan. Now he's a RINO. His views haven't changed, except perhaps on the ADA, since Republicans have a knack for caring about social issues once they are affected by them and not before. (No WONDER they think liberals are grabby, selfish, and gimme gimme gimme all the time. It's because that's how THEY are and they just assume everyone is like that. Sorry - I'm being cynical about the modern GOP.)
 
2013-05-26 11:10:14 PM  

dickfreckle: The things you mention are what keeps them in power.


Not the kind of power that can pass an agenda.  Political parties don't exist to represent people, or to be nice; they exist to pass agendas.  Republican powerbrokers are sensing that their interests will not be served by the current iteration of the GOP; hence, it will change.
 
2013-05-26 11:11:03 PM  

vygramul: dickfreckle: Captain Dan: I like Bob Dole.  Amongst politicians, he was unusually decent.

He's biting his tongue here.  He's been worried about the direction of the party for a while, but loyalty has bid him silent.

The GOP needs to go through the restructuring that Democrats went through in the 1980s.  It'll cost them power for a decade, but it will pay off with a stronger party in the 2020s.

- drop the anti-intellectualism: stop denying climate change, evolution
- drop the racial bullshiat
- focus on middle-class economic anxieties, starting with health care and higher education
- expand geographically beyond the South
- focus on making government work more efficiently, not eliminating it
- don't ever say the word "rape", even if it is the appropriate word
- avoid even saying "grape"
- don't even think about saying "nubianrdly"

The things you mention are what keeps them in power. I don't know the percentage of Republicans who secretly despise the things they say at a podium, but I would bet a majority of them do. Milking the public by appealing to base fears and prejudices is hardly new. But that's what sells when you don't have an actual plan or stated policy to fix your constituents' woes. Said constituents will continue to suffer but hey, at least them f*gs aren't getting married, right?

It *used* to keep them in power. If they don't do something about their demographic shiat, they're not going to win the presidency unless the Democratic Party nominates Jeanine Garafalo for president.

They will, however, keep the House for at least another 7 years. They might even take the Senate. But slowly they're losing traditionally red states. VA won't elect a non-incumbent GOP Senator (of which there are currently none) after about 2016. Missouri will start falling Democratic in presidential elections more often than not starting in about 2020. NC too.

There's time for the DNC to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, though.


As a native of MO, sadly, it will not become blue by 2020. IMO, GA (where I live now) has a slightly better chance to achieve that goal.
 
2013-05-26 11:11:24 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: whidbey: Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.

Yea, pretty much.
/Truthfully I think both parties are farked since there are no real liberals anymore but oh well.


Honestly, Senators and Congressmen are only as liberal or conservative as the loudest voices.

And right now, it's 100% legal protected free speech for the loudest voice to be made up of shiat-tons of money, screaming for its maintenance beer.
 
2013-05-26 11:15:17 PM  

whidbey: tinfoil-hat maggie: whidbey: Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.

Yea, pretty much.
/Truthfully I think both parties are farked since there are no real liberals anymore but oh well.

Honestly, Senators and Congressmen are only as liberal or conservative as the loudest voices.

And right now, it's 100% legal protected free speech for the loudest voice to be made up of shiat-tons of money, screaming for its maintenance beer.


Wait a minute maintenance beer sounds like a good thing : )
 
2013-05-26 11:19:00 PM  

JAGChem82: As a native of MO, sadly, it will not become blue by 2020. IMO, GA (where I live now) has a slightly better chance to achieve that goal.


Obama only missed MO by less than 4000 votes in 2008. GA was never that close.
 
2013-05-26 11:20:50 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.

Well just know you are awesome in my book and hell yea I'd vote for you.

/I never did like the way it always felt back in the day, and still does you like the 2nd amendment vote republican you like having government funded safety nets for the poor ... etc...
Well, back in the day it always seemed they drew issues out of a hat but these days well some people are playing with a limited deck.


Thanks to Fark and TorD back in the day, I fear that my life expectancy as a candidate would be only a few Google searches away from scandal. Though, at least I wasn't married and carrying on with an intern, so maybe I could call it "youthful shenanigans." ;)
 
2013-05-26 11:22:05 PM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, Bob fell on his sword for the party, and was treated fairly shamefully for it.

