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2013-05-26 04:31:11 PM  
He lost two fights in the same night. Pretty sure he took a dive because Mr. Wallace paid him off.
 
2013-05-26 04:43:06 PM  
Another George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin thread. These threads make my dick itch.
 
2013-05-26 04:50:27 PM  
I think the Zimmerman defense team should have gone for a plea deal.

If some strange man came up to me when I was 17 in the middle of a Florida night and demanded why I was in my neighborhood, I'd have told him to fark off. If he touched me, I'd have kicked his ass too.

The only time something like that happened to me as a teen in Florida, the strange man had a wool cap over his head with eye holes cut into it, holding what appeared to be a small calibar semi-automatic handgun. I just lost $3 that night to the asshat. Called the cops but they couldn't find him, even with a K-9.

/Maybe Zimmerman should have had his gun out.
//Martin would have seen the reall threat that was hidden until too late.
 
2013-05-26 04:52:07 PM  

ongbok: Another George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin thread. These threads make my dick itch.


No. That's the STD you caught from my mom.

/Sorry, in a touchy mood with the Trayvon Martin killing, since it could have been me as a Florida teen.
 
2013-05-26 04:55:24 PM  

AirForceVet: I think the Zimmerman defense team should have gone for a plea deal.

If some strange man came up to me when I was 17 in the middle of a Florida night and demanded why I was in my neighborhood, I'd have told him to fark off. If he touched me, I'd have kicked his ass too.

The only time something like that happened to me as a teen in Florida, the strange man had a wool cap over his head with eye holes cut into it, holding what appeared to be a small calibar semi-automatic handgun. I just lost $3 that night to the asshat. Called the cops but they couldn't find him, even with a K-9.

/Maybe Zimmerman should have had his gun out.
//Martin would have seen the reall threat that was hidden until too late.


Anybody with a half of brain would do the same thing and would tell their kids to do the same. If they claim they wouldn't, they are full of shiat.
 
2013-05-26 04:55:51 PM  
"Angry black kid" is a bid redundant, no?
 
2013-05-26 05:09:47 PM  

AirForceVet: ongbok: Another George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin thread. These threads make my dick itch.

No. That's the STD you caught from my mom.

/Sorry, in a touchy mood with the Trayvon Martin killing, since it could have been me as a Florida teen.


DUDE!
I was gonna blame HIS mom, but you made me realize fat chicks all look alike.
 
2013-05-26 05:31:56 PM  
Well, the rest of us are free to publicize the George Zimmerman is trigger-happy racist that killed a black kid for daring to walk through a white neighborhood.
 
2013-05-26 05:34:21 PM  
DRINK!
 
2013-05-26 05:34:34 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Well, the rest of us are free to publicize the George Zimmerman is trigger-happy racist that killed a black kid for daring to walk through a white neighborhood.


Proving you are a racist.
 
2013-05-26 05:45:29 PM  

AirForceVet: I think the Zimmerman defense team should have gone for a plea deal.

If some strange man came up to me when I was 17 in the middle of a Florida night and demanded why I was in my neighborhood, I'd have told him to fark off. If he touched me, I'd have kicked his ass too.

The only time something like that happened to me as a teen in Florida, the strange man had a wool cap over his head with eye holes cut into it, holding what appeared to be a small calibar semi-automatic handgun. I just lost $3 that night to the asshat. Called the cops but they couldn't find him, even with a K-9.

/Maybe Zimmerman should have had his gun out.
//Martin would have seen the reall threat that was hidden until too late.


Was it this dude?
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-05-26 05:47:42 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Well, the rest of us are free to publicize the George Zimmerman is trigger-happy racist that killed a black kid for daring to walk through a white neighborhood.


Drink!
 
2013-05-26 05:48:15 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "Angry black kid" is a bid redundant, no?


Youd be pissed off too if you were black
 
2013-05-26 05:49:32 PM  
Whoo hoo!  This thread is a Memorial Day Weekend miracle!
 
2013-05-26 05:50:14 PM  
Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...
 
2013-05-26 05:51:07 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
Trust everything the media tells you.
 
2013-05-26 05:51:10 PM  

AirForceVet: I think the Zimmerman defense team should have gone for a plea deal.

If some strange man came up to me when I was 17 in the middle of a Florida night and demanded why I was in my neighborhood, I'd have told him to fark off. If he touched me, I'd have kicked his ass too.

The only time something like that happened to me as a teen in Florida, the strange man had a wool cap over his head with eye holes cut into it, holding what appeared to be a small calibar semi-automatic handgun. I just lost $3 that night to the asshat. Called the cops but they couldn't find him, even with a K-9.

/Maybe Zimmerman should have had his gun out.
//Martin would have seen the reall threat that was hidden until too late.


They still could. And I suspect they still might, since they'll never be able to seat a jury.
 
2013-05-26 05:51:34 PM  
From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.
 
2013-05-26 05:51:57 PM  
Is he having a bench trial?
 
2013-05-26 05:52:55 PM  

ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.


You're funny.
 
2013-05-26 05:53:36 PM  
...and I will wait to see the absolute proof of that. And then why, if so, that proof justifies him being shot dead.
 
2013-05-26 05:53:49 PM  
You're going to look good in orange.
I guarantee it.
 
2013-05-26 05:54:14 PM  
If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.
 
2013-05-26 05:54:21 PM  

AirForceVet: I think the Zimmerman defense team should have gone for a plea deal.


Why?  The state basically handed them a free acquittal by going for 2nd degree murder, for which there's plenty of reasonable doubt even without the victim having a history of getting into brawls, instead of manslaughter, which doesn't require much in the way of intent and on which the victim's participation in the fight has no bearing.

Why would you take a plea deal when the state seems actively determined to get your client off for you through sheer incompetence?
 
2013-05-26 05:54:41 PM  

ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.


Clearly.
 
2013-05-26 05:55:50 PM  

ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.


This ... can't believe this is still being debated.  It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.
 
2013-05-26 05:55:51 PM  

gimmegimme: ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

You're funny.



Where's Martin's side?  Oh right.
 
2013-05-26 05:56:36 PM  

thisiszombocom: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "Angry black kid" is a bid redundant, no?

Youd be pissed off too if you were black


The giant penis would be nice, though
 
2013-05-26 05:58:07 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.


Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

files.abovetopsecret.com

www.washingtonpost.com
 
2013-05-26 05:58:17 PM  

seadoo2006: ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

This ... can't believe this is still being debated.  It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.



That this is Zimmerman's story isn't being debated.
 
2013-05-26 05:59:27 PM  
Zimmerman walks. The only reason they aimed for so high.a charge was to try to get him to plea deal. The prosecution doesn't have enough evidence.
 
2013-05-26 05:59:37 PM  

Abox: seadoo2006: ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

This ... can't believe this is still being debated.  It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.


That this is Zimmerman's story isn't being debated.


Dude, why wouldn't you take Zimmerman's story at face value?
 
2013-05-26 06:01:43 PM  
So by that logic if the kid was a drunk abusive Irish man that beat his wife it would be okay to shoot him as well.

When did text messages become de facto proof that warrants killing people?
 
2013-05-26 06:02:47 PM  
Not an angry black kid, a violent and assaultive black kid.
 
2013-05-26 06:03:28 PM  
We don't have Martin's side of the story, so whatever we make up is now indisputable evidence.
 
2013-05-26 06:03:42 PM  
My money is on Zimmerman eating a bullet in a few years.
 
2013-05-26 06:03:56 PM  

seadoo2006: ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

This ... can't believe this is still being debated.  It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.


You really need trolling lessons. Luckily, there are some masters around here that could probably take you under their wing.
 
2013-05-26 06:04:16 PM  

gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 520x673]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 500x749]


i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.
 
2013-05-26 06:04:37 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: He lost two fights in the same night. Pretty sure he took a dive because Mr. Wallace paid him off.


The pikey goes down in the fourth!
 
2013-05-26 06:04:42 PM  
Did anyone see this story on 20/20?  A dude in Texas had neighbors who were pretty far away who were having a party.  Dude strolls over armed and shot a bunch of unarmed people, all the while telling his video camera "I'm afraid fer ma life!"  The video of the incident, of course, is about as scary as a My Little Pony episode.

Sorry Georgie, you can't go around shooting people for no reason.
 
2013-05-26 06:06:58 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 520x673]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 500x749]

i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.


Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.
 
2013-05-26 06:07:02 PM  

mexican bathtub cheese: Not an angry black kid, a violent and assaultive black kid.


Did he have a criminal record for violence and assault?
 
2013-05-26 06:08:23 PM  
Why didn't Zimmerman stay the fark in his car like he was told to?
 
2013-05-26 06:08:49 PM  

Ryker's Peninsula: You're going to look good in orange.
I guarantee it.


I am saddened to admit that yep, that's the first thing I hear whenever I hear the name George Zimmer...
 
2013-05-26 06:08:54 PM  
Not this thread again.
 
2013-05-26 06:09:00 PM  
"Look, the kid took pictures of stuff.  He clearly deserved to be killed."
 
2013-05-26 06:09:06 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: seadoo2006:
This ... can't believe this is still being debated.  It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.

You really need trolling lessons. Luckily, there are some masters around here that could probably take you under their wing.


He has the poor grammar down. That's a decent effort, you have to admit. Sadly, I think he's a bit too short to be in the Troll Core.
 
2013-05-26 06:09:14 PM  

gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 520x673]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 500x749]

i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.


Does that mean I can just walk through your yard anytime, while looking suspicious, and get pissed if anyoen asks me why I'm doing so and if they keep following me after I "try" to leave.  Can I beat up that homeowner for doing so?
 
2013-05-26 06:09:24 PM  

A Terrible Human: Why didn't Zimmerman stay the fark in his car like he was told to?


Because "they" always get away.
 
2013-05-26 06:09:39 PM  

ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.


I find the highlighted part above the interesting bit.
 
2013-05-26 06:10:49 PM  

seadoo2006: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 520x673]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 500x749]

i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.

Does that mean I can just walk through your yard anytime, while looking suspicious, and get pissed if anyoen asks me why I'm doing so and if they keep following me after I "try" to leave.  Can I beat up that homeowner for doing so?


Zimmerman didn't own the home.  Your analogy is sillypants.

Besides, you would call 911 and do as you're told.
 
2013-05-26 06:11:09 PM  

Abox: seadoo2006: ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

This ... can't believe this is still being debated.  It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.


That this is Zimmerman's story isn't being debated.


His story is backed up by the evidence.
He lost sight of Martin while on the phone with dispatch.
Dispatcher: What's your apartment number?
Zimmerman: It's a home it's 1950, oh crap, I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is.

Zimmerman then suffers a broken nose, injured head, and shows signs he was struggling while on his back. These are all signs of being the victim, not the aggressor.
 
2013-05-26 06:12:21 PM  

Saturn5: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 554x322]
Trust everything the media tells you.


Actually, the Predator won't kill you if you're unarmed.
 
2013-05-26 06:12:54 PM  

gimmegimme: A Terrible Human: Why didn't Zimmerman stay the fark in his car like he was told to?

Because "they" always get away.


First rule of acting out of self defense:  If you can escape the situation, do so.

/zeroth rule is if you can avoid the situation...
 
2013-05-26 06:13:12 PM  

gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 520x673]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 500x749]

i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.


That's a perfect way to start a fight.
To bad that's not what happened in this case.
 
2013-05-26 06:13:55 PM  
The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.
 
2013-05-26 06:13:56 PM  

ChaosStar: Abox: seadoo2006: ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

This ... can't believe this is still being debated.  It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.


That this is Zimmerman's story isn't being debated.

His story is backed up by the evidence.
He lost sight of Martin while on the phone with dispatch.
Dispatcher: What's your apartment number?
Zimmerman: It's a home it's 1950, oh crap, I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is.

Zimmerman then suffers a broken nose, injured head, and shows signs he was struggling while on his back. These are all signs of being the victim, not the aggressor.


Was that before Zimmerman was told to fark off and go home?
 
2013-05-26 06:14:39 PM  

Abox: mexican bathtub cheese: Not an angry black kid, a violent and assaultive black kid.

Did he have a criminal record for violence and assault?


Your mother doesn't have a criminal record for prostitution either.
 
2013-05-26 06:14:40 PM  

special20: My money is on Zimmerman eating a bullet in a few years.


My money is on Zimm eating a few more tacos before that.

i.imgur.com

(I have no idea why I felt the need to include VJack. It just sort of happened that way)
 
2013-05-26 06:14:57 PM  

tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.


Aggressive people don't often run away.
 
2013-05-26 06:15:39 PM  

MJMaloney187: Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...


No, it has yet to be allowed

Some of it will be allowed. This judge will be overturned on appeal if evidence is not allowed and Zimmerman is convicted....esp any evidence showing TM stoned around the time of incident, pot use, and any time the prosecutors spew the "Trayvon was a 14 yr old honor student" BS

It is obvious that the prosecution is in trouble.... they want all the negative Trayvon evidence excluded....you can't lynch an innocent man if you are caught cold busted lying

Just wonder how much of their ghetto the Black Racists gonna burn when they can't lynch Zimmerman...
 
2013-05-26 06:15:57 PM  

A Terrible Human: Why didn't Zimmerman stay the fark in his car like he was told to?


He might have, if he had been told to stay in his car. He wasn't though; he was asked by the dispatcher if he was following him (Martin), he said yes, the dispatcher told him that he didn't need to do that to which he replied ok and stopped.
 
2013-05-26 06:16:28 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: MJMaloney187: Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...

No, it has yet to be allowed

Some of it will be allowed. This judge will be overturned on appeal if evidence is not allowed and Zimmerman is convicted....esp any evidence showing TM stoned around the time of incident, pot use, and any time the prosecutors spew the "Trayvon was a 14 yr old honor student" BS

It is obvious that the prosecution is in trouble.... they want all the negative Trayvon evidence excluded....you can't lynch an innocent man if you are caught cold busted lying

Just wonder how much of their ghetto the Black Racists gonna burn when they can't lynch Zimmerman...


Ted Nugent isn't black...
 
2013-05-26 06:17:18 PM  

gimmegimme: seadoo2006: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

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i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.

Does that mean I can just walk through your yard anytime, while looking suspicious, and get pissed if anyoen asks me why I'm doing so and if they keep following me after I "try" to leave.  Can I beat up that homeowner for doing so?

Zimmerman didn't own the home.  Your analogy is sillypants.

Besides, you would call 911 and do as you're told.


Uh, no, I've called 911 on several obvious drunk drivers and a couple hit-and-run people and followed them even against the 911 operator's advice ... why you may ask? For the same reason that people own guns, because by the time the police show up, that person is long gone.

Put it another way ... if you were sideswiped in traffic and the person took off ... would you call the police and wait for them to catch the hit and run, or would you keep your tabs on them until the police got there?  I mean, that's what insurance is for, so why do you give two shiats if the person that hit your car is caught or not.
 
2013-05-26 06:17:22 PM  

gimmegimme: ChaosStar: Abox: seadoo2006: ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

This ... can't believe this is still being debated.  It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.


That this is Zimmerman's story isn't being debated.

His story is backed up by the evidence.
He lost sight of Martin while on the phone with dispatch.
Dispatcher: What's your apartment number?
Zimmerman: It's a home it's 1950, oh crap, I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is.

Zimmerman then suffers a broken nose, injured head, and shows signs he was struggling while on his back. These are all signs of being the victim, not the aggressor.

Was that before Zimmerman was told to fark off and go home?


Considering he never was, I'm gonna go with... before?
 
2013-05-26 06:17:41 PM  

Abox: mexican bathtub cheese: Not an angry black kid, a violent and assaultive black kid.

Did he have a criminal record for violence and assault?


George Zimmerman did.
 
2013-05-26 06:18:20 PM  

Saturn5: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 554x322]
Trust everything the media tells you.


As opposed to the media image of Martin being a pot smoker and a....

mexican bathtub cheese: Not an angry black kid, a violent and assaultive black kid.


as well as....

seadoo2006: This ... can't believe this is still being debated.  It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.

 
2013-05-26 06:18:21 PM  

ChaosStar: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

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[www.washingtonpost.com image 500x749]

i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.

That's a perfect way to start a fight.
To bad that's not what happened in this case.


Tell us what happened. You seem to know something the rest of the country doesn't.
 
2013-05-26 06:19:08 PM  

seadoo2006: Does that mean I can just walk through your yard anytime, while looking suspicious black, and get pissed shot if anyoen asks me why I'm doing so and if they keep following me after I "try" to leave. Can I beat up that homeowner for doing so?


ftfy
 
2013-05-26 06:19:34 PM  
Every teenager is hostile. Great detective work there, Lou. Hell, sitting in traffic makes me hostile.

Hostile texts does not justiy killing me.
 
2013-05-26 06:19:41 PM  

seadoo2006: gimmegimme: seadoo2006: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 520x673]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 500x749]

i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.

Does that mean I can just walk through your yard anytime, while looking suspicious, and get pissed if anyoen asks me why I'm doing so and if they keep following me after I "try" to leave.  Can I beat up that homeowner for doing so?

Zimmerman didn't own the home.  Your analogy is sillypants.

Besides, you would call 911 and do as you're told.

Uh, no, I've called 911 on several obvious drunk drivers and a couple hit-and-run people and followed them even against the 911 operator's advice ... why you may ask? For the same reason that people own guns, because by the time the police show up, that person is long gone.

Put it another way ... if you were sideswiped in traffic and the person took off ... would you call the police and wait for them to catch the hit and run, or would you keep your tabs on them until the police got there?  I mean, that's what insurance is for, so why do you give two shiats if the person that hit your car is caught or not.


Okay, okay...let's continue with your line of thought.  You would follow someone who just sideswiped you so you could get their license plate number.  You would stand out on your porch with a gun when someone walks through your yard.  (You're a helluva neighbor, by the way.)  I can see the logic here.

Why was Zimmerman following Martin?  Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?
 
2013-05-26 06:20:15 PM  

LegacyDL: So by that logic if the kid was a drunk abusive Irish man that beat his wife it would be okay to shoot him as well.

When did text messages become de facto proof that warrants killing people?


Calling yourself "No Limit Ni--a" on twitter don't help either
 
2013-05-26 06:20:42 PM  

special20: My money is on Zimmerman eating a bullet in a few years.


He should be housed with Jodi Arias.
 
2013-05-26 06:21:11 PM  

gimmegimme: seadoo2006: gimmegimme: seadoo2006: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 520x673]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 500x749]

i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.

Does that mean I can just walk through your yard anytime, while looking suspicious, and get pissed if anyoen asks me why I'm doing so and if they keep following me after I "try" to leave.  Can I beat up that homeowner for doing so?

Zimmerman didn't own the home.  Your analogy is sillypants.

Besides, you would call 911 and do as you're told.

Uh, no, I've called 911 on several obvious drunk drivers and a couple hit-and-run people and followed them even against the 911 operator's advice ... why you may ask? For the same reason that people own guns, because by the time the police show up, that person is long gone.

Put it another way ... if you were sideswiped in traffic and the person took off ... would you call the police and wait for them to catch the hit and run, or would you keep your tabs on them until the police got there?  I mean, that's what insurance is for, so why do you give two shiats if the person that hit your car is caught or not.

Okay, okay...let's continue with your line of thought.  You would f ...


I believe having a CCW makes anything an 'armed pursuit' ...
 
2013-05-26 06:21:19 PM  
The mestizo walks. The only time he might have done anything illegal was the period for which we have only his account.
 
2013-05-26 06:21:31 PM  

duffblue: ChaosStar: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 520x673]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 500x749]

i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.

That's a perfect way to start a fight.
To bad that's not what happened in this case.

Tell us what happened. You seem to know something the rest of the country doesn't.


Be cause your hyperbolic rest of the country doesn't read the phone call transcripts, listen to the calls, read the witness statements, Zimmerman's statements, etc.
It's all outlined, its all pretty much follows Zimmerman's accounting of things.
No, everyone just grabs onto whatever story they heard on the news the night of the shooting, or whatever misinformation was distributed through Facebook, Twitter, and whatever other social media people use these days and treats it as gospel.
 
2013-05-26 06:21:32 PM  

Saturn5: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 554x322]
Trust everything the media tells you.


I was under the impression that Martin was portrayed as a somewhat typical teenager and that Zimmerman was thought of as being more like this minus the badge:

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2013-05-26 06:21:41 PM  

gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: MJMaloney187: Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...

No, it has yet to be allowed

Some of it will be allowed. This judge will be overturned on appeal if evidence is not allowed and Zimmerman is convicted....esp any evidence showing TM stoned around the time of incident, pot use, and any time the prosecutors spew the "Trayvon was a 14 yr old honor student" BS

It is obvious that the prosecution is in trouble.... they want all the negative Trayvon evidence excluded....you can't lynch an innocent man if you are caught cold busted lying

Just wonder how much of their ghetto the Black Racists gonna burn when they can't lynch Zimmerman...

Ted Nugent isn't black...


You probably aren't old enough to remember the Rodney king riots
 
2013-05-26 06:21:46 PM  

ChaosStar: Zimmerman then suffers a broken nose, injured head, and shows signs he was struggling while on his back. These are all signs of being the victim, not the aggressor.


No sir.  Those are signs that he was on the losing end of a fight.  A gun may make you feel tough but it doesn't make you tough.
 
2013-05-26 06:21:48 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: LegacyDL: So by that logic if the kid was a drunk abusive Irish man that beat his wife it would be okay to shoot him as well.

When did text messages become de facto proof that warrants killing people?

Calling yourself "No Limit Ni--a" on twitter don't help either


Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?
 
2013-05-26 06:22:47 PM  

tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.


All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him
 
2013-05-26 06:23:39 PM  

gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: LegacyDL: So by that logic if the kid was a drunk abusive Irish man that beat his wife it would be okay to shoot him as well.

When did text messages become de facto proof that warrants killing people?

Calling yourself "No Limit Ni--a" on twitter don't help either

Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?


Who said it was a murder?
 
