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(CNN)   You know the GOP has gone completely wheels-off when Bob Dole (R-Bob Dole) says they should be "Closed for Repairs", and declares that Saint Reagan would have no place in today's Republican Party, and says it all on Fox News   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ) divider line
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2013-05-26 04:35:15 PM  
ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!
 
2013-05-26 04:38:20 PM  

born_yesterday: ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!


The GOP won't stop devolving until the only people left are all the pants-shiatting crazies that do nothing but compile lists.

What happens after that will be entertaining to watch!
 
2013-05-26 04:40:20 PM  
I don't pray but if I did I'd say a prayer for his safety
 
2013-05-26 04:42:52 PM  
In fairness, Bob fell on his sword for the party, and was treated fairly shamefully for it.

The party should have taken the loss to Obama the first time around, to evaluate what in the Hells had gone wrong. To look at what their platform, and the base that they were encouraging had cost them. After the last go around, they had another opportunity to re-evaluate, and instead, have tripled down on the stupid that now typifies the party faithful. Yes, I'm looking at the use of TEA Party idiots, Libertarians who conveniently vote Republican consistently, and the Religious Right that overlooks liars, adulterers, usurers, and thieves because they happen to give lip service about homosexuals--unless of course they get caught in a men's stall with one--and on abortion, but are perfectly fine with the death penalty and shooting brown people.

The Republican party should be leading the charge for religious freedom--and by that, that means more than just Christians, but Jews, Muslims and Buddhists and more. It should be leading the charge on marriage equality. It should be leading to parity in the tax code. Historically, the party was environmental issues because we hold our lands for our posterity. And it simply isn't. It isn't, because the leadership has turned to myopic concerns that embraced an election strategy championed by NeoCons who wanted the leadership for themselves, and damn the country, damn the nation, and damn the people, but they were going to see their "ideals" through, no matter how bankrupt the nation would become, how many people had to die overseas, and how devastated the economy would be seeing it through. It is the reason I left the party, because I saw that no amount of voting within the party for "better" candidates would do any good, because the only choices were insane or simply outrageously corrupt. The few sane candidates were marginalized from the get go. The party has lost its way, and at this point, it needs to be put out of its misery, and let the TEA Party idiots and "Libertarians" pick over the bones with the Religious Right, and let something new rise from the ashes while the Idiot Brigade fights for who loves America more...
 
2013-05-26 04:46:27 PM  
The GOP of today has finally become the sort of organization of which Joe McCarthy would be proud.
 
2013-05-26 04:59:49 PM  

gaslight: The GOP of today has finally become the sort of organization of which Joe McCarthy would be proud.


Naw, that's too good for them. I suggest George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Strom Thurmond and Ross Barnett would be proud of the GOP as it is today.
 
2013-05-26 05:09:55 PM  
Perhaps if Bob Dole is recommending you check yourself, you should look into that before you find that yourself has been wrecked.
 
2013-05-26 05:16:14 PM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, Bob fell on his sword for the party, and was treated fairly shamefully for it.

The party should have taken the loss to Obama the first time around, to evaluate what in the Hells had gone wrong. To look at what their platform, and the base that they were encouraging had cost them. After the last go around, they had another opportunity to re-evaluate, and instead, have tripled down on the stupid that now typifies the party faithful. Yes, I'm looking at the use of TEA Party idiots, Libertarians who conveniently vote Republican consistently, and the Religious Right that overlooks liars, adulterers, usurers, and thieves because they happen to give lip service about homosexuals--unless of course they get caught in a men's stall with one--and on abortion, but are perfectly fine with the death penalty and shooting brown people.

The Republican party should be leading the charge for religious freedom--and by that, that means more than just Christians, but Jews, Muslims and Buddhists and more. It should be leading the charge on marriage equality. It should be leading to parity in the tax code. Historically, the party was environmental issues because we hold our lands for our posterity. And it simply isn't. It isn't, because the leadership has turned to myopic concerns that embraced an election strategy championed by NeoCons who wanted the leadership for themselves, and damn the country, damn the nation, and damn the people, but they were going to see their "ideals" through, no matter how bankrupt the nation would become, how many people had to die overseas, and how devastated the economy would be seeing it through. It is the reason I left the party, because I saw that no amount of voting within the party for "better" candidates would do any good, because the only choices were insane or simply outrageously corrupt. The few sane candidates were marginalized from the get go. The party has lost its way, and at this point, it needs to be put out of its misery, and le ...


Sounds like the Democratic Party.
 
2013-05-26 05:17:24 PM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, Bob fell on his sword for the party, and was treated fairly shamefully for it.

The party should have taken the loss to Obama the first time around, to evaluate what in the Hells had gone wrong. To look at what their platform, and the base that they were encouraging had cost them. After the last go around, they had another opportunity to re-evaluate, and instead, have tripled down on the stupid that now typifies the party faithful. Yes, I'm looking at the use of TEA Party idiots, Libertarians who conveniently vote Republican consistently, and the Religious Right that overlooks liars, adulterers, usurers, and thieves because they happen to give lip service about homosexuals--unless of course they get caught in a men's stall with one--and on abortion, but are perfectly fine with the death penalty and shooting brown people.

The Republican party should be leading the charge for religious freedom--and by that, that means more than just Christians, but Jews, Muslims and Buddhists and more. It should be leading the charge on marriage equality. It should be leading to parity in the tax code. Historically, the party was environmental issues because we hold our lands for our posterity. And it simply isn't. It isn't, because the leadership has turned to myopic concerns that embraced an election strategy championed by NeoCons who wanted the leadership for themselves, and damn the country, damn the nation, and damn the people, but they were going to see their "ideals" through, no matter how bankrupt the nation would become, how many people had to die overseas, and how devastated the economy would be seeing it through. It is the reason I left the party, because I saw that no amount of voting within the party for "better" candidates would do any good, because the only choices were insane or simply outrageously corrupt. The few sane candidates were marginalized from the get go. The party has lost its way, and at this point, it needs to be put out of its misery, and le ...


When are you running?
 
2013-05-26 05:24:11 PM  
Well, duh.

When the John Brich Society attempted to take over the GOP in the 80s, the Republicans soundly rejected them as lunatics. Now rebranded as the teabaggers, the GOP leadership has embraced them.
 
2013-05-26 05:27:04 PM  
RINO?
 
2013-05-26 05:41:31 PM  

AirForceVet: gaslight: The GOP of today has finally become the sort of organization of which Joe McCarthy would be proud.

Naw, that's too good for them. I suggest George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Strom Thurmond and Ross Barnett would be proud of the GOP as it is today.


You left out David Duke.
 
2013-05-26 05:56:57 PM  
Yet he still assigned the blame for partisan gridlock on Obama.
 
2013-05-26 05:57:59 PM  
I love how the GOP should be "closed for repairs" but then gridlock is to be blamed on Obama for not properly dealing with the crazy.

/Also, it's weird to go to CNN for Fox News.
 
2013-05-26 06:12:13 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Well, duh.

When the John Brich Society attempted to take over the GOP in the 80s, the Republicans soundly rejected them as lunatics. Now rebranded as the teabaggers, the GOP leadership has embraced them.


THIS
 
2013-05-26 06:12:54 PM  

puffy999: Yet he still assigned the blame for partisan gridlock on Obama.


of course
he isnt a RINO!!!
Only RINO's blame both sides!!

/vote teahadist
 
2013-05-26 06:22:20 PM  
FTFA: "I think one mistake he's made was not getting together more with Congress early on in his first administration. There's nothing like knowing the person you are talking to on the telephone, if you had an opportunity to sit down with that person and visit - not about anything, but just visit."

I don't understand; was he asleep for all of 2009, or just high?
 
2013-05-26 06:33:14 PM  

ib_thinkin: FTFA: "I think one mistake he's made was not getting together more with Congress early on in his first administration. There's nothing like knowing the person you are talking to on the telephone, if you had an opportunity to sit down with that person and visit - not about anything, but just visit."

I don't understand; was he asleep for all of 2009, or just high?


Those rich guys have the best dope, so I would go with stoned to the gills.
 
2013-05-26 06:34:13 PM  

puffy999: Yet he still assigned the blame for partisan gridlock on Obama.




Well, if had stop being so...him! That would solve the problem
 
NFA
2013-05-26 06:37:27 PM  

gaslight: The GOP of today has finally become the sort of organization of which Joe McCarthy would be proud.



Here is a quote from Ann Coulter.

"The myth of "McCarthyism" is the greatest Orwellian fraud of our times. Liberals are fanatical liars, then as now. The portrayal of Sen. Joe McCarthy as a wild-eyed demagogue destroying innocent lives is sheer liberal hobgoblinism. Liberals weren't hiding under the bed during the McCarthy era. They were systematically undermining the nation's ability to defend itself, while waging a bellicose campaign of lies to blacken McCarthy's name. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis. "

She is bat-shiat crazy.
 
2013-05-26 06:51:36 PM  

namatad: AirForceVet: gaslight: The GOP of today has finally become the sort of organization of which Joe McCarthy would be proud.

Naw, that's too good for them. I suggest George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Strom Thurmond and Ross Barnett would be proud of the GOP as it is today.

You left out David Duke.


And Jesse Helms
 
2013-05-26 06:54:05 PM  

Di Atribe: Perhaps if Bob Dole is recommending you check yourself, you should look into that before you find that yourself has been wrecked.


Bob Dole had never been one of the crazies. He's actually known for finding the compromise that we lack these days.
 
2013-05-26 06:54:24 PM  

NFA: gaslight: The GOP of today has finally become the sort of organization of which Joe McCarthy would be proud.


Here is a quote from Ann Coulter.

"The myth of "McCarthyism" is the greatest Orwellian fraud of our times. Liberals are fanatical liars, then as now. The portrayal of Sen. Joe McCarthy as a wild-eyed demagogue destroying innocent lives is sheer liberal hobgoblinism. Liberals weren't hiding under the bed during the McCarthy era. They were systematically undermining the nation's ability to defend itself, while waging a bellicose campaign of lies to blacken McCarthy's name. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis. "

She is bat-shiat crazy.


Less crazy, than a dedicated cheerleader. She is smart enough to realize that is exactly what she is, and pretty much shameless in accepting that role. What is sort of sad about it, is that she is also smart enough to realize that her usefulness is fading, so in order to try to secure a continuing place at the table, she has to crank up the shamelessness up even further. Her looks are not what they used to be, she doesn't have a solid platform to be seen and heard, so when she gets her opportunities, she takes them, because she HAS to prove that she is a good gray mare. Revisionist history? That's OK. Lies and damned lies? That's OK. Demagoguery? Fine so long as it's her side. The crazy HAS to be cranked up, because the audience loses interest fast, and she, simply put, isn't as young as she used to be, and Phylis Schafely's role is the only one she can hope to fill, because she hasn't got some strong husband to trot her around the room. That alone puts her in odd company, because she has to realize that even Rush Limbaugh had a wife, a few times even, and her spinster status means that she has a harder road to hoe than the other Fox Blonds. She doesn't have the hook with values voters immediately, so she has to go them one better. And it is sort of sad. She's smart enough to realize how she's being used, to know that her spotlight has a limited window, and yet, there she goes, hoping to cash a few more checks before she is replaced.
 
2013-05-26 06:59:06 PM  
hubiestubert:

The Republican party should be leading the charge for religious freedom--and by that, that means more than just Christians, but Jews, Muslims and Buddhists and more.

There are those who follow Muhammed, BUT, I've never been one of them....
 
2013-05-26 06:59:07 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

I am not a lib RINO, I am merely exchanging long protein strings. If you can think of a simpler way, I'd like to hear it.
 
2013-05-26 06:59:37 PM  

NFA: gaslight: The GOP of today has finally become the sort of organization of which Joe McCarthy would be proud.


Here is a quote from Ann Coulter.

"The myth of "McCarthyism" is the greatest Orwellian fraud of our times. Liberals are fanatical liars, then as now. The portrayal of Sen. Joe McCarthy as a wild-eyed demagogue destroying innocent lives is sheer liberal hobgoblinism. Liberals weren't hiding under the bed during the McCarthy era. They were systematically undermining the nation's ability to defend itself, while waging a bellicose campaign of lies to blacken McCarthy's name. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis. "

She is bat-shiat crazy.


WOW
that is some grade-A DERP

Why is anyone trying to polish that turd? He is long dead and gone, defending him ... wtf.
 
2013-05-26 07:04:06 PM  
"Closed for repairs"? Alternately...

[simpsonstechnicaldifficultiesPSB]

Dole says Reagan would have been a RINO to today's Republicans?

LOL. Funny cos it's true.
 
2013-05-26 07:04:42 PM  

born_yesterday: ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!


List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefor, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
Reality
Standard and Poor's
Warren Buffet
Lightbulbs
81 CEO's of Major US Corporations
Bob Dole
 
2013-05-26 07:09:09 PM  
BOB DOLE!
 
2013-05-26 07:09:18 PM  

fusillade762: born_yesterday: ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!

List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefor, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
Reality
Standard and Poor's
Warren Buffet
Lightbulbs
81 CEO's of Major US Corporations
Bob Dole


healthpopuli.com

/Add viagra
 
2013-05-26 07:09:24 PM  

born_yesterday: ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!


To-thuh-liiiiissst....

/monotone
 
2013-05-26 07:12:55 PM  
In other news Bob Dole is still alive. I did not know that.
/Never really liked the guy or his policies but he probably was one of the last Republican politicians that I could respect
 
2013-05-26 07:14:17 PM  

markie_farkie: born_yesterday: ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!

The GOP won't stop devolving until the only people left are all the pants-shiatting crazies that do nothing but compile lists.

What happens after that will be entertaining to watch!


We're pretty much there. Outlawing rising ocean levels ring a bell? How about Agenda 21 and 'Creeping Sharia'? These aren't things that just exist out there in the blogosphere, these are actual things that Republican Legislators waste taxpayer dollars on.
 
2013-05-26 07:14:24 PM  

markie_farkie: born_yesterday: ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!

The GOP won't stop devolving until the only people left are all the pants-shiatting crazies that do nothing but compile lists.



And vote, unfortunately.
 
2013-05-26 07:20:37 PM  

born_yesterday: ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!


Don't worry, he tossed this in:
He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

Go fark yourself, Bob.
 
