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(CNN)   You know the GOP has gone completely wheels-off when Bob Dole (R-Bob Dole) says they should be "Closed for Repairs", and declares that Saint Reagan would have no place in today's Republican Party, and says it all on Fox News   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 236
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2013-05-26 07:58:29 PM  
The Republican Party should rebrand as a beam of pure energy.
 
2013-05-26 07:58:44 PM  
It would do them well to split into 2 parties.
 
2013-05-26 07:59:50 PM  
Bob Dole has always been an enigma to me. On one hard, when he was in office, he personified lots of what I didn't like about politics. But after he left office he seemed like a pretty cool guy. He was able to poke fun at himself and showed he has a wicked sense of humor.
 
2013-05-26 08:15:32 PM  

Di Atribe: Perhaps if Bob Dole is recommending you check yourself, you should look into that before you find that yourself has been wreckederect.


See what I did that?

MAN, I'm a card...
 
2013-05-26 08:16:03 PM  

sammyk: Bob Dole had never been one of the crazies. He's actually known for finding the compromise that we lack these days.


Uh huh. That's how I remembered him, too. Then I read this part:

(Dole) assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

And this part:

"I think that the president, he lacks communication skills with his own party, let alone the Republican Party. And he's on the road too much," Dole said, quipping Obama was a "good golfer."

And then I was like "Oh, yeah, now I remember.... you're as much of a lying, Murdoch-licking, partisan a-hole as anyone else in the GOP, willing to whitewash history and put your party before your country at the expense of everything else in the world.

fark Bob Dole.
 
2013-05-26 08:18:58 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Bob Dole has always been an enigma to me. On one hard, when he was in office, he personified lots of what I didn't like about politics. But after he left office he seemed like a pretty cool guy. He was able to poke fun at himself and showed he has a wicked sense of humor.


The guy was supposed to be hysterical, but in a dark way, so it wasn't necessarily fit for public consumption.
Supposedly, he saw Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford and Richard Nixon at a gathering once and said, "It's See No Evil, Hear No Evil, and Evil."
 
2013-05-26 08:18:59 PM  
He still not quite there yet.

"The GOP has gone off the rails." *takes breath* "The gridlock is Obama's fault."
 
2013-05-26 08:20:19 PM  
The GOP will never learn. They would have to admit they are wrong. Thats never going to happen.

All the political drama we have seen lately has been last gasp tactics.

They are ripe to split down the seams...
 
2013-05-26 08:21:56 PM  
i1284.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-26 08:22:03 PM  
Did he pull out a copy of the Holy Tenth Amendment during the interview?
 
2013-05-26 08:24:09 PM  

simplicimus: How do you bridge the difference between "Give me everything I want, unconditionally" and Obama's agenda?


By being full of shiat.

fark you, Bob.  Used to have respect for you.

Basically, his whole interview boils down to "The GOP is all messed up but it's Obama's fault."
 
2013-05-26 08:24:34 PM  
I like Bob Dole.  Amongst politicians, he was unusually decent.

He's biting his tongue here.  He's been worried about the direction of the party for a while, but loyalty has bid him silent.

The GOP needs to go through the restructuring that Democrats went through in the 1980s.  It'll cost them power for a decade, but it will pay off with a stronger party in the 2020s.

- drop the anti-intellectualism: stop denying climate change, evolution
- drop the racial bullshiat
- focus on middle-class economic anxieties, starting with health care and higher education
- expand geographically beyond the South
- focus on making government work more efficiently, not eliminating it
- don't ever say the word "rape", even if it is the appropriate word
- avoid even saying "grape"
- don't even think about saying "nubianrdly"
 
2013-05-26 08:25:44 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Uh huh. That's how I remembered him, too. Then I read this part:

(Dole) assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

And this part:

"I think that the president, he lacks communication skills with his own party, let alone the Republican Party. And he's on the road too much," Dole said, quipping Obama was a "good golfer."

And then I was like "Oh, yeah, now I remember.... you're as much of a lying, Murdoch-licking, partisan a-hole as anyone else in the GOP, willing to whitewash history and put your party before your country at the expense of everything else in the world.

fark Bob Dole.


And that's pretty much it. What Bob Dole is really kvetching about isn't Republican Gridlock, it's the loss of the Republican Moderate. The reality is that large portions of the GOP have always been controlled by John Birch Society race-baiting fascists. But there were always the GOP moderates, like Olympia Snowe or the 1990's versions of Mitt Romney and John McCain, that made the GOP electable by illustrating that not "All" the GOP were completely nuts. GOP Moderates were those the party base can point at to make themselves electable. Heck, even as recently as 2000, W Bush campaigned as a "Compassionate Conservative", and rarely brought up jingoistic patriotism. Not looking like a petty band of pantshiatting bedwetting obstructionist cowards is a good strategy to get elected nationally.