2013-05-26 06:24:13 PM  

gimmegimme: Why was Zimmerman following Martin? Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?


weird questions.
since when do you need authority to follow someone?
 
2013-05-26 06:24:24 PM  
And yet the fat white guy with the jumpy trigger finger odds the Jeep on this story?

/either this is a stunt from his lawyers to gain sympathy from the judge/jury, or he's got a shiatty defence, I can't decide
 
2013-05-26 06:24:43 PM  

duffblue: gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: MJMaloney187: Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...

No, it has yet to be allowed

Some of it will be allowed. This judge will be overturned on appeal if evidence is not allowed and Zimmerman is convicted....esp any evidence showing TM stoned around the time of incident, pot use, and any time the prosecutors spew the "Trayvon was a 14 yr old honor student" BS

It is obvious that the prosecution is in trouble.... they want all the negative Trayvon evidence excluded....you can't lynch an innocent man if you are caught cold busted lying

Just wonder how much of their ghetto the Black Racists gonna burn when they can't lynch Zimmerman...

Ted Nugent isn't black...

You probably aren't old enough to remember the Rodney king riots


Are you aware that there are riots caused by non-blah people?

seadoo2006: I believe having a CCW makes anything an 'armed pursuit' ...


You didn't answer my questions.  Why was Zimmerman following Martin?  Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?
 
2013-05-26 06:24:45 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him



But really who can say who chased who with a gun at this point.  Coulda been Martin on the phone with 911 stalking Zim.
 
2013-05-26 06:24:50 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him


So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?
 
2013-05-26 06:25:40 PM  
I can't believe there are still Zimmerman fanboys.
 
2013-05-26 06:26:19 PM  
shiat, I thought he'd already gotten off with that defense.
 
2013-05-26 06:26:21 PM  

duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?



Nah, wait til the stranger in a dark parking lot gets a shot off.
 
2013-05-26 06:26:31 PM  
Trayvon had a picture of a gun on his phone, so now the defense is going to try to infer that he owned a gun? Well, I have a picture of a 12 inch dick on my iPhone, so I must be Peter North!

Since he had gold teeth, Trayvon must have also been a hoodlum! Quick, someone stop Ke$ha before she robs a 7-11!

Good lord, there's even video of him fighting in the schoolyard, which no other teenage boy does - ever!

Well, based on this totally non-circumstantial evidence that was totally not a fishing expedition and delay tactic, it's obvious that Zimmerman totally gave that thug what he deserved, because that's what a tough, virile lawman that gets all the ladies moist does!
 
2013-05-26 06:26:56 PM  

duffblue: gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: LegacyDL: So by that logic if the kid was a drunk abusive Irish man that beat his wife it would be okay to shoot him as well.

When did text messages become de facto proof that warrants killing people?

Calling yourself "No Limit Ni--a" on twitter don't help either

Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?

Who said it was a murder?


Wow, all of the Zimknobslobberers are being evasive tonight.  I'll rephrase to try and get an answer.

Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's death caused by some means?

tenpoundsofcheese:
gimmegimme: Why was Zimmerman following Martin? Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?

weird questions.
since when do you need authority to follow someone?


You're really denying that Zim was playing police officer?
 
2013-05-26 06:27:01 PM  

Abox: ChaosStar: Zimmerman then suffers a broken nose, injured head, and shows signs he was struggling while on his back. These are all signs of being the victim, not the aggressor.

No sir.  Those are signs that he was on the losing end of a fight.  A gun may make you feel tough but it doesn't make you tough.


The gun certainly made Martin a lot weaker didn't it? It's a force multiplier so, yeah, it does make you tougher in that you can use it to walk away from a situation that an unarmed person wouldn't live through.

Being on the losing side of a fight, where you're getting your head bashed open, is grounds for escalation of force when defending yourself, as you are in fear for your life. Especially when you didn't start said fight.
 
2013-05-26 06:27:44 PM  

gimmegimme: duffblue: gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: MJMaloney187: Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...

No, it has yet to be allowed

Some of it will be allowed. This judge will be overturned on appeal if evidence is not allowed and Zimmerman is convicted....esp any evidence showing TM stoned around the time of incident, pot use, and any time the prosecutors spew the "Trayvon was a 14 yr old honor student" BS

It is obvious that the prosecution is in trouble.... they want all the negative Trayvon evidence excluded....you can't lynch an innocent man if you are caught cold busted lying

Just wonder how much of their ghetto the Black Racists gonna burn when they can't lynch Zimmerman...

Ted Nugent isn't black...

You probably aren't old enough to remember the Rodney king riots

Are you aware that there are riots caused by non-blah people?

seadoo2006: I believe having a CCW makes anything an 'armed pursuit' ...

You didn't answer my questions.  Why was Zimmerman following Martin?  Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?


No shiat sherlock, why would I talk about soccer riots though?
 
2013-05-26 06:28:01 PM  

duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?


Is it acceptable to assault someone you are confronting?
 
2013-05-26 06:28:13 PM  

duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?


You'd think this was painfully obvious by now, but we have only Zimmerman's word for it that Martin struck first, and its possible he has some motivation for lying in this regard...
 
2013-05-26 06:28:25 PM  

ChaosStar: Especially when you didn't start said fight.


Sorry, I didn't realize the trial was over.
 
2013-05-26 06:29:10 PM  

gimmegimme: duffblue: gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: MJMaloney187: Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...

No, it has yet to be allowed

Some of it will be allowed. This judge will be overturned on appeal if evidence is not allowed and Zimmerman is convicted....esp any evidence showing TM stoned around the time of incident, pot use, and any time the prosecutors spew the "Trayvon was a 14 yr old honor student" BS

It is obvious that the prosecution is in trouble.... they want all the negative Trayvon evidence excluded....you can't lynch an innocent man if you are caught cold busted lying

Just wonder how much of their ghetto the Black Racists gonna burn when they can't lynch Zimmerman...

Ted Nugent isn't black...

You probably aren't old enough to remember the Rodney king riots

Are you aware that there are riots caused by non-blah people?

seadoo2006: I believe having a CCW makes anything an 'armed pursuit' ...

You didn't answer my questions.  Why was Zimmerman following Martin?


It doesn't matter.  Unless you have a restraining order, you are allowed to follow people in this country.

Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?

It doesn't matter.  He had authority to be armed (I assume he had a license to be armed), you don't anyone's authority to pursuit (aka follow) someone.
 
2013-05-26 06:29:22 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?

Is it acceptable to assault someone you are confronting?


Is it acceptable to shoot someone you've been stalking and hunting for no reason after being told by 911 to go home?
 
2013-05-26 06:29:25 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?

You'd think this was painfully obvious by now, but we have only Zimmerman's word for it that Martin struck first, and its possible he has some motivation for lying in this regard...


Hence reasonable doubt
 
2013-05-26 06:29:43 PM  
Shiat, I have photos of a gun on my phone from the last time I was at the range. A machine gun even! Guess that means I'm in need of a killin'.
 
2013-05-26 06:29:54 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?

You'd think this was painfully obvious by now, but we have only Zimmerman's word for it that Martin struck first, and its possible he has some motivation for lying in this regard...


But it's impossible for him to be telling the truth, right Nancy Grace?
 
2013-05-26 06:31:08 PM  

Doom MD: Wolf_Blitzer: duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?

You'd think this was painfully obvious by now, but we have only Zimmerman's word for it that Martin struck first, and its possible he has some motivation for lying in this regard...

Hence reasonable doubt


How convenient that you can create reasonable doubt by killing your victim instead of being him up.

tenpoundsofcheese: It doesn't matter. He had authority to be armed (I assume he had a license to be armed), you don't anyone's authority to pursuit (aka follow) someone.


Why was he pursuing Martin in the first place?  Surely he had a reason to roll around behind the kid and then follow him on foot.
 
2013-05-26 06:31:18 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: LegacyDL: So by that logic if the kid was a drunk abusive Irish man that beat his wife it would be okay to shoot him as well.

When did text messages become de facto proof that warrants killing people?

Calling yourself "No Limit Ni--a" on twitter don't help either


apparently that limit was reached.  he was weighed, he was measured, and he was found wanting.
 
2013-05-26 06:31:35 PM  
gimmegimme:
Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?

I think it's somewhere in the guidelines that when you jump on someone and start bashing their head into the pavement, they'll probably try to shoot you if they can.
 
2013-05-26 06:31:37 PM  

duffblue: gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: MJMaloney187: Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...

No, it has yet to be allowed

Some of it will be allowed. This judge will be overturned on appeal if evidence is not allowed and Zimmerman is convicted....esp any evidence showing TM stoned around the time of incident, pot use, and any time the prosecutors spew the "Trayvon was a 14 yr old honor student" BS

It is obvious that the prosecution is in trouble.... they want all the negative Trayvon evidence excluded....you can't lynch an innocent man if you are caught cold busted lying

Just wonder how much of their ghetto the Black Racists gonna burn when they can't lynch Zimmerman...

Ted Nugent isn't black...

You probably aren't old enough to remember the Rodney king riots


The "negative Trayon evidence" might be considered largely irrelevant.  Zimmerman didn't know anything about him, except what happened that night.  And the fact that he lost a fight might serve as a motive for his pursuit and shooting.
 
2013-05-26 06:31:41 PM  
Imagine a road rage incident where you chase a guy down because what the hell you have a gun, you get into a fight, and you shoot the guy dead because you were losing the fight.  B-b-b-but I was standing my ground!
 
2013-05-26 06:32:08 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?

You'd think this was painfully obvious by now, but we have only Zimmerman's word for it that Martin struck first, and its possible he has some motivation for lying in this regard...


Naw, what possible motive might Zimmerman have for lying about who struck first?
 
2013-05-26 06:32:38 PM  

ChaosStar: A Terrible Human: Why didn't Zimmerman stay the fark in his car like he was told to?

He might have, if he had been told to stay in his car. He wasn't though; he was asked by the dispatcher if he was following him (Martin), he said yes, the dispatcher told him that he didn't need to do that to which he replied ok and stopped.


A dispatcher is not a law enforcement officer in Seminole County.....they cannot order you to not do something. A dispatcher could be prosecuted and sent to prison if they mislead that they are law enforcement and they are not

If the Tobias Funke clone of a prosecutor goes down this route w the dispatcher....GZ lawyers will go analrapist on him. Tobias would be making one huge mistake... he blue the case

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2013-05-26 06:32:40 PM  
I'm sorry, if someone approaches me with a gun, I don't try to kick his ass.  I lay down, ask him to call the police, and sort it out.

I don't know what level of ignorance it requires to actively fight someone with a firearm, but this kid was surely under it.
 
2013-05-26 06:32:44 PM  

gimmegimme: Abox: seadoo2006: ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

This ... can't believe this is still being debated.  It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.


That this is Zimmerman's story isn't being debated.

Dude, why wouldn't you take Zimmerman's story at face value?


We don't need to take his story at face value.

  - The physical evidence available to police confirms the story
  - The electronic (cell phone), information available to police confirms the story
  - The actual eye witnesses corroborate the story
  - The medical evidence (both Zimmerman's wounds, and the coroner's report) confirm the story
  - After several hours of interrogation, police believed his story

... and finally,
 
  - Any other alternate descriptions of the event are based on pure speculation of attitudes or events that either appear to conflict with the character history of those involved (Zimmerman as a racist, Martin as non-violent), or are impossible to prove (Zimmerman initiated a physical assault after the phone call), and thus not valid evidence, and should be ignored.

We have no need to take his story at face value; it's already been tested at the hands of the law, and it has passed.  It's a reasonable explanation of events, and it's been confirmed to the best ability of the professionals who's job it is to handle such things.

I suspect that those who disagree, who cling to their speculations, are actually exhibiting some sort of bias; either versus authority, guns, assumed guilt of the survivor of a conflict, or simply by way of racial discrimination.
 
2013-05-26 06:33:03 PM  
Subby your love for criminals and hatred towards those who stop them is wrong-headed and ignorant.

But then I guess you already know that don't you?
 
2013-05-26 06:33:13 PM  
gimmegimme:

Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's death caused by some means?

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Why was Zimmerman following Martin? Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?

weird questions.
since when do you need authority to follow someone?

You're really denying that Zim was playing police officer?


I'll answer your question by telling you that no one is saying that the online rhetoric is justification for Martin's death. You're the only one making that connection.
What the defense is saying is that Martin wasn't the angel the media made him out to be, in fact he was the type likely to punch Zimmerman in the nose and beat his head on the sidewalk for a perceived slight to himself and this online rhetoric goes to prove that. There's your answer.

As to your second, no, Zimmerman wasn't playing police officer. He was being a concerned citizen who was reporting everything he was seeing to the police, and following the instructions from the dispatcher including not following Martin when he was told he didn't need to.
 
2013-05-26 06:33:15 PM  

gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Why was Zimmerman following Martin? Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?

weird questions.
since when do you need authority to follow someone?

You're really denying that Zim was playing police officer?


If the definition of "playing police officer" is following someone, then yes, he was following Martin so by your definition he was playing police officer.  Now, there is nothing illegal about following someone, so I am not sure what your point is.

Why would you imply that he needed to get permission from someone to follow someone else?
 
2013-05-26 06:33:19 PM  

tyrajam: gimmegimme:
Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?

I think it's somewhere in the guidelines that when you jump on someone and start bashing their head into the pavement, they'll probably try to shoot you if they can.


What you said makes no sense.  What possible motivation do people have for bringing Martin's online speech into a discussion of his death?
 
2013-05-26 06:34:42 PM  

Abox: ChaosStar: Especially when you didn't start said fight.

Sorry, I didn't realize the trial was over.


This trial was over when they went for a murder in the second degree charge. It won't happen.
 
2013-05-26 06:35:12 PM  
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But will he still sell me an affordable suit?

/And can I set that tie on fire? It's hideous.
 
2013-05-26 06:35:21 PM  
It's s'funny the Farkers here drawing parallels to their Florida youth, these guys would already bringing their personal biases into the courtroom, they won't sit you...the defense is gonna have a jury of a dozen busdrivers, http://www.examiner.com/article/trayvon-martin-s-ten-day-suspension
& you can bet on a McDuffie verdict (Google it, young'ins-thorns shoved down a dying kid's throat)
 
2013-05-26 06:35:28 PM  

Abox: Imagine a road rage incident where you chase a guy down because what the hell you have a gun, you get into a fight, and you shoot the guy dead because you were losing the fight.  B-b-b-but I was standing my ground!


That's exactly the type of altercation that SYG was passed for ... the ability for someone who is in a weaker position to kill someone in a potentially lethal stronger position.  You'd think for all the pro-gun tards, you'd be happy someone stood their ground.

God forbid, you know, you were beat up for your wallet and wanted to defend yourself ... isn't that what you're all for.  It doesn't matter if Martin was being followed ... the evidence shows that Zimmerman was beat up, thus, allowing SYG to be used.  Wasn't Florida the state that said SYG was legal for verbal threats as well?
 
2013-05-26 06:35:39 PM  
Sure...and the drunk driver thinks his alcohol use is not relevant in his case

Trademark was stoned when he assaulted GZ...he uses pot...it will come in
 
2013-05-26 06:36:03 PM  

quietwalker: gimmegimme: Abox: seadoo2006: ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

This ... can't believe this is still being debated.  It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.


That this is Zimmerman's story isn't being debated.

Dude, why wouldn't you take Zimmerman's story at face value?

We don't need to take his story at face value.

  - The physical evidence available to police confirms the story
  - The electronic (cell phone), information available to police confirms the story
  - The actual eye witnesses corroborate the story
  - The medical evidence (both Zimmerman's wounds, and the coroner's report) confirm the story
  - After several hours of interrogation, police believed his story

... and finally,
 
  - Any other alternate descriptions of the event are based on pure speculation of attitudes or events that either appear to conflict with the character history of those involved (Zimmerman as a racist, Martin as non-violent), or are impossible to prove (Zimmerman initiated a physical assault after the phone call), and thus not valid evidence, and should be ignored.

We have n ...


I thought this hadn't gone to trial yet... Interesting. So they are re-trying him?
 
2013-05-26 06:36:23 PM  
So when trying to establish whether he was assaulted or not, it's irrelevant to present information specifically about Martin's character when it comes to violence, crime and drug abuse? That's racist?
 
2013-05-26 06:36:40 PM  

Abox: I B-b-b-but I was standing my ground!


The SYG immunity was not applicable here. WTF are you yapping about.
 
2013-05-26 06:36:55 PM  
No one needs police permission to follow someone.

A police dispatcher cannot order you not to follow someone.

Being followed is not a lawful justification for assaulting someone.

Reasonable force may be used to defend against an assault.

Deadly force is reasonable and lawful to defend against an assault where that assault likely will result in death or serious bodily injury. 

Nothing I just said makes sense to a liberal.
 
2013-05-26 06:36:58 PM  

ChaosStar: What the defense is saying is that Martin wasn't the angel the media made him out to be, in fact he was the type likely to punch Zimmerman in the nose and beat his head on the sidewalk for a perceived slight to himself and this online rhetoric goes to prove that. There's your answer.

As to your second, no, Zimmerman wasn't playing police officer. He was being a concerned citizen who was reporting everything he was seeing to the police, and following the instructions from the dispatcher including not following Martin when he was told he didn't need to.


Why does Martin's online rhetoric matter, but Zimmerman's history of violence doesn't?  If Zimmerman ended the pursuit after being told "you don't have to do that," why wasn't he driving home?

tenpoundsofcheese: If the definition of "playing police officer" is following someone, then yes, he was following Martin so by your definition he was playing police officer. Now, there is nothing illegal about following someone, so I am not sure what your point is.

Why would you imply that he needed to get permission from someone to follow someone else?


Surely Zimmerman had a good reason to follow Martin, right?
 
2013-05-26 06:37:41 PM  

gimmegimme: Doom MD: Wolf_Blitzer: duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?

You'd think this was painfully obvious by now, but we have only Zimmerman's word for it that Martin struck first, and its possible he has some motivation for lying in this regard...

Hence reasonable doubt

How convenient that you can create reasonable doubt by killing your victim instead of being him up.

tenpoundsofcheese: It doesn't matter. He had authority to be armed (I assume he had a license to be armed), you don't anyone's authority to pursuit (aka follow) someone.

Why was he pursuing Martin in the first place?  Surely he had a reason to roll around behind the kid and then follow him on foot.


Burden of proof is proving that Zimmerman murdered Trayvon. It's not who is more likely telling the truth.
 
2013-05-26 06:38:42 PM  

Abox: Imagine a road rage incident where you chase a guy down because what the hell you have a gun, you get into a fight, and you shoot the guy dead because you were losing the fight.

when the gun goes off in the middle of the fight.

I don't know if that happened, but if I were the defense attorney, that would be one of scenarios I would try in getting to "reasonable doubt".   You see it all the time in the movies.  Fight.  Gun goes off.  Each person looks at each other as if to say "one of us were shot, was it you?".  One guy falls to the ground.
 
2013-05-26 06:38:57 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: ChaosStar: A Terrible Human: Why didn't Zimmerman stay the fark in his car like he was told to?

He might have, if he had been told to stay in his car. He wasn't though; he was asked by the dispatcher if he was following him (Martin), he said yes, the dispatcher told him that he didn't need to do that to which he replied ok and stopped.

A dispatcher is not a law enforcement officer in Seminole County.....they cannot order you to not do something. A dispatcher could be prosecuted and sent to prison if they mislead that they are law enforcement and they are not

If the Tobias Funke clone of a prosecutor goes down this route w the dispatcher....GZ lawyers will go analrapist on him. Tobias would be making one huge mistake... he blue the case

(Welcome back Arrested Development)


I'm not sure what side you're coming down on on this. I never said the dispatcher told him what to do or said they were a leo?
They told him that he didn't need to follow Martin, he said ok and stopped. Everyone keeps clinging to the (madeup) story that Zimmerman charged up to Martin and started demanding answers from him when the only time they exchanged words was right before Martin started the altercation that led to the shooting.
 
2013-05-26 06:39:10 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Sure...and the drunk driver thinks his alcohol use is not relevant in his case

Trademark was stoned when he assaulted GZ...he uses pot...it will come in


A drunk driver isn't followed around by his car for several minutes in a suspicious manner.

Tatsuma: So when trying to establish whether he was assaulted or not, it's irrelevant to present information specifically about Martin's character when it comes to violence, crime and drug abuse? That's racist?


So you're admitting that Zimmerman has a documented history of real violence.  Awesome.
 
2013-05-26 06:39:37 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?

You'd think this was painfully obvious by now, but we have only Zimmerman's word for it that Martin struck first, and its possible he has some motivation for lying in this regard...


Well his testimony and the coroner's report
 
2013-05-26 06:39:53 PM  

gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

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i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.


...even if you're a cop, that's the sort of shiat that would get you thrown off the force in a sane world (and even a few weeks paid leave in this insane one), unless you had ironclad absolute proof that he was an immediate threat to anyone else. Zimmerman doesn't even have proof that Martin started the final altercation that got him killed.
 
2013-05-26 06:39:55 PM  

mexican bathtub cheese: No one needs police permission to follow someone.

A police dispatcher cannot order you not to follow someone.

Being followed is not a lawful justification for assaulting someone.

Reasonable force may be used to defend against an assault.

Deadly force is reasonable and lawful to defend against an assault where that assault likely will result in death or serious bodily injury. 

Nothing I just said makes sense to a liberal.


It makes perfect sense to me and I'm a liberal!
 
2013-05-26 06:40:19 PM  

AirForceVet: If some strange man came up to me when I was 17 in the middle of a Florida night and demanded why I was in my neighborhood, I'd have told him to fark off. If he touched me, I'd have kicked his ass too.


You would have been arrested also...
 
2013-05-26 06:40:25 PM  

tyrajam: The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.