2013-05-26 07:22:52 PM  

namatad: NFA: gaslight: The GOP of today has finally become the sort of organization of which Joe McCarthy would be proud.


Here is a quote from Ann Coulter.

"The myth of "McCarthyism" is the greatest Orwellian fraud of our times. Liberals are fanatical liars, then as now. The portrayal of Sen. Joe McCarthy as a wild-eyed demagogue destroying innocent lives is sheer liberal hobgoblinism. Liberals weren't hiding under the bed during the McCarthy era. They were systematically undermining the nation's ability to defend itself, while waging a bellicose campaign of lies to blacken McCarthy's name. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis. "

She is bat-shiat crazy.

WOW
that is some grade-A DERP

Why is anyone trying to polish that turd? He is long dead and gone, defending him ... wtf.


well this is  coming from a shrill smear merchant  that is  not comfortable  with "his" homosexuality, why do  you think, that he  became a she . Also when, she comes off with the democrats being "mad with syphilis" why does the he-she flick her hair? To me that comes off as somebody with  not a healthybody or, brain  his or herself.
 
2013-05-26 07:24:41 PM  

fusillade762: born_yesterday: ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!

List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefor, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
Reality
Standard and Poor's
Warren Buffet
Lightbulbs
81 CEO's of Major US Corporations
Bob Dole


1) thank you for being the keeper of this list
2) WTF - DOOD - your stupid profile is making me take that FOUNDATION TEST - I LOVE YOU NOW!!

http://www.yourmorals.org/explore.php
 
2013-05-26 07:26:38 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: born_yesterday: ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!

Don't worry, he tossed this in:
He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

Go fark yourself, Bob.


How do you bridge the difference between "Give me everything I want, unconditionally"  and Obama's agenda?
 
2013-05-26 07:27:57 PM  

hubiestubert: <amazing>


Favorites list. What color do you want?
 
2013-05-26 07:33:41 PM  
At one time the GOP for smaller government, fiscal responsibility, and minding your own damn business.  These days they don't see a government program they don't like (unless is a democrat idea), they spend like drunken sailors in a whore house, and you better not be having any fun that they don't approve of, and that goes double for those ickey gheys.
 
2013-05-26 07:35:55 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: In other news Bob Dole is still alive. I did not know that.
/Never really liked the guy or his policies but he probably was one of the last Republican politicians that I could respect


agree completely--I watched the interview this morning, he basically personified self respect. I realized I hadn't felt any respect for any republican in so long, that it was clear the party used to be...way less derpy.
 
2013-05-26 07:41:33 PM  

hubiestubert: that means more than just Christians, but Jews, Muslims and Buddhists and more.


Yep, I'm sure that is going to happen any minute now.

Let's not forget the republicans in Tennessee who threw a fit over a mop drain because they were worried it was some kind of Muslim foot-wash.
 
2013-05-26 07:43:12 PM  
you know what really grinds my gears????  Is that i have to vote Democrat because Republicans are out of their minds.  And i honestly believe that if Republicans actually got their heads out of their asses for a minute and decided to actually come to reality they would be the dominant political party in this nation, but no we're stuck with Democrats
 
2013-05-26 07:47:18 PM  
 
2013-05-26 07:47:37 PM  

TimonC346: tinfoil-hat maggie: In other news Bob Dole is still alive. I did not know that.
/Never really liked the guy or his policies but he probably was one of the last Republican politicians that I could respect

agree completely--I watched the interview this morning, he basically personified self respect. I realized I hadn't felt any respect for any republican in so long, that it was clear the party used to be...way less derpy.


Mhmm
But he lost all of my respect when he refused to stand up and be counted.
He let the party go insane for decades, because he was still thinking about running for prez, or his wife might be on a ticket. Now that those dreams are over, he wakes up?? and blames Obama for not reaching across the aisle?? PLEASE

Did Bob mention any of the clusterfark which happened from 2001-2008 and properly place the blame at Bush 2.0's feet? No? I didnt think so.
 
2013-05-26 07:49:21 PM  
The GOP really should listen to Bob Dole, that man knows how elections are won.
 
2013-05-26 07:53:00 PM  

soia: you know what really grinds my gears????  Is that i have to vote Democrat because Republicans are out of their minds.  And i honestly believe that if Republicans actually got their heads out of their asses for a minute and decided to actually come to reality they would be the dominant political party in this nation, but no we're stuck with Democrats


UM
NO
You vote for the democrats because they have become the centrist party.
Started with Clinton, Algore lost because he was too left, wtf Kerry, and Obama was back to the center.

Center is defined as "the majority of americans" ... as in the majority of americans want: pot legal, gay marriage legal, healthcare for all, government out of our faces, religion out of our faces, abortion to be legal, etc etc etc.

The GOP was taken over by a couple different groups of wackjobs. Teahadists and Bible thumpers.
If you remove the wackjob elements of the GOP's platform, well, you are left with the DEM platform?

/spare me the union speech, esp since unions have been dying for decades.
/spare me the small government speech, unless you can point to a GOP that has cut government overall. which you cant.

so yah, suck it up and get over it, you have become a democrat. sucks to be you, but they have morphed into your party. The other one, the GOP? They are never coming back. Not for 6-20 years at least.
 
2013-05-26 07:53:35 PM  

1derful: The GOP really should listen to Bob Dole, that man knows how elections are won.


<3
 
2013-05-26 07:54:35 PM  

simplicimus: How do you bridge the difference between "Give me everything I want, unconditionally"  and Obama's agenda?


trivially, you ignore them, let them hold their breath until they pass out, and then the adults get together and do the real work
 
2013-05-26 07:57:17 PM  
images.politico.com

38 Republicans walk past a wheelchair bound Bob Dole (on the right) to vote against the US signing onto an international version of the ADA, which was based on the same criteria as the ADA).

The GOP stopped giving a shiat about Dole the minute he stopped being a politcal asset.
 
2013-05-26 07:58:29 PM  
The Republican Party should rebrand as a beam of pure energy.
 
2013-05-26 07:58:44 PM  
It would do them well to split into 2 parties.
 
2013-05-26 07:59:50 PM  
Bob Dole has always been an enigma to me. On one hard, when he was in office, he personified lots of what I didn't like about politics. But after he left office he seemed like a pretty cool guy. He was able to poke fun at himself and showed he has a wicked sense of humor.
 
2013-05-26 08:15:32 PM  

Di Atribe: Perhaps if Bob Dole is recommending you check yourself, you should look into that before you find that yourself has been wreckederect.


See what I did that?

MAN, I'm a card...
 
2013-05-26 08:16:03 PM  

sammyk: Bob Dole had never been one of the crazies. He's actually known for finding the compromise that we lack these days.


Uh huh. That's how I remembered him, too. Then I read this part:

(Dole) assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

And this part:

"I think that the president, he lacks communication skills with his own party, let alone the Republican Party. And he's on the road too much," Dole said, quipping Obama was a "good golfer."

And then I was like "Oh, yeah, now I remember.... you're as much of a lying, Murdoch-licking, partisan a-hole as anyone else in the GOP, willing to whitewash history and put your party before your country at the expense of everything else in the world.

fark Bob Dole.
 
2013-05-26 08:18:58 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Bob Dole has always been an enigma to me. On one hard, when he was in office, he personified lots of what I didn't like about politics. But after he left office he seemed like a pretty cool guy. He was able to poke fun at himself and showed he has a wicked sense of humor.


The guy was supposed to be hysterical, but in a dark way, so it wasn't necessarily fit for public consumption.
Supposedly, he saw Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford and Richard Nixon at a gathering once and said, "It's See No Evil, Hear No Evil, and Evil."
 
2013-05-26 08:18:59 PM  
He still not quite there yet.

"The GOP has gone off the rails." *takes breath* "The gridlock is Obama's fault."
 
2013-05-26 08:20:19 PM  
The GOP will never learn. They would have to admit they are wrong. Thats never going to happen.

All the political drama we have seen lately has been last gasp tactics.

They are ripe to split down the seams...
 
2013-05-26 08:21:56 PM  
i1284.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-26 08:22:03 PM  
Did he pull out a copy of the Holy Tenth Amendment during the interview?
 
2013-05-26 08:24:09 PM  

simplicimus: How do you bridge the difference between "Give me everything I want, unconditionally" and Obama's agenda?


By being full of shiat.

fark you, Bob.  Used to have respect for you.

Basically, his whole interview boils down to "The GOP is all messed up but it's Obama's fault."
 
2013-05-26 08:24:34 PM  
I like Bob Dole.  Amongst politicians, he was unusually decent.

He's biting his tongue here.  He's been worried about the direction of the party for a while, but loyalty has bid him silent.

The GOP needs to go through the restructuring that Democrats went through in the 1980s.  It'll cost them power for a decade, but it will pay off with a stronger party in the 2020s.

- drop the anti-intellectualism: stop denying climate change, evolution
- drop the racial bullshiat
- focus on middle-class economic anxieties, starting with health care and higher education
- expand geographically beyond the South
- focus on making government work more efficiently, not eliminating it
- don't ever say the word "rape", even if it is the appropriate word
- avoid even saying "grape"
- don't even think about saying "nubianrdly"
 
2013-05-26 08:25:44 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Uh huh. That's how I remembered him, too. Then I read this part:

(Dole) assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

And this part:

"I think that the president, he lacks communication skills with his own party, let alone the Republican Party. And he's on the road too much," Dole said, quipping Obama was a "good golfer."

And then I was like "Oh, yeah, now I remember.... you're as much of a lying, Murdoch-licking, partisan a-hole as anyone else in the GOP, willing to whitewash history and put your party before your country at the expense of everything else in the world.

fark Bob Dole.


And that's pretty much it. What Bob Dole is really kvetching about isn't Republican Gridlock, it's the loss of the Republican Moderate. The reality is that large portions of the GOP have always been controlled by John Birch Society race-baiting fascists. But there were always the GOP moderates, like Olympia Snowe or the 1990's versions of Mitt Romney and John McCain, that made the GOP electable by illustrating that not "All" the GOP were completely nuts. GOP Moderates were those the party base can point at to make themselves electable. Heck, even as recently as 2000, W Bush campaigned as a "Compassionate Conservative", and rarely brought up jingoistic patriotism. Not looking like a petty band of pantshiatting bedwetting obstructionist cowards is a good strategy to get elected nationally.

He's right that Reagan would have been "Primaried" out of existence. But Bob Dole doesn't care about fixing the GOP at any level, just it's image. But the one thing Dole is right about is that the current GOP is completely unelectable now and will be for the foreseeable future.
 
2013-05-26 08:28:16 PM  
Where are the Republican shills?
 
2013-05-26 08:30:10 PM  

Delay: Where are the Republican shills?


If your head spins fast enough, depending on what your body does, it either comes off or you get dizzy and pass out. Either way, you're very quiet.
 
2013-05-26 08:31:24 PM  

Captain Dan: I like Bob Dole.  Amongst politicians, he was unusually decent.

He's biting his tongue here.  He's been worried about the direction of the party for a while, but loyalty has bid him silent.

The GOP needs to go through the restructuring that Democrats went through in the 1980s.  It'll cost them power for a decade, but it will pay off with a stronger party in the 2020s.

- drop the anti-intellectualism: stop denying climate change, evolution
- drop the racial bullshiat
- focus on middle-class economic anxieties, starting with health care and higher education
- expand geographically beyond the South
- focus on making government work more efficiently, not eliminating it
- don't ever say the word "rape", even if it is the appropriate word
- avoid even saying "grape"
- don't even think about saying "nubianrdly"


Oh, Fark filter. you slay me.
 
2013-05-26 08:33:15 PM  
adding he too would also have faced challenges

www.womansday.com
 
2013-05-26 08:34:02 PM  
 
2013-05-26 08:38:21 PM  

ampoliros: Delay: Where are the Republican shills?

If your head spins fast enough, depending on what your body does, it either comes off or you get dizzy and pass out. Either way, you're very quiet.


Actually it was a serious question. I'm here in Utah this week, where are all the Republican shills?
 
2013-05-26 08:44:03 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: born_yesterday: ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!

Don't worry, he tossed this in:
He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

Go fark yourself, Bob.


IIRC, Obama tried reaching out, the overwhelming response from the GOP was "fark you and everything you stand for!  We would rather this nation burned to the ground then let you have anything!"

/I wish I was joking...
 
2013-05-26 08:46:07 PM  
Bob went on to say that it's also Obama's fault for not talking to the party that should be closed for repairs.

/Both sides are bad so vote for Viagra.
 
2013-05-26 08:48:28 PM  

Captain Dan: - expand geographically beyond the South


That's not something that you do directly. It's a result of changing your policies to be more modern and sane.
 
2013-05-26 08:51:16 PM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, Bob fell on his sword for the party, and was treated fairly shamefully for it.

The party should have taken the loss to Obama the first time around, to evaluate what in the Hells had gone wrong. To look at what their platform, and the base that they were encouraging had cost them. After the last go around, they had another opportunity to re-evaluate, and instead, have tripled down on the stupid that now typifies the party faithful. Yes, I'm looking at the use of TEA Party idiots, Libertarians who conveniently vote Republican consistently, and the Religious Right that overlooks liars, adulterers, usurers, and thieves because they happen to give lip service about homosexuals--unless of course they get caught in a men's stall with one--and on abortion, but are perfectly fine with the death penalty and shooting brown people.

The Republican party should be leading the charge for religious freedom--and by that, that means more than just Christians, but Jews, Muslims and Buddhists and more. It should be leading the charge on marriage equality. It should be leading to parity in the tax code. Historically, the party was environmental issues because we hold our lands for our posterity. And it simply isn't. It isn't, because the leadership has turned to myopic concerns that embraced an election strategy championed by NeoCons who wanted the leadership for themselves, and damn the country, damn the nation, and damn the people, but they were going to see their "ideals" through, no matter how bankrupt the nation would become, how many people had to die overseas, and how devastated the economy would be seeing it through. It is the reason I left the party, because I saw that no amount of voting within the party for "better" candidates would do any good, because the only choices were insane or simply outrageously corrupt. The few sane candidates were marginalized from the get go. The party has lost its way, and at this point, it needs to be put out of its misery, and le ...