He's right that Reagan would have been "Primaried" out of existence. But Bob Dole doesn't care about fixing the GOP at any level, just it's image. But the one thing Dole is right about is that the current GOP is completely unelectable now and will be for the foreseeable future.
 
2013-05-26 08:28:16 PM  
Where are the Republican shills?
 
2013-05-26 08:30:10 PM  

Delay: Where are the Republican shills?


If your head spins fast enough, depending on what your body does, it either comes off or you get dizzy and pass out. Either way, you're very quiet.
 
2013-05-26 08:31:24 PM  

Captain Dan: I like Bob Dole.  Amongst politicians, he was unusually decent.

He's biting his tongue here.  He's been worried about the direction of the party for a while, but loyalty has bid him silent.

The GOP needs to go through the restructuring that Democrats went through in the 1980s.  It'll cost them power for a decade, but it will pay off with a stronger party in the 2020s.

- drop the anti-intellectualism: stop denying climate change, evolution
- drop the racial bullshiat
- focus on middle-class economic anxieties, starting with health care and higher education
- expand geographically beyond the South
- focus on making government work more efficiently, not eliminating it
- don't ever say the word "rape", even if it is the appropriate word
- avoid even saying "grape"
- don't even think about saying "nubianrdly"


Oh, Fark filter. you slay me.
 
2013-05-26 08:33:15 PM  
adding he too would also have faced challenges

www.womansday.com
 
2013-05-26 08:34:02 PM  
 
2013-05-26 08:38:21 PM  

ampoliros: Delay: Where are the Republican shills?

If your head spins fast enough, depending on what your body does, it either comes off or you get dizzy and pass out. Either way, you're very quiet.


Actually it was a serious question. I'm here in Utah this week, where are all the Republican shills?
 
2013-05-26 08:44:03 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: born_yesterday: ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!

Don't worry, he tossed this in:
He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

Go fark yourself, Bob.


IIRC, Obama tried reaching out, the overwhelming response from the GOP was "fark you and everything you stand for!  We would rather this nation burned to the ground then let you have anything!"

/I wish I was joking...
 
2013-05-26 08:46:07 PM  
Bob went on to say that it's also Obama's fault for not talking to the party that should be closed for repairs.

/Both sides are bad so vote for Viagra.
 
2013-05-26 08:48:28 PM  

Captain Dan: - expand geographically beyond the South


That's not something that you do directly. It's a result of changing your policies to be more modern and sane.
 
2013-05-26 08:51:16 PM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, Bob fell on his sword for the party, and was treated fairly shamefully for it.

The party should have taken the loss to Obama the first time around, to evaluate what in the Hells had gone wrong. To look at what their platform, and the base that they were encouraging had cost them. After the last go around, they had another opportunity to re-evaluate, and instead, have tripled down on the stupid that now typifies the party faithful. Yes, I'm looking at the use of TEA Party idiots, Libertarians who conveniently vote Republican consistently, and the Religious Right that overlooks liars, adulterers, usurers, and thieves because they happen to give lip service about homosexuals--unless of course they get caught in a men's stall with one--and on abortion, but are perfectly fine with the death penalty and shooting brown people.

The Republican party should be leading the charge for religious freedom--and by that, that means more than just Christians, but Jews, Muslims and Buddhists and more. It should be leading the charge on marriage equality. It should be leading to parity in the tax code. Historically, the party was environmental issues because we hold our lands for our posterity. And it simply isn't. It isn't, because the leadership has turned to myopic concerns that embraced an election strategy championed by NeoCons who wanted the leadership for themselves, and damn the country, damn the nation, and damn the people, but they were going to see their "ideals" through, no matter how bankrupt the nation would become, how many people had to die overseas, and how devastated the economy would be seeing it through. It is the reason I left the party, because I saw that no amount of voting within the party for "better" candidates would do any good, because the only choices were insane or simply outrageously corrupt. The few sane candidates were marginalized from the get go. The party has lost its way, and at this point, it needs to be put out of its misery, and le ...


It's stuff like this is why I have you favorited in bright cyan...and have for several years now.
 
2013-05-26 08:51:32 PM  
If anyone reads the article with at least minimal comprehension, you'll see that Bob Dole didn't blame Obama for the gridlock.  He only noted that Obama shared some portion of the blame, without specifying how large a portion.