From Wikipedia: The autopsy report stated that Martin had trace levels of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, in his blood and urine.[144][145] The toxicology report found the levels to be 1.5 nanograms/ml of THC and 7.3 nanograms/ml of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked.[144][145] Larry Kobilinsky, a professor of forensic science, stated that the THC amount was so low that it may have been ingested days earlier and played no role in Martin's behavior.[146]

If he had consumed "purple drank" he would have had codeine in his system, which is not the case. Also, "drank" makes you lethargic, not aggressive (codeine is a sedative). "Drank" requires cough syrup, sprite (or vodka) and sometimes Jolly Ranchers. None of these items were purchased from Trayvon the night of his murder.

If you're going to troll, at least try harder than that.

2/10
 
2013-05-26 06:40:34 PM  

mexican bathtub cheese: No one needs police permission to follow someone.

A police dispatcher cannot order you not to follow someone.

Being followed is not a lawful justification for assaulting someone.

Reasonable force may be used to defend against an assault.

Deadly force is reasonable and lawful to defend against an assault where that assault likely will result in death or serious bodily injury. 

Nothing I just said makes sense to a liberal.


Sweeping generalizations made up of preconceived biases FTW
 
2013-05-26 06:40:49 PM  

ChaosStar: Abox: ChaosStar: Especially when you didn't start said fight.

Sorry, I didn't realize the trial was over.

This trial was over when they went for a murder in the second degree charge. It won't happen.


Oh sorry, I thought you were privy to some new info.  We know armed Zim was stalking unarmed Martin, we know there was a fight that cost Zim some skin, and we know Zim shot Martin. And we have Zim's side of the story.  I really can't wait for this trial to be over so the derpulation can stop.
 
2013-05-26 06:40:58 PM  

gimmegimme: So you're admitting that Zimmerman has a documented history of real violence. Awesome.


Both Martin and Zimmerman have documented use of violence. Zimmerman's was what, almost a decade prior, while Martin's was weeks before. Zimmerman had since then stayed away from trouble and had exemplary behavior, while Zimmerman was still pursuing criminal activity and talking about doing violent deeds over facebook and texts.
 
2013-05-26 06:41:34 PM  
Where is the internet dentist?
 
2013-05-26 06:41:51 PM  

Tatsuma: So when trying to establish whether he was assaulted or not, it's irrelevant to present information specifically about Martin's character when it comes to violence, crime and drug abuse? That's racist?


Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...
 
2013-05-26 06:43:01 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: So when trying to establish whether he was assaulted or not, it's irrelevant to present information specifically about Martin's character when it comes to violence, crime and drug abuse? That's racist?

Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...


Other than the fights on his phone and punching the bus driver?
 
2013-05-26 06:43:18 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: If he had consumed "purple drank" he would have had codeine in his system, which is not the case. Also, "drank" makes you lethargic, not aggressive (codeine is a sedative). "Drank" requires cough syrup, sprite (or vodka) and sometimes Jolly Ranchers. None of these items were purchased from Trayvon the night of his murder.


Actually that's false, he had both sprite (well, a variant, it was not iced tea, as reported) and he had skittles (doesn't just have to be Jolly Ranchers) and he has documented discussion about using codeine and drinking purple drank.

Doesn't mean he was high on the night, more likely he went to buy what he needed and was going back home to get high on some sizzurp.
 
2013-05-26 06:44:01 PM  

gimmegimme: ChaosStar: What the defense is saying is that Martin wasn't the angel the media made him out to be, in fact he was the type likely to punch Zimmerman in the nose and beat his head on the sidewalk for a perceived slight to himself and this online rhetoric goes to prove that. There's your answer.

As to your second, no, Zimmerman wasn't playing police officer. He was being a concerned citizen who was reporting everything he was seeing to the police, and following the instructions from the dispatcher including not following Martin when he was told he didn't need to.

Why does Martin's online rhetoric matter, but Zimmerman's history of violence doesn't?  If Zimmerman ended the pursuit after being told "you don't have to do that," why wasn't he driving home?


Who's saying Zimmerman's history of violence doesn't matter? No one but the voices in your head apparently, cause I haven't seen it in this thread.
Why wasn't he driving home? Well because he wasn't at his truck then, remember he stopped pursuit, and because he was waiting for a call from the officers to tell them where to meet, since he didn't want to say his address aloud as he didn't know where Martin was?
 
2013-05-26 06:44:08 PM  

seadoo2006: Abox: Imagine a road rage incident where you chase a guy down because what the hell you have a gun, you get into a fight, and you shoot the guy dead because you were losing the fight.  B-b-b-but I was standing my ground!

That's exactly the type of altercation that SYG was passed for



Chasing somebody down and shooting someone because you're on the losing end of a fight that would never had happened had you ACTUALLY stood your ground?  Ah, sure why not.
 
2013-05-26 06:44:13 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...


Well, except for the fights he himself talked about on social media sites, the fact that he assaulted a bus driver (adult in position of authority asking him what he was doing) and he was caught with burglary tools and stolen property in his locker.
 
2013-05-26 06:44:49 PM  

IlGreven: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

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i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.

...even if you're a cop, that's the sort of shiat that would get you thrown off the force in a sane world (and even a few weeks paid leave in this insane one), unless you had ironclad absolute proof that he was an immediate threat to anyone else. Zimmerman doesn't even have proof that Martin started the final altercation that got him killed.


Really? Because around here, if you're walking your dog after 11pm, or if you look 'young' and are out after 11pm (curfew), you can expect to be stopped, identified, and questioned as to your reason for being out.  If you don't have a valid reason for breaking curfew, you get a trip home and a summons to juvie court.  I'm 25 and have been stopped several times by the unmarked Cleveland Heights beat cop Grand Marquis'.

I'd say in MOST communities, youths that are walking around at night are going to be assigned a suspicious label and questioned.  I would expect no less from my local police department.  But, see, our PD bans kids from our business districts after 6pm, so I appreciate their concern for the general hoodlums that tend to loiter around.

http://www.clevelandheights.com/index.aspx?page=1004

"In addition, no unsupervised persons under the age of 18 may be on public streets in the Coventry business district, the Cedar Lee business district and the Severance Town Center between the hours of 6:00 pm to 6:00 am."
 
2013-05-26 06:45:22 PM  

seadoo2006: mexican bathtub cheese: No one needs police permission to follow someone.

A police dispatcher cannot order you not to follow someone.

Being followed is not a lawful justification for assaulting someone.

Reasonable force may be used to defend against an assault.

Deadly force is reasonable and lawful to defend against an assault where that assault likely will result in death or serious bodily injury. 

Nothing I just said makes sense to a liberal.

It makes perfect sense to me and I'm a liberal!


I meant liberal in the pejorative sense, not an actual liberal.
 
2013-05-26 06:45:46 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: AirForceVet: If some strange man came up to me when I was 17 in the middle of a Florida night and demanded why I was in my neighborhood, I'd have told him to fark off. If he touched me, I'd have kicked his ass too.

You would have been arrested also...


is what i meant
 
2013-05-26 06:45:47 PM  

gimmegimme: tyrajam: gimmegimme:
Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?

I think it's somewhere in the guidelines that when you jump on someone and start bashing their head into the pavement, they'll probably try to shoot you if they can.

What you said makes no sense.  What possible motivation do people have for bringing Martin's online speech into a discussion of his death?


What I'm saying-and I'll type slowly so you can follow-is that all that matters is that Zimmerman was attacked and his head was being bashed into the cement. That is why the police initially decided not to arrest Zimmerman.
 
2013-05-26 06:46:41 PM  

Abox: ChaosStar: Abox: ChaosStar: Especially when you didn't start said fight.

Sorry, I didn't realize the trial was over.

This trial was over when they went for a murder in the second degree charge. It won't happen.

Oh sorry, I thought you were privy to some new info.  We know armed Zim was stalking unarmed Martin, we know there was a fight that cost Zim some skin, and we know Zim shot Martin. And we have Zim's side of the story.  I really can't wait for this trial to be over so the derpulation can stop.


Really? You know he was stalking Martin? Please do cite a source for this because I can give you transcripts and audio that goes to the contrary. Seems like you're the one full of derpulation there chief.
 
2013-05-26 06:48:42 PM  

AngryDragon: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.


Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Try an experiment. Get a nice, soft pad, maybe a pillow, and a friend.

Lay flat on your back, and have your friend straddle you at the waist. Then have him try to "slam" your head back into the soft padding. Remind him that he's not allowed to pull your hair, because Zimmerman's head was shaved.

Without a very great difference in strength, I doubt it's even possible to slam someone's head into the ground if he offers resistance. Especially not from the position described.

And what exactly was Trayvon holding onto?
 
2013-05-26 06:48:52 PM  

ChaosStar: Abox: ChaosStar: Abox: ChaosStar: Especially when you didn't start said fight.

Sorry, I didn't realize the trial was over.

This trial was over when they went for a murder in the second degree charge. It won't happen.

Oh sorry, I thought you were privy to some new info.  We know armed Zim was stalking unarmed Martin, we know there was a fight that cost Zim some skin, and we know Zim shot Martin. And we have Zim's side of the story.  I really can't wait for this trial to be over so the derpulation can stop.

Really? You know he was stalking Martin? Please do cite a source for this because I can give you transcripts and audio that goes to the contrary. Seems like you're the one full of derpulation there chief.


The man with known power-trip and anger management issues biatching about how "they always get away" is a good start.
 
2013-05-26 06:48:56 PM  

tyrajam: gimmegimme: tyrajam: gimmegimme:
Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?

I think it's somewhere in the guidelines that when you jump on someone and start bashing their head into the pavement, they'll probably try to shoot you if they can.

What you said makes no sense.  What possible motivation do people have for bringing Martin's online speech into a discussion of his death?

What I'm saying-and I'll type slowly so you can follow-is that all that matters is that Zimmerman was attacked and his head was being bashed into the cement. That is why the police initially decided not to arrest Zimmerman.


You need to search your heart and search your soul and when you find me there, you'll search no more.  Do you realize that you are excusing the shooting on a self-defense basis and ignoring the fact that the 17-year-old kid also had ample opportunity to be afraid for his life?  Why in the world would you only have concern for one person and not the other?
 
2013-05-26 06:49:00 PM  

Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...

Well, except for the fights he himself talked about on social media sites, the fact that he assaulted a bus driver (adult in position of authority asking him what he was doing) and he was caught with burglary tools and stolen property in his locker.


There's no evidence that any assault happened against a bus driver. Martin was suspended for marijuana.

If having tweets claiming to be in fights makes you violent, the entire Internet Tough Guy Brigade here should be in prison for life.
 
2013-05-26 06:49:28 PM  

mr intrepid: duffblue: gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: MJMaloney187: Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...

No, it has yet to be allowed

Some of it will be allowed. This judge will be overturned on appeal if evidence is not allowed and Zimmerman is convicted....esp any evidence showing TM stoned around the time of incident, pot use, and any time the prosecutors spew the "Trayvon was a 14 yr old honor student" BS

It is obvious that the prosecution is in trouble.... they want all the negative Trayvon evidence excluded....you can't lynch an innocent man if you are caught cold busted lying

Just wonder how much of their ghetto the Black Racists gonna burn when they can't lynch Zimmerman...

Ted Nugent isn't black...

You probably aren't old enough to remember the Rodney king riots

The "negative Trayon evidence" might be considered largely irrelevant.  Zimmerman didn't know anything about him, except what happened that night.  And the fact that he lost a fight might serve as a motive for his pursuit and shooting.


You slam the back of my head into the ground, you die. Period. I would rather go to jail if the alternatives are death or mental retardation.

Take your head out of your arse for a second and pretend Zimmerman is your grandfather. What would you want your grandfather to do? That punk lived like a gangster and he died like a gangster. BET ought to give Zimmerman a medal for keeping the brand alive.
 
2013-05-26 06:50:14 PM  

mexican bathtub cheese: No one needs police permission to follow someone.

A police dispatcher cannot order you not to follow someone.

Being followed is not a lawful justification for assaulting someone.

Reasonable force may be used to defend against an assault.

Deadly force is reasonable and lawful to defend against an assault where that assault likely will result in death or serious bodily injury. 

Nothing I just said makes sense to a liberal.


Great post...especially the last line
 
2013-05-26 06:50:15 PM  

Abox: seadoo2006: Abox: Imagine a road rage incident where you chase a guy down because what the hell you have a gun, you get into a fight, and you shoot the guy dead because you were losing the fight.  B-b-b-but I was standing my ground!

That's exactly the type of altercation that SYG was passed for


Chasing somebody down and shooting someone because you're on the losing end of a fight that would never had happened had you ACTUALLY stood your ground?  Ah, sure why not.


Your scenario is completely different than what happened in the Zimmerman case. When you chase the person down, you are the aggressor until you end the altercation. Anything you do means you did it without provocation and as such are not allowed to "stand your ground".
Zimmerman did not chase down Martin, no matter how much you want to scream it at the top of your lungs the evidence clearly shows it didn't happen that way.
 
2013-05-26 06:50:35 PM  

MJMaloney187: mr intrepid: duffblue: gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: MJMaloney187: Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...

No, it has yet to be allowed

Some of it will be allowed. This judge will be overturned on appeal if evidence is not allowed and Zimmerman is convicted....esp any evidence showing TM stoned around the time of incident, pot use, and any time the prosecutors spew the "Trayvon was a 14 yr old honor student" BS

It is obvious that the prosecution is in trouble.... they want all the negative Trayvon evidence excluded....you can't lynch an innocent man if you are caught cold busted lying

Just wonder how much of their ghetto the Black Racists gonna burn when they can't lynch Zimmerman...

Ted Nugent isn't black...

You probably aren't old enough to remember the Rodney king riots

The "negative Trayon evidence" might be considered largely irrelevant.  Zimmerman didn't know anything about him, except what happened that night.  And the fact that he lost a fight might serve as a motive for his pursuit and shooting.

You slam the back of my head into the ground, you die. Period. I would rather go to jail if the alternatives are death or mental retardation.

Take your head out of your arse for a second and pretend Zimmerman is your grandfather. What would you want your grandfather to do? That punk lived like a gangster and he died like a gangster. BET ought to give Zimmerman a medal for keeping the brand alive.


bugontherug: AngryDragon: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.

Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Try an experiment. Get a nice, soft pad, maybe a pillow, and a friend.

Lay flat on your back, and have your friend straddle you at the waist. Then have him try to "slam" your head back into the soft padding. Remind him that he's not allowed to pull your hair, because Zimmerman's head was shaved.

Without a very great difference in strength, I doubt it's even possible to slam someone's head into the ground if he offers resistance. Especially not from the position described.

And what exactly was Trayvon holding onto?

 
2013-05-26 06:51:40 PM  

gimmegimme: ChaosStar: What the defense is saying is that Martin wasn't the angel the media made him out to be, in fact he was the type likely to punch Zimmerman in the nose and beat his head on the sidewalk for a perceived slight to himself and this online rhetoric goes to prove that. There's your answer.

As to your second, no, Zimmerman wasn't playing police officer. He was being a concerned citizen who was reporting everything he was seeing to the police, and following the instructions from the dispatcher including not following Martin when he was told he didn't need to.

Why does Martin's online rhetoric matter, but Zimmerman's history of violence doesn't?  If Zimmerman ended the pursuit after being told "you don't have to do that," why wasn't he driving home?

tenpoundsofcheese: If the definition of "playing police officer" is following someone, then yes, he was following Martin so by your definition he was playing police officer. Now, there is nothing illegal about following someone, so I am not sure what your point is.

Why would you imply that he needed to get permission from someone to follow someone else?

Surely Zimmerman had a good reason to follow Martin, right?


I don't know you keep harping on this.  It doesn't farking matter.

Re-read quietwalker's post.  It is really good.  I didn't know parts of the story either.

The reality of all of this is that we are never going to know the "truth".
I wish Martin wasn't shot.
I expect that the defense can plant enough reasonable doubt to get him acquitted.
 
2013-05-26 06:51:44 PM  
Fark disappointed me. Zimmerman deserves the death penalty. It doesn't matter the content of Martin's character except for one thing, was he confrontational? Zimmerman has a history of being wound up tight with a justice complex. Martin defended himself and stood his ground. If Zimmerman gets off he and his wife better move to Peru with mama. He won't be safe anywhere state side.
 
2013-05-26 06:51:52 PM  

gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: LegacyDL: So by that logic if the kid was a drunk abusive Irish man that beat his wife it would be okay to shoot him as well.

When did text messages become de facto proof that warrants killing people?

Calling yourself "No Limit Ni--a" on twitter don't help either

Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?


Since there's been no trial, how can you say there's been a murder?
 
2013-05-26 06:52:11 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...

Well, except for the fights he himself talked about on social media sites, the fact that he assaulted a bus driver (adult in position of authority asking him what he was doing) and he was caught with burglary tools and stolen property in his locker.

There's no evidence that any assault happened against a bus driver. Martin was suspended for marijuana.

If having tweets claiming to be in fights makes you violent, the entire Internet Tough Guy Brigade here should be in prison for life.


stash.norml.org
Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?
 
2013-05-26 06:52:21 PM  

ChaosStar: gimmegimme:

Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's death caused by some means?

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Why was Zimmerman following Martin? Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?

weird questions.
since when do you need authority to follow someone?

You're really denying that Zim was playing police officer?

I'll answer your question by telling you that no one is saying that the online rhetoric is justification for Martin's death. You're the only one making that connection.
What the defense is saying is that Martin wasn't the angel the media made him out to be, in fact he was the type likely to punch Zimmerman in the nose and beat his head on the sidewalk for a perceived slight to himself and this online rhetoric goes to prove that. There's your answer.
.


Is there any evidence of this perceived slight that you mention?  Because all the evidence and purported evidence that you have listed here in your posts are also consistent with Martin's perhaps perceiving that he and/or his father's fiancée's condo unit were in danger from a stranger who was following him for no reason that he could fathom.
 
2013-05-26 06:52:37 PM  

LordJiro: ChaosStar: Abox: ChaosStar: Abox: ChaosStar: Especially when you didn't start said fight.

Sorry, I didn't realize the trial was over.

This trial was over when they went for a murder in the second degree charge. It won't happen.

Oh sorry, I thought you were privy to some new info.  We know armed Zim was stalking unarmed Martin, we know there was a fight that cost Zim some skin, and we know Zim shot Martin. And we have Zim's side of the story.  I really can't wait for this trial to be over so the derpulation can stop.

Really? You know he was stalking Martin? Please do cite a source for this because I can give you transcripts and audio that goes to the contrary. Seems like you're the one full of derpulation there chief.

The man with known power-trip and anger management issues biatching about how "they always get away" is a good start.


You could win an Olympic gold with that leap buddy.
A man has anger management issues, and he complaining that the crooks always get away because police response time is so slow, clearly that means he was stalking Martin through the neighborhood.
What deductive reasoning are you using huh?
 
2013-05-26 06:52:58 PM  
By far I am not a Zimmerman defender. HOWEVER, your article lends zero credence when you use this farking picture.
assets.nydailynews.com
 
2013-05-26 06:53:07 PM  

LegacyDL: When did text messages become de facto proof that warrants killing people?


They don't.  But they do become relevant when asserting the affirmative defense of self defense.

Without the defense... prejudicial.  With the defense... probative. 

This is likely why they elected not to have a "Stand Your Ground" hearing where the charges could have been dismissed.  That allows the jury to see the phone contents in the context of him proving his affirmative defense.
 
2013-05-26 06:54:33 PM  

ChaosStar: LordJiro: ChaosStar: Abox: ChaosStar: Abox: ChaosStar: Especially when you didn't start said fight.

Sorry, I didn't realize the trial was over.

This trial was over when they went for a murder in the second degree charge. It won't happen.

Oh sorry, I thought you were privy to some new info.  We know armed Zim was stalking unarmed Martin, we know there was a fight that cost Zim some skin, and we know Zim shot Martin. And we have Zim's side of the story.  I really can't wait for this trial to be over so the derpulation can stop.

Really? You know he was stalking Martin? Please do cite a source for this because I can give you transcripts and audio that goes to the contrary. Seems like you're the one full of derpulation there chief.

The man with known power-trip and anger management issues biatching about how "they always get away" is a good start.

You could win an Olympic gold with that leap buddy.
A man has anger management issues, and he complaining that the crooks always get away because police response time is so slow, clearly that means he was stalking Martin through the neighborhood.
What deductive reasoning are you using huh?


Why was he not in his truck after being told he 'didn't need to follow Martin'? Why did he just not go home, or go wherever he wanted to meet the cops, then call them back?
 
2013-05-26 06:54:36 PM  

ChaosStar: FloridaFarkTag: ChaosStar: A Terrible Human: Why didn't Zimmerman stay the fark in his car like he was told to?

He might have, if he had been told to stay in his car. He wasn't though; he was asked by the dispatcher if he was following him (Martin), he said yes, the dispatcher told him that he didn't need to do that to which he replied ok and stopped.

A dispatcher is not a law enforcement officer in Seminole County.....they cannot order you to not do something. A dispatcher could be prosecuted and sent to prison if they mislead that they are law enforcement and they are not

If the Tobias Funke clone of a prosecutor goes down this route w the dispatcher....GZ lawyers will go analrapist on him. Tobias would be making one huge mistake... he blue the case

(Welcome back Arrested Development)

I'm not sure what side you're coming down on on this. I never said the dispatcher told him what to do or said they were a leo?
They told him that he didn't need to follow Martin, he said ok and stopped. Everyone keeps clinging to the (madeup) story that Zimmerman charged up to Martin and started demanding answers from him when the only time they exchanged words was right before Martin started the altercation that led to the shooting.


We both believe Zim is innocent

Probably should have used another post to bring up what a dispatcher is....however, the gibberish spewd by Team Skittles is just not respondable
 
2013-05-26 06:54:42 PM  

Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...

Well, except for the fights he himself talked about on social media sites, the fact that he assaulted a bus driver (adult in position of authority asking him what he was doing) and he was caught with burglary tools and stolen property in his locker.


So that means he totally deserved to die?
 
2013-05-26 06:54:59 PM  

ChaosStar: Being on the losing side of a fight, where you're getting your head bashed open, is grounds for escalation of force when defending yourself, as you are in fear for your life. Especially when you didn't start said fight.