It's stuff like this is why I have you favorited in bright cyan...and have for several years now.
 
2013-05-26 08:51:32 PM  
If anyone reads the article with at least minimal comprehension, you'll see that Bob Dole didn't blame Obama for the gridlock.  He only noted that Obama shared some portion of the blame, without specifying how large a portion.

This is a diplomatic way of saying to his own party, "yes, the other side isn't blameless, but we really need to shape up."
 
2013-05-26 08:54:19 PM  

rev. dave: It would do them well to split into 2 parties.


um - in NO UNIVERSE does that actually help them

if we assume that the people left in the GOP are equally split, they would have little to no political power if they split.

HELL, if the wackjobs only make up 10-20% of the party, losing them is too much, unless they can regain some of the middle which has been lost to the dems.

I dont see the GOPS being willing to sacrifice the short term loss of power, for the long term gain of power in the future.

"most important thing is getting re-elected"
 
2013-05-26 08:56:05 PM  

Captain Dan: If anyone reads the article with at least minimal comprehension, you'll see that Bob Dole didn't blame Obama for the gridlock.  He only noted that Obama shared some portion of the blame, without specifying how large a portion.

This is a diplomatic way of saying to his own party, "yes, the other side isn't blameless, but we really need to shape up."



"He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps. "

so what part of this was unclear?
or are you reading words which are not there?
assigned some part of the blame?

LOL
but go on, tell us how both parties are bad, vote GOP
 
2013-05-26 08:57:55 PM  

namatad: Center is defined as "the majority of americans"


No, no it doesn't. It's defined as no strong leanings towards left or right.
 
2013-05-26 08:59:11 PM  

ambassador_ahab: Let's not forget the republicans in Tennessee who threw a fit over a mop drain because they were worried it was some kind of Muslim foot-wash.


www.mindhuestudio.com
 
2013-05-26 08:59:48 PM  

0Icky0: Bob went on to say that it's also Obama's fault for not talking to the party that should be closed for repairs.

/Both sides are bad so vote for Viagra.


Why not?  That little blue pill can't do any worse than the current lot.
 
2013-05-26 09:01:05 PM  

0Icky0: That's not something that you do directly. It's a result of changing your policies to be more modern and sane.


It's both.  A party can remain conservative nationally while encouraging more moderate voices in bluer districts.  Republicans need to clarify to their voters that a Massachusetts Republican who agrees with 30% of their agenda is better than a Massachusetts Democrat who agrees with 5%.

That should be obvious, but the party currently doesn't act towards that goal.  Their primary/caucus system allows very conservative minorities to dictate unelectable candidates.  The party needs to either disband primaries or dilute their influence.
 
2013-05-26 09:01:55 PM  

LoneWolf343: namatad: Center is defined as "the majority of americans"

No, no it doesn't. It's defined as no strong leanings towards left or right.


A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.

Victory through definition.
 
2013-05-26 09:04:47 PM  

Delay: ampoliros: Delay: Where are the Republican shills?

If your head spins fast enough, depending on what your body does, it either comes off or you get dizzy and pass out. Either way, you're very quiet.

Actually it was a serious question. I'm here in Utah this week, where are all the Republican shills?


I think there's a NASCAR race on.
 
2013-05-26 09:10:53 PM  

puffy999: Yet he still assigned the blame for partisan gridlock on Obama.


Voted this smart, but Fark sure needs a sad tag as well as funny, cause this is true and sad so very sad.
 
2013-05-26 09:11:19 PM  

The Lone Gunman: Di Atribe: Perhaps if Bob Dole is recommending you check yourself, you should look into that before you find that yourself has been wreckederect.

See what I did that?

MAN, I'm a card...


Well I laughed, if that means anything. :)
 
2013-05-26 09:12:26 PM  
FTA: Instead of operating day-to-day in a nonelection year, the national party should focus on broader plans to rehabilitate itself after the losses of 2012...

He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama...


Wait, is this another Republican suggesting that the GOP not focus on, you know, their actual job as members of congress?

And then on top of that blaming Obama that nothing gets done?

MAXIMUM TROLLING dot jpeg!!!
 
2013-05-26 09:13:39 PM  

namatad: "He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps. "

so what part of this was unclear?
or are you reading words which are not there?
assigned some part of the blame?


There's a difference between "assigned blame" and "assigned exclusive blame."  For example: it's a failing of yours to not understand this difference.  But your teachers also deserve blame.

Here's the full quote, in which Dole "blames Obama":

"I'm not a critic of the president, but I think one mistake he's made was not getting together more with Congress earlier on, in his first administration."  Link
 
2013-05-26 09:13:46 PM  
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."


Yeah.....It's Obama's fault for not bridging that gap. fark you, Bob.
 
2013-05-26 09:16:51 PM  
Bob Dole is the last Republican I voted for. Now that it's just right wing religious nuts, I have no use for them.
 
2013-05-26 09:24:24 PM  

rev. dave: It would do them well to split into 2 parties.


Or maybe three
The Christians
The Randoids
The Republican Establishment aka the corporate Republicans
 
2013-05-26 09:24:54 PM  

gaslight: The GOP of today has finally become the sort of organization of which Joe McCarthy would be proud.


==================

You think Joe McCarthy would be comfortable with the US being a trillion dollars in debt to Red China?
 
2013-05-26 09:27:34 PM  
Another segment to shove down the memory hole.
 
2013-05-26 09:27:51 PM  

Mrbogey: A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.


How else would you define "right-wing"?
 
2013-05-26 09:28:18 PM  

Mrbogey: LoneWolf343: namatad: Center is defined as "the majority of americans"

No, no it doesn't. It's defined as no strong leanings towards left or right.

A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.

Victory through definition.


Actually, a lot of people on the right complain that their party is too caught up in racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.  But I guess they're just RINOs. . .

/A good one to check is Christopher Caldwell's "The Southern Captivity of the GOP," which was written back in 1998.
 
2013-05-26 09:30:31 PM  

namatad: Captain Dan: If anyone reads the article with at least minimal comprehension, you'll see that Bob Dole didn't blame Obama for the gridlock.  He only noted that Obama shared some portion of the blame, without specifying how large a portion.

This is a diplomatic way of saying to his own party, "yes, the other side isn't blameless, but we really need to shape up."


"He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps. "

so what part of this was unclear?
or are you reading words which are not there?
assigned some part of the blame?

LOL
but go on, tell us how both parties are bad, vote GOP


Keep in mind, Lt. Dan thinks that Obama is further to the left of Che and that James O'Keefe is a great American hero.
 
2013-05-26 09:36:41 PM  

namatad: 1) thank you for being the keeper of this list
2) WTF - DOOD - your stupid profile is making me take that FOUNDATION TEST - I LOVE YOU NOW!!


If you find that sort of stuff interesting this is a good book on the subject:

tomorrowsreflection.com

It's actually what led me to that quiz.
 
2013-05-26 09:39:55 PM  

Captain Dan: If anyone reads the article with at least minimal comprehension, you'll see that Bob Dole didn't blame Obama for the gridlock.  He only noted that Obama shared some portion of the blame, without specifying how large a portion.

This is a diplomatic way of saying to his own party, "yes, the other side isn't blameless, but we really need to shape up."


Okay let's look at the part about Obama

He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.
"I think that the president, he lacks communication skills with his own party, let alone the Republican Party. And he's on the road too much," Dole said, quipping Obama was a "good golfer."



Now if you want to be charitable you could read 'he also assigned blame' to mean that he was assigning some blame to Obama as well as to the Republicans, but going back through the previous sections of the article he doesn't blame the Republicans for the gridlock, he only says that the Republicans should rehab their image, in fact he says they should not do any governing but work on the more important goal of rehabbing the image of the GOP

Instead of operating day-to-day in a nonelection year, the national party should focus on broader plans to rehabilitate itself after the losses of 2012, the former Kansas lawmaker said.


Could you please point out the section of the article where he places any blame for the gridlock on the Republicans?
 
2013-05-26 09:41:38 PM  

namatad: The GOP was taken over by a couple different groups of wackjobs. Teahadists and Bible thumpers.


Also Randroids. Can't forget about them.
 
2013-05-26 09:45:03 PM  

Mrbogey: LoneWolf343: namatad: Center is defined as "the majority of americans"

No, no it doesn't. It's defined as no strong leanings towards left or right.

A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.

Victory through definition.


Ken Mehlman was a liberal plant.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-14-GOP-racial -p olitics_x.htm

And so is Pat Buchanan.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/26/080526fa_fact_packer?c ur rentPage=all

And so was Barry Goldwater.

http://old.nationalreview.com/george/georgeprint071200.html
 
2013-05-26 09:46:14 PM  

edmo: Bob Dole is the last Republican I voted for. Now that it's just right wing religious nuts, I have no use for them.


I was gonna say that.
 
2013-05-26 09:52:37 PM  

fusillade762: namatad: 1) thank you for being the keeper of this list
2) WTF - DOOD - your stupid profile is making me take that FOUNDATION TEST - I LOVE YOU NOW!!

If you find that sort of stuff interesting this is a good book on the subject:

[tomorrowsreflection.com image 329x500]

It's actually what led me to that quiz.


Here's his TED talk on the same subject.
 
2013-05-26 09:55:03 PM  
Anyone getting a kick out of this hasn't realized the assholes have won. I'm not talking about Republicans either, I'm talking about the moneyed people that have backed them for 30 years. Sure teh Republican party has lost luster and have trouble on a national stage but the interests of the powers behind the throne have succeeded greatly. The 1% have drug the country so far to the right that the "most liberal lib ti have ever libbed" is really a center right Reagan type Republican.
 
2013-05-26 09:59:06 PM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, Bob fell on his sword for the party, and was treated fairly shamefully for it.

The party should have taken the loss to Obama the first time around, to evaluate what in the Hells had gone wrong. To look at what their platform, and the base that they were encouraging had cost them. After the last go around, they had another opportunity to re-evaluate, and instead, have tripled down on the stupid that now typifies the party faithful. Yes, I'm looking at the use of TEA Party idiots, Libertarians who conveniently vote Republican consistently, and the Religious Right that overlooks liars, adulterers, usurers, and thieves because they happen to give lip service about homosexuals--unless of course they get caught in a men's stall with one--and on abortion, but are perfectly fine with the death penalty and shooting brown people.

The Republican party should be leading the charge for religious freedom--and by that, that means more than just Christians, but Jews, Muslims and Buddhists and more. It should be leading the charge on marriage equality. It should be leading to parity in the tax code. Historically, the party was environmental issues because we hold our lands for our posterity. And it simply isn't. It isn't, because the leadership has turned to myopic concerns that embraced an election strategy championed by NeoCons who wanted the leadership for themselves, and damn the country, damn the nation, and damn the people, but they were going to see their "ideals" through, no matter how bankrupt the nation would become, how many people had to die overseas, and how devastated the economy would be seeing it through. It is the reason I left the party, because I saw that no amount of voting within the party for "better" candidates would do any good, because the only choices were insane or simply outrageously corrupt. The few sane candidates were marginalized from the get go. The party has lost its way, and at this point, it needs to be put out of its misery, and le ...


The very core tenant of conservatism is to resist change. To do what has always worked. So it's no surprise that they aren't changing and doing what has always worked.
 
2013-05-26 10:00:43 PM  

spongeboob: Could you please point out the section of the article where he places any blame for the gridlock on the Republicans?


Here's a transcript of what Dole actually said.

"It seems to be almost unreal that we can't get together on a budget or legislation. I mean, we weren't perfect by a long shot, but at least we got our work done."

"I'm not a critic of the president, but I think one mistake he's made was not getting together more with Congress earlier on, in his first administration. There's nothing like knowing the person you're talking to on the telephone if you've had an opportunity to sit down with that person and visit, not about anything, but just visit."

"I think they [Republicans] ought to put a sign on the national committee doors that says closed for repairs until New Year's Day next year and spend that time going over ideas and positive agendas."

"I doubt [I could make it in today's GOP]. And I -- Reagan wouldn't have made it. Certainly Nixon couldn't have made it, because he had ideas and, we might have made it, but I doubt it."
 
2013-05-26 10:04:47 PM  

Mrbogey: LoneWolf343: namatad: Center is defined as "the majority of americans"

No, no it doesn't. It's defined as no strong leanings towards left or right.

A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.

Victory through definition.


You are not going to sit here and talk about "victory through definition" when the right-wing has spent decades making "liberal" a swear word.
 
2013-05-26 10:11:50 PM  

propasaurus: The few sane candidates were marginalized from the get go. The party has lost its way, and at this point, it needs to be put out of its misery, and le ...

When are you running?


Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?
 
2013-05-26 10:13:32 PM  
FTA: He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

Really?

images59.fotki.com
 
2013-05-26 10:14:24 PM  
Eh. He'll just get his equally retarded friends to scrub all the evidence. It's a shame the farktards are the ones running the place.
 
2013-05-26 10:16:01 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: In other news Bob Dole is still alive. I did not know that.
/Never really liked the guy or his policies but he probably was one of the last Republican politicians that I could respect


He and Elizabeth were trying to whip votes on the Senate floor for the Disabilities Treaty a few months back. They lost to the frothy wing of the party. Yes, Rick Santorum was pushing hard against it, because the UN was going to start stealing your children or something.
 
2013-05-26 10:16:21 PM  

cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?


No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.
 
2013-05-26 10:16:52 PM  

puffy999: Yet he still assigned the blame for partisan gridlock on Obama.


I've noticed that no matter how reasonable the Republican, they can't help but blame the partisan gridlock on both sides.

Susan Collins of Maine came to talk at my Polysci 101 class at UVA and she said that obstructionism in the Senate was higher than it ever was, but the Democratic majority was hostile to Republican complaints about the bills and bullying them with procedural tricks also.

She did blame the real start of a lack of civility in the Senate on a phenomenon that started fairly recently. She said Lincoln Chaffee told her never to campaign against a colleague because the Senate is too close-knit for that to do anything but create problems, but this century has seen a lot of that going on, and in her opinion, that was a huge part of the downfall of cooperation in the Senate.

(If there was ever a Republican in the last 10 years who DESERVED reelection, it was Lincoln Chaffee.)
 