The party should have taken the loss to Obama the first time around, to evaluate what in the Hells had gone wrong. To look at what their platform, and the base that they were encouraging had cost them. After the last go around, they had another opportunity to re-evaluate, and instead, have tripled down on the stupid that now typifies the party faithful. Yes, I'm looking at the use of TEA Party idiots, Libertarians who conveniently vote Republican consistently, and the Religious Right that overlooks liars, adulterers, usurers, and thieves because they happen to give lip service about homosexuals--unless of course they get caught in a men's stall with one--and on abortion, but are perfectly fine with the death penalty and shooting brown people.

The Republican party should be leading the charge for religious freedom--and by that, that means more than just Christians, but Jews, Muslims and Buddhists and more. It should be leading the charge on marriage equality. It should be leading to parity in the tax code. Historically, the party was environmental issues because we hold our lands for our posterity. And it simply isn't. It isn't, because the leadership has turned to myopic concerns that embraced an election strategy championed by NeoCons who wanted the leadership for themselves, and damn the country, damn the nation, and damn the people, but they were going to see their "ideals" through, no matter how bankrupt the nation would become, how many people had to die overseas, and how devastated the economy would be seeing it through. It is the reason I left the party, because I saw that no amount of voting within the party for "better" candidates would do any good, because the only choices were insane or simply outrageously corrupt. The few sane candidates were marginalized from the get go. The party has lost its way, and at this point, it needs to be put out of its misery, and let the TEA Party idiots and "Libertarians" pick over the bones with the Religious Right, and let something new rise from the ashes while the Idiot Brigade fights for who loves America more...


Welcome to the future, Mr Time Traveler from yester year. I'm 42, and I can't recall a single solitary damn day of my life where any of that has been true of the GOP.
 
2013-05-26 11:29:40 PM  

hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.

Well just know you are awesome in my book and hell yea I'd vote for you.

/I never did like the way it always felt back in the day, and still does you like the 2nd amendment vote republican you like having government funded safety nets for the poor ... etc...
Well, back in the day it always seemed they drew issues out of a hat but these days well some people are playing with a limited deck.

Thanks to Fark and TorD back in the day, I fear that my life expectancy as a candidate would be only a few Google searches away from scandal. Though, at least I wasn't married and carrying on with an intern, so maybe I could call it "youthful shenanigans." ;)


Just keep your fark handle in your pants, and any issues that might arise will stay small. If it grows into a scandal, all of fark will be behind you, ready to spear your opponent.

\I'm a bit tipsy.
 
2013-05-26 11:29:56 PM  

hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.

Well just know you are awesome in my book and hell yea I'd vote for you.

/I never did like the way it always felt back in the day, and still does you like the 2nd amendment vote republican you like having government funded safety nets for the poor ... etc...
Well, back in the day it always seemed they drew issues out of a hat but these days well some people are playing with a limited deck.

Thanks to Fark and TorD back in the day, I fear that my life expectancy as a candidate would be only a few Google searches away from scandal. Though, at least I wasn't married and carrying on with an intern, so maybe I could call it "youthful shenanigans." ;)


Dude, no way, you just post some of those hot pinup girls and well you're in : )
 
2013-05-26 11:30:11 PM  

rev. dave: It would do them well to split into 2 parties.


It would do us all much better if the GOP dissolved into nothingness and the Democratic Party split into two parties.
 
2013-05-26 11:31:00 PM  

vygramul: JAGChem82: As a native of MO, sadly, it will not become blue by 2020. IMO, GA (where I live now) has a slightly better chance to achieve that goal.

Obama only missed MO by less than 4000 votes in 2008. GA was never that close.


True, but Obama lost GA by single digits both years; he did substantially worse in MO in losing by 10%. It's the only state in the Midwest he never won (at least my definition of the Midwest), and the cities in MO aren't getting any bigger. At least GA has Atlanta and it's transplants going for it in the
future. The populations of STL and KC have shrunk considerably, and that is the only way for Democrats to win the state overall.
 
2013-05-26 11:33:15 PM  

markie_farkie: born_yesterday: ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!

The GOP won't stop devolving until the only people left are all the pants-shiatting crazies that do nothing but compile lists.

What happens after that will be entertaining to watch!


Can you BELIEVE when it's down to just the last two "True Repubs"...and then one of them says something even the tiniest bit centrist and...THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!
 
2013-05-26 11:34:48 PM  
Wow, don't ask me to diagram that sentence.

Let's go with "Can you IMAGINE what will happen when..."

/maybe "Can you WAIT too see what happens when..."
 