Except he did start the fight.  Or are you now saying the kid dragged him out of his car?  I mean youre making up other shiat, why not make up carjacking?
 
2013-05-26 06:55:46 PM  
AirForceVet:If some strange man came up to me when I was 17 in the middle of a Florida night and demanded why I was in my neighborhood, I'd have told him to fark off. If he touched me, I'd have kicked his ass too.

As far as I'm concerned, this is the only thing that matters to me. Zimmerman was told to stand down. He didn't. Everyone says Zimmerman was allowed to stand his ground, and that he was beaten as a result. Well, excuse the fark out of me, but if that asshole had been following me, I would've beaten him unconscious, standing MY ground. Apparently it's ok for Zimmerman, a twat with a record of violence, to stand his ground, but not for the black kid- with no record.
 
2013-05-26 06:56:18 PM  

A Terrible Human: Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...

Well, except for the fights he himself talked about on social media sites, the fact that he assaulted a bus driver (adult in position of authority asking him what he was doing) and he was caught with burglary tools and stolen property in his locker.

So that means he totally deserved to die?


Nope, but putting the beat down on an armed, concerned citizen means he deserved to die.  Put it another way, he beat up an armed dude ... that's some Darwin-level stupidity right there and yes, it's probably a good thing he's not around anymore.
 
2013-05-26 06:56:44 PM  

Unknown_Poltroon: ChaosStar: Being on the losing side of a fight, where you're getting your head bashed open, is grounds for escalation of force when defending yourself, as you are in fear for your life. Especially when you didn't start said fight.


Except he did start the fight.  Or are you now saying the kid dragged him out of his car?  I mean youre making up other shiat, why not make up carjacking?


Of course he was carjacked! He was a thug hopped up on purple drank looking to break into white people houses!

Oh, and if you think that's racist, YOU'RE THE REAL RACISTS!
 
2013-05-26 06:57:11 PM  

BgJonson79: gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: LegacyDL: So by that logic if the kid was a drunk abusive Irish man that beat his wife it would be okay to shoot him as well.

When did text messages become de facto proof that warrants killing people?

Calling yourself "No Limit Ni--a" on twitter don't help either

Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?

Since there's been no trial, how can you say there's been a murder?


I'm not on the jury.  "Alleged murder."  Happy now?

jayphat: By far I am not a Zimmerman defender. HOWEVER, your article lends zero credence when you use this farking picture.
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x835]


In all honesty, folks, this happens with just about every crime or every person who dies.  They use a pleasant picture.  We had a guy in high school who died in a car crash while driving the wrong way down a one-way street with no lights on on a suspended license while drunk and high and driving with his knees, etc.  The news and newspaper used his school picture for obvious reasons.  Come on.
 
2013-05-26 06:57:32 PM  

Tatsuma: So when trying to establish whether he was assaulted or not, it's irrelevant to present information specifically about Martin's character when it comes to violence, crime and drug abuse? That's racist?


How would you feel about the prosecution's presenting evidence of Zimmerman's previous run-ins with the law at trial?  Irrelevant?
 
2013-05-26 06:57:49 PM  

bugontherug: AngryDragon: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.

Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Try an experiment. Get a nice, soft pad, maybe a pillow, and a friend.

Lay flat on your back, and have your friend straddle you at the waist. Then have him try to "slam" your head back into the soft padding. Remind him that he's not allowed to pull your hair, because Zimmerman's head was shaved.

Without a very great difference in strength, I doubt it's even possible to slam someone's head into the ground if he offers resistance. Especially not from the position described.

And what exactly was Trayvon holding onto?


Zimmerman's collar?
His shoulders?
 
2013-05-26 06:58:44 PM  

Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...

Well, except for the fights he himself talked about on social media sites, the fact that he assaulted a bus driver (adult in position of authority asking him what he was doing) and he was caught with burglary tools and stolen property in his locker.


Seriously Tatsuma, you're usually smarter than this. The "bus driver assault" never happened (something ten seconds googling would've established), the "burglary tools" were a screwdriver, and it was never established that anything in his locker was stolen property. After that, you've got some tweets. Yup, kid was definitely a menace to society.
 
2013-05-26 06:58:49 PM  

seadoo2006: A Terrible Human: Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...

Well, except for the fights he himself talked about on social media sites, the fact that he assaulted a bus driver (adult in position of authority asking him what he was doing) and he was caught with burglary tools and stolen property in his locker.

So that means he totally deserved to die?

Nope, but putting the beat down on an armed, concerned citizen means he deserved to die.  Put it another way, he beat up an armed dude ... that's some Darwin-level stupidity right there and yes, it's probably a good thing he's not around anymore.


So if I were unarmed, and approached by someone who I KNOW has been following me with unknown intent, who then pulls a gun on me, I should just accept the bullet? Or wait for an explanation, and risk...well, getting shot? Or should I attempt to defend myself?
 
2013-05-26 06:58:56 PM  

tirob: ChaosStar: gimmegimme:

Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's death caused by some means?

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Why was Zimmerman following Martin? Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?

weird questions.
since when do you need authority to follow someone?

You're really denying that Zim was playing police officer?

I'll answer your question by telling you that no one is saying that the online rhetoric is justification for Martin's death. You're the only one making that connection.
What the defense is saying is that Martin wasn't the angel the media made him out to be, in fact he was the type likely to punch Zimmerman in the nose and beat his head on the sidewalk for a perceived slight to himself and this online rhetoric goes to prove that. There's your answer.
.

Is there any evidence of this perceived slight that you mention?  Because all the evidence and purported evidence that you have listed here in your posts are also consistent with Martin's perhaps perceiving that he and/or his father's fiancée's condo unit were in danger from a stranger who was following him for no reason that he could fathom.


"Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.
 
2013-05-26 06:59:11 PM  

seadoo2006: A Terrible Human: Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...

Well, except for the fights he himself talked about on social media sites, the fact that he assaulted a bus driver (adult in position of authority asking him what he was doing) and he was caught with burglary tools and stolen property in his locker.

So that means he totally deserved to die?

Nope, but putting the beat down on an armed, concerned citizen means he deserved to die.  Put it another way, he beat up an armed dude ... that's some Darwin-level stupidity right there and yes, it's probably a good thing he's not around anymore.


He was on the way to beating up an armed dude when Zimmerman shot and killed him.  Can you at least acknowledge intellectually that Martin could have been afraid and could have been scared in the same way Zimmerman was scared?
 
2013-05-26 06:59:54 PM  
I don't know if George Zimmerman is guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin or not.  Only God can know that.  Everybody in this thread who is God, raise your hands.

WhatI do know is that the entire thing could have been avoided had either party attempted to de-escalate the situation rather than keep escalating it.  Can we focus on whether there's a cultural change here that we can collectively make to prevent future incidents, instead of rooting for/against Team Black Kid or Team Hispanic Man?
 
2013-05-26 07:00:07 PM  

bugontherug: Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.


I was going to quote the witnesses but then I realized 'Hey, it's bugontherug! We've already had this discussion when I pointed at all the witnesses showing Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman!' and then lost any will to waste my time.

Wolf_Blitzer: There's no evidence that any assault happened against a bus driver. Martin was suspended for marijuana.

If having tweets claiming to be in fights makes you violent, the entire Internet Tough Guy Brigade here should be in prison for life.


He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG
 
2013-05-26 07:00:14 PM  
After re-reviewing the facts, and reading through here, I'm actually a little confused.  Maybe someone could clear things up for me

I can't exactly tell when someone is simply a gun hater, a cop/authority hater, a racist, motivated by some sort of politically correct guilt, or some combination of the above.

About the only folks I can detect are those who think drug users or thug-gangsters deserve death, and those who believe their assumptions are valid enough to circumvent the definition of existing laws.

Any help?
 
2013-05-26 07:00:50 PM  

ChaosStar: "Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.


Zimmerman said...Zimmerman said...Zimmerman said...

And "Do you have a problem?" is EXACTLY what people would ask if they were being pursued.
 
2013-05-26 07:00:53 PM  

ChaosStar: tirob: ChaosStar: gimmegimme:

Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's death caused by some means?

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Why was Zimmerman following Martin? Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?

weird questions.
since when do you need authority to follow someone?

You're really denying that Zim was playing police officer?

I'll answer your question by telling you that no one is saying that the online rhetoric is justification for Martin's death. You're the only one making that connection.
What the defense is saying is that Martin wasn't the angel the media made him out to be, in fact he was the type likely to punch Zimmerman in the nose and beat his head on the sidewalk for a perceived slight to himself and this online rhetoric goes to prove that. There's your answer.
.

Is there any evidence of this perceived slight that you mention?  Because all the evidence and purported evidence that you have listed here in your posts are also consistent with Martin's perhaps perceiving that he and/or his father's fiancée's condo unit were in danger from a stranger who was following him for no reason that he could fathom.

"Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.


Again, we *only* have Zimmerman's word for that, backed up with zero evidence.
 
2013-05-26 07:00:59 PM  

bugontherug: AngryDragon: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.

Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Try an experiment. Get a nice, soft pad, maybe a pillow, and a friend.

Lay flat on your back, and have your friend straddle you at the waist. Then have him try to "slam" your head back into the soft padding. Remind him that he's not allowed to pull your hair, because Zimmerman's head was shaved.

Without a very great difference in strength, I doubt it's even possible to slam someone's head into the ground if he offers resistance. Especially not from the position described.

And what exactly was Trayvon holding onto?


Trayvon could have been holding onto his ears. It's not like Zimmerman was using them that night.
 
2013-05-26 07:01:05 PM  

LordJiro: seadoo2006: A Terrible Human: Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...

Well, except for the fights he himself talked about on social media sites, the fact that he assaulted a bus driver (adult in position of authority asking him what he was doing) and he was caught with burglary tools and stolen property in his locker.

So that means he totally deserved to die?

Nope, but putting the beat down on an armed, concerned citizen means he deserved to die.  Put it another way, he beat up an armed dude ... that's some Darwin-level stupidity right there and yes, it's probably a good thing he's not around anymore.

So if I were unarmed, and approached by someone who I KNOW has been following me with unknown intent, who then pulls a gun on me, I should just accept the bullet? Or wait for an explanation, and risk...well, getting shot? Or should I attempt to defend myself?


Please show your evidence that the gun was pulled prior to Martin getting shot.
 
2013-05-26 07:01:07 PM  

Unknown_Poltroon: ChaosStar: Being on the losing side of a fight, where you're getting your head bashed open, is grounds for escalation of force when defending yourself, as you are in fear for your life. Especially when you didn't start said fight.


Except he did start the fight.  Or are you now saying the kid dragged him out of his car?  I mean youre making up other shiat, why not make up carjacking?


Except he didn't. He lost Martin, was going back to his vehicle, Martin approached him, the spoke for the first time that night and Martin attacked Zimmerman. I would ask why this is so hard for people to comprehend but I know there's a million different stories out there containing a million different, incorrect nuances to the night.
 
2013-05-26 07:01:19 PM  

Tatsuma: FuryOfFirestorm: If he had consumed "purple drank" he would have had codeine in his system, which is not the case. Also, "drank" makes you lethargic, not aggressive (codeine is a sedative). "Drank" requires cough syrup, sprite (or vodka) and sometimes Jolly Ranchers. None of these items were purchased from Trayvon the night of his murder.

Actually that's false, he had both sprite (well, a variant, it was not iced tea, as reported) and he had skittles (doesn't just have to be Jolly Ranchers) and he has documented discussion about using codeine and drinking purple drank.

Doesn't mean he was high on the night, more likely he went to buy what he needed and was going back home to get high on some sizzurp.


Come on, don't knock the purple drank! Even though I'm not a hip-hop fan, I still appreciate DJ Screw as a fine beverage connoisseur. I'd pair the drank with old school EBM and electro-industrial (think Klinik, Yeht Mae, Portion Control, DAF, Nitzer Ebb, Skinny Puppy, Borghesia, A Split Second, The Cassandra Complex, G.G.F.H., etc...) myself.

Back to the topic at hand, how would Martin's intent of taking codeine or his fondness for pot translate into violent tendencies? How is experimenting with drugs out of the norm for a teenager? Zimmerman's defense seems to be more based upon playing up fears in which drug users and young black males are demonized.
 
2013-05-26 07:01:38 PM  

whatshisname: I can't believe there are still Zimmerman fanboys.


I can't believe there are still Martin fan "boys."
 
2013-05-26 07:01:50 PM  
So Zimmerman gets jumped from behind and has face smashed into the sidewalk makes him the aggressive one? Martin deserved what he got. The only question now is how bad the blacks will riot when Zimmerman is found not guilty. We all know they won't be able to act like humans when it happens
 
2013-05-26 07:02:01 PM  

Tatsuma: bugontherug: Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

I was going to quote the witnesses but then I realized 'Hey, it's bugontherug! We've already had this discussion when I pointed at all the witnesses showing Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman!' and then lost any will to waste my time.

Wolf_Blitzer: There's no evidence that any assault happened against a bus driver. Martin was suspended for marijuana.

If having tweets claiming to be in fights makes you violent, the entire Internet Tough Guy Brigade here should be in prison for life.

He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG


I' mein a bit of a pickle...I can't find verification that Martin texted the gun picture to Zimmerman.

Otherwise, why would you care?
 
2013-05-26 07:02:42 PM  

Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG


Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.
 
2013-05-26 07:03:05 PM  

LordJiro: hy was he not in his truck after being told he 'didn't need to follow Martin'? Why did he just not go home, or go wherever he wanted to meet the cops, then call them back?


Because he was sick of burglaries and other crimes in his community.  I find that admirable.

Too many people just watch crime happen as if it's someone elses problem.
 
2013-05-26 07:03:07 PM  

ChaosStar: "Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.


OF COURSE that's how it happened.  There is no conceivable reason Zimmerman would make up something, its not like hes on the hook for murdering an unarmed kid in cold blood after accosting him on the street for no reason.  TOTALLY believable that he would be telling the truth about a 17 year old kid attacking an armed guy.
 
2013-05-26 07:03:25 PM  

gimmegimme: ChaosStar: "Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

Zimmerman said...Zimmerman said...Zimmerman said...

And "Do you have a problem?" is EXACTLY what people would ask if they were being pursued.


"Do you have a problem?" is something you, and someone like Martin would say if you were being followed. Normal, rational people, might ask "why are you following me?" instead of trying to be an aggressive thug. This is exactly why the online material is credible evidence in the trial, it goes to show the type of person Martin was, the type that would punch first, ask questions later.
 
2013-05-26 07:03:48 PM  

seadoo2006: LordJiro: seadoo2006: A Terrible Human: Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...

Well, except for the fights he himself talked about on social media sites, the fact that he assaulted a bus driver (adult in position of authority asking him what he was doing) and he was caught with burglary tools and stolen property in his locker.

So that means he totally deserved to die?

Nope, but putting the beat down on an armed, concerned citizen means he deserved to die.  Put it another way, he beat up an armed dude ... that's some Darwin-level stupidity right there and yes, it's probably a good thing he's not around anymore.

So if I were unarmed, and approached by someone who I KNOW has been following me with unknown intent, who then pulls a gun on me, I should just accept the bullet? Or wait for an explanation, and risk...well, getting shot? Or should I attempt to defend myself?

Please show your evidence that the gun was pulled prior to Martin getting shot.


Well, if the gun were under Zimmerman's shirt, there would be a bullethole in the shirt, right?  And it's really hard to shoot someone in the chest if a gun is holstered.
 
2013-05-26 07:03:58 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Seriously Tatsuma, you're usually smarter than this. The "bus driver assault" never happened (something ten seconds googling would've established), the "burglary tools" were a screwdriver, and it was never established that anything in his locker was stolen property. After that, you've got some tweets. Yup, kid was definitely a menace to society.


Martin admitted that it was indeed a burglary tool and that those were stolen property, he only denied that it was his. And for fark's sake, they found a bag with a screwdriver and 12 pieces of women's jewelery that he denied having stolen, you really are buying that?

Not just tweets, a picture of himself holding a gun, asking where he could buy one, asking another to split the cost in half with him, calling himself a gangsta, beating up a snitch.. He also sold drugs, took drugs, not just smoking weed but harder stuff as well

gimmegimme: He was on the way to beating up an armed dude when Zimmerman shot and killed him. Can you at least acknowledge intellectually that Martin could have been afraid and could have been scared in the same way Zimmerman was scared?


Zimmerman only got his gun out once he was on the ground with Martin on top. The reaction to being scared by a man with a gun is not to run toward him, it's to run away while screaming for help.
 
2013-05-26 07:04:24 PM  

gimmegimme: tyrajam: gimmegimme:
Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?

I think it's somewhere in the guidelines that when you jump on someone and start bashing their head into the pavement, they'll probably try to shoot you if they can.

What you said makes no sense.  What possible motivation do people have for bringing Martin's online speech into a discussion of his death?


Because it tends to show Trayvon's not a perfect little honor student, as some have contended; if he's involved in violent activity on a regular basis, it's more likely he was at least partly the aggressor the night he got shot.

Is it fair?  debatable...but 'blaming the victim' is an old tactic; used to be very common in rape cases, where the defense would attempt to bring in the victim's past sexual activity as relevant, although that's been curtailed in most jurisdictions.

For me, it comes down to the physical evidence; if GZ's injuries back up his story, he walks.

/glad for once us white devils can stay clear of this brouhaha.
 
2013-05-26 07:04:25 PM  
It hardly seems necessary. He was wearing a hoodie. I've read enough people's comments to know that this fact alone made it OK for George to shoot. By wearing a hoodie, he proclaimed to the world that he was up to no good. He was trying to conce
 
2013-05-26 07:05:02 PM  

ChaosStar: Except he didn't. He lost Martin, was going back to his vehicle, Martin approached him, the spoke for the first time that night and Martin attacked Zimmerman. I would ask why this is so hard for people to comprehend but I know there's a million different stories out there containing a million different, incorrect nuances to the night.


This is the story according to the GUY WHO NEEDS AN EXCUSE FOR WHY HE SHOT AN UNARMED KID.

You're either a moron or a troll.
 
2013-05-26 07:05:09 PM  

Ryker's Peninsula: You're going to look good in orange.
I guarantee it.


The same state that put away Casey Anthony?
 
2013-05-26 07:05:24 PM  

quietwalker:
- (1) The physical evidence available to police confirms the story
  - (2) The electronic (cell phone), information available to police confirms the story
  - (3) The actual eye witnesses corroborate the story
  - (4) The medical evidence (both Zimmerman's wounds, and the coroner's report) confirm the story
  - (5) After several hours of interrogation, police believed his story


(1) If Trayvon was on top of Martin when he was shot by Zimmerman, why wasn't GZ covered in Martin's blood? If he was lying down on wet ground when he was getting his head bashed in, why was his jacket clean? If Trayvon covered GZ's mouth with his hand to muffle him, why was there no evidence of Zimmerman's saliva or skin cells found on Martin's hand during the autopsy?

(2) The cell phone conversations haven't proved anything other than that George spotted Martin and pursued him (the 911 call), Trayvon noticed that Zimmerman was following him, and tried to get away (call to Trayvon's girlfriend). The phone records don't confirm who started the confrontation or anything after.

(3) Most of the eyewitnesses have admitted that it was too dark to see anything clear enough to be certain, and some eyewitness reports have been inconsistent with what they said at an earlier time.

(4) The medical evidence shows that Trayvon had no injuries on his body aside from the gunshot and an abrasion on his knuckle. Beating the crap out of someone is going to put some wear and tear on the hands of the assailant.

(5) George's version of events have changed multiple times.
 
2013-05-26 07:05:51 PM  

Unknown_Poltroon: ChaosStar: "Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

OF COURSE that's how it happened.  There is no conceivable reason Zimmerman would make up something, its not like hes on the hook for murdering an unarmed kid in cold blood after accosting him on the street for no reason.  TOTALLY believable that he would be telling the truth about a 17 year old kid attacking an armed guy.


Luckily, in the US, it's innocent until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.  Hate to break it to you, but unless you have evidence of these alternate hypotheses, you're SOL.  The evidence and testimony is on Zim's side.  Martin was just a drugged up, thug and got the death all thugs dream about ... getting shot.
 
2013-05-26 07:05:52 PM  
I'm always conflicted when a current psychopath kills a future psychopath.....

Should I be upset that one is gone or should I be upset that one is still around.
 
2013-05-26 07:06:25 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: As far as I'm concerned, this is the only thing that matters to me. Zimmerman was told to stand down.


I think it's unlikely that will be any part of any jury instruction.  So, literally, your opinion doesn't matter.
 
2013-05-26 07:06:25 PM  

gimmegimme: BgJonson79: gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: LegacyDL: So by that logic if the kid was a drunk abusive Irish man that beat his wife it would be okay to shoot him as well.

When did text messages become de facto proof that warrants killing people?

Calling yourself "No Limit Ni--a" on twitter don't help either

Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?

Since there's been no trial, how can you say there's been a murder?

I'm not on the jury.  "Alleged murder."  Happy now?

jayphat: By far I am not a Zimmerman defender. HOWEVER, your article lends zero credence when you use this farking picture.
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x835]

In all honesty, folks, this happens with just about every crime or every person who dies.  They use a pleasant picture.  We had a guy in high school who died in a car crash while driving the wrong way down a one-way street with no lights on on a suspended license while drunk and high and driving with his knees, etc.  The news and newspaper used his school picture for obvious reasons.  Come on.


Of course. We're all innocent until proven guilty.
 
2013-05-26 07:06:41 PM  

ChaosStar: gimmegimme: ChaosStar: "Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

Zimmerman said...Zimmerman said...Zimmerman said...

And "Do you have a problem?" is EXACTLY what people would ask if they were being pursued.

"Do you have a problem?" is something you, and someone like Martin would say if you were being followed. Normal, rational people, might ask "why are you following me?" instead of trying to be an aggressive thug. This is exactly why the online material is credible evidence in the trial, it goes to show the type of person Martin was, the type that would punch first, ask questions later.