2013-05-26 10:18:42 PM  

invictus2: why do  you think, that he  became a she


She said "Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side"
 
2013-05-26 10:20:55 PM  

Dinjiin: FTA: He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

Really?

[images59.fotki.com image 512x409]


The funny thing is that the Heritage Foundation basically confirmed it's what happened with Obamacare. In an editorial protesting that Obamacare was not a conservative principle, they said that they wrote it in the early '90s in response to Hillarycare, a compromise (THEIR WORDS). So when Obama stepped up and said, "I'll take that compromise! Let's go!" Heritage admitted that conservatives backed off.

Of course, they didn't REALIZE that's what they were admitting to, but there you have it.
 
2013-05-26 10:22:53 PM  

Captain Dan: Satanic_Hamster: <---- keeps notes

See, just because there's hundreds of troll account alts on here, we still have ways to remember previous bouts of idiocy or bullshiat.

If you find one quote of me saying either thing, I'll promote you to TotalFark.  If you can't, you change your profile header to "I, Satanic_Hamster, am a bloviating shiatheel."  Deal?


Oh noes, a weird knave / troll might think less of me, oh woah is me.

And anyone who directly gives Fark money is just rewarding the troll accounts.
 
2013-05-26 10:24:20 PM  

hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.


I left the GOP in 2004 and joined the Democratic Party in 2008. I found that I really HAVE been able to have some influence, though sometimes it's absurdly frustrating. (Witnessing the sausages get made is truly a thing to behold. But when people talk about the two parties being the same, they're completely insane.)
 
2013-05-26 10:27:26 PM  

namatad: soia: you know what really grinds my gears????  Is that i have to vote Democrat because Republicans are out of their minds.  And i honestly believe that if Republicans actually got their heads out of their asses for a minute and decided to actually come to reality they would be the dominant political party in this nation, but no we're stuck with Democrats

UM
NO
You vote for the democrats because they have become the centrist party.
Started with Clinton, Algore lost because he was too left, wtf Kerry, and Obama was back to the center.

Center is defined as "the majority of americans" ... as in the majority of americans want: pot legal, gay marriage legal, healthcare for all, government out of our faces, religion out of our faces, abortion to be legal, etc etc etc.

The GOP was taken over by a couple different groups of wackjobs. Teahadists and Bible thumpers.
If you remove the wackjob elements of the GOP's platform, well, you are left with the DEM platform?

/spare me the union speech, esp since unions have been dying for decades.
/spare me the small government speech, unless you can point to a GOP that has cut government overall. which you cant.

so yah, suck it up and get over it, you have become a democrat. sucks to be you, but they have morphed into your party. The other one, the GOP? They are never coming back. Not for 6-20 years at least.


Somehow I don't think you can break this all down in these little talking points everyone tries to trump out, it just makes people wish they were right and there are a lot of people here who wish they are right
 
2013-05-26 10:29:22 PM  

namatad: Algore lost because he was too left


Most of the independents I know who voted against Gore did so because they were turned off by the Clinton administration by 2000. Then again, I lived inside the DC reality-distortion field then, so that may have been a regional phenomenon.
 
2013-05-26 10:32:01 PM  
He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

And where precisely would Mr. Dole propose to start building a bridge to crazyland?
 
2013-05-26 10:32:57 PM  

hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.


Well just know you are awesome in my book and hell yea I'd vote for you.

/I never did like the way it always felt back in the day, and still does you like the 2nd amendment vote republican you like having government funded safety nets for the poor ... etc...
Well, back in the day it always seemed they drew issues out of a hat but these days well some people are playing with a limited deck.
 
2013-05-26 10:35:22 PM  

theorellior: Mrbogey: A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.

How else would you define "right-wing"?


Generally? Nationalist, decentralized economic planning, and anti-coercive collectivism.

HeartBurnKid: You are not going to sit here and talk about "victory through definition" when the right-wing has spent decades making "liberal" a swear word.


Conservatives didn't make it a swear word. "Liberals" made it a swear word by loosely using it to define anything left-wing. When you allow "crap" to be called "liberal", "crap" doesn't start looking liberal. Instead "liberal" starts looking like crap.

All because Socialists and Communists didn't want to refer to themselves as such. Blame them for hijacking the word and dirtying it up.
 
2013-05-26 10:37:26 PM  

Captain Dan: I like Bob Dole.  Amongst politicians, he was unusually decent.

He's biting his tongue here.  He's been worried about the direction of the party for a while, but loyalty has bid him silent.

The GOP needs to go through the restructuring that Democrats went through in the 1980s.  It'll cost them power for a decade, but it will pay off with a stronger party in the 2020s.

- drop the anti-intellectualism: stop denying climate change, evolution
- drop the racial bullshiat
- focus on middle-class economic anxieties, starting with health care and higher education
- expand geographically beyond the South
- focus on making government work more efficiently, not eliminating it
- don't ever say the word "rape", even if it is the appropriate word
- avoid even saying "grape"
- don't even think about saying "nubianrdly"


The things you mention are what keeps them in power. I don't know the percentage of Republicans who secretly despise the things they say at a podium, but I would bet a majority of them do. Milking the public by appealing to base fears and prejudices is hardly new. But that's what sells when you don't have an actual plan or stated policy to fix your constituents' woes. Said constituents will continue to suffer but hey, at least them f*gs aren't getting married, right?
 
2013-05-26 10:51:04 PM  

dickfreckle: Captain Dan: I like Bob Dole.  Amongst politicians, he was unusually decent.

He's biting his tongue here.  He's been worried about the direction of the party for a while, but loyalty has bid him silent.

The GOP needs to go through the restructuring that Democrats went through in the 1980s.  It'll cost them power for a decade, but it will pay off with a stronger party in the 2020s.

- drop the anti-intellectualism: stop denying climate change, evolution
- drop the racial bullshiat
- focus on middle-class economic anxieties, starting with health care and higher education
- expand geographically beyond the South
- focus on making government work more efficiently, not eliminating it
- don't ever say the word "rape", even if it is the appropriate word
- avoid even saying "grape"
- don't even think about saying "nubianrdly"

The things you mention are what keeps them in power. I don't know the percentage of Republicans who secretly despise the things they say at a podium, but I would bet a majority of them do. Milking the public by appealing to base fears and prejudices is hardly new. But that's what sells when you don't have an actual plan or stated policy to fix your constituents' woes. Said constituents will continue to suffer but hey, at least them f*gs aren't getting married, right?


It *used* to keep them in power. If they don't do something about their demographic shiat, they're not going to win the presidency unless the Democratic Party nominates Jeanine Garafalo for president.

They will, however, keep the House for at least another 7 years. They might even take the Senate. But slowly they're losing traditionally red states. VA won't elect a non-incumbent GOP Senator (of which there are currently none) after about 2016. Missouri will start falling Democratic in presidential elections more often than not starting in about 2020. NC too.

There's time for the DNC to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, though.
 
2013-05-26 10:54:26 PM  

Captain Dan: - don't even think about saying "nubianrdly"


I'm not a Republican, but I'm not going to even think about TRYING to say "nubianrdly." But then I've always been one to call a spade, a spade.

/aisle seat, please
 
2013-05-26 10:58:17 PM  
Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.
 
2013-05-26 11:03:12 PM  
Not extensively, but....I campaigned for this guy.

less than 20 years later, i'm apparently a socialist communist.

i'm thinking you may have missed the point, Bob. It aint about Barry.
 
2013-05-26 11:03:13 PM  

whidbey: Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.


Yea, pretty much.
/Truthfully I think both parties are farked since there are no real liberals anymore but oh well.
 
2013-05-26 11:08:21 PM  

whidbey: Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.


I remember in 1996 he was a more conservative choice, just left of Buchanan. Now he's a RINO. His views haven't changed, except perhaps on the ADA, since Republicans have a knack for caring about social issues once they are affected by them and not before. (No WONDER they think liberals are grabby, selfish, and gimme gimme gimme all the time. It's because that's how THEY are and they just assume everyone is like that. Sorry - I'm being cynical about the modern GOP.)
 
2013-05-26 11:10:14 PM  

dickfreckle: The things you mention are what keeps them in power.


Not the kind of power that can pass an agenda.  Political parties don't exist to represent people, or to be nice; they exist to pass agendas.  Republican powerbrokers are sensing that their interests will not be served by the current iteration of the GOP; hence, it will change.
 
2013-05-26 11:11:03 PM  

vygramul: dickfreckle: Captain Dan: I like Bob Dole.  Amongst politicians, he was unusually decent.

He's biting his tongue here.  He's been worried about the direction of the party for a while, but loyalty has bid him silent.

The GOP needs to go through the restructuring that Democrats went through in the 1980s.  It'll cost them power for a decade, but it will pay off with a stronger party in the 2020s.

- drop the anti-intellectualism: stop denying climate change, evolution
- drop the racial bullshiat
- focus on middle-class economic anxieties, starting with health care and higher education
- expand geographically beyond the South
- focus on making government work more efficiently, not eliminating it
- don't ever say the word "rape", even if it is the appropriate word
- avoid even saying "grape"
- don't even think about saying "nubianrdly"

The things you mention are what keeps them in power. I don't know the percentage of Republicans who secretly despise the things they say at a podium, but I would bet a majority of them do. Milking the public by appealing to base fears and prejudices is hardly new. But that's what sells when you don't have an actual plan or stated policy to fix your constituents' woes. Said constituents will continue to suffer but hey, at least them f*gs aren't getting married, right?

It *used* to keep them in power. If they don't do something about their demographic shiat, they're not going to win the presidency unless the Democratic Party nominates Jeanine Garafalo for president.

They will, however, keep the House for at least another 7 years. They might even take the Senate. But slowly they're losing traditionally red states. VA won't elect a non-incumbent GOP Senator (of which there are currently none) after about 2016. Missouri will start falling Democratic in presidential elections more often than not starting in about 2020. NC too.

There's time for the DNC to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, though.


As a native of MO, sadly, it will not become blue by 2020. IMO, GA (where I live now) has a slightly better chance to achieve that goal.
 
2013-05-26 11:11:24 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: whidbey: Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.

Yea, pretty much.
/Truthfully I think both parties are farked since there are no real liberals anymore but oh well.


Honestly, Senators and Congressmen are only as liberal or conservative as the loudest voices.

And right now, it's 100% legal protected free speech for the loudest voice to be made up of shiat-tons of money, screaming for its maintenance beer.
 
2013-05-26 11:15:17 PM  

whidbey: tinfoil-hat maggie: whidbey: Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.

Yea, pretty much.
/Truthfully I think both parties are farked since there are no real liberals anymore but oh well.

Honestly, Senators and Congressmen are only as liberal or conservative as the loudest voices.

And right now, it's 100% legal protected free speech for the loudest voice to be made up of shiat-tons of money, screaming for its maintenance beer.


Wait a minute maintenance beer sounds like a good thing : )
 
2013-05-26 11:19:00 PM  

JAGChem82: As a native of MO, sadly, it will not become blue by 2020. IMO, GA (where I live now) has a slightly better chance to achieve that goal.


Obama only missed MO by less than 4000 votes in 2008. GA was never that close.
 
2013-05-26 11:20:50 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.

Well just know you are awesome in my book and hell yea I'd vote for you.

/I never did like the way it always felt back in the day, and still does you like the 2nd amendment vote republican you like having government funded safety nets for the poor ... etc...
Well, back in the day it always seemed they drew issues out of a hat but these days well some people are playing with a limited deck.


Thanks to Fark and TorD back in the day, I fear that my life expectancy as a candidate would be only a few Google searches away from scandal. Though, at least I wasn't married and carrying on with an intern, so maybe I could call it "youthful shenanigans." ;)
 
2013-05-26 11:22:05 PM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, Bob fell on his sword for the party, and was treated fairly shamefully for it.

The party should have taken the loss to Obama the first time around, to evaluate what in the Hells had gone wrong. To look at what their platform, and the base that they were encouraging had cost them. After the last go around, they had another opportunity to re-evaluate, and instead, have tripled down on the stupid that now typifies the party faithful. Yes, I'm looking at the use of TEA Party idiots, Libertarians who conveniently vote Republican consistently, and the Religious Right that overlooks liars, adulterers, usurers, and thieves because they happen to give lip service about homosexuals--unless of course they get caught in a men's stall with one--and on abortion, but are perfectly fine with the death penalty and shooting brown people.

The Republican party should be leading the charge for religious freedom--and by that, that means more than just Christians, but Jews, Muslims and Buddhists and more. It should be leading the charge on marriage equality. It should be leading to parity in the tax code. Historically, the party was environmental issues because we hold our lands for our posterity. And it simply isn't. It isn't, because the leadership has turned to myopic concerns that embraced an election strategy championed by NeoCons who wanted the leadership for themselves, and damn the country, damn the nation, and damn the people, but they were going to see their "ideals" through, no matter how bankrupt the nation would become, how many people had to die overseas, and how devastated the economy would be seeing it through. It is the reason I left the party, because I saw that no amount of voting within the party for "better" candidates would do any good, because the only choices were insane or simply outrageously corrupt. The few sane candidates were marginalized from the get go. The party has lost its way, and at this point, it needs to be put out of its misery, and let the TEA Party idiots and "Libertarians" pick over the bones with the Religious Right, and let something new rise from the ashes while the Idiot Brigade fights for who loves America more...


Welcome to the future, Mr Time Traveler from yester year. I'm 42, and I can't recall a single solitary damn day of my life where any of that has been true of the GOP.
 
2013-05-26 11:29:40 PM  

hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.

Well just know you are awesome in my book and hell yea I'd vote for you.

/I never did like the way it always felt back in the day, and still does you like the 2nd amendment vote republican you like having government funded safety nets for the poor ... etc...
Well, back in the day it always seemed they drew issues out of a hat but these days well some people are playing with a limited deck.

Thanks to Fark and TorD back in the day, I fear that my life expectancy as a candidate would be only a few Google searches away from scandal. Though, at least I wasn't married and carrying on with an intern, so maybe I could call it "youthful shenanigans." ;)


Just keep your fark handle in your pants, and any issues that might arise will stay small. If it grows into a scandal, all of fark will be behind you, ready to spear your opponent.

\I'm a bit tipsy.
 
2013-05-26 11:29:56 PM  

hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.

Well just know you are awesome in my book and hell yea I'd vote for you.