This is a diplomatic way of saying to his own party, "yes, the other side isn't blameless, but we really need to shape up."
 
2013-05-26 08:54:19 PM  

rev. dave: It would do them well to split into 2 parties.


um - in NO UNIVERSE does that actually help them

if we assume that the people left in the GOP are equally split, they would have little to no political power if they split.

HELL, if the wackjobs only make up 10-20% of the party, losing them is too much, unless they can regain some of the middle which has been lost to the dems.

I dont see the GOPS being willing to sacrifice the short term loss of power, for the long term gain of power in the future.

"most important thing is getting re-elected"
 
2013-05-26 08:56:05 PM  

Captain Dan: If anyone reads the article with at least minimal comprehension, you'll see that Bob Dole didn't blame Obama for the gridlock.  He only noted that Obama shared some portion of the blame, without specifying how large a portion.

This is a diplomatic way of saying to his own party, "yes, the other side isn't blameless, but we really need to shape up."



"He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps. "

so what part of this was unclear?
or are you reading words which are not there?
assigned some part of the blame?

LOL
but go on, tell us how both parties are bad, vote GOP
 
2013-05-26 08:57:55 PM  

namatad: Center is defined as "the majority of americans"


No, no it doesn't. It's defined as no strong leanings towards left or right.
 
2013-05-26 08:59:11 PM  

ambassador_ahab: Let's not forget the republicans in Tennessee who threw a fit over a mop drain because they were worried it was some kind of Muslim foot-wash.


www.mindhuestudio.com
 
2013-05-26 08:59:48 PM  

0Icky0: Bob went on to say that it's also Obama's fault for not talking to the party that should be closed for repairs.

/Both sides are bad so vote for Viagra.


Why not?  That little blue pill can't do any worse than the current lot.
 
2013-05-26 09:01:05 PM  

0Icky0: That's not something that you do directly. It's a result of changing your policies to be more modern and sane.


It's both.  A party can remain conservative nationally while encouraging more moderate voices in bluer districts.  Republicans need to clarify to their voters that a Massachusetts Republican who agrees with 30% of their agenda is better than a Massachusetts Democrat who agrees with 5%.

That should be obvious, but the party currently doesn't act towards that goal.  Their primary/caucus system allows very conservative minorities to dictate unelectable candidates.  The party needs to either disband primaries or dilute their influence.
 
2013-05-26 09:01:55 PM  

LoneWolf343: namatad: Center is defined as "the majority of americans"

No, no it doesn't. It's defined as no strong leanings towards left or right.


A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.

Victory through definition.
 
2013-05-26 09:04:47 PM  

Delay: ampoliros: Delay: Where are the Republican shills?

If your head spins fast enough, depending on what your body does, it either comes off or you get dizzy and pass out. Either way, you're very quiet.

Actually it was a serious question. I'm here in Utah this week, where are all the Republican shills?


I think there's a NASCAR race on.
 
2013-05-26 09:10:53 PM  

puffy999: Yet he still assigned the blame for partisan gridlock on Obama.


Voted this smart, but Fark sure needs a sad tag as well as funny, cause this is true and sad so very sad.
 
2013-05-26 09:11:19 PM  

The Lone Gunman: Di Atribe: Perhaps if Bob Dole is recommending you check yourself, you should look into that before you find that yourself has been wreckederect.

See what I did that?

MAN, I'm a card...


Well I laughed, if that means anything. :)
 
2013-05-26 09:12:26 PM  
FTA: Instead of operating day-to-day in a nonelection year, the national party should focus on broader plans to rehabilitate itself after the losses of 2012...

He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama...


Wait, is this another Republican suggesting that the GOP not focus on, you know, their actual job as members of congress?

And then on top of that blaming Obama that nothing gets done?

MAXIMUM TROLLING dot jpeg!!!
 
2013-05-26 09:13:39 PM  

namatad: "He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps. "

so what part of this was unclear?
or are you reading words which are not there?
assigned some part of the blame?


There's a difference between "assigned blame" and "assigned exclusive blame."  For example: it's a failing of yours to not understand this difference.  But your teachers also deserve blame.

Here's the full quote, in which Dole "blames Obama":

"I'm not a critic of the president, but I think one mistake he's made was not getting together more with Congress earlier on, in his first administration."  Link
 
2013-05-26 09:13:46 PM  
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."


Yeah.....It's Obama's fault for not bridging that gap. fark you, Bob.
 
2013-05-26 09:16:51 PM  
Bob Dole is the last Republican I voted for. Now that it's just right wing religious nuts, I have no use for them.
 