HAHAHAHAHA!  Now you're justifying the death of a 17-year-old by impugning what he asked of the armed man who was following him, even when he left the sidewalk to try and get away.

You're right.  Martin had the obligation to bow and ask, "Dear Sir, I mean no disrespect; I couldn't help but notice you have been following me around for several moments and this has caused me some concern.  If it's not too much of an imposition, may I please ask if we have any business to discuss that I don't know about?  Thank you in advance."
 
2013-05-26 07:07:01 PM  

seadoo2006: Please show your evidence that the gun was pulled prior to Martin getting shot.


You said this:

seadoo2006: A Terrible Human: Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...

Well, except for the fights he himself talked about on social media sites, the fact that he assaulted a bus driver (adult in position of authority asking him what he was doing) and he was caught with burglary tools and stolen property in his locker.

So that means he totally deserved to die?

Nope, but putting the beat down on an armed, concerned citizen means he deserved to die.  Put it another way, he beat up an armed dude ... that's some Darwin-level stupidity right there and yes, it's probably a good thing he's not around anymore.

 
2013-05-26 07:07:05 PM  

Tatsuma: Martin admitted that it was indeed a burglary tool and that those were stolen property, he only denied that it was his. And for fark's sake, they found a bag with a screwdriver and 12 pieces of women's jewelery that he denied having stolen, you really are buying that?

Not just tweets, a picture of himself holding a gun, asking where he could buy one, asking another to split the cost in half with him, calling himself a gangsta, beating up a snitch.. He also sold drugs, took drugs, not just smoking weed but harder stuff as well


So we've established you were completely wrong about Martin having any actual, documented history of violence, but you're charging ahead with your character assassination of a dead kid. You're consistent, I'll give you that.
 
2013-05-26 07:07:24 PM  

ChaosStar: tirob:

Is there any evidence of this perceived slight that you mention?  Because all the evidence and purported evidence that you have listed here in your posts are also consistent with Martin's perhaps perceiving that he and/or his father's fiancée's condo unit were in danger from a stranger who was following him for no reason that he could fathom.

"Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.


I would give this uncorroborated hearsay from a biased witness a good bit less credibility than you appear to do.  Furthermore, even if this is an accurate reconstruction of the conversation that preceded the fight, it is as consistent with my scenario as it is with yours.
 
2013-05-26 07:07:27 PM  

Walter Paisley: Back to the topic at hand, how would Martin's intent of taking codeine or his fondness for pot translate into violent tendencies? How is experimenting with drugs out of the norm for a teenager? Zimmerman's defense seems to be more based upon playing up fears in which drug users and young black males are demonized.


I was just correcting what he was saying. It's not the drug use, it's the picture of him with a gun, his claims of beating a snitch and being a gangsta, his having stolen property in his locker, his texts about buying a gun, it's really about all of these things.

gimmegimme: Otherwise, why would you care?


It's about establishing character.

Wolf_Blitzer: Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.


Well if you also have many texts sent to strangers about beating up people, doing drugs and being a gangsta, don't get into an assault without witnesses around or you'll be farked if the other guy is not an idiot and doesn't have incriminating stuff lying around to show him to be a violent shiathead.
 
2013-05-26 07:08:15 PM  

LordJiro: ChaosStar: LordJiro: ChaosStar: Abox: ChaosStar: Abox: ChaosStar: Especially when you didn't start said fight.

Sorry, I didn't realize the trial was over.

This trial was over when they went for a murder in the second degree charge. It won't happen.

Oh sorry, I thought you were privy to some new info.  We know armed Zim was stalking unarmed Martin, we know there was a fight that cost Zim some skin, and we know Zim shot Martin. And we have Zim's side of the story.  I really can't wait for this trial to be over so the derpulation can stop.

Really? You know he was stalking Martin? Please do cite a source for this because I can give you transcripts and audio that goes to the contrary. Seems like you're the one full of derpulation there chief.

The man with known power-trip and anger management issues biatching about how "they always get away" is a good start.

You could win an Olympic gold with that leap buddy.
A man has anger management issues, and he complaining that the crooks always get away because police response time is so slow, clearly that means he was stalking Martin through the neighborhood.
What deductive reasoning are you using huh?

Why was he not in his truck after being told he 'didn't need to follow Martin'? Why did he just not go home, or go wherever he wanted to meet the cops, then call them back?


Probably because he doesn't have a means of teleportation. There is only a minute of unknown after Zimmerman hung up with the dispatcher. Some of that minute is assuredly part of the altercation.
 
2013-05-26 07:08:52 PM  

Tatsuma: Walter Paisley: Back to the topic at hand, how would Martin's intent of taking codeine or his fondness for pot translate into violent tendencies? How is experimenting with drugs out of the norm for a teenager? Zimmerman's defense seems to be more based upon playing up fears in which drug users and young black males are demonized.

I was just correcting what he was saying. It's not the drug use, it's the picture of him with a gun, his claims of beating a snitch and being a gangsta, his having stolen property in his locker, his texts about buying a gun, it's really about all of these things.

gimmegimme: Otherwise, why would you care?

It's about establishing character.

Wolf_Blitzer: Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

Well if you also have many texts sent to strangers about beating up people, doing drugs and being a gangsta, don't get into an assault without witnesses around or you'll be farked if the other guy is not an idiot and doesn't have incriminating stuff lying around to show him to be a violent shiathead.


Why focus on one pe rs on's potential for violence instead of the actual violence that took place that night?
 
2013-05-26 07:08:56 PM  
I donated to Zimmerman's defense fund. Why? He acted in self defense. He was afraid for his life. It comes as no surprise that lil Trayvon was a drug making gangster wanna be. He thought he would show how gangster he was an beat up somebody. Well, he beat up the wrong guy. Serves the little shiathead right. I hope Zimmerman is found not guilty of all charges.
 
2013-05-26 07:10:06 PM  

kortex: I donated to Zimmerman's defense fund. Why? He acted in self defense. He was afraid for his life. It comes as no surprise that lil Trayvon was a drug making gangster wanna be. He thought he would show how gangster he was an beat up somebody. Well, he beat up the wrong guy. Serves the little shiathead right. I hope Zimmerman is found not guilty of all charges.


www.marekgayer.com

Or you're psychic.
 
2013-05-26 07:10:14 PM  

kortex: He acted in self defense.


He attacked a teenager and killed him.
 
2013-05-26 07:10:28 PM  

gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?


yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.
 
2013-05-26 07:10:31 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: Martin admitted that it was indeed a burglary tool and that those were stolen property, he only denied that it was his. And for fark's sake, they found a bag with a screwdriver and 12 pieces of women's jewelery that he denied having stolen, you really are buying that?

Not just tweets, a picture of himself holding a gun, asking where he could buy one, asking another to split the cost in half with him, calling himself a gangsta, beating up a snitch.. He also sold drugs, took drugs, not just smoking weed but harder stuff as well

So we've established you were completely wrong about Martin having any actual, documented history of violence, but you're charging ahead with your character assassination of a dead kid. You're consistent, I'll give you that.


This is one of the idiots who seriously argued that Martin was probably heading home to make purple drank, while the man with a documented history of anger management issues and power trips totally was totally going to give up the chase and let a perceived "thug" get away.
 
2013-05-26 07:10:41 PM  
PLEASE NOTE:
1. Zimmerman was not told by the police not to follow Martin. He was told by a non-LEO operator "we don't need you to do that".

Please carry on.
 
2013-05-26 07:11:34 PM  

LordJiro: ChaosStar: tirob: ChaosStar: gimmegimme:

Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's death caused by some means?

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Why was Zimmerman following Martin? Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?

weird questions.
since when do you need authority to follow someone?

You're really denying that Zim was playing police officer?

I'll answer your question by telling you that no one is saying that the online rhetoric is justification for Martin's death. You're the only one making that connection.
What the defense is saying is that Martin wasn't the angel the media made him out to be, in fact he was the type likely to punch Zimmerman in the nose and beat his head on the sidewalk for a perceived slight to himself and this online rhetoric goes to prove that. There's your answer.
.

Is there any evidence of this perceived slight that you mention?  Because all the evidence and purported evidence that you have listed here in your posts are also consistent with Martin's perhaps perceiving that he and/or his father's fiancée's condo unit were in danger from a stranger who was following him for no reason that he could fathom.

"Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

Again, we *only* have Zimmerman's word for that, backed up with zero evidence.


Except /all/ the evidence backs it up.

Quietwalker
- (1) The physical evidence available to police confirms the story
  - (2) The electronic (cell phone), information available to police confirms the story
  - (3) The actual eye witnesses corroborate the story
  - (4) The medical evidence (both Zimmerman's wounds, and the coroner's report) confirm the story
  - (5) After several hours of interrogation, police believed his story
 
2013-05-26 07:11:44 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Your Average Witty Fark User: As far as I'm concerned, this is the only thing that matters to me. Zimmerman was told to stand down.

I think it's unlikely that will be any part of any jury instruction.  So, literally, your opinion doesn't matter.


Neither does yours. So why bother?
 
2013-05-26 07:12:24 PM  

Tatsuma: Well if you also have many texts sent to strangers about beating up people, doing drugs and being a gangsta, don't get into an assault without witnesses around or you'll be farked if the other guy is not an idiot and doesn't have incriminating stuff lying around to show him to be a violent shiathead


You're right, its a good thing there's no records of Zimmerman being a violent shiathead, like an arrest for assaulting a police officer. That would be bad.
 
2013-05-26 07:12:43 PM  
kortex: Trayvon was a drug making gangster wanna be. He thought he would show how gangster he was an beat up somebody.

We either have an eyewitness here, or someone who can read dead people's minds.
 
2013-05-26 07:12:54 PM  

ChaosStar: LordJiro: ChaosStar: tirob: ChaosStar: gimmegimme:

Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's death caused by some means?

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Why was Zimmerman following Martin? Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?

weird questions.
since when do you need authority to follow someone?

You're really denying that Zim was playing police officer?

I'll answer your question by telling you that no one is saying that the online rhetoric is justification for Martin's death. You're the only one making that connection.
What the defense is saying is that Martin wasn't the angel the media made him out to be, in fact he was the type likely to punch Zimmerman in the nose and beat his head on the sidewalk for a perceived slight to himself and this online rhetoric goes to prove that. There's your answer.
.

Is there any evidence of this perceived slight that you mention?  Because all the evidence and purported evidence that you have listed here in your posts are also consistent with Martin's perhaps perceiving that he and/or his father's fiancée's condo unit were in danger from a stranger who was following him for no reason that he could fathom.

"Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

Again, we *only* have Zimmerman's word for that, backed up with zero evidence.

Except /all/ the evidence backs it up.

Quietwalker
- (1) The physical evidence available to police confirm ...


The case has not gone to trial so nothing has been confirmed yet in a court of law
 
2013-05-26 07:13:05 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


What should we be doing in the white community to reduce abuse of the drug?

LordJiro: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: Martin admitted that it was indeed a burglary tool and that those were stolen property, he only denied that it was his. And for fark's sake, they found a bag with a screwdriver and 12 pieces of women's jewelery that he denied having stolen, you really are buying that?

Not just tweets, a picture of himself holding a gun, asking where he could buy one, asking another to split the cost in half with him, calling himself a gangsta, beating up a snitch.. He also sold drugs, took drugs, not just smoking weed but harder stuff as well

So we've established you were completely wrong about Martin having any actual, documented history of violence, but you're charging ahead with your character assassination of a dead kid. You're consistent, I'll give you that.

This is one of the idiots who seriously argued that Martin was probably heading home to make purple drank, while the man with a documented history of anger management issues and power trips totally was totally going to give up the chase and let a perceived "thug" get away.


What?!?!?!?!  Why in the world would anyone think there's a racial component to the way pro-Zimmerman folks see the case?
 
2013-05-26 07:13:25 PM  

seadoo2006: IlGreven: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

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i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.

...even if you're a cop, that's the sort of shiat that would get you thrown off the force in a sane world (and even a few weeks paid leave in this insane one), unless you had ironclad absolute proof that he was an immediate threat to anyone else. Zimmerman doesn't even have proof that Martin started the final altercation that got him killed.

Really? Because around here, if you're walking your dog after 11pm, or if you look 'young' and are out after 11pm (curfew), you can expect to be stopped, identified, and questioned as to your reason for being out.  If you don't have a valid reason for breaking curfew, you get a trip home and a summons to juvie court.  I'm 25 and have been stopped several times by the unmarked Cleveland Heights beat cop Grand Marquis'.

I'd say in MOST communities, youths that are walking around at night are going to be assigned a suspicious label and questioned.  I would expect no less from my local police department.  But, see, our PD bans kids from our business districts after 6pm, so I appreciate their concern for the general hoodlums that tend to loiter around.

http://www.clevelandheights.com/index.aspx?page=1004

"In addition, no unsupervised persons under the age of 18 may be on public streets in the Coventry business district, the Cedar Lee business district and the Severance Town Center between the hours of 6:00 pm to 6:00 am."


This was a really interesting read.

Thanks.
 
2013-05-26 07:13:34 PM  

Unknown_Poltroon: ChaosStar: "Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

OF COURSE that's how it happened.  There is no conceivable reason Zimmerman would make up something, its not like hes on the hook for murdering an unarmed kid in cold blood after accosting him on the street for no reason.  TOTALLY believable that he would be telling the truth about a 17 year old kid attacking an armed guy.


I guess he faked all the evidence that backs up his accounting of the story huh?
Martin didn't know Zimmerman was armed when he attacked him, that's why it's called CONCEALED carry.
 
2013-05-26 07:14:08 PM  
Because having a history of criminal violence would have no bearing on or indication of his behavior that evening.
 
2013-05-26 07:14:21 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.



Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth
 
2013-05-26 07:14:26 PM  

tyrajam: PLEASE NOTE:
1. Zimmerman was not told by the police not to follow Martin. He was told by a non-LEO operator "we don't need you to do that".

Please carry on.


It doesn't matter, because according to Zimmerman's fan club, he didn't keep pursuing Martin. And Martin, being a purple drank chuggin' thug (not racist) who was a burglar (despite no evidence of that - again, not racist) approached and confronted Zimmerman even after telling his girlfriend he was trying to get away from Zimmerman, because you know how violent THOSE people are. Not racist.
 
2013-05-26 07:15:02 PM  

Tatsuma: Actually that's false, he had both sprite (well, a variant, it was not iced tea, as reported) and he had skittles (doesn't just have to be Jolly Ranchers) and he has documented discussion about using codeine and drinking purple drank.

Doesn't mean he was high on the night, more likely he went to buy what he needed and was going back home to get high on some sizzurp.


You're making a broad assumptions about what he was going to do with Skittles and Arizona brand Watermelon Punch. Even if Trayvon was going to make "lean" with it, it has nothing to do with what happened, nor does it justify shooting him. Also, if you noticed the rest of my post, "sizzurp" makes you sleepy and giddy, not aggressive. If Martin was actually on "drank" at the time, he would have been too f*cked up to assault anyone, much less run away from them or have a lucid cell phone conversation with his girlfriend.
 
2013-05-26 07:15:05 PM  
Sadly, it was enviable that Trayvon was going to end his life at the end of a gun - it is just a question of when/how it was going to happen.
 
2013-05-26 07:15:05 PM  

OnlyM3: Because having a history of criminal violence would have no bearing on or indication of his behavior that evening.


I disagree.  Zimmerman had turned to violence before, so it stands to reason he would do so again.
 
2013-05-26 07:15:20 PM  

OnlyM3: Because having a history of criminal violence would have no bearing on or indication of his behavior that evening.


Which one are we talking about?
 
2013-05-26 07:15:37 PM  

OnlyM3: Because having a history of criminal violence would have no bearing on or indication of his behavior that evening.


Yes, that's what Zimmerman's fanclub seems to be arguing.
 
2013-05-26 07:15:42 PM  

ChaosStar: You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.


1) Zimmerman has no witnesses to altercation we do not know who approached who or what was really said

2) You ignore the fact that by Zimmerman chasing Martin for no legal reason after Martin fled from him can be construed as assault under FL law - runnig away indicates fear of harm- so yes Zimmerman did do something to him

3) that actually is a reasonable question to ask someone chasing you for no legal reason

4) Zimmerman should have told him why he had chased him, this possibly would have led Martin not ot fear for his safety

 5) If I confronted someone who was chasing me for no legal reason and they reached into their pocket I would take that as a lethal threat (you know like the cops do) and do everything in my power to neutralize that threat since I feel my life is in danger

Did the persecution hire you to help them make their case?  because you are doing  an awesome job doing so
 
2013-05-26 07:15:42 PM  
How is this even being allowed.  No judge in their right mind would allowed a "She was wearing a short dress" defense in a rape trial.  This is no different.
 
2013-05-26 07:15:43 PM  

ChaosStar: You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.


or unless you are a jerk.

you looking at me?  you looking at ME???
 
2013-05-26 07:16:25 PM  

ChaosStar: Except /all/ the evidence backs it up.

Quietwalker
- (1) The physical evidence available to police confirms the story
- (2) The electronic (cell phone), information available to police confirms the story
- (3) The actual eye witnesses corroborate the story
- (4) The medical evidence (both Zimmerman's wounds, and the coroner's report) confirm the story
- (5) After several hours of interrogation, police believed his story


None of that actually confirms anything Zimmerman said; it doesn't contradict it, but it leaves plenty of space for alternative events to have happened. Self defense is an affirmative defense, its not simply a matter of introducing reasonable doubt.
 
2013-05-26 07:16:45 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Giant Clown Shoe: Your Average Witty Fark User: As far as I'm concerned, this is the only thing that matters to me. Zimmerman was told to stand down.

I think it's unlikely that will be any part of any jury instruction.  So, literally, your opinion doesn't matter.

Neither does yours. So why bother?


Plenty of the things discussed in this thread are relevant and will come up at the trial.... just not th "only thing that matters" to you.

So... that's why.
 
2013-05-26 07:17:36 PM  

gimmegimme: ChaosStar: gimmegimme: ChaosStar: "Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

Zimmerman said...Zimmerman said...Zimmerman said...

And "Do you have a problem?" is EXACTLY what people would ask if they were being pursued.

"Do you have a problem?" is something you, and someone like Martin would say if you were being followed. Normal, rational people, might ask "why are you following me?" instead of trying to be an aggressive thug. This is exactly why the online material is credible evidence in the trial, it goes to show the type of person Martin was, the type that would punch first, ask questions later.

HAHAHAHAHA!  Now you're justifying the death of a 17-year-old by impugning what he asked of the armed man who was following him, even when he left the sidewalk to try and get away.

You're right.  Martin had the obligation to bow and ask, "Dear Sir, I mean no disrespect; I couldn't help but notice you have been following me around for several moments and this has caused me some concern.  If it's not too much of an imposition, may I please ask if we have any business to discuss that I don't know about?  Thank you in advance."


Now you're just showing you're a troll arguing just to argue.
I wish I could punctuate every single word of my next sentence with the smack of a bat to your head so maybe you would remember it.
Martin approached Zimmerman after Zimmerman lost him, meaning Martin was not trying to get away, he had gotten away.
 
2013-05-26 07:17:40 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: So when trying to establish whether he was assaulted or not, it's irrelevant to present information specifically about Martin's character when it comes to violence, crime and drug abuse? That's racist?

Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...


George Zimmerman was a fully licensed 220 General Lines Insurance Agent, which requires a full and thorough civil AND criminal background check. Wonder how Martin would have fared, at age 18, when the authorities went looking into his background for the same check..  BTW, just type FL Insurance agent search into your googlers, and use Zimmerman's name, and you WILL see him.  It's no small thing, that background check, so chill your farked chickens and understand theat Zimmerman had very good character.
 
2013-05-26 07:17:49 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.


What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!
 
2013-05-26 07:17:49 PM  
FuryOfFirestorm: How the media guessed at George's version of events have changed multiple times.

ftfy.

unless you have different versions of a police report with George's differing versions.
 
2013-05-26 07:18:37 PM  

gblive: Sadly, it was enviable that Trayvon was going to end his life at the end of a gun - it is just a question of when/how it was going to happen.


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2013-05-26 07:18:57 PM  

AngryDragon: ChaosStar: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.

I find the highlighted part above the interesting bit.


That just means the police are racist too.

/everybody knows that
 
2013-05-26 07:19:05 PM  

gblive: Sadly, it was enviable that Trayvon was going to end his life at the end of a gun - it is just a question of when/how it was going to happen.


I believe the word you were looking for was "inevitable". Or possibly "inconceivable", since you seem to be dense.
 
2013-05-26 07:19:48 PM  

Elegy: seadoo2006: IlGreven: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

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i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.

...even if you're a cop, that's the sort of shiat that would get you thrown off the force in a sane world (and even a few weeks paid leave in this insane one), unless you had ironclad absolute proof that he was an immediate threat to anyone else. Zimmerman doesn't even have proof that Martin started the final altercation that got him killed.

Really? Because around here, if you're walking your dog after 11pm, or if you look 'young' and are out after 11pm (curfew), you can expect to be stopped, identified, and questioned as to your reason for being out.  If you don't have a valid reason for breaking curfew, you get a trip home and a summons to juvie court.  I'm 25 and have been stopped several times by the unmarked Cleveland Heights beat cop Grand Marquis'.

I'd say in MOST communities, youths that are walking around at night are going to be assigned a suspicious label and questioned.  I would expect no less from my local police department.  But, see, our PD bans kids from our business districts after 6pm, so I appreciate their ...


I live 2 miles from the Cedar Lee business district and I had no idea about this what-so-ever.
 
2013-05-26 07:19:54 PM  

gblive: Sadly, it was enviable

Inevitable   that TrayvonZimmermanwas going to end his someones life at the end of a gun - it is just a question of when/how or who it was going to happen to.

There fixed it for you
 
2013-05-26 07:20:17 PM  

ChaosStar: gimmegimme: ChaosStar: gimmegimme: ChaosStar: "Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

Zimmerman said...Zimmerman said...Zimmerman said...