/I never did like the way it always felt back in the day, and still does you like the 2nd amendment vote republican you like having government funded safety nets for the poor ... etc...
Well, back in the day it always seemed they drew issues out of a hat but these days well some people are playing with a limited deck.

Thanks to Fark and TorD back in the day, I fear that my life expectancy as a candidate would be only a few Google searches away from scandal. Though, at least I wasn't married and carrying on with an intern, so maybe I could call it "youthful shenanigans." ;)


Dude, no way, you just post some of those hot pinup girls and well you're in : )
 
2013-05-26 11:30:11 PM  

rev. dave: It would do them well to split into 2 parties.


It would do us all much better if the GOP dissolved into nothingness and the Democratic Party split into two parties.
 
2013-05-26 11:31:00 PM  

vygramul: JAGChem82: As a native of MO, sadly, it will not become blue by 2020. IMO, GA (where I live now) has a slightly better chance to achieve that goal.

Obama only missed MO by less than 4000 votes in 2008. GA was never that close.


True, but Obama lost GA by single digits both years; he did substantially worse in MO in losing by 10%. It's the only state in the Midwest he never won (at least my definition of the Midwest), and the cities in MO aren't getting any bigger. At least GA has Atlanta and it's transplants going for it in the
future. The populations of STL and KC have shrunk considerably, and that is the only way for Democrats to win the state overall.
 
2013-05-26 11:33:15 PM  

markie_farkie: born_yesterday: ADD HIM TO THE LIST!!!!

The GOP won't stop devolving until the only people left are all the pants-shiatting crazies that do nothing but compile lists.

What happens after that will be entertaining to watch!


Can you BELIEVE when it's down to just the last two "True Repubs"...and then one of them says something even the tiniest bit centrist and...THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!
 
2013-05-26 11:34:48 PM  
Wow, don't ask me to diagram that sentence.

Let's go with "Can you IMAGINE what will happen when..."

/maybe "Can you WAIT too see what happens when..."
 
2013-05-26 11:43:43 PM  

JAGChem82: vygramul: JAGChem82: As a native of MO, sadly, it will not become blue by 2020. IMO, GA (where I live now) has a slightly better chance to achieve that goal.

Obama only missed MO by less than 4000 votes in 2008. GA was never that close.

True, but Obama lost GA by single digits both years; he did substantially worse in MO in losing by 10%. It's the only state in the Midwest he never won (at least my definition of the Midwest), and the cities in MO aren't getting any bigger. At least GA has Atlanta and it's transplants going for it in the
future. The populations of STL and KC have shrunk considerably, and that is the only way for Democrats to win the state overall.


I thought Alabama would be bluer this last election due to the transplants and some of the local laws passed but it held about the same. But living in cities in those states doesn't really give you a clue what's going on right outside them.
I mean thishappens not so far away
 
2013-05-26 11:44:12 PM  

Bane of Broone: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."


Yeah.....It's Obama's fault for not bridging that gap. fark you, Bob.


This is maybe the Right-Wing media's talking point that I find MOST irritating. Like the other stuff is whatever, it's politicking and BSing, but this one? This one is just...demonstrable lunacy. Like they can't even own THEIR OWN actions.
 
2013-05-26 11:49:54 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Well, duh.

When the John Brich Society attempted to take over the GOP in the 80s, the Republicans soundly rejected them as lunatics. Now rebranded as the teabaggers, the GOP leadership has embraced them.


When the Tea Party first emerged with the message of "reduced spending and reduced taxes", I was interested, but knew better than to jump right in and join up.  Sure enough, within a year the derp kicked in as the fundies took over.

How about combining that message with the Occupy message of "big business has too much say in our political process"?  They aren't mutually exclusive.  In fact, they are complimentary.
 
2013-05-26 11:53:51 PM  

Dinjiin: FTA: He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

Really?

[images59.fotki.com image 512x409]


When Obama first took office as President, some republicans asked to meet with him to work out some differences.  He responded with, "I won."  That isn't exactly reaching out.  Not that the GOP has been any better since then.  Our government as evolved into a bunch of preschoolers fighting over the best toys and there are no adults around to put them on a time out.
 
2013-05-27 12:02:37 AM  

cptjeff: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.

Well just know you are awesome in my book and hell yea I'd vote for you.

/I never did like the way it always felt back in the day, and still does you like the 2nd amendment vote republican you like having government funded safety nets for the poor ... etc...
Well, back in the day it always seemed they drew issues out of a hat but these days well some people are playing with a limited deck.

Thanks to Fark and TorD back in the day, I fear that my life expectancy as a candidate would be only a few Google searches away from scandal. Though, at least I wasn't married and carrying on with an intern, so maybe I could call it "youthful shenanigans." ;)

Just keep your fark handle in your pants, and any issues that might arise will stay small. If it grows into a scandal, all of fark will be behind you, ready to spear your opponent.

\I'm a bit tipsy.


I do pity da fool that gets in the way of the first Farkistani Mayor or Governor...

Peeps goin' to Photoshop mercilessly...
 
2013-05-27 12:05:33 AM  
LOL, the best thing for this country's political landscape would for the GOP to collapse and a couple of parties to come out of it. Nothing good happens when greedy capitalist Randians team up with crazy and ignorant religious socially conservative nuts.
 
2013-05-27 12:05:55 AM  

vygramul: Most of the independents I know who voted against Gore did so because they were turned off by the Clinton administration by 2000.


Well, the blood spilled by that decision is on their hands as much as every rabid Republican who thought Dubya was the new and great conservator of conservatism instead of the Cheney hand puppet he ended up being.
/wastrel son of a psychopathic family.
 
2013-05-27 12:09:28 AM  

OgreMagi: At one time the GOP for smaller government, fiscal responsibility, and minding your own damn business.  These days they don't see a government program they don't like (unless is a democrat idea), they spend like drunken sailors in a whore house, and you better not be having any fun that they don't approve of, and that goes double for those ickey gheys.


But in that other thread, I was just getting comfortable with the idea of not liking you.
 
2013-05-27 12:09:49 AM  

TheJoe03: LOL, the best thing for this country's political landscape would for the GOP to collapse and a couple of parties to come out of it. Nothing good happens when greedy capitalist Randians team up with crazy and ignorant religious socially conservative nuts.


There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism
 
2013-05-27 12:12:45 AM  

OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism


Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.
 
2013-05-27 12:14:20 AM  

TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.


Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.
 
2013-05-27 12:14:38 AM  

OgreMagi: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Well, duh.

When the John Brich Society attempted to take over the GOP in the 80s, the Republicans soundly rejected them as lunatics. Now rebranded as the teabaggers, the GOP leadership has embraced them.

When the Tea Party first emerged with the message of "reduced spending and reduced taxes", I was interested, but knew better than to jump right in and join up.  Sure enough, within a year the derp kicked in as the fundies took over.

How about combining that message with the Occupy message of "big business has too much say in our political process"?  They aren't mutually exclusive.  In fact, they are complimentary.


Every person who supported the Tea Party because they actually believed in any sort of fiscal responsibility as opposed to wanting to steal even more from the working class was, I am sure, involved in Occupy. I am also sure all three of them were solid activists.
 
2013-05-27 12:15:01 AM  

OgreMagi: When the Tea Party first emerged with the message of "reduced spending and reduced taxes", I was interested, but knew better than to jump right in and join up. Sure enough, within a year the derp kicked in as the fundies took over.


I had written them off within a moth, after one of their leaders came out with the "inflation is a tax" line.
 
2013-05-27 12:22:07 AM  

OgreMagi: Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.


I wouldn't call them honest, they wrap it up in bullshiat religious and nativist rhetoric so working class people will vote for them.
 
2013-05-27 12:35:10 AM  

hubiestubert: cptjeff: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: cptjeff: Does hubiestubert even identify as a Republican anymore?

No. I voted in the last Primary, and then changed to Independent. I hung in there longer than I probably should have, but I wanted to believe that we could change the course of the party. I failed, and so did the rest of the party in this.

Well just know you are awesome in my book and hell yea I'd vote for you.

/I never did like the way it always felt back in the day, and still does you like the 2nd amendment vote republican you like having government funded safety nets for the poor ... etc...
Well, back in the day it always seemed they drew issues out of a hat but these days well some people are playing with a limited deck.

Thanks to Fark and TorD back in the day, I fear that my life expectancy as a candidate would be only a few Google searches away from scandal. Though, at least I wasn't married and carrying on with an intern, so maybe I could call it "youthful shenanigans." ;)

Just keep your fark handle in your pants, and any issues that might arise will stay small. If it grows into a scandal, all of fark will be behind you, ready to spear your opponent.

\I'm a bit tipsy.

I do pity da fool that gets in the way of the first Farkistani Mayor or Governor...

Peeps goin' to Photoshop mercilessly...


What I'm running for office.
Seether
/I don't se a problem ;)
 
2013-05-27 12:38:26 AM  

ib_thinkin: OgreMagi: At one time the GOP for smaller government, fiscal responsibility, and minding your own damn business.  These days they don't see a government program they don't like (unless is a democrat idea), they spend like drunken sailors in a whore house, and you better not be having any fun that they don't approve of, and that goes double for those ickey gheys.

But in that other thread, I was just getting comfortable with the idea of not liking you.


Those kind of things happen, reason #1 why it's best not to ignore till you're sure or just farky them and well some of the real trolls say some funny stuff : )
 
2013-05-27 12:43:38 AM  
I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?
 
2013-05-27 12:44:46 AM  

randomjsa: I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?


I really have always wondered: Is the sky blue in your world?
 
2013-05-27 12:46:22 AM  

OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.


Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .
 
2013-05-27 12:49:37 AM  

randomjsa: the far left


[hahaohwow]
 
2013-05-27 12:53:17 AM  
So, "Republican loser says GOP needs 'Positive Vision', not a focus on petty non-issues", then proceeds to make a sophomoric dig on the president's golf game?

Got it, you and your ilk have no place in the grown-up world of democratic governance.
 
2013-05-27 01:01:19 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.

Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .


Democracy is the worst political system of all, except for all the others.  Yes, I know we are a republic, not a democracy, work with me here.

The constant attacks on reproductive rights is one of the reasons I could never join the GOP.
 
2013-05-27 01:08:54 AM  
Despite subby's sarcasm regarding Reagan, Dole is right.  Reagan would have no place in today's GOP.
 
2013-05-27 01:14:54 AM  

randomjsa: I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?


Something tells me you're the type of person who never has, and never will, own a passport.
 
2013-05-27 01:15:22 AM  

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.

Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .

Democracy is the worst political system of all, except for all the others.  Yes, I know we are a republic, not a democracy, work with me here.

The constant attacks on reproductive rights is one of the reasons I could never join the GOP.


True, but if you side with the people that wanna do away with all regulations except for the one that involve the bedroom ,well. Also if you side with the people that want lower or no taxes well.
/ In this day and age you're no a republican if you object to what I said,
 
2013-05-27 01:15:54 AM  

OgreMagi: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Well, duh.

When the John Brich Society attempted to take over the GOP in the 80s, the Republicans soundly rejected them as lunatics. Now rebranded as the teabaggers, the GOP leadership has embraced them.

When the Tea Party first emerged with the message of "reduced spending and reduced taxes", I was interested, but knew better than to jump right in and join up.  Sure enough, within a year the derp kicked in as the fundies took over.

How about combining that message with the Occupy message of "big business has too much say in our political process"?  They aren't mutually exclusive.  In fact, they are complimentary.


That's how big business suckered in all the Teatards. The Tea Party has always been American big businesses' useful idiots.
 
2013-05-27 01:17:20 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.

Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .

Democracy is the worst political system of all, except for all the others.  Yes, I know we are a republic, not a democracy, work with me here.

The constant attacks on reproductive rights is one of the reasons I could never join the GOP.

True, but if you side with the people that wanna do away with all regulations except for the one that involve the bedroom ,well. Also if you side with the people that want lower or no taxes well.
/ In this day and age you're no a republican if you object to what I said,


The republicans want to shrink government small enough to fit into your vagina.
 
2013-05-27 01:31:35 AM  

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.

Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .

Democracy is the worst political system of all, except for all the others.  Yes, I know we are a republic, not a democracy, work with me here.

The constant attacks on reproductive rights is one of the reasons I could never join the GOP.

True, but if you side with the people that wanna do away with all regulations except for the one that involve the bedroom ,well. Also if you side with the people that want lower or no taxes well.
/ In this day and age you're no a republican if you object to what I said,

The republicans want to shrink government small enough to fit into your vagina.


Hmmm. I never heard it put that way I may have to become a republican ; )
/No not really
//Do not want
 
2013-05-27 01:41:54 AM  

OgreMagi: At one time the GOP for smaller government, fiscal responsibility, and minding your own damn business.


When was this? I'm a bit on the downhill side of 50 years old, and I can assure you that the Republican party never fit this description at any point in my lifetime.

Not that I'm personally impressed by the essentially juvenile notions of "smaller government" and "fiscal responsibility," mind you - those expressions are simply code for simple-minded, childlike approaches to government and economics - but they have always been ideals that the Republicans have honored chiefly in the breach. And, as for minding one's own damn business, Republicans on the whole have always been particularly bad at that.
 
2013-05-27 01:46:52 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.

Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .

Democracy is the worst political system of all, except for all the others.  Yes, I know we are a republic, not a democracy, work with me here.

The constant attacks on reproductive rights is one of the reasons I could never join the GOP.

True, but if you side with the people that wanna do away with all regulations except for the one that involve the bedroom ,well. Also if you side with the people that want lower or no taxes well.
/ In this day and age you're no a republican if you object to what I said,

The republicans want to shrink government small enough to fit into your vagina.

Hmmm. I never heard it put that way I may have to become a republican ; )
/No not really
//Do not want


I'd always heard it as "small enough to fit into your bedroom" until the around the time of the transvaginal ultrasound crap, when bedroom changed to vagina.
 
2013-05-27 01:47:14 AM  

OgreMagi: The republicans want to shrink government small enough to fit into your vagina.


They've given up trying to drown it in the bathtub, now they're trying to drown government in your panties.
 
2013-05-27 01:47:59 AM  

BMulligan: OgreMagi: At one time the GOP for smaller government, fiscal responsibility, and minding your own damn business.