2013-05-26 09:24:24 PM  

rev. dave: It would do them well to split into 2 parties.


Or maybe three
The Christians
The Randoids
The Republican Establishment aka the corporate Republicans
 
2013-05-26 09:24:54 PM  

gaslight: The GOP of today has finally become the sort of organization of which Joe McCarthy would be proud.


==================

You think Joe McCarthy would be comfortable with the US being a trillion dollars in debt to Red China?
 
2013-05-26 09:27:34 PM  
Another segment to shove down the memory hole.
 
2013-05-26 09:27:51 PM  

Mrbogey: A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.


How else would you define "right-wing"?
 
2013-05-26 09:28:18 PM  

Mrbogey: LoneWolf343: namatad: Center is defined as "the majority of americans"

No, no it doesn't. It's defined as no strong leanings towards left or right.

A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.

Victory through definition.


Actually, a lot of people on the right complain that their party is too caught up in racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.  But I guess they're just RINOs. . .

/A good one to check is Christopher Caldwell's "The Southern Captivity of the GOP," which was written back in 1998.
 
2013-05-26 09:30:31 PM  

namatad: Captain Dan: If anyone reads the article with at least minimal comprehension, you'll see that Bob Dole didn't blame Obama for the gridlock.  He only noted that Obama shared some portion of the blame, without specifying how large a portion.

This is a diplomatic way of saying to his own party, "yes, the other side isn't blameless, but we really need to shape up."


"He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps. "

so what part of this was unclear?
or are you reading words which are not there?
assigned some part of the blame?

LOL
but go on, tell us how both parties are bad, vote GOP


Keep in mind, Lt. Dan thinks that Obama is further to the left of Che and that James O'Keefe is a great American hero.
 
2013-05-26 09:36:41 PM  

namatad: 1) thank you for being the keeper of this list
2) WTF - DOOD - your stupid profile is making me take that FOUNDATION TEST - I LOVE YOU NOW!!


If you find that sort of stuff interesting this is a good book on the subject:

tomorrowsreflection.com

It's actually what led me to that quiz.
 
2013-05-26 09:39:55 PM  

Captain Dan: If anyone reads the article with at least minimal comprehension, you'll see that Bob Dole didn't blame Obama for the gridlock.  He only noted that Obama shared some portion of the blame, without specifying how large a portion.

This is a diplomatic way of saying to his own party, "yes, the other side isn't blameless, but we really need to shape up."


Okay let's look at the part about Obama

He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.
"I think that the president, he lacks communication skills with his own party, let alone the Republican Party. And he's on the road too much," Dole said, quipping Obama was a "good golfer."



Now if you want to be charitable you could read 'he also assigned blame' to mean that he was assigning some blame to Obama as well as to the Republicans, but going back through the previous sections of the article he doesn't blame the Republicans for the gridlock, he only says that the Republicans should rehab their image, in fact he says they should not do any governing but work on the more important goal of rehabbing the image of the GOP

Instead of operating day-to-day in a nonelection year, the national party should focus on broader plans to rehabilitate itself after the losses of 2012, the former Kansas lawmaker said.


Could you please point out the section of the article where he places any blame for the gridlock on the Republicans?
 
2013-05-26 09:41:38 PM  

namatad: The GOP was taken over by a couple different groups of wackjobs. Teahadists and Bible thumpers.


Also Randroids. Can't forget about them.
 
2013-05-26 09:45:03 PM  

Mrbogey: LoneWolf343: namatad: Center is defined as "the majority of americans"

No, no it doesn't. It's defined as no strong leanings towards left or right.

A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.

Victory through definition.


Ken Mehlman was a liberal plant.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-14-GOP-racial -p olitics_x.htm

And so is Pat Buchanan.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/26/080526fa_fact_packer?c ur rentPage=all

And so was Barry Goldwater.

http://old.nationalreview.com/george/georgeprint071200.html
 
2013-05-26 09:46:14 PM  

edmo: Bob Dole is the last Republican I voted for. Now that it's just right wing religious nuts, I have no use for them.


I was gonna say that.
 
2013-05-26 09:52:37 PM  

fusillade762: namatad: 1) thank you for being the keeper of this list
2) WTF - DOOD - your stupid profile is making me take that FOUNDATION TEST - I LOVE YOU NOW!!

If you find that sort of stuff interesting this is a good book on the subject:

[tomorrowsreflection.com image 329x500]

It's actually what led me to that quiz.


Here's his TED talk on the same subject.
 
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