And "Do you have a problem?" is EXACTLY what people would ask if they were being pursued.

"Do you have a problem?" is something you, and someone like Martin would say if you were being followed. Normal, rational people, might ask "why are you following me?" instead of trying to be an aggressive thug. This is exactly why the online material is credible evidence in the trial, it goes to show the type of person Martin was, the type that would punch first, ask questions later.

HAHAHAHAHA!  Now you're justifying the death of a 17-year-old by impugning what he asked of the armed man who was following him, even when he left the sidewalk to try and get away.

You're right.  Martin had the obligation to bow and ask, "Dear Sir, I mean no disrespect; I couldn't help but notice you have been following me around for several moments and this has caused me some concern.  If it's not too much of an imposition, may I please ask if we have any business to discuss that I don't know about?  Thank you in advance."

Now you're just showing you're a troll arguing just to argue.
I wish I could punctuate every single word of my next sentence with the smack of a bat to your head so maybe you would remember it.
Martin approached Zimmerman after Zimmerman lost him, meaning Martin was not trying to get away, he had gotten away.


Goodness!  You can't find politer rhetoric to communicate that idea?  I like to think you're a normal, rational person instead of trying to be an aggressive thug.
 
2013-05-26 07:20:21 PM  

bugontherug: AngryDragon: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.

Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Try an experiment. Get a nice, soft pad, maybe a pillow, and a friend.

Lay flat on your back, and have your friend straddle you at the waist. Then have him try to "slam" your head back into the soft padding. Remind him that he's not allowed to pull your hair, because Zimmerman's head was shaved.

Without a very great difference in strength, I doubt it's even possible to slam someone's head into the ground if he offers resistance. Especially not from the position described.

And what exactly was Trayvon holding onto?


Mayhaps the front of Zimmerman's jacket?
 
2013-05-26 07:20:31 PM  
FloridaFarkTag:

A dispatcher is not a law enforcement officer in Seminole County.....they cannot order you to not do something. A dispatcher could be prosecuted and sent to prison if they mislead that they are law enforcement and they are not

Can be sent to prison for telling a nutter to simmer down.. can not be sent to prison for hunting human game with a gun

I see your viewpoint. i find it strange.
 
2013-05-26 07:21:09 PM  
ChaosStar:

"Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

Again, we *only* have Zimmerman's word for that, backed up with zero evidence.

Except /all/ the evidence backs it up.


I defy you to find any evidence known to the public up to now that would in any way confirm any part of this assertion of Zimmerman's.
 
2013-05-26 07:21:23 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: quietwalker:
- (1) The physical evidence available to police confirms the story
  - (2) The electronic (cell phone), information available to police confirms the story
  - (3) The actual eye witnesses corroborate the story
  - (4) The medical evidence (both Zimmerman's wounds, and the coroner's report) confirm the story
  - (5) After several hours of interrogation, police believed his story

(1) If Trayvon was on top of Martin when he was shot by Zimmerman, why wasn't GZ covered in Martin's blood? If he was lying down on wet ground when he was getting his head bashed in, why was his jacket clean? If Trayvon covered GZ's mouth with his hand to muffle him, why was there no evidence of Zimmerman's saliva or skin cells found on Martin's hand during the autopsy?

(2) The cell phone conversations haven't proved anything other than that George spotted Martin and pursued him (the 911 call), Trayvon noticed that Zimmerman was following him, and tried to get away (call to Trayvon's girlfriend). The phone records don't confirm who started the confrontation or anything after.

(3) Most of the eyewitnesses have admitted that it was too dark to see anything clear enough to be certain, and some eyewitness reports have been inconsistent with what they said at an earlier time.

(4) The medical evidence shows that Trayvon had no injuries on his body aside from the gunshot and an abrasion on his knuckle. Beating the crap out of someone is going to put some wear and tear on the hands of the assailant.

(5) George's version of events have changed multiple times.


I'm sure that there are some minutia that haven't been explained, and I'm aware people have reported evidence on both sides of the murder/self-defense claims which has been of questionable validity.  However, the summary of all this is that much of the information we have - and you present - is irrelevant, non-conclusive, spurious, or due to imperfections in the filter the information passes through before reaching us (the various media, defendant, victim's family, etc)

The only semi-reliable information we have to go on to make any sort of justifiable decision about whether the killing was lawful or not, is that information officially released by police, and the actions they took in regards to it.

All of that information indicates the belief that Zimmerman's story was accurate, and that it was a lawful killing in self-defense.  Anything else is playing junior CSI with not enough information, and nothing but idle speculation.
 
2013-05-26 07:21:34 PM  

tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!



If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.
 
2013-05-26 07:22:17 PM  

tirob: ChaosStar: tirob:

Is there any evidence of this perceived slight that you mention?  Because all the evidence and purported evidence that you have listed here in your posts are also consistent with Martin's perhaps perceiving that he and/or his father's fiancée's condo unit were in danger from a stranger who was following him for no reason that he could fathom.

"Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

I would give this uncorroborated hearsay from a biased witness a good bit less credibility than you appear to do.  Furthermore, even if this is an accurate reconstruction of the conversation that preceded the fight, it is as consistent with my scenario as it is with yours.


Whether my scenario or yours is correct, Martin is still the aggressor and in the eyes of the law Zimmerman could legally used deadly force if he felt that his life was in danger. When Martin started utilizing the sidewalk as a weapon to the back of Zimmerman's head, Zimmerman had full reason to believe his life may be in danger.
 
2013-05-26 07:22:25 PM  
gimmegimme: A Terrible Human: Why didn't Zimmerman stay the fark in his car like he was told to?

1) You're a liar and you know it. He was not ordered to say in the car
2) 9-1-1 phone monkeys have no authority to give orders.
 
2013-05-26 07:22:43 PM  
Wolf_Blitzer

Self defense is an affirmative defense, its not simply a matter of introducing reasonable doubt.

You are completely wrong when it comes to Florida. See the Montijo case before someone else brings it up for the thousandth time.
 
2013-05-26 07:22:47 PM  

gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.


How did Zimmerman know about the picture?
 
2013-05-26 07:23:21 PM  

ChaosStar: gimmegimme: ChaosStar: gimmegimme: ChaosStar: "Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

Zimmerman said...Zimmerman said...Zimmerman said...

And "Do you have a problem?" is EXACTLY what people would ask if they were being pursued.

"Do you have a problem?" is something you, and someone like Martin would say if you were being followed. Normal, rational people, might ask "why are you following me?" instead of trying to be an aggressive thug. This is exactly why the online material is credible evidence in the trial, it goes to show the type of person Martin was, the type that would punch first, ask questions later.

HAHAHAHAHA!  Now you're justifying the death of a 17-year-old by impugning what he asked of the armed man who was following him, even when he left the sidewalk to try and get away.

You're right.  Martin had the obligation to bow and ask, "Dear Sir, I mean no disrespect; I couldn't help but notice you have been following me around for several moments and this has caused me some concern.  If it's not too much of an imposition, may I please ask if we have any business to discuss that I don't know about?  Thank you in advance."

Now you're just showing you're a troll arguing just to argue.
I wish I could punctuate every single word of my next sentence with the smack of a bat to your head so maybe you would remember it.
Martin approached Zimmerman after Zimmerman lost him, meaning Martin was not trying to get away, he had gotten away.


Except Martin had no reason to do so. At all. It makes precisely ZERO sense that he would circle back after escaping his stalker.

Zimmerman has a documented history of powertripping, anger management issues and violence. Continuing his pursuit after complaining "they always get away" is consistent with that history.

Martin had a history of...being a typical ITG rap fan and smoking pot. Circling back to confront someone who, for all he knew, could have been an undercover cop or a mugger is not consistent with that history.
 
2013-05-26 07:24:24 PM  

gblive: If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.


"Believed to be" by the same right-wing derp brigade that made up the bus driver story. Meaning nothing.
 
2013-05-26 07:24:31 PM  
Another angry black man unavailable for comment.
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-26 07:24:40 PM  

Warlordtrooper: How is this even being allowed.  No judge in their right mind would allowed a "She was wearing a short dress" defense in a rape trial.  This is no different.


Affirmative Defense.

Not exactly a short dress in a rape trial but his defense team will get more latitude in the more probative that prejudicial question. That's why they declined a "Stand Your Ground" hearing.  They wanted this personal information about Martin in... just like his defenders keep using his 8th grade graduation pic.

Forensics appear to back his story as do witnesses to the time line.  It stands to reason if he told the truth about most of his story he did about the attack.  If you didn't angles of entry and distance from impact would prove him a liar.  It doesn't look like he's a liar.

He's walking.
 
2013-05-26 07:24:57 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth


Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.
 
2013-05-26 07:25:45 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: 8th grade graduation pic.


So they should use a picture of Martin from the morgue?
 
2013-05-26 07:26:48 PM  

gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.


If you read some other articles, Trayvon Martin was going home to make purple drank, owning a screwdriver while black is proof that you're a burglar, and Facebook pictures are a more accurate judge of character than documented instances of anger management problems and aggression.
 
2013-05-26 07:28:57 PM  

FTFA

In another, he refers to a fistfight with another boy who "snitched" on him.

Ah so in addition to ...
Vandalism
Possession of stolen goods
violence
Assault of random bus driver
Drug use/sales
Weapons possession

He had a history of jumping people he feels are "snitching". Who was Zim calling again?
Good riddance dirt bag.
 
2013-05-26 07:29:07 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.


Good point.  Hollywood does encourage a lot of people:

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2013-05-26 07:29:08 PM  

OnlyM3: Because having a history of criminal violence would have no bearing on or indication of his behavior that evening.


In most cases that is exactly correct. Evidence which does not directly go to "the truth of the matter asserted" is excluded.  And this makes sense. Just because you're a bad guy doesn't mean you should be killed.  But the "self defense" aspect of the case allows much broader evidence... like a case within a case.

I'll bet the prosecutor wishes he had a way to wriggle away from this.  They don't like losers, especially ones where the national and international media will be reporting ever moment of.
 
2013-05-26 07:29:28 PM  

gimmegimme: Giant Clown Shoe: 8th grade graduation pic.

So they should use a picture of Martin from the morgue?


LOL.

In seriousness, they really shouldn't be using a 4 year old picture. The difference between 13 and 17 is staggering and is clearly meant to portray a very different individual, i.e. a child. Again, I'm not defending Zimmerman AT ALL. As a responsible journalist though, you need to be slightly more responsible than that.
 
2013-05-26 07:29:45 PM  

Azlefty: ChaosStar: You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

1) Zimmerman has no witnesses to altercation we do not know who approached who or what was really said

2) You ignore the fact that by Zimmerman chasing Martin for no legal reason after Martin fled from him can be construed as assault under FL law - runnig away indicates fear of harm- so yes Zimmerman did do something to him

3) that actually is a reasonable question to ask someone chasing you for no legal reason

4) Zimmerman should have told him why he had chased him, this possibly would have led Martin not ot fear for his safety

 5) If I confronted someone who was chasing me for no legal reason and they reached into their pocket I would take that as a lethal threat (you know like the cops do) and do everything in my power to neutralize that threat since I feel my life is in danger

Did the persecution hire you to help them make their case?  because you are doing  an awesome job doing so


1. correct, but the physical evidence pretty much backs up what Zimmerman said, as well as witness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him.
2. There is a difference between chasing and following. Zimmerman clearly had no intention to catch Martin, he was only observing, so no, that is not assault under Florida law.
3. As I stated before, it's a reasonable question if you want to try and act like a intimidating thug instead of a reasonable person.
4. When did Zimmerman have the chance? Martin punched him after two sentences.
5. Then you would be wrong and subject to arrest, or, as the case is here, dead. You are not in reasonable fear for your life just because someone reaches into their pocket.
 
2013-05-26 07:29:59 PM  

gimmegimme: gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

How did Zimmerman know about the picture?


Martin may have shown it to Zimmerman before the altercation started.
You don't know either way.

WTF does it matter.  You are missing the point again.
 
2013-05-26 07:31:24 PM  

gimmegimme: Giant Clown Shoe: 8th grade graduation pic.

So they should use a picture of Martin from the morgue?


How about one when he was 17? Shouldn't be hard to find one in the facebook era.
 
2013-05-26 07:31:37 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

How did Zimmerman know about the picture?

Martin may have shown it to Zimmerman before the altercation started.
You don't know either way.

WTF does it matter.  You are missing the point again.


The point is that you are grasping at straws.  How could the picture of a gun that you mention give Zimmerman a reason to shoot the kid?
 
2013-05-26 07:31:39 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: gblive: If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

"Believed to be" by the same right-wing derp brigade that made up the bus driver story. Meaning nothing.


what do you mean made up the bus driver story?  Has that been disproven?

here is the tweet from Treyvon's brother.
 
2013-05-26 07:32:35 PM  

Unknown_Poltroon: kortex: He acted in self defense.

He attacked a teenager and killed him.


We're all entitled to our opinions.
 
2013-05-26 07:33:19 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Wolf_Blitzer: gblive: If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

"Believed to be" by the same right-wing derp brigade that made up the bus driver story. Meaning nothing.

what do you mean made up the bus driver story?  Has that been disproven?

here is the tweet from Treyvon's brother.


Wow...a tweet is proof of something?
 
2013-05-26 07:33:38 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Wolf_Blitzer: gblive: If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

"Believed to be" by the same right-wing derp brigade that made up the bus driver story. Meaning nothing.

what do you mean made up the bus driver story?  Has that been disproven?

here is the tweet from Treyvon's brother.


I need a team of top DoD scientists to crack that type of communication. Jesus, is that even English?
 
2013-05-26 07:34:09 PM  

kortex: Unknown_Poltroon: kortex: He acted in self defense.

He attacked a teenager and killed him.

We're all entitled to our opinions.


Except for Martin.
 
2013-05-26 07:34:31 PM  

gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

How did Zimmerman know about the picture?

Martin may have shown it to Zimmerman before the altercation started.
You don't know either way.

WTF does it matter.  You are missing the point again.

The point is that you are grasping at straws.  How could the picture of a gun that you mention give Zimmerman a reason to shoot the kid?


You are missing the point of this thread.
The defense is looking to introduce things that will raise a reasonable doubt in the jury.
 
2013-05-26 07:35:08 PM  

gimmegimme: Giant Clown Shoe: 8th grade graduation pic.

So they should use a picture of Martin from the morgue?


I guess we know which side of things you come down on?

No but they should use the most recent photos available to most accurately represent him.  It doesn't do any good to be hyperbolic with pics of the young man.  The real pic's will be presented at trial.  And even if you tried to elicit sympathy from the jury pool once they see a broader spectrum of the real young man the "baby picture" strategy could backfire.
 
2013-05-26 07:36:34 PM  

gimmegimme: kortex: I donated to Zimmerman's defense fund. Why? He acted in self defense. He was afraid for his life. It comes as no surprise that lil Trayvon was a drug making gangster wanna be. He thought he would show how gangster he was an beat up somebody. Well, he beat up the wrong guy. Serves the little shiathead right. I hope Zimmerman is found not guilty of all charges.

Or you're psychic.


I know it may appear to you that I'm trolling, but that is the way I feel.  Everyone is in uproar because it's white on black.  I see it as two people.  A stupid man followed a stupid kid and the kid ended up attacking the man.  It was not right to follow the kid, but it was more wrong for the kid to attack the man.  The man was afraid for his life and shot the kid dead.  To me, even though the man was following the kid, the man is still in the right.  I can follow whoever I want, but I certainly can not attack whoever I want.  Make sense?  Probably not to you.
 
2013-05-26 07:37:09 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.




Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems
 
2013-05-26 07:38:05 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: gimmegimme: Giant Clown Shoe: 8th grade graduation pic.

So they should use a picture of Martin from the morgue?

I guess we know which side of things you come down on?

No but they should use the most recent photos available to most accurately represent him.  It doesn't do any good to be hyperbolic with pics of the young man.  The real pic's will be presented at trial.  And even if you tried to elicit sympathy from the jury pool once they see a broader spectrum of the real young man the "baby picture" strategy could backfire.


This is really the only part of the story I don't feel snarky about.  What if the family didn't have a school picture of him that was more recent?  I know I didn't have school pictures around his age.  Let's say ZImmerman dressed up as Rambo for Halloween.  I wouldn't want that picture used in the news, either.

tenpoundsofcheese: You are missing the point of this thread.
The defense is looking to introduce things that will raise a reasonable doubt in the jury.


How would a picture of a gun have helped Martin against the real gun that killed him?
 
2013-05-26 07:38:24 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: ChaosStar: Except /all/ the evidence backs it up.

Quietwalker
- (1) The physical evidence available to police confirms the story
- (2) The electronic (cell phone), information available to police confirms the story
- (3) The actual eye witnesses corroborate the story
- (4) The medical evidence (both Zimmerman's wounds, and the coroner's report) confirm the story
- (5) After several hours of interrogation, police believed his story

None of that actually confirms anything Zimmerman said; it doesn't contradict it, but it leaves plenty of space for alternative events to have happened. Self defense is an affirmative defense, its not simply a matter of introducing reasonable doubt.


Agreed, there may have been an alternate series of events, and as you say, he must prove his series of events occurred, not just rely on lack of evidence for alternate events.

To disagree with you though, everything that the police indicated they considered does confirm everything Zimmerman said.  They could find no contradictions, as you pointed out, and further, where evidence would exist, it did.  So strongly did this evidence support his side that the police didn't even arrest him.  It wasn't until a politically motivated individual tried to ride a wave of public resentment well after the situation had passed that he was even charged.

I believe that when this goes to trial, he'll be acquitted.  I see scant justification for any other outcome.
 
2013-05-26 07:38:29 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Wolf_Blitzer: gblive: If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

"Believed to be" by the same right-wing derp brigade that made up the bus driver story. Meaning nothing.

what do you mean made up the bus driver story?  Has that been disproven?

here is the tweet from Treyvon's brother.


Thats all there is, the tweet. If Martin had actually assaulted a bus driver, he would certainly have been punished for it; suspended it or more likely expelled, and probably arrested. That didn't happen: his suspensions were for tardiness, graffitti and possessing a marijuana pipe. And the kid didn't have a juvenile arrest record.
 
2013-05-26 07:38:33 PM  

OnlyM3: FTFA
In another, he refers to a fistfight with another boy who "snitched" on him.
Ah so in addition to ...
Vandalism
Possession of stolen goods
violence
Assault of random bus driver
Drug use/sales
Weapons possession

He had a history of jumping people he feels are "snitching". Who was Zim calling again?
Good riddance dirt bag.


Martin had no criminal record. There is no proof that anything you said happened except for him being suspended from school for having a baggie that smelled like pot.
 
2013-05-26 07:38:42 PM  

OnlyM3: Vandalism
Possession of stolen goods
violence
Assault of random bus driver
Drug use/sales
Weapons possession


From Wikipedia: The jewelry was impounded and given to the police, but no evidence ever surfaced to indicate that the jewelry was stolen. Martin's third suspension involved a marijuana pipe, and an empty bag containing marijuana residue. Martin was not charged with any crime related to these incidents and did not have a juvenile record.[45][46][47][48][49]

Unless you can provide proof of these so-called "assaults" and "weapon possession" (a picture of a gun on his cell phone doesn't count as evidence, especially since we don't see who is holding the weapon), then STFU and quit pulling bullsh*t out of your ass.
 
2013-05-26 07:38:49 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.

Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems


Getting shot when they're unarmed?
 
2013-05-26 07:38:50 PM  

ChaosStar: tirob: ChaosStar: tirob:

Is there any evidence of this perceived slight that you mention?  Because all the evidence and purported evidence that you have listed here in your posts are also consistent with Martin's perhaps perceiving that he and/or his father's fiancée's condo unit were in danger from a stranger who was following him for no reason that he could fathom.

"Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

I would give this uncorroborated hearsay from a biased witness a good bit less credibility than you appear to do.  Furthermore, even if this is an accurate reconstruction of the conversation that preceded the fight, it is as consistent with my scenario as it is with yours.

Whether my scenario or yours is correct, Martin is still the aggressor and in the eyes of the law Zimmerman could legally used deadly force if he felt that his life was in danger. When Martin started utilizing the sidewalk as a weapon to the back of Zimmerman's head, Zimmerman had full reason to believe his life may be in danger.


Well, no, that's not exactly how the Florida justifiable use of force statute works, but the fact remains that under that statute, even if Zimmerman was the aggressor he would have had the right to use deadly force if he reasonably believed that Martin was endangering his life.  We do not know for sure, however, whether Martin pounded Zimmerman's head into the pavement (no eyewitness other than Zimmerman has asserted this, AFAIK) or whether the injuries on the back of Zimmerman's head arose from some other cause; furthermore, even assuming that Martin pounded Zimmerman's head into the pavement one or more times, we do not know that he was still doing so when he was shot, or whether Zimmerman reasonably feared for his life when he pulled his gun.
 
2013-05-26 07:39:09 PM  

Shirley Ujest: special20: My money is on Zimmerman eating a bullet in a few years.

He should be housed with Jodi Arias.


Youre going to reward him with anal sex with a hot chick???
 
2013-05-26 07:39:24 PM  

ChaosStar: tirob: ChaosStar: tirob:

Is there any evidence of this perceived slight that you mention?  Because all the evidence and purported evidence that you have listed here in your posts are also consistent with Martin's perhaps perceiving that he and/or his father's fiancée's condo unit were in danger from a stranger who was following him for no reason that he could fathom.

"Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

I would give this uncorroborated hearsay from a biased witness a good bit less credibility than you appear to do.  Furthermore, even if this is an accurate reconstruction of the conversation that preceded the fight, it is as consistent with my scenario as it is with yours.