When was this? I'm a bit on the downhill side of 50 years old, and I can assure you that the Republican party never fit this description at any point in my lifetime.

Not that I'm personally impressed by the essentially juvenile notions of "smaller government" and "fiscal responsibility," mind you - those expressions are simply code for simple-minded, childlike approaches to government and economics - but they have always been ideals that the Republicans have honored chiefly in the breach. And, as for minding one's own damn business, Republicans on the whole have always been particularly bad at that.


Democrats want to intervene on your behalf to protect your health, your soul is your problem.

Republicans want to intervene on your behalf to protect your soul, your health is your problem.

There is almost no moral, constitutional, or practical schema that supports the GOP approach and it pretty much explicitly violates their purported religious beliefs.
 
2013-05-27 01:56:40 AM  

cptjeff: randomjsa: I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?

I really have always wondered: Is the sky blue in your world?


I don't care what color it is as long as it's fully padded. He types so well with his toes.
 
2013-05-27 01:57:35 AM  

cptjeff: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: There aren't any Randians/Libertarians in the GOP.  They are all supporters of Cronyism, which any real libertarian hates.

* Democrats are also supporters of Cronyism

Well the GOP is a lot more brazen in their support for corporate interests over human interests. They don't even pretend like they care about the common man over the wealthy man any more.

Well, that just makes them more honest than the democrats who only pretend to give a shiat.

Oh come on you now there are people out there that would undo Roe v. wade, well some of them signed DOMA into law, yea sure Obama was late stepping up to the plate but he did well somewhat, but really ?
And sure dems get money and give favors to who they can but if you can think of a better political system I'd like to hear about it .

Democracy is the worst political system of all, except for all the others.  Yes, I know we are a republic, not a democracy, work with me here.

The constant attacks on reproductive rights is one of the reasons I could never join the GOP.

True, but if you side with the people that wanna do away with all regulations except for the one that involve the bedroom ,well. Also if you side with the people that want lower or no taxes well.
/ In this day and age you're no a republican if you object to what I said,

The republicans want to shrink government small enough to fit into your vagina.

Hmmm. I never heard it put that way I may have to become a republican ; )
/No not really
//Do not want

I'd always heard it as "small enough to fit into your bedroom" until the around the time of the transvaginal ultrasound crap, when bedroom changed to vagina.


Well however you say it it's farked up.
 
2013-05-27 02:04:06 AM  

Captain Dan: If anyone reads the article with at least minimal comprehension, you'll see that Bob Dole didn't blame Obama for the gridlock.  He only noted that Obama shared some portion of the blame, without specifying how large a portion.


Your read of his intentions is probably accurate, but the way Dole assigns responsibility to the President is weak, regardless.
 
2013-05-27 02:06:30 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: I'd always heard it as "small enough to fit into your bedroom" until the around the time of the transvaginal ultrasound crap, when bedroom changed to vagina.

Well however you say it it's farked up.


But a very good description of Republican ideology these days.
 
2013-05-27 02:07:56 AM  

Bane of Broone: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."


Yeah.....It's Obama's fault for not bridging that gap. fark you, Bob.


Republicans burned down the bridge and then protest, "Whar stimulus spending, Obama, wher?"
 
2013-05-27 02:10:02 AM  
He sounds like John McCain.  An old school RINO yelling at clouds because the new generation that was elected to NOT be the status quo aren't acting like the status quo.  Democrats and Repubkicans working together is what got us into this mess.
 
2013-05-27 02:22:10 AM  

cptjeff: tinfoil-hat maggie: I'd always heard it as "small enough to fit into your bedroom" until the around the time of the transvaginal ultrasound crap, when bedroom changed to vagina.

Well however you say it it's farked up.

But a very good description of Republican ideology these days.


Pretty much so.
Jennifers body
 
2013-05-27 02:23:03 AM  
Watching you libs froth and sway makes me chuckle.

You will justify the most authoritarian regime since Nixon, because you like the color of the T-shirt. And, listening to your elite's dog-whistle, you'll turn your political opponents into inhuman monsters, justifying at least two of the scandals now being investigated. FORWARD to the banana republic.

Bob Dole hasn't been relevant in 20 years. And I voted for him in Kansas.. He fought in a war SEVENTY YEARS AGO. He's really old, and would probably like the Harding administration to return to office.
 
2013-05-27 02:31:31 AM  

sammyk: Di Atribe: Perhaps if Bob Dole is recommending you check yourself, you should look into that before you find that yourself has been wrecked.

Bob Dole had never been one of the crazies. He's actually known for finding the compromise that we lack these days.


On a personal note, he was also the last Republican I ever considered voting for in a Presidential election.

/ Didn't vote for Bob Dole.
 
2013-05-27 02:38:02 AM  

hubiestubert: Thanks to Fark and TorD back in the day, I fear that my life expectancy as a candidate would be only a few Google searches away from scandal. Though, at least I wasn't married and carrying on with an intern, so maybe I could call it "youthful shenanigans." ;)


I post under my real name at Volokh Conspiracy, and my comments aren't that much more tame than they are here. I find myself wondering often if there's a future politician in me that's being screwed by my inability to avoid taking advantage of an opportunity to snark.
 
2013-05-27 02:39:13 AM  

OgreMagi: When Obama first took office as President, some republicans asked to meet with him to work out some differences.  He responded with, "I won."


As I remember it, they presented him with a list of policy demands. You say "work out some differences," and I say, "delude themselves into thinking that November 2008 couldn't possibly have just happened."
 
2013-05-27 02:41:09 AM  

LoneWolf343: OgreMagi: When the Tea Party first emerged with the message of "reduced spending and reduced taxes", I was interested, but knew better than to jump right in and join up. Sure enough, within a year the derp kicked in as the fundies took over.

I had written them off within a moth, after one of their leaders came out with the "inflation is a tax" line.


I don't think I was that quick, but I do recall using the phrase "Angry Republicans" to sum them up on Fark and elsewhere.
 
2013-05-27 02:46:45 AM  

hubiestubert: NFA: gaslight: The GOP of today has finally become the sort of organization of which Joe McCarthy would be proud.


Here is a quote from Ann Coulter.

"The myth of "McCarthyism" is the greatest Orwellian fraud of our times. Liberals are fanatical liars, then as now. The portrayal of Sen. Joe McCarthy as a wild-eyed demagogue destroying innocent lives is sheer liberal hobgoblinism. Liberals weren't hiding under the bed during the McCarthy era. They were systematically undermining the nation's ability to defend itself, while waging a bellicose campaign of lies to blacken McCarthy's name. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis. "

She is bat-shiat crazy.

Less crazy, than a dedicated cheerleader. She is smart enough to realize that is exactly what she is, and pretty much shameless in accepting that role. What is sort of sad about it, is that she is also smart enough to realize that her usefulness is fading, so in order to try to secure a continuing place at the table, she has to crank up the shamelessness up even further. Her looks are not what they used to be, she doesn't have a solid platform to be seen and heard, so when she gets her opportunities, she takes them, because she HAS to prove that she is a good gray mare. Revisionist history? That's OK. Lies and damned lies? That's OK. Demagoguery? Fine so long as it's her side. The crazy HAS to be cranked up, because the audience loses interest fast, and she, simply put, isn't as young as she used to be,


True, but the danger that she and others like her(most notably Glen Beck) is that by moving the threshold more every week the message and the people receiving that message, gets more more dangerous.  There have been plenty of anti-government protests, but when was the last time people were threatening to come armed?  There have been protests about gun control, but when did we see some moron trying to organize an armed march into DC?  This is the real sick part of it all, Coulter and her ilk don't care.  They have nothing but contempt for their audience and their intelligence, they're just rubes with money.  Ann and Glen don't care how many paranoid fantasies they're feeding, they only care that the books sell.  Now those same freakshows that would have been marginalized nobodies twenty years ago are suddenly the controlling voice of the GOP.

Granted the self-destruction is going to be epic, but we all know they'll be doing everything in their power to take as many other people down with them.
 
2013-05-27 02:48:12 AM  

STRYPERSWINE: He sounds like John McCain.  An old school RINO yelling at clouds because the new generation that was elected to NOT be the status quo aren't acting like the status quo.  Democrats and Repubkicans working together is what got us into this mess.


Which mess, exactly?
 
2013-05-27 02:56:11 AM  
"Every now and again, a political pundit is required to stand up and admit to the world that he or she got it wrong."

Since when? Required by whom? There's something fishy about this premise...
 
2013-05-27 03:02:38 AM  

Flappyhead: True, but the danger that she and others like her(most notably Glen Beck) is that by moving the threshold more every week the message and the people receiving that message, gets more more dangerous.


Is there a limit to the Overton window where it stops working?   Seems that the more they move that threshold, the more they move the whole policy debate.

The more batshiat right wing the Republicans become, the more centrist the Democrats become.  I don't see them pulling policy to the left to balance...
 
2013-05-27 03:17:26 AM  

sendtodave: Flappyhead: True, but the danger that she and others like her(most notably Glen Beck) is that by moving the threshold more every week the message and the people receiving that message, gets more more dangerous.

Is there a limit to the Overton window where it stops working?   Seems that the more they move that threshold, the more they move the whole policy debate.

The more batshiat right wing the Republicans become, the more centrist the Democrats become.  I don't see them pulling policy to the left to balance...


I think there is and in a hilarious twist of irony I think it's going to be from within the GOP itself.  The Democrats will only move so far and when the nuts on the Right insist it's not far enough something is going to break inside the Republican Party.  Just like when the Dixiecrats jumped ship in the 1950s the more hardcore elements of the GOP will abandon their own party, only this time they will have nowhere to go when it fails.
 
2013-05-27 03:34:41 AM  

Flappyhead: sendtodave: Flappyhead: True, but the danger that she and others like her(most notably Glen Beck) is that by moving the threshold more every week the message and the people receiving that message, gets more more dangerous.

Is there a limit to the Overton window where it stops working?   Seems that the more they move that threshold, the more they move the whole policy debate.

The more batshiat right wing the Republicans become, the more centrist the Democrats become.  I don't see them pulling policy to the left to balance...

I think there is and in a hilarious twist of irony I think it's going to be from within the GOP itself.  The Democrats will only move so far and when the nuts on the Right insist it's not far enough something is going to break inside the Republican Party.  Just like when the Dixiecrats jumped ship in the 1950s the more hardcore elements of the GOP will abandon their own party, only this time they will have nowhere to go when it fails.


Two centrist neo-liberal (economic policy, I mean) parties, and a reactionary party?

The future sure looks bright for the average American.
 
2013-05-27 04:15:28 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, Bob fell on his sword for the party, and was treated fairly shamefully for it.

The party should have taken the loss to Obama the first time around, to evaluate what in the Hells had gone wrong. To look at what their platform, and the base that they were encouraging had cost them. After the last go around, they had another opportunity to re-evaluate, and instead, have tripled down on the stupid that now typifies the party faithful. Yes, I'm looking at the use of TEA Party idiots, Libertarians who conveniently vote Republican consistently, and the Religious Right that overlooks liars, adulterers, usurers, and thieves because they happen to give lip service about homosexuals--unless of course they get caught in a men's stall with one--and on abortion, but are perfectly fine with the death penalty and shooting brown people.

The Republican party should be leading the charge for religious freedom--and by that, that means more than just Christians, but Jews, Muslims and Buddhists and more. It should be leading the charge on marriage equality. It should be leading to parity in the tax code. Historically, the party was environmental issues because we hold our lands for our posterity. And it simply isn't. It isn't, because the leadership has turned to myopic concerns that embraced an election strategy championed by NeoCons who wanted the leadership for themselves, and damn the country, damn the nation, and damn the people, but they were going to see their "ideals" through, no matter how bankrupt the nation would become, how many people had to die overseas, and how devastated the economy would be seeing it through. It is the reason I left the party, because I saw that no amount of voting within the party for "better" candidates would do any good, because the only choices were insane or simply outrageously corrupt. The few sane candidates were marginalized from the get go. The party has lost its way, and at this point, it needs to be put out of its misery, and le ...


Well said. The GOP falling apart could be very good for the political climate of this country. Not just because their current party line is off the deep end into extremist territory, but having another party and preferably multiple parties form to replace it may be part of the first steps in getting rid of the ridiculous two-party situation. I imagine the Democratic party would briefly enjoy prominence, but it probably wouldn't last all that long because there is a good chance that the progressives (as more millennials reach voting age this portion of the party base becomes much larger) will eventually break off from the party when it is no longer necessary to vote for a Democratic candidate out of the necessity of voting against the Republican.

In my (probably naive) optimism, I hope that having more than two parties as viable options will help place individual issues rather than a party's platform as the main basis for voting. I think this is important because there can be a great deal of overlap on certain issues from a variety of political leanings. For example, something like civil liberties should never be a partisan issue. Whether one falls under left, right, or center on economic and infrastructure issues, all Americans with a basic understanding of civics should be supporting social freedoms for all.

Using the model of the political compass as an example, if we could move the Overton window of American politics over to the socially libertarian side and calibrate the economic discussion on the center and have it extend to both center-left and center-right, our country could function much better and we might even be able to have nice things like programs that are well-designed, adequately funded, and deemed to be a success or failure based upon factual evaluation instead of partisan bias. My own political views may sometimes fall to the left of this proposed window, but I'm still fond of the idea because it is much better than our current situation and can serve as a workable model for the kind of compromise that can be achieved in the country if we had more rational discussions on politics and less finger pointing. Many of the yahoos currently holding office need to be sent back to the kiddie table.
 
2013-05-27 05:13:02 AM  
I was deeply offended that the Repubs even ran a candidate for president last time. How dare they?!  After failing to protect America on 9/11, failing to protect America after 9/11, losing two wars, and crashing the whole nation economy... how dare they?
 
2013-05-27 05:18:27 AM  
Mrbogey (farkied: More like Mrbogus): LoneWolf343: namatad: Center is defined as "the majority of americans"

No, no it doesn't. It's defined as no strong leanings towards left or right.

A lot of people also define leftwing as good progressive politics while rightwing is racism, exploitation, and xenophobia.

Victory through definition.


Show me some right wing that isn't about "racism, exploitation and xenophobia".  Then we'll talk.