2013-05-26 11:43:43 PM  

JAGChem82: vygramul: JAGChem82: As a native of MO, sadly, it will not become blue by 2020. IMO, GA (where I live now) has a slightly better chance to achieve that goal.

Obama only missed MO by less than 4000 votes in 2008. GA was never that close.

True, but Obama lost GA by single digits both years; he did substantially worse in MO in losing by 10%. It's the only state in the Midwest he never won (at least my definition of the Midwest), and the cities in MO aren't getting any bigger. At least GA has Atlanta and it's transplants going for it in the
future. The populations of STL and KC have shrunk considerably, and that is the only way for Democrats to win the state overall.


I thought Alabama would be bluer this last election due to the transplants and some of the local laws passed but it held about the same. But living in cities in those states doesn't really give you a clue what's going on right outside them.
I mean thishappens not so far away
 
2013-05-26 11:44:12 PM  

Bane of Broone: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."


Yeah.....It's Obama's fault for not bridging that gap. fark you, Bob.


This is maybe the Right-Wing media's talking point that I find MOST irritating. Like the other stuff is whatever, it's politicking and BSing, but this one? This one is just...demonstrable lunacy. Like they can't even own THEIR OWN actions.
 
2013-05-26 11:49:54 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Well, duh.

When the John Brich Society attempted to take over the GOP in the 80s, the Republicans soundly rejected them as lunatics. Now rebranded as the teabaggers, the GOP leadership has embraced them.


When the Tea Party first emerged with the message of "reduced spending and reduced taxes", I was interested, but knew better than to jump right in and join up.  Sure enough, within a year the derp kicked in as the fundies took over.

How about combining that message with the Occupy message of "big business has too much say in our political process"?  They aren't mutually exclusive.  In fact, they are complimentary.
 
2013-05-26 11:53:51 PM  

Dinjiin: FTA: He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

Really?

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When Obama first took office as President, some republicans asked to meet with him to work out some differences.  He responded with, "I won."  That isn't exactly reaching out.  Not that the GOP has been any better since then.  Our government as evolved into a bunch of preschoolers fighting over the best toys and there are no adults around to put them on a time out.
 
2013-05-27 12:02:37 AM  

cptjeff: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.

Well just know you are awesome in my book and hell yea I'd vote for you.

/I never did like the way it always felt back in the day, and still does you like the 2nd amendment vote republican you like having government funded safety nets for the poor ... etc...
Well, back in the day it always seemed they drew issues out of a hat but these days well some people are playing with a limited deck.

Thanks to Fark and TorD back in the day, I fear that my life expectancy as a candidate would be only a few Google searches away from scandal. Though, at least I wasn't married and carrying on with an intern, so maybe I could call it "youthful shenanigans." ;)

Just keep your fark handle in your pants, and any issues that might arise will stay small. If it grows into a scandal, all of fark will be behind you, ready to spear your opponent.

\I'm a bit tipsy.


I do pity da fool that gets in the way of the first Farkistani Mayor or Governor...

Peeps goin' to Photoshop mercilessly...
 
2013-05-27 12:05:33 AM  
LOL, the best thing for this country's political landscape would for the GOP to collapse and a couple of parties to come out of it. Nothing good happens when greedy capitalist Randians team up with crazy and ignorant religious socially conservative nuts.
 
2013-05-27 12:05:55 AM  

vygramul: Most of the independents I know who voted against Gore did so because they were turned off by the Clinton administration by 2000.


Well, the blood spilled by that decision is on their hands as much as every rabid Republican who thought Dubya was the new and great conservator of conservatism instead of the Cheney hand puppet he ended up being.
/wastrel son of a psychopathic family.
 
2013-05-27 12:09:28 AM  

OgreMagi: At one time the GOP for smaller government, fiscal responsibility, and minding your own damn business.  These days they don't see a government program they don't like (unless is a democrat idea), they spend like drunken sailors in a whore house, and you better not be having any fun that they don't approve of, and that goes double for those ickey gheys.


But in that other thread, I was just getting comfortable with the idea of not liking you.
 
2013-05-27 12:09:49 AM  

TheJoe03: LOL, the best thing for this country's political landscape would for the GOP to collapse and a couple of parties to come out of it. Nothing good happens when greedy capitalist Randians team up with crazy and ignorant religious socially conservative nuts.


There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism
 
2013-05-27 12:12:45 AM  

OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism


Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.
 
2013-05-27 12:14:20 AM  

TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.


Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.
 
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