Whether my scenario or yours is correct, Martin is still the aggressor and in the eyes of the law Zimmerman could legally used deadly force if he felt that his life was in danger. When Martin started utilizing the sidewalk as a weapon to the back of Zimmerman's head, Zimmerman had full reason to believe his life may be in danger.


it comes down to this

An Armed Adult, was stalking an unarmed minor

and the minor ended up dead

then the police let his body sit in the morgue for 3 days as a "Jhon Doe"(note his was a John doe who was carrying ID and cellphone) ,until his mother filled a missing persons

The police in this area have a vested intrest in supporting zimmermans side of the story, being they commented a ton of documented wrong doing in the handling of this case before it came to attention of the general public
 
2013-05-26 07:39:46 PM  
Zimmerman will be acquited and the darkies will go ape-shiat in Sanford.

The end.
 
2013-05-26 07:40:20 PM  

gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

How did Zimmerman know about the picture?

Martin may have shown it to Zimmerman before the altercation started.
You don't know either way.

WTF does it matter.  You are missing the point again.

The point is that you are grasping at straws.  How could the picture of a gun that you mention give Zimmerman a reason to shoot the kid?


Holy.Farking.Crap. The "reason" he shot Trayvon was because Martin came back and attacked him and was bashing his head into the cement. The defense showing that Martin was trying to illegally buy a gun and used drugs is just to blow holes in the prosecutions attempts to show that Martin was an innocent little child. In the end it doesn't matter. Martin attacked Zimmerman and was shot. It's sad, but not overly complicated.
 
2013-05-26 07:40:32 PM  

gimmegimme: kortex: Unknown_Poltroon: kortex: He acted in self defense.

He attacked a teenager and killed him.

We're all entitled to our opinions.

Except for Martin.


He gave his opinion.  He thought it was smart to attack someone else.  Unfortunately, for the world (because we have to hear about it forever), he was up dead wrong.
 
2013-05-26 07:41:29 PM  
LordJiro: Except Martin had no reason to do so. At all. It makes precisely ZERO sense that he would circle back after escaping his stalker.
Zimmerman has a documented history of powertripping, anger management issues and violence. Continuing his pursuit after complaining "they always get away" is consistent with that history.
Martin had a history of...being a typical ITG rap fan and smoking pot. Circling back to confront someone who, for all he knew, could have been an undercover cop or a mugger is not consistent with that history.

Martin would have reason to do so if he felt like he had to prove something or that he was an alpha personality thug.
Said it before, will say it again, when he was told him following Martin wasn't needed he stopped. You can hear it in the tapes.
 
2013-05-26 07:41:49 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: Wolf_Blitzer: gblive: If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

"Believed to be" by the same right-wing derp brigade that made up the bus driver story. Meaning nothing.

what do you mean made up the bus driver story?  Has that been disproven?

here is the tweet from Treyvon's brother.

Thats all there is, the tweet. If Martin had actually assaulted a bus driver, he would certainly have been punished for it; suspended it or more likely expelled, and probably arrested. That didn't happen: his suspensions were for tardiness, graffitti and possessing a marijuana pipe. And the kid didn't have a juvenile arrest record.


Hmmm...I don't have any tweets to back me up, but I do have a different kind of Internet certification to prove that I had a torrid love affair with Kristen Bell.

imageshack.us

I totally made sweet, sweet love to Kristen Bell, right tenpounds?
 
2013-05-26 07:43:01 PM  

tyrajam: gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

How did Zimmerman know about the picture?

Martin may have shown it to Zimmerman before the altercation started.
You don't know either way.

WTF does it matter.  You are missing the point again.

The point is that you are grasping at straws.  How could the picture of a gun that you mention give Zimmerman a reason to shoot the kid?

Holy.Farking.Crap. The "reason" he shot Trayvon was because Martin came back and attacked him and was bashing his head into the cement. The defense showing that Martin was trying to illegally buy a gun and used drugs is just to blow holes in the prosecutions attempts to show that Martin was an innocent little child. In the end it doesn't matter. Martin attacked Zimmerman and was shot. It's sad, but not overly complicated.


Hmmm...if Zimmerman had his "head bashed into the cement," surely he was in the hospital for quite some time, right?
 
2013-05-26 07:43:34 PM  

quietwalker: To disagree with you though, everything that the police indicated they considered does confirm everything Zimmerman said. They could find no contradictions, as you pointed out, and further, where evidence would exist, it did. So strongly did this evidence support his side that the police didn't even arrest him. It wasn't until a politically motivated individual tried to ride a wave of public resentment well after the situation had passed that he was even charged.

I believe that when this goes to trial, he'll be acquitted. I see scant justification for any other outcome.


The initial investigator wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter. My feeling is thats the most likely result here, Zimmerman will be found not guilty of murder but convicted of some variant of manslaughter, he'll do some time, and most people won't be happy. I'll be satisfied; from what I've read I think murder is a stretch but manslaugher is almost a given.
 
2013-05-26 07:43:56 PM  

quietwalker: To disagree with you though, everything that the police indicated they considered does confirm everything Zimmerman said.  They could find no contradictions, as you pointed out, and further, where evidence would exist, it did.  So strongly did this evidence support his side that the police didn't even arrest him.  It wasn't until a politically motivated individual tried to ride a wave of public resentment well after the situation had passed that he was even charged.


*AHEM*

During a bond hearing on April 20, 2012, Investigator Dale Gilbreath testified under oath that he did not know whether Zimmerman or Martin started the fight and that there is no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claim that he was walking back to his vehicle when Martin confronted him. Gilbreath, however, questioned Zimmerman's statement that Martin was slamming his head against the sidewalk just before he shot the teenager, saying it was "not consistent with the evidence we found."[204][205][206] Gilbreath was one of two investigators who attested to the facts stated in the probable cause affidavit.

Now you're talking as if you know everything happened exactly as Zimmerman says it is, which means you're just trolling.
 
2013-05-26 07:44:16 PM  

kortex: I know it may appear to you that I'm trolling, but that is the way I feel. Everyone is in uproar because it's white on black.


Is the narrative now that since Zimmerman is a Hispanic individual that it is white on black crime?
Why is it not hispanic on black?
 
2013-05-26 07:44:37 PM  
Has anyone figured out which of these Zimmerman-cheering alts is 9beers? I'm off my game today.
 
2013-05-26 07:44:53 PM  
What have I learned?

Don't take Skittles to a gun fight.
 
2013-05-26 07:45:26 PM  
kortex

I know it may appear to you that I'm trolling, but that is the way I feel. Everyone is in uproar because it's white on black.

Except not. Zimmerman is as white as Obama...he has one white parent.
 
2013-05-26 07:46:27 PM  

Vectron: What have I learned?

Don't take Skittles to a gun fight.


If you get in a fight, make sure the other person is dead and a minority.
 
2013-05-26 07:47:02 PM  

gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.

Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems

Getting shot when they're unarmed?




No. Martin most likey thought he was being "disrespected" by Zimmerman. He figured he would teach that honky a lesson. Expect he got taught not to attack people. Maybe other blacks will see this and learn crime doesn't pay.
 
2013-05-26 07:47:26 PM  

ongbok: AirForceVet: I think the Zimmerman defense team should have gone for a plea deal.

If some strange man came up to me when I was 17 in the middle of a Florida night and demanded why I was in my neighborhood, I'd have told him to fark off. If he touched me, I'd have kicked his ass too.

The only time something like that happened to me as a teen in Florida, the strange man had a wool cap over his head with eye holes cut into it, holding what appeared to be a small calibar semi-automatic handgun. I just lost $3 that night to the asshat. Called the cops but they couldn't find him, even with a K-9.

/Maybe Zimmerman should have had his gun out.
//Martin would have seen the reall threat that was hidden until too late.

Anybody with a half of brain would do the same thing and would tell their kids to do the same. If they claim they wouldn't, they are full of shiat.


I used to get accosted by overzealous neighborhood watch people in my neighborhood all the time when I was a teen.  At no point did I ever even remotely consider starting a physical altercation over it.  Would definitely have just ran.

Violence would only lead to a worse situation for everybody involved.  As mr Martin learned the hard way.
 
2013-05-26 07:47:36 PM  

j0e_average: Zimmerman will be acquited and the darkies will go ape-shiat in Sanford.

The end.


Great use of the hyphen after "ape."

Why do people think race is involved in the shooting or the reaction to it?
 
2013-05-26 07:47:52 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: kortex

I know it may appear to you that I'm trolling, but that is the way I feel. Everyone is in uproar because it's white on black.

Except not. Zimmerman is as white as Obama...he has one white parent.


He is part hispanic, under most metrics that is with in the heading of "White"

but putting that aside, its not like the Black and Hispanic communities are know for unity
 
2013-05-26 07:48:40 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.

Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems

Getting shot when they're unarmed?

No. Martin most likey thought he was being "disrespected" by Zimmerman. He figured he would teach that honky a lesson. Expect he got taught not to attack people. Maybe other blacks will see this and learn crime doesn't pay.


You're really good at reading the minds of dead people.  Can you ask my grandma where my car keys are?

And don't you mean "blah people?"
 
2013-05-26 07:49:07 PM  

LordJiro: MJMaloney187: mr intrepid: duffblue: gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: MJMaloney187: Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...

No, it has yet to be allowed

Some of it will be allowed. This judge will be overturned on appeal if evidence is not allowed and Zimmerman is convicted....esp any evidence showing TM stoned around the time of incident, pot use, and any time the prosecutors spew the "Trayvon was a 14 yr old honor student" BS

It is obvious that the prosecution is in trouble.... they want all the negative Trayvon evidence excluded....you can't lynch an innocent man if you are caught cold busted lying

Just wonder how much of their ghetto the Black Racists gonna burn when they can't lynch Zimmerman...

Ted Nugent isn't black...

You probably aren't old enough to remember the Rodney king riots

The "negative Trayon evidence" might be considered largely irrelevant.  Zimmerman didn't know anything about him, except what happened that night.  And the fact that he lost a fight might serve as a motive for his pursuit and shooting.

You slam the back of my head into the ground, you die. Period. I would rather go to jail if the alternatives are death or mental retardation.

Take your head out of your arse for a second and pretend Zimmerman is your grandfather. What would you want your grandfather to do? That punk lived like a gangster and he died like a gangster. BET ought to give Zimmerman a medal for keeping the brand alive.

bugontherug: AngryDragon: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.

Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Try an experiment. Get a nice, soft pad, maybe a pillow, and a friend.

Lay flat on your back, and have your friend straddle you at the waist. Then have him try to "slam" your head back into the soft padding. Remind him that he's not allowed to pull your hair, because Zimmerman's head was shaved.

Without a very great difference in strength, I doubt it's even possible to slam someone's head into the ground if he offers resistance. Especially not from the position described.

And what exactly was Trayvon holding onto?


Zimms dumbo like ears?
 
2013-05-26 07:50:40 PM  

gimmegimme: tyrajam: gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

How did Zimmerman know about the picture?

Martin may have shown it to Zimmerman before the altercation started.
You don't know either way.

WTF does it matter.  You are missing the point again.

The point is that you are grasping at straws.  How could the picture of a gun that you mention give Zimmerman a reason to shoot the kid?

Holy.Farking.Crap. The "reason" he shot Trayvon was because Martin came back and attacked him and was bashing his head into the cement. The defense showing that Martin was trying to illegally buy a gun and used drugs is just to blow holes in the prosecutions attempts to show that Martin was an innocent little child. In the end it doesn't matter. Martin attacked Zimmerman and was shot. It's sad, but not overly complicated.

Hmmm...if Zimmerman had his "head bashed into the cement," surely he was in the hospital for quite some time, right?


Is your google broke? He was treated and released http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad= r ja&docid=gYd6SG1f3a9KPM&tbnid=ZtF78zeEFOs_TM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjo nathanturley.org%2F2012%2F04%2F20%2Freasonable-doubt-crime-scene-photo s-shows-serious-injury-on-zimmermans-head%2F&ei=gZ-iUf6NEuKsywHruICACA &bvm=bv.47008514,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCNEdGQONkYD70BF9OOa3N_rdwnGcJA&ust=136 9698547203540
 
2013-05-26 07:51:58 PM  

gimmegimme: seadoo2006: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

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i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.

Does that mean I can just walk through your yard anytime, while looking suspicious, and get pissed if anyoen asks me why I'm doing so and if they keep following me after I "try" to leave.  Can I beat up that homeowner for doing so?

Zimmerman didn't own the home.  Your analogy is sillypants.

Besides, you would call 911 and do as you're told.


The 911 operator has no authority to tell you what to do.
 
2013-05-26 07:52:00 PM  
I'm curious is the prosecution will raise the fact that George attended neighborhood watch training sponsored by the Sanford PD. It has previously been reported that he did so, and further that the training in question instructs watchers to not follow or confront suspects. According to George, the two exchanged words while George was sitting in his car, something to the effect of Trayvon asking him what his problem was. And then there's the infamous fact that George left his car to chase after Trayvon. Couple that with the 911 call where George complains that these soandsos always get away. It paints a very clear picture of an angry man acting recklessly.
 
2013-05-26 07:52:26 PM  

Alonjar: overzealous neighborhood watch people


the funny thing is, Zimmerman was not a member of any Neighborhood watch.

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-n ei ghborhood-watch-organization/

and even if he was he violated nearly ever "rule" covering Neighborhood watch groups
 
2013-05-26 07:52:28 PM  

tyrajam: gimmegimme: tyrajam: gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

How did Zimmerman know about the picture?

Martin may have shown it to Zimmerman before the altercation started.
You don't know either way.

WTF does it matter.  You are missing the point again.

The point is that you are grasping at straws.  How could the picture of a gun that you mention give Zimmerman a reason to shoot the kid?

Holy.Farking.Crap. The "reason" he shot Trayvon was because Martin came back and attacked him and was bashing his head into the cement. The defense showing that Martin was trying to illegally buy a gun and used drugs is just to blow holes in the prosecutions attempts to show that Martin was an innocent little child. In the end it doesn't matter. Martin attacked Zimmerman and was shot. It's sad, but not overly complicated.

Hmmm...if Zimmerman had his "head bashed into the cement," surely he was in the hospital for quite some time, right?

Is your google broke? He was treated and released http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad= r ja&docid=gYd6SG1f3a9KPM&tbnid=ZtF78zeEFOs_TM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjo nathanturley.org%2F2012%2F04%2F20%2Freasonable-doubt-crime-scene-photo s-shows-serious-injury-on-zimmermans-head%2F&ei=gZ-iUf6NEuKsywHruICACA &bvm=bv.47008514,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCN ...


"Treated and released"?  Holy shiat, that sounds serious.  How many weeks was he in the hospital?
 
2013-05-26 07:52:53 PM  

gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.

Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems

Getting shot when they're unarmed?

No. Martin most likey thought he was being "disrespected" by Zimmerman. He figured he would teach that honky a lesson. Expect he got taught not to attack people. Maybe other blacks will see this and learn crime doesn't pay.

You're really good at reading the minds of dead people.  Can you ask my grandma where my car keys are?

And don't you mean "blah people?"




Well we do know he backtracked to find Zimmerman. A scared boy doesn't do that. He wanted revenge.
 
2013-05-26 07:53:37 PM  

gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.

Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems

Getting shot when they're unarmed?

No. Martin most likey thought he was being "disrespected" by Zimmerman. He figured he would teach that honky a lesson. Expect he got taught not to attack people. Maybe other blacks will see this and learn crime doesn't pay.

You're really good at reading the minds of dead people.  Can you ask my grandma where my car keys are?

And don't you mean "blah people?"


Can you explain the whole "blah" thing please?
 
2013-05-26 07:53:41 PM  

thenumber5: Alonjar: overzealous neighborhood watch people

the funny thing is, Zimmerman was not a member of any Neighborhood watch.

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-n ei ghborhood-watch-organization/

and even if he was he violated nearly ever "rule" covering Neighborhood watch groups


Zimmerman didn't have time for any rules!  Rules are why "They" always get away!
 
2013-05-26 07:53:42 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: LegacyDL: So by that logic if the kid was a drunk abusive Irish man that beat his wife it would be okay to shoot him as well.

When did text messages become de facto proof that warrants killing people?

Calling yourself "No Limit Ni--a" on twitter don't help either


No Limit is a record label. Perhaps he was a fan?

I guess I should be thankful my twitter handle doesn't reflect my love for old school Dre and Snoop Dogg.
 
2013-05-26 07:54:18 PM  

bugontherug: AngryDragon: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.

Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Try an experiment. Get a nice, soft pad, maybe a pillow, and a friend.

Lay flat on your back, and have your friend straddle you at the waist. Then have him try to "slam" your head back into the soft padding. Remind him that he's not allowed to pull your hair, because Zimmerman's head was shaved.

Without a very great difference in strength, I doubt it's even possible to slam someone's head into the ground if he offers resistance. Especially not from the position described.

And what exactly was Trayvon holding onto?


lol you're a farking moron.  Yes, lay down, and see if you can hold your head up to 130+ lbs of downward force thats already in motion.

I have a physics experiment for you too.  Lay down flat on your back, just as you described, and have your friend firmly place their index finger... and only their index finger.. directly in the center of your forehead.  Try to over power their finger and stand up without having to roll over.

I'll wait here.
 
2013-05-26 07:55:22 PM  

tirob: ChaosStar: tirob: ChaosStar: tirob:

Is there any evidence of this perceived slight that you mention?  Because all the evidence and purported evidence that you have listed here in your posts are also consistent with Martin's perhaps perceiving that he and/or his father's fiancée's condo unit were in danger from a stranger who was following him for no reason that he could fathom.

"Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

I would give this uncorroborated hearsay from a biased witness a good bit less credibility than you appear to do.  Furthermore, even if this is an accurate reconstruction of the conversation that preceded the fight, it is as consistent with my scenario as it is with yours.

Whether my scenario or yours is correct, Martin is still the aggressor and in the eyes of the law Zimmerman could legally used deadly force if he felt that his life was in danger. When Martin started utilizing the sidewalk as a weapon to the back of Zimmerman's head, Zimmerman had full reason to believe his life may be in danger.

Well, no, that's not exactly how the Florida justifiable use of force statute works, but the fact remains that under that statute, even if Zimmerman was the aggressor he would have had the right to use deadly force if he reasonably believed that Martin was endangering his life.  We do not know for sure, however, whether Martin pounded Zimmerman's head into the pavement (no eyewitness other than Zimmerman has asserted this, AFAIK) o ...




You're correct per:
776.041Use of force by aggressor.-The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(2)Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a)Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant

I wasn't trying to dive to far into that though, as I find it pretty clear Zimmerman was attacked.
It's pretty clear that the pavement was used, as there was really no other means for Zimmerman getting those wounds to the back of his head.
 
2013-05-26 07:56:37 PM  

ChaosStar: 1. correct, but the physical evidence pretty much backs up what Zimmerman said, as well as witness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him. 2. There is a difference between chasing and following. Zimmerman clearly had no intention to catch Martin, he was only observing, so no, that is not assault under Florida law. 3. As I stated before, it's a reasonable question if you want to try and act like a intimidating thug instead of a reasonable person. 4. When did Zimmerman have the chance? Martin punched him after two sentences. 5. Then you would be wrong and subject to arrest, or, as the case is here, dead. You are not in reasonable fear for your life just because someone reaches into their pocket.


1) No it only backs up parts of it, all we know for the  physical evidence is that Zimmerman chased Martin, got into a fight with Martin and was losing the fight when he shot Martin

2)  Under Florida law it is illegal to "follow: someone if  that creates fear or apprehension, a clear indicator of fear or apprehension is when the  personflees from you, intent isfurther shownwhen you leave your vehicle to continue to follow them, as forZimmerman intent of not catching him there is no indicationthat true, onlyZimmermanword which is very suspect due to hislying about hisfinancestothe  court

3) I am glad you agree that Martin hadevery right to question Zimmerman as to why he was following him that is something areasonable person would ask a thug.

4) Zimmerman had a Chance toreply when Martinconfronted him, yet he admits to being evasive  by saying hehad no problem

5)  NO I wouldn't under  many states laws including Florida since I could show by Zimmerman's actions that I felt fear of imminent harm.  even here in good old libby lib CA it would be considered justifiable self defense since:

I was being "followed" by a stranger in a car
I was  then "followed" by that person who left their car and continued to "follow" me on foot as I fled from them
Rounding a corner and immediately meeting up with them as I tried to flee them,  I asked what  their problem was and they became evasive by saying they did not have one
Which upon answering they reached into their pocket for an object, which due to their preceding actions made me have reasonable fear that  it was a weapon and I was facing imminent harm

Like I said keep it up you are making the  prosecutions case for them, FYI.
 
2013-05-26 07:56:47 PM  

duffblue: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.

Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems

Getting shot when they're unarmed?

No. Martin most likey thought he was being "disrespected" by Zimmerman. He figured he would teach that honky a lesson. Expect he got taught not to attack people. Maybe other blacks will see this and learn crime doesn't pay.

You're really good at reading the minds of dead people.  Can you ask my grandma where my car keys are?

And don't you mean "blah people?"

Can you explain the whole "blah" thing please?


"Blah people" was coined when Rick Santorum, another non-racist, started to complain that he doesn't want government to make "blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah people's" lives better.  He realized he was saying something racist mid-word and tried to correct.
 
2013-05-26 07:58:48 PM  

gimmegimme: tyrajam: gimmegimme: tyrajam: gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

How did Zimmerman know about the picture?

Martin may have shown it to Zimmerman before the altercation started.
You don't know either way.

WTF does it matter.  You are missing the point again.

The point is that you are grasping at straws.  How could the picture of a gun that you mention give Zimmerman a reason to shoot the kid?

Holy.Farking.Crap. The "reason" he shot Trayvon was because Martin came back and attacked him and was bashing his head into the cement. The defense showing that Martin was trying to illegally buy a gun and used drugs is just to blow holes in the prosecutions attempts to show that Martin was an innocent little child. In the end it doesn't matter. Martin attacked Zimmerman and was shot. It's sad, but not overly complicated.

Hmmm...if Zimmerman had his "head bashed into the cement," surely he was in the hospital for quite some time, right?