/Yes, there are left wingers that don't belong in public office
//Few of them have any traction in the USA
 
2013-05-27 05:26:57 AM  
He also assigned blame for Washington's current state of gridlock to President Barack Obama, who he argued was failing to bridge divides between the capital's ideological camps.

i365.photobucket.com

"If that dagburn Dimmycrat varmint is FER it, Ahhhhhhh'm AGIN it!"
 
2013-05-27 06:02:23 AM  

vygramul: whidbey: Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.

(No WONDER they think liberals are grabby, selfish, and gimme gimme gimme all the time. It's because that's how THEY are and they just assume everyone is like that. Sorry - I'm being cynical about the modern GOP.)


Projection is not one of their finer qualities.
 
2013-05-27 06:56:03 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Bob Dole has always been an enigma to me. On one hard, when he was in office, he personified lots of what I didn't like about politics. But after he left office he seemed like a pretty cool guy. He was able to poke fun at himself and showed he has a wicked sense of humor.


Enigma? I thought he was the one that got elected President twice.

/ Window seat please. See you in hell.
 
2013-05-27 07:05:04 AM  

sammyk: Di Atribe: Perhaps if Bob Dole is recommending you check yourself, you should look into that before you find that yourself has been wrecked.

Bob Dole had never been one of the crazies. He's actually known for finding the compromise that we lack these days. having a limp dick and doing commercials about it.


FTFY..
 
2013-05-27 07:08:08 AM  

Mrbogey: Conservatives didn't make it a swear word. "Liberals" made it a swear word by loosely using it to define anything left-wing. When you allow "crap" to be called "liberal", "crap" doesn't start looking liberal. Instead "liberal" starts looking like crap.


NOTHING IS EVER A CONSERVATIVE'S FAULT.  CONSERVATIVES ARE FAULTLESS AND ALSO
 
2013-05-27 07:12:36 AM  

randomjsa: I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-27 07:26:59 AM  

whidbey: Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.


When was Dole never a friendly moderate?
 
2013-05-27 07:27:40 AM  
There is a tiny element of truth in Bob Dole's comment about Obama in 2009. With full control of the House and Senate, Obama could have and should have called for the launch of a full-scale Congressional investigation of repub misdeeds under the Bush administration, culminating in lengthy prison sentences for the banksters and oil CEOs and treason convictions for Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. He could have and should have immediately withdrawn all American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, calling it "a criminally incompetent  error perpetrated by the previous administration which we have no obligation to continue," cut the military budget by two thirds and applied the money to the Stimulus. When Joe Wilson called him a liar during the State of the Union address, he could have and should have had the ushers drag Wilson out of the room and thrown into jail, overnight, and afterwards announced extensive base closings in South Carolina with the comment "The closings have to occur somewhere and Joe Wilson volunteered his state." Obama could have and should have shown some balls but in five years he never has, so we'll just have to limp along with him until the Democrats can install someone tougher in 2016.
 
2013-05-27 08:05:20 AM  

clambam: There is a tiny element of truth in Bob Dole's comment about Obama in 2009. With full control of the House and Senate, Obama could have and should have called for the launch of a full-scale Congressional investigation of repub misdeeds under the Bush administration, culminating in lengthy prison sentences for the banksters and oil CEOs and treason convictions for Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. He could have and should have immediately withdrawn all American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, calling it "a criminally incompetent  error perpetrated by the previous administration which we have no obligation to continue," cut the military budget by two thirds and applied the money to the Stimulus. When Joe Wilson called him a liar during the State of the Union address, he could have and should have had the ushers drag Wilson out of the room and thrown into jail, overnight, and afterwards announced extensive base closings in South Carolina with the comment "The closings have to occur somewhere and Joe Wilson volunteered his state." Obama could have and should have shown some balls but in five years he never has, so we'll just have to limp along with him until the Democrats can install someone tougher in 2016.


Yes yes let us stoop to the level of a Republican that will show em.
 
2013-05-27 08:05:25 AM  

swahnhennessy: whidbey: Yep, when Bob Dole comes off looking like a friendly moderate, you know your political party is utterly farked.

When was Dole never a friendly moderate?


yeah the one surprising me is Jan Brewer and her stance on the medicare expansion.

and it's sad that Bob Dole had to go and ruin his appearance by saying Obama wouldn't compromise and reach across the aisle. That's just wrong and he knows it.
 
2013-05-27 08:05:55 AM  
randomjsa (farkied: "Holy fnck you're an idiot." - Nina_Hartley's_Ass): Democrat party

DRINK!
 
2013-05-27 08:08:23 AM  

sparkeyjames: clambam: There is a tiny element of truth in Bob Dole's comment about Obama in 2009. With full control of the House and Senate, Obama could have and should have called for the launch of a full-scale Congressional investigation of repub misdeeds under the Bush administration, culminating in lengthy prison sentences for the banksters and oil CEOs and treason convictions for Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. He could have and should have immediately withdrawn all American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, calling it "a criminally incompetent  error perpetrated by the previous administration which we have no obligation to continue," cut the military budget by two thirds and applied the money to the Stimulus. When Joe Wilson called him a liar during the State of the Union address, he could have and should have had the ushers drag Wilson out of the room and thrown into jail, overnight, and afterwards announced extensive base closings in South Carolina with the comment "The closings have to occur somewhere and Joe Wilson volunteered his state." Obama could have and should have shown some balls but in five years he never has, so we'll just have to limp along with him until the Democrats can install someone tougher in 2016.

Yes yes let us stoop to the level of a Republican that will show em.


It just might. they play hardball. you gotta play hardball too. but that's not going to happen ever.
the Dems like to talk but in the end the .01% always get their way.
 
2013-05-27 08:11:30 AM  

sparkeyjames: clambam: There is a tiny element of truth in Bob Dole's comment about Obama in 2009. With full control of the House and Senate, Obama could have and should have called for the launch of a full-scale Congressional investigation of repub misdeeds under the Bush administration, culminating in lengthy prison sentences for the banksters and oil CEOs and treason convictions for Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. He could have and should have immediately withdrawn all American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, calling it "a criminally incompetent  error perpetrated by the previous administration which we have no obligation to continue," cut the military budget by two thirds and applied the money to the Stimulus. When Joe Wilson called him a liar during the State of the Union address, he could have and should have had the ushers drag Wilson out of the room and thrown into jail, overnight, and afterwards announced extensive base closings in South Carolina with the comment "The closings have to occur somewhere and Joe Wilson volunteered his state." Obama could have and should have shown some balls but in five years he never has, so we'll just have to limp along with him until the Democrats can install someone tougher in 2016.

Yes yes let us stoop to the level of a Republican that will show em.


Because reaching out to them has been soooo effective.
 
2013-05-27 08:17:04 AM  

rustypouch: randomjsa: I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?

Something tells me you're the type of person who never has, and never will, own a passport.


lol
 
2013-05-27 08:38:19 AM  

ib_thinkin: FTFA: "I think one mistake he's made was not getting together more with Congress early on in his first administration. There's nothing like knowing the person you are talking to on the telephone, if you had an opportunity to sit down with that person and visit - not about anything, but just visit."

I don't understand; was he asleep for all of 2009, or just high?


Priapism
 
2013-05-27 09:21:15 AM  

OgreMagi: The constant attacks on reproductive rights is one of the reasons I could never join the GOP.


That's mostly hype. A few regulations to try and stop guys like Kermit Gosnell from existing and the media turns it into the Handmaid's Tale. Even a law that allowed religious exemptions for contraception coverage gets flat out lied about and claimed that it forces people to admit to employers if they use birth control.

A lot of posters can say Kermit Gosnell is a monster but most of what he did is the result of their ideological arguments being followed. Birth a live baby and sever it's spine? Ask Obama why he opposed the Born Alive Act. Open a clinic and not get inspected? Ask Gov Ridge why he backed off on the inspection.
  

Bith Set Me Up: That's how big business suckered in all the Teatards. The Tea Party has always been American big businesses' useful idiots.


Yea, like remember the time where big business convinced the US gov't to bail them out by floating them billions of dollars and the Tea Party came out in favor of that? Bunch of suckers. Wait... that was the opposite of what happened.

You may want to research the term "useful idiot" because you're fighting hard and being pretty useful to a cause you claim to despise.

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Show me some right wing that isn't about "racism, exploitation and xenophobia". Then we'll talk.


Let me short circuit this. There is no way to prove this to you because you'll see it in every choice presented. So I'm not going to engage in a futile proof with you.

Hell, saying that America needs to do something about the millions of illegal immigrants because it's taxing the system and it gets met with "OMG! You hate Brown People!"

Pants full of macaroni!!: randomjsa: I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?

[img.photobucket.com image 777x214]


I love this image because it is literally the opposite of a typical fark thread where anything left-wing gets called centrist or right of center and there exists nothing on the left-wing. It's the perfect barometer for how far someone has their head shoved up their asshole.
 
2013-05-27 09:35:22 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Well, duh.

When the John Brich Society attempted to take over the GOP in the 80s, the Republicans soundly rejected them as lunatics. Now rebranded as the teabaggers, the GOP leadership has embraced them.


the reason they weren't able to take over the GOP in the 80s is that the media wouldn't give them the time of day. today, thanks to the erroneous concept of "balance," in which you have to give voice to both sides of any debate, no matter how harebrained or bizarre, the tea party's influence far outweighs its actual numbers.
 
2013-05-27 09:39:28 AM  
I think it's unfair to compare these Tea-Party people to the Birchers, Klansmen, Neo-Nazis, ect. of the past.   The old school extreme right didn't want to eliminate government, they wanted to shut-out the people they didn't like:  Niggras, Catlicks, Joos, homos, ferinners, Messicans, commies etc.  The US, and what it had to offer, was for real Muricans.

Compare the above to the current lot of dimwits that have hijacked the GOP.  These people want to eliminate government services for everyone.  The don't want their own children educated.  They are outraged by being given health care and threaten to commit acts of violence over this humiliation.    They would rather see classrooms full of tots gunned down than submit to a background check.   It's really a masterstroke of the 1%.  H.K. Mencken had it right when he said, "Democracy is the worship of jackals by jackasses."
 
2013-05-27 09:46:30 AM  

Fissile: I think it's unfair to compare these Tea-Party people to the Birchers, Klansmen, Neo-Nazis, ect. of the past.   The old school extreme right didn't want to eliminate government, they wanted to shut-out the people they didn't like:  Niggras, Catlicks, Joos, homos, ferinners, Messicans, commies etc.  The US, and what it had to offer, was for real Muricans.

Compare the above to the current lot of dimwits that have hijacked the GOP.  These people want to eliminate government services for everyone.  The don't want their own children educated.  They are outraged by being given health care and threaten to commit acts of violence over this humiliation.    They would rather see classrooms full of tots gunned down than submit to a background check.   It's really a masterstroke of the 1%.  H.K. Mencken had it right when he said, "Democracy is the worship of jackals by jackasses."


A smart man once observed, "Democracy isn't four wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat. It's one wolf and four sheep - only the wolf has convinced two of the sheep that if they don't vote for mutton, they'll lose the opportunity to become wolves themselves."
 
2013-05-27 09:52:04 AM  

randomjsa: I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?


This is what happens when Americans stay at home, watch Fox News, only talk to their friends with the same media-infused opinions, and willfully blind themselves to the way things work in the rest of the world.

Yes, there is a "rest of the world" and you won't see it presented the way it is (as opposed to the way it fits American preconceptions) on CNN or Faux. And those billions of folks are not dying to ape the 'murken way of doing things.

Look around a little and you'll get a better idea of just how far the Democrats have "shifted to the left".

Words sure do mean something strange where you come from.

(I suspect the attitudes have hardened to much to make an impression, however)
 
2013-05-27 10:13:07 AM  

Paul Baumer: invictus2: why do  you think, that he  became a she

She said "Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side"


...and the colored girls sang "do da do, do, da do, da do, do da do, do ,da do, da do, do da do, do, da do, da do, do da do, do, da do, da do, do da do,  aaahhh...
 
2013-05-27 10:14:07 AM  

SpeedyBB: randomjsa: I always get a kick out of headlines like this.

The Democrat party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the far left and we get to listen to liberals go on about how 'crazy' the Republican party is these days.

What, are you worried the Republicans might shift as far to the right as the Democrats have to the left?

This is what happens when Americans stay at home, watch Fox News, only talk to their friends with the same media-infused opinions, and willfully blind themselves to the way things work in the rest of the world.

Yes, there is a "rest of the world" and you won't see it presented the way it is (as opposed to the way it fits American preconceptions) on CNN or Faux. And those billions of folks are not dying to ape the 'murken way of doing things.

Look around a little and you'll get a better idea of just how far the Democrats have "shifted to the left".

Words sure do mean something strange where you come from.

(I suspect the attitudes have hardened to much to make an impression, however)


The funny thing is that JFK, LBJ, Carter, and Clinton would all have little problem winning the nomination in the modern Democratic Party. But Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr., and even Dubya couldn't. Yet it's the Democrats who shifted, not the GOP.
 
2013-05-27 11:09:52 AM  
Wow. How farking retarded to you have to be to believe that there is a "The Left" to speak of in the US, much less a "The Far Left"?
 
2013-05-27 11:15:52 AM  

cubic_spleen: Wow. How farking retarded to you have to be to believe that there is a "The Left" to speak of in the US, much less a "The Far Left"?


The Democratic Party may not be "The Left" compared to Europe, but there are leftists, and even far-left personalities. Of course, at some point, extremes are so distorting it's hard to categorize them on a one-dimensional scale. In fact, you'd probably need a z-axis for the likes of Chomsky.
 
2013-05-27 11:36:25 AM  

vygramul: The funny thing is that JFK, LBJ, Carter, and Clinton would all have little problem winning the nomination in the modern Democratic Party. But Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr., and even Dubya couldn't. Yet it's the Democrats who shifted, not the GOP.


Every Democrat on your list opposed homosexuality and abortion when they ran for office. JFK was also in favor of tax cuts and increased military use. LBJ loved sending the military abroad. The only Democrats on that list that would have a shot would be Clinton and Carter and that's only because their position "evolved".

Of course, JFK and LBJ were anti-communist so that right away disqualifies them as being too right-wing.
 
2013-05-27 12:38:36 PM  
sendtodave:

Two centrist neo-liberal (economic policy, I mean) parties, and a reactionary party?