Is your google broke? He was treated and released http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad= r ja&docid=gYd6SG1f3a9KPM&tbnid=ZtF78zeEFOs_TM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjo nathanturley.org%2F2012%2F04%2F20%2Freasonable-doubt-crime-scene-photo s-shows-serious-injury-on-zimmermans-head%2F&ei=gZ-iUf6NEuKsywHruICACA &bvm=bv.47008514,d.aWc&ps ...


Yawn. Your trolling has lost its entertainment value. Nobody believes that after your head is split open you should wait for more serious damage to occur before you defend yourself.
 
2013-05-26 07:59:01 PM  

j0e_average: Zimmerman will be acquited and the darkies will go ape-shiat in Sanford.

The end.


yup. Itll be rodney king all ovet again.
 
2013-05-26 07:59:11 PM  

j0e_average: Zimmerman will be acquited and the darkies will go ape-shiat in Sanford.

The end.


Bring the noise, I say.
 
2013-05-26 07:59:55 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Another angry black man unavailable for comment.


Hes innocent. Its all racism
 
2013-05-26 08:00:02 PM  

tyrajam: Yawn. Your trolling has lost its entertainment value. Nobody believes that after your head is split open you should wait for more serious damage to occur before you defend yourself.


And no one believes that if your head is "split open" that a Band-Aid will suffice.
 
2013-05-26 08:01:04 PM  

tyrajam: Is your google broke? He was treated and released


ORLY?

From ABC News.com: The morning after the shooting, on Feb. 27, Zimmerman sought treatment at the offices of a general physician at a family practice near Sanford, Fla. The doctor notes Zimmerman sought an appointment to get legal clearance to return to work.

From the New York Times: According to a report by another officer, Timothy Smith, the police offered Mr. Zimmerman the chance to be taken to hospital at least three times - at the scene, during the ride to the police station and after arriving at the station - and he declined each time.

Zimmerman didn't get treated by a doctor until after he was released, not before.
 
2013-05-26 08:01:30 PM  

gimmegimme: And no one believes that if your head is "split open" that a Band-Aid will suffice.


So wait.  You're saying martin didnt assault zimmerman?
 
2013-05-26 08:01:56 PM  

thenumber5: Alonjar: overzealous neighborhood watch people

the funny thing is, Zimmerman was not a member of any Neighborhood watch.

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-n ei ghborhood-watch-organization/

and even if he was he violated nearly ever "rule" covering Neighborhood watch groups


I know it's impressively difficult to remain so ignorant of something that has been shoved down Farks throat for over a year, but I'll just leave you with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#Background _of_ the_shooting

In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. As the only volunteer, Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival,

Three weeks prior to the shooting, on February 2, 2012, Zimmerman called police to report a young man peering into the windows of an empty Twin Lakes home. Zimmerman was told a police car was on the way and he waited for their arrival. By the time police arrived, the suspect had fled. On February 6, workers witnessed two young black men lingering in the yard of a Twin Lakes resident around the same time her home was burglarized. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. The next day police discovered the stolen laptop in the backpack of a young black man, which led to his arrest. Zimmerman identified this young man as the same person he had spotted peering into windows on February 2.

Zimmerman had been licensed to carry a firearm since November 2009. In response to Zimmerman's multiple reports regarding a loose Although neighborhood watch volunteers are not encouraged to carry weapons, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee acknowledged that Zimmerman had a legal right to carry his firearm on the night of the shooting.
 
2013-05-26 08:02:01 PM  
OK in English this time:

ChaosStar: 1. correct, but the physical evidence pretty much backs up what Zimmerman said, as well as witness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him. 2. There is a difference between chasing and following. Zimmerman clearly had no intention to catch Martin, he was only observing, so no, that is not assault under Florida law. 3. As I stated before, it's a reasonable question if you want to try and act like a intimidating thug instead of a reasonable person. 4. When did Zimmerman have the chance? Martin punched him after two sentences. 5. Then you would be wrong and subject to arrest, or, as the case is here, dead. You are not in reasonable fear for your life just because someone reaches into their pocket.

1) No it only backs up parts of it, all we know for the physical evidence is that Zimmerman chased Martin, got into a fight with Martin and was losing the fight when he shot Martin

2) Under Florida law it is illegal to "follow" someone if that creates fear or apprehension, a clear indicator of fear or apprehension is when the person flees from you, intent is further shown when you leave your vehicle to continue to follow them, as for Zimmermans intent of not catching him there is no indication of that being true, only Zimmermans word which is very suspect due to his lying about his finances to the court

3) I am glad you agree that Martin hadevery right to question Zimmerman as to why he was following him that is something areasonable person would ask a thug.

4) Zimmerman had a Chance toreply when Martinconfronted him, yet he admits to being evasive by saying hehad no problem

5) NO I wouldn't under many states laws including Florida since I could show by Zimmerman's actions that I felt fear of imminent harm. even here in good old libby lib CA it would be considered justifiable self defense since:

I was being "followed" by a stranger in a car
I was then "followed" by that person who left their car and continued to "follow" me on foot as I fled from them
Rounding a corner and immediately meeting up with them as I tried to flee them, I asked what their problem was and they became evasive by saying they did not have one
Which upon answering they reached into their pocket for an object, which due to their preceding actions made me have reasonable fear that it was a weapon and I was facing imminent harm

Like I said keep it up you are making the prosecutions case for them, FYI
 
2013-05-26 08:02:24 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Well we do know he backtracked to find Zimmerman. A scared boy doesn't do that. He wanted revenge.


We know nothing of the sort. The only things that are confirmed by the evidence are that Zimmerman was following Martin, that he lost sight of him, and that some time later a violent confrontation occurred. Beyond that, we have only Zimmerman's word that he wasn't continuing to pursue Martin, and his account is suspect for obvious reasons.
 
2013-05-26 08:03:53 PM  

gimmegimme: duffblue: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.

Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems

Getting shot when they're unarmed?

No. Martin most likey thought he was being "disrespected" by Zimmerman. He figured he would teach that honky a lesson. Expect he got taught not to attack people. Maybe other blacks will see this and learn crime doesn't pay.

You're really good at reading the minds of dead people.  Can you ask my grandma where my car keys are?

And don't you mean "blah people?"

Can you explain the whole "blah" thing please?

"Blah people" was coined when Rick Santorum, another non-racist, started to complain that he doesn't want government to make "blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah people's" lives better.  He realized he was saying something racist mid-word and tried to correct.


I am not sure what he said honestly. Poor choice of words even if he didn't say black people.
 
2013-05-26 08:05:08 PM  

Azlefty: ChaosStar: 1. correct, but the physical evidence pretty much backs up what Zimmerman said, as well as witness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him. 2. There is a difference between chasing and following. Zimmerman clearly had no intention to catch Martin, he was only observing, so no, that is not assault under Florida law. 3. As I stated before, it's a reasonable question if you want to try and act like a intimidating thug instead of a reasonable person. 4. When did Zimmerman have the chance? Martin punched him after two sentences. 5. Then you would be wrong and subject to arrest, or, as the case is here, dead. You are not in reasonable fear for your life just because someone reaches into their pocket.

1) No it only backs up parts of it, all we know for the  physical evidence is that Zimmerman chased Martin, got into a fight with Martin and was losing the fight when he shot Martin

2)  Under Florida law it is illegal to "follow: someone if  that creates fear or apprehension, a clear indicator of fear or apprehension is when the  personflees from you, intent isfurther shownwhen you leave your vehicle to continue to follow them, as forZimmerman intent of not catching him there is no indicationthat true, onlyZimmermanword which is very suspect due to hislying about hisfinancestothe  court

3) I am glad you agree that Martin hadevery right to question Zimmerman as to why he was following him that is something areasonable person would ask a thug.

4) Zimmerman had a Chance toreply when Martinconfronted him, yet he admits to being evasive  by saying hehad no problem

5)  NO I wouldn't under  many states laws including Florida since I could show by Zimmerman's actions that I felt fear of imminent harm.  even here in good old libby lib CA it would be considered justifiable self defense since:

I was being "followed" by a stranger in a car
I was  then "followed" by that person who left their car and continued to "follow" me on foot as I fled from them ...


1. You're a liar
2. You're interpreting the law wrong, as Zimmerman had a legitimate reason to follow Martin.
3. Whatever you say troll
4. So now you expect Zimmerman to explain to a potential robber/assailant his motives when confronted within reaching distance instead of trying to pull out his phone and call the police like he was supposed to? Uh huh.
5. You're forgetting that you approached them, they didn't catch up to you. So you nullified your fear of imminent harm when you purposely walked up to them after they stopped following you.
Thanks for playing
 
2013-05-26 08:06:17 PM  

gimmegimme: tyrajam: Yawn. Your trolling has lost its entertainment value. Nobody believes that after your head is split open you should wait for more serious damage to occur before you defend yourself.

And no one believes that if your head is "split open" that a Band-Aid will suffice.


Wow. I even provided you the link and you still won't read what actually happened. Hint: there are pictures in the link. Google Zimmerman injuries images and  tell me more about how his head was not split. You can lead a horse to water...
 
2013-05-26 08:06:32 PM  

thenumber5: Alonjar: overzealous neighborhood watch people

the funny thing is, Zimmerman was not a member of any Neighborhood watch.

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-n ei ghborhood-watch-organization/

and even if he was he violated nearly ever "rule" covering Neighborhood watch groups


Meh.
Didn't you see the movie "The Watch"?

Besides, you make it sound as if there is a standard set of rules governing all neighborhood watch groups.
 
2013-05-26 08:07:36 PM  
imageshack.us imageshack.us

What somebody who wasn't assaulted might look like.
 
2013-05-26 08:07:42 PM  

MatrixOutsider: The 911 operator has no authority to tell you what to do.


Everyone knows that listening to the 911 Operator and doing what they tell you is for chumps anyway. When my house was on fire, the stupid operator told me to "stop, drop, and roll" when I told her my pants caught fire. Yeah, right - like i'm going to roll on the ground like an idiot and get my designer jeans all dirty! I might have 3rd degree burns all over my butt and genitals now, but at least I showed that stupid ho who's the boss! Stop, drop and roll on my burnt weiner, beeyotch!
 
2013-05-26 08:09:21 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Mid_mo_mad_man: Well we do know he backtracked to find Zimmerman. A scared boy doesn't do that. He wanted revenge.

We know nothing of the sort. The only things that are confirmed by the evidence are that Zimmerman was following Martin, that he lost sight of him, and that some time later a violent confrontation occurred. Beyond that, we have only Zimmerman's word that he wasn't continuing to pursue Martin, and his account is suspect for obvious reasons.




The injuries to Zimmerman indicate he was attacked from behind. So one of two things happened. One Zimmerman was walking away after confronting the thug and was attacked. Or he was ambushed by the boy. Either way the punk got what was coming to him.
 
2013-05-26 08:09:55 PM  
I just find it to be a funny coincidence-- and surely, it's just a coincidence-- that all the people defending Zimmerman also happen to be the same most-likely white macho-type guys who frequent gun threads babbling about Obama takin' their guns and how the MSM doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine.

Just a funny coincidence. Surely, the cracker gun nuts aren't also racists?!?!
 
2013-05-26 08:11:42 PM  

Alonjar: [imageshack.us image 381x510] [imageshack.us image 250x359]

What somebody who wasn't assaulted might look like.


I'd post Martin's photo, but the morgue didn't release it.
 
2013-05-26 08:12:24 PM  

OnlyM3: 1) You're a liar and you know it. He was not ordered to say in the car
2) 9-1-1 phone monkeys have no authority to give orders.


1. That's what I farking remember from an article when all this bullshiat started. Sorry for remembering wrong? Though it seems to have made you very angry.
 
2013-05-26 08:12:54 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: The injuries to Zimmerman indicate he was attacked from behind. So one of two things happened. One Zimmerman was walking away after confronting the thug and was attacked. Or he was ambushed by the boy. Either way the punk got what was coming to him.


A bloody nose means he was attacked from behind? You get that watching CSI?
 
2013-05-26 08:13:11 PM  

Azlefty: OK in English this time:

ChaosStar: 1. correct, but the physical evidence pretty much backs up what Zimmerman said, as well as witness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him. 2. There is a difference between chasing and following. Zimmerman clearly had no intention to catch Martin, he was only observing, so no, that is not assault under Florida law. 3. As I stated before, it's a reasonable question if you want to try and act like a intimidating thug instead of a reasonable person. 4. When did Zimmerman have the chance? Martin punched him after two sentences. 5. Then you would be wrong and subject to arrest, or, as the case is here, dead. You are not in reasonable fear for your life just because someone reaches into their pocket.

1) No it only backs up parts of it, all we know for the physical evidence is that Zimmerman chased Martin, got into a fight with Martin and was losing the fight when he shot Martin

2) Under Florida law it is illegal to "follow" someone if that creates fear or apprehension, a clear indicator of fear or apprehension is when the person flees from you, intent is further shown when you leave your vehicle to continue to follow them, as for Zimmermans intent of not catching him there is no indication of that being true, only Zimmermans word which is very suspect due to his lying about his finances to the court

3) I am glad you agree that Martin hadevery right to question Zimmerman as to why he was following him that is something areasonable person would ask a thug.

4) Zimmerman had a Chance toreply when Martinconfronted him, yet he admits to being evasive by saying hehad no problem

5) NO I wouldn't under many states laws including Florida since I could show by Zimmerman's actions that I felt fear of imminent harm. even here in good old libby lib CA it would be considered justifiable self defense since:

I was being "followed" by a stranger in a car
I was then "followed" by that person who left their car and cont ...


1. You're still lying
2. Zimmerman wasn't chasing Martin, he wasn't running full tilt after him to try and hold him down for the police. He was following, observing, and reporting what he saw to the dispatcher as he suspected Martin of being one of the people that were causing break ins in his neighborhood. There's your indication. This does not break any Florida law, and I challenge you to cite one that it does.
3. You're a tool
4. Yes, because telling Martin he thought he was a hoodlum trying to find a house to break into would really go far to not escalate the situation. Clearly he was trying to be evasive by not straight up telling Martin this and instead answering to the negative.
5. Now you're just making shiat up. Rounding a corner and meeting up with them while fleeing? Zimmerman was going in the opposite direction back to his vehicle, so unless your corner breaks the laws of time and space then you're not going to get away with that one.
 
2013-05-26 08:13:12 PM  

gimmegimme: tyrajam: Yawn. Your trolling has lost its entertainment value. Nobody believes that after your head is split open you should wait for more serious damage to occur before you defend yourself.

And no one believes that if your head is "split open" that a Band-Aid will suffice.


The one big thing I've learned from your rather "interesting" comments is anyone should feel totally safe attacking you, since even if they jump on you and slam your hear into the sidewalk you apparently feel it's impolite to pull a weapon to defend yourself.
 
2013-05-26 08:13:31 PM  

Azlefty: OK in English this time:

ChaosStar: 1. correct, but the physical evidence pretty much backs up what Zimmerman said, as well as witness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him. 2. There is a difference between chasing and following. Zimmerman clearly had no intention to catch Martin, he was only observing, so no, that is not assault under Florida law. 3. As I stated before, it's a reasonable question if you want to try and act like a intimidating thug instead of a reasonable person. 4. When did Zimmerman have the chance? Martin punched him after two sentences. 5. Then you would be wrong and subject to arrest, or, as the case is here, dead. You are not in reasonable fear for your life just because someone reaches into their pocket.

1) No it only backs up parts of it, all we know for the physical evidence is that Zimmerman chased Martin, got into a fight with Martin and was losing the fight when he shot Martin

2) Under Florida law it is illegal to "follow" someone if that creates fear or apprehension, a clear indicator of fear or apprehension is when the person flees from you, intent is further shown when you leave your vehicle to continue to follow them, as for Zimmermans intent of not catching him there is no indication of that being true, only Zimmermans word which is very suspect due to his lying about his finances to the court

3) I am glad you agree that Martin hadevery right to question Zimmerman as to why he was following him that is something areasonable person would ask a thug.

4) Zimmerman had a Chance toreply when Martinconfronted him, yet he admits to being evasive by saying hehad no problem

5) NO I wouldn't under many states laws including Florida since I could show by Zimmerman's actions that I felt fear of imminent harm. even here in good old libby lib CA it would be considered justifiable self defense since:

I was being "followed" by a stranger in a car
I was then "followed" by that person who left their car and continued to "follow" me on foot as I fled from them
Rounding a corner and immediately meeting up with them as I tried to flee them, I asked what their problem was and they became evasive by saying they did not have one
Which upon answering they reached into their pocket for an object, which due to their preceding actions made me have reasonable fear that it was a weapon and I was facing imminent harm

Like I said keep it up you are making the prosecutions case for them, FYI


If you can find even one mention of Florida officials even talking about Zimmerman and assault or stalking, I'd be interested in reading it. Otherwise most of your assertions seem to be a completely incorrect application of a non applicable law.
 
2013-05-26 08:13:43 PM  
ChaosStar: I wasn't trying to dive to far into that though, as I find it pretty clear Zimmerman was attacked.
It's pretty clear that the pavement was used, as there was really no other means for Zimmerman getting those wounds to the back of his head. 

---

1.  Neither of us knows how the fight started, or why.  When you say that you find it clear that Z was attacked, I sense that you are relying on evidence (Z's statements) that I for one would take with a grain of salt.  There is no eyewitness that I know of who can corroborate a single one of Z's assertions on this point.

2.  I'll buy the idea that Zimmerman's head injuries were caused by the pavement, but I have no way of knowing whether Martin pounded Zimmerman's head into the pavement.  I am unaware of any eyewitness who reported seeing this, Zimmerman himself excepted.

3.  Neither of us knows whether Zimmerman pulled his gun because Martin was pounding his head into the pavement, or because he reasonably feared for his life, or for some other reason.  We'll find out, perhaps, at Zimmerman's trial.  Until then, I think that all we're doing is conjecturing.
 
2013-05-26 08:13:46 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Wolf_Blitzer: Mid_mo_mad_man: Well we do know he backtracked to find Zimmerman. A scared boy doesn't do that. He wanted revenge.

We know nothing of the sort. The only things that are confirmed by the evidence are that Zimmerman was following Martin, that he lost sight of him, and that some time later a violent confrontation occurred. Beyond that, we have only Zimmerman's word that he wasn't continuing to pursue Martin, and his account is suspect for obvious reasons.

The injuries to Zimmerman indicate he was attacked from behind. So one of two things happened. One Zimmerman was walking away after confronting the thug and was attacked. Or he was ambushed by the boy. Either way the punk got what was coming to him.


I thought the injuries indicated that Zimmerman got his ass kicked and the back of his head pounded on the cement after he stalked and then accosted Martin with his gun, and Martin stood his ground and tried to defend himself.
 
2013-05-26 08:14:22 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

How did Zimmerman know about the picture?

Martin may have shown it to Zimmerman before the altercation started.
You don't know either way.

WTF does it matter.  You are missing the point again.

The point is that you are grasping at straws.  How could the picture of a gun that you mention give Zimmerman a reason to shoot the kid?

You are missing the point of this thread.
The defense is looking to introduce things that will raise a reasonable doubt in the jury.



One of the primary reasons that Zimmerman will avoid conviction is because the over-zealous state prosecutor charged with him with murder and is unwilling to consider lesser charges. A more appropriate charge would be manslaughter in this case; murder is obviously an 'over-charging'. If you asked me at this point if the state would be able to assemble a reasonable jury that would convict Zimmerman of manslaughter - I would tell you the probability is about 20% IMO (but this is not the charge the state is pursuing).

As more information comes out about this case, it is becoming more & more likely that the state will not be able to find a jury willing to convict Zimmerman on any charges beyond a reasonable doubt. If the state had any common sense, they would drop the case - but they won't due to the media coverage.

Neither party is an angel in this case, but the defense can easily make a case at this point that Trayvon was an individual prone to drug use, criminal activity, and violence - and likely assaulted George Zimmerman the night of the encounter.
 
2013-05-26 08:14:51 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I just find it to be a funny coincidence-- and surely, it's just a coincidence-- that all the people defending Zimmerman also happen to be the same most-likely white macho-type guys who frequent gun threads babbling about Obama takin' their guns and how the MSM doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine.

Just a funny coincidence. Surely, the cracker gun nuts aren't also racists?!?!




Mighty broad brush your painting. While I do own guns I do not back the NRA. I even voted for Obama twice. I just think this is simple self defense. Should not have become a national story
 
2013-05-26 08:15:00 PM  
I honestly don't know why I bother with these threads. Sure, they bring out the racists and crazies, but if I wanted to piss myself off I could go to freerepublic and do it a lot faster.
 
2013-05-26 08:15:59 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I just find it to be a funny coincidence-- and surely, it's just a coincidence-- that all the people defending Zimmerman also happen to be the same most-likely white macho-type guys who frequent gun threads babbling about Obama takin' their guns and how the MSM doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine.

Just a funny coincidence. Surely, the cracker gun nuts aren't also racists?!?!


Are most racists in the habit of defending Hispanics and attacking black... or something?
 
2013-05-26 08:16:44 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: ZeroCorpse: I just find it to be a funny coincidence-- and surely, it's just a coincidence-- that all the people defending Zimmerman also happen to be the same most-likely white macho-type guys who frequent gun threads babbling about Obama takin' their guns and how the MSM doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine.

Just a funny coincidence. Surely, the cracker gun nuts aren't also racists?!?!

Mighty broad brush your painting. While I do own guns I do not back the NRA. I even voted for Obama twice. I just think this is simple self defense. Should not have become a national story


Seconded.
 
2013-05-26 08:16:52 PM  

gblive: One of the primary reasons that Zimmerman will avoid conviction is because the over-zealous state prosecutor charged with him with murder and is unwilling to consider lesser charges. A more appropriate charge would be manslaughter in this case; murder is obviously an 'over-charging'. If you asked me at this point if the state would be able to assemble a reasonable jury that would convict Zimmerman of manslaughter - I would tell you the probability is about 20% IMO (but this is not the charge the state is pursuing).


Florida also did t