The future sure looks bright for the average American.


Not so.  The GOP can still be right wing, just not as crazy as it currently is.  They can still stick up for religion, just not exclusively Christians.  They can still advocate for celibacy before marriage, but no longer interfere with sex education.  They can be pro military, but also accept reduced spending on it.
 
2013-05-27 01:12:39 PM  

Mrbogey: vygramul: The funny thing is that JFK, LBJ, Carter, and Clinton would all have little problem winning the nomination in the modern Democratic Party. But Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr., and even Dubya couldn't. Yet it's the Democrats who shifted, not the GOP.

Every Democrat on your list opposed homosexuality and abortion when they ran for office. JFK was also in favor of tax cuts and increased military use. LBJ loved sending the military abroad. The only Democrats on that list that would have a shot would be Clinton and Carter and that's only because their position "evolved".

Of course, JFK and LBJ were anti-communist so that right away disqualifies them as being too right-wing.


Obama loves sending the military abroad, doesn't he? And JFK cut taxes from 90%. You won't find many Democrats who think 90% is the right rate. LBJ wanted to massively expand social programs. JFK might have had trouble, though, I'll grant you that. Homosexuality was largely a non-issue and Carter certainly supports gay marriage now. As far as abortion goes, Carter was no pro-life marcher. Bachman even accuses him of playing both sides, so you can't say he opposed it.

Compared to the difficulties Republican presidents would have had, the Democratic issues are hardly insurmountable.
 
2013-05-27 01:13:16 PM  

Mrbogey: vygramul: The funny thing is that JFK, LBJ, Carter, and Clinton would all have little problem winning the nomination in the modern Democratic Party. But Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr., and even Dubya couldn't. Yet it's the Democrats who shifted, not the GOP.

Every Democrat on your list opposed homosexuality and abortion when they ran for office. JFK was also in favor of tax cuts and increased military use. LBJ loved sending the military abroad. The only Democrats on that list that would have a shot would be Clinton and Carter and that's only because their position "evolved".

Of course, JFK and LBJ were anti-communist so that right away disqualifies them as being too right-wing.


Oh, and being anti-communist doesn't disqualify you in the least.
 
2013-05-27 01:15:42 PM  

Mrbogey: That's mostly hype. A few regulations to try and stop guys like Kermit Gosnell from existing and the media turns it into the Handmaid's Tale. Even a law that allowed religious exemptions for contraception coverage gets flat out lied about and claimed that it forces people to admit to employers if they use birth control.

A lot of posters can say Kermit Gosnell is a monster but most of what he did is the result of their ideological arguments being followed. Birth a live baby and sever it's spine? Ask Obama why he opposed the Born Alive Act. Open a clinic and not get inspected? Ask Gov Ridge why he backed off on the inspection.


Not intended to be a factual statement.
 
2013-05-27 01:26:19 PM  
20 Of The Most Embarrassing Moments In The History Of The Democrat Party

1) The Trail of Tears (1838): The first Democrat President, Andrew Jackson and his successor Martin Van Buren, herded Indians into camps, tormented them, burned and pillaged their homes and forced them to relocate with minimal supplies. Thousands died along the way.

2) Democrats Cause The Civil War (1860): The pro-slavery faction of the Democrat Party responded to Abraham Lincoln's election by seceding, which led to the Civil War.

3) Formation of the KKK (1865): Along with 5 other Confederate veterans, Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest created the KKK.

4) 300 Black Americans Murdered (1868): "Democrats in Opelousas, Louisiana killed nearly 300 blacks who tried to foil an assault on a Republican newspaper editor."

5) The American Protective League and The Palmer Raids (1919-1921): Under the leadership of Woodrow Wilson, criticizing the government became a crime and a fascist organization, the American Protective League was formed to spy on and even arrest fellow Americans for being insufficiently loyal to the government. More than 100,000 Americans were arrested, with less than 1% of them ever being found guilty of any kind of crime.

6) Democrats Successfully Stop Republicans From Making Lynching A Federal Crime (1922): "The U.S. House adopted Rep. Leonidas Dyer's (R., Mo.) bill making lynching a federal crime. Filibustering Senate Democrats killed the measure."

7) The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment (1932-1972): Contrary to what you may have heard, Democrats in Alabama did not give black Americans syphilis. However, the experimenters did know that subjects of the experiment unknowingly had syphilis and even after it was proven that penicillin could be used to effectively treat the disease in 1947, the experiments continued. As a result, a number of the subjects needlessly infected their loved ones and died, when they could have been cured.

8) Japanese Internment Camps (1942): Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an executive order that led to more than 100,000 Japanese Americans being put into "bleak, remote camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards."

9) Alger Hiss Convicted Of Perjury (1950): Hiss, who helped advise FDR at Yalta and was strongly defended by the Left, turned out to be a Soviet spy. He was convicted of perjury in 1950 (Sadly, the statute of limitations on espionage had run out), but was defended by liberals for decades until the Verona papers proved so conclusively that he was guilty that even most his fellow liberals couldn't continue to deny it.

10) The West Virgina Democrat primary is rigged by John F. Kennedy (1960): From an interview with the late, great Robert Novak.

John Hawkins: You also said that without question, John F. Kennedy rigged the West Virginia Democratic primary in (1960), but that the Wall Street Journal killed the story. Do you think that sort of thing is still occurring with great regularity and do you wish the Journal had reported the story when it happened?

Robert Novak: In my opinion, they should have. They sent two reporters down to West Virginia for six weeks and they came back with a carefully documented story on voter fraud in West Virginia, buying votes, and how he beat Humphrey in the primary and therefore got the nomination. But, Ed Kilgore, the President of Dow Jones and publisher of the Wall Street Journal, a very conservative man, said it wasn't the business of the Wall Street Journal to decide the nominee of the Democratic Party and he killed the story. That story didn't come out for many, many years - 30-40 years. It was kept secret all that time.

11) The Bay of Pigs (1961): After training a Cuban militia to overthrow Castro, Kennedy got cold feet and didn't give the men all the air support they were promised. As a result, they were easily defeated by Castro's men and today, Cuba is still ruled by a hostile, anti-American dictatorship.

12) Fire Hoses And Attack Dogs Used On Children (1963): Birmingham, Alabama's notorious Commissioner of Public Safety, Democrat Bull Connor, used attack dogs and fire hoses on children and teenagers marching for civil rights. Ultimately, thousands of them would also be arrested.

13) Stand In The Schoolhouse Door (1963): Democrat George Wallace gave his notorious speech against integrating schools at the University of Alabama in which he said, "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever."

14) Escalation In Vietnam (1964): Lyndon Johnson dramatically escalated our troops' presence in Vietnam while he simultaneously put political restrictions in place that made the war unwinnable. As a result, 58,000 Americans died in a war that ultimately achieved none of its aims.

15) Chappaquiddick (1969): The Democrats' beloved "Liberal Lion" of the Senate, Ted Kennedy ran off the road into a tidal pool with passenger Mary Jo Kopechne in the car. Kennedy swam free and then spent 9 hours plotting how he would reveal the news to the press while she slowly suffocated to death.

16) Democrats Deliver South Vietnam To The North (1975): "In 1975, when there were no Americans left in Vietnam, the left wing of the Democratic Party killed the government of South Vietnam, cut off all of its funding, cut off all of its ammunition, and sent a signal to the world that the United States had abandoned its allies." -- Newt Gingrich

17) The Iranian Hostage Crisis (1979-1981): 52 Americans were held hostage by the government of Iran for 444 days. After Jimmy Carter's disastrous, failed rescue attempt, the hostages were finally released after Ronald Reagan's inaugural address.

18) Bill Clinton turns down Osama Bin Laden (1996): In Bill Clinton's own words, "'Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.' - Bill Clinton explains to a Long Island, N.Y., business group why he turned down Sudan's offer to extradite Osama Bin Laden to America in 1996." Had Bill Clinton accepted Sudan's offer, 9/11 would have likely never happened.

19) Bill Clinton was impeached (1998): Clinton became only the 2nd President in American history to be impeached after he lied under oath about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.

20) America loses its AAA credit rating (2011): The United States was first given its AAA credit in 1917, but it couldn't survive Barack Obama's record breaking spending. In 2011, America lost its AAA credit rating.
 
2013-05-27 01:42:08 PM  

patthedog: 20 Of The Most Embarrassing Moments In The History Of The Democrat Party

1) The Trail of Tears (1838): The first Democrat President, Andrew Jackson and his successor Martin Van Buren, herded Indians into camps, tormented them, burned and pillaged their homes and forced them to relocate with minimal supplies. Thousands died along the way.

2) Democrats Cause The Civil War (1860): The pro-slavery faction of the Democrat Party responded to Abraham Lincoln's election by seceding, which led to the Civil War.

3) Formation of the KKK (1865): Along with 5 other Confederate veterans, Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest created the KKK.

4) 300 Black Americans Murdered (1868): "Democrats in Opelousas, Louisiana killed nearly 300 blacks who tried to foil an assault on a Republican newspaper editor."

5) The American Protective League and The Palmer Raids (1919-1921): Under the leadership of Woodrow Wilson, criticizing the government became a crime and a fascist organization, the American Protective League was formed to spy on and even arrest fellow Americans for being insufficiently loyal to the government. More than 100,000 Americans were arrested, with less than 1% of them ever being found guilty of any kind of crime.

6) Democrats Successfully Stop Republicans From Making Lynching A Federal Crime (1922): "The U.S. House adopted Rep. Leonidas Dyer's (R., Mo.) bill making lynching a federal crime. Filibustering Senate Democrats killed the measure."

7) The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment (1932-1972): Contrary to what you may have heard, Democrats in Alabama did not give black Americans syphilis. However, the experimenters did know that subjects of the experiment unknowingly had syphilis and even after it was proven that penicillin could be used to effectively treat the disease in 1947, the experiments continued. As a result, a number of the subjects needlessly infected their loved ones and died, when they could have been cured.

8) Japanese Internment Camps (1942): Democrat Frankl ...


I love how most of the events involve evil racists in the South, because they're still the base of the Democratic Party, and thus, your list is like, SO relevant in 2013.
 
2013-05-27 01:43:29 PM  

patthedog: 20) America loses its AAA credit rating (2011): The United States was first given its AAA credit in 1917, but it couldn't survive Barack Obama's record breaking spending. In 2011, America lost its AAA credit rating.


Skipped down to this one. It's funny you blame Obama, since the rating agency blamed House Republicans.
 
2013-05-27 01:44:54 PM  

patthedog: Democrat Party


DRINK!

19) Bill Clinton was impeached (1998): Clinton became only the 2nd President in American history to be impeached after he lied under oath about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.

Remember, boys and girls:

* Lying about a blowjob:  IMPEACHABLE.
* Lying about weapons of mass destruction to gin up a war for fun and profit:  PATRIOTIC.

20) America loses its AAA credit rating (2011): The United States was first given its AAA credit in 1917, but it couldn't survive Barack Obama's record breaking spending. In 2011, America lost its AAA credit rating.

So you're outraged about the deficit.

GOOD!


NOW WHY WEREN'T YOU OUTRAGED WHEN THAT IDIOT BUSH WAS BEATING THE WAR DRUMS?

 
2013-05-27 01:50:34 PM  

HighOnCraic: I love how most of the events involve evil racists in the South, because they're still the base of the Democratic Party, and thus, your list is like, SO relevant in 2013.


THE DEMOCRATS OF TODAY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE DEMOCRATS OF 200 YEARS AGO

EXACTLY.
THE.
SAME.

/blah blah blah HIVEMIND blah blah blah
 
2013-05-27 01:55:32 PM  

patthedog: 20 Of The Most Embarrassing Moments In The History Of The Democrat Party

 8/10

Because hey, you got some hits with something that was probably copied and pasted from a freeper link, so you've got that going for you.  Which is nice.
 
2013-05-27 02:48:31 PM  
patthedog:

Hmm.. a new flavor of derp. Let's see...
Account created:2013-04-09 That explains it. Pipe down, junior; this is the adult table.
 
2013-05-27 03:08:27 PM  

cubic_spleen: patthedog:

Hmm.. a new flavor of derp. Let's see...
Account created:2013-04-09 That explains it. Pipe down, junior; this is the adult table.


But they're so cute when they're young!
 
2013-05-27 05:25:00 PM  
www.oakridgenow.com
 
2013-05-27 08:52:29 PM  

Mrbogey: Of course, JFK and LBJ were anti-communist so that right away disqualifies them as being too right-wing.


Some of us are not actually afraid of North Korea and Cuba. We recognize that communism has lost.
But on the Right, they still wet their pants every day in fear.
 
2013-05-27 09:02:57 PM  

0Icky0: Mrbogey: Of course, JFK and LBJ were anti-communist so that right away disqualifies them as being too right-wing.

Some of us are not actually afraid of North Korea and Cuba. We recognize that communism has lost.
But on the Right, they still wet their pants every day in fear.


That's because the Right considers anyone who is not of the Right to be Communist.
 
2013-05-27 09:21:05 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: 0Icky0: Mrbogey: Of course, JFK and LBJ were anti-communist so that right away disqualifies them as being too right-wing.

Some of us are not actually afraid of North Korea and Cuba. We recognize that communism has lost.
But on the Right, they still wet their pants every day in fear.

That's because the Right considers anyone who is not of the Right to be Communist.


Man, it's getting to the point where you can't advocate for the nationalization of an industry and wealth redistribution without people calling ya a commie. What happened America? You used to be cool.
 
2013-05-28 01:03:31 AM  
 
2013-05-28 01:25:50 AM  

ib_thinkin: OgreMagi: When Obama first took office as President, some republicans asked to meet with him to work out some differences.  He responded with, "I won."

As I remember it, they presented him with a list of policy demands. You say "work out some differences," and I say, "delude themselves into thinking that November 2008 couldn't possibly have just happened."


It wasn't budget demands per se, but you are pretty darn close. Link.
 
2013-05-28 07:47:52 AM  

Mrbogey: Man, it's getting to the point where you can't advocate for the nationalization of an industry and wealth redistribution without people calling ya a commie. What happened America? You used to be cool.


Like that Obama guy right? All the teabaggers know he is a commie.
